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Nr.10 5 augustus 2015 16:00

Russische president aan Turkse dictator: "loop naar de hel"
 
Russian president to Turkish ambassador: "tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorists, I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!"

The Moscow Times--
The Russian president Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and has personally summoned the Turkish ambassador to Moscow, Mr Ümit Yardim, and warned him that the Russian Federation shall sever the diplomatic relations immediately unless the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stops supporting ISIS rebels in Syria, where Russia holds its last navy base in the Mediterranean sea.

BRON
5 aug 2015
De Turkse dictator krijgt de les gespeeld.
Citaat:

"..then tell your dictator president he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorist and I shall make Syria to nothing but a 'Big Stalingrad', for Erdoğan and his Saudi allies are more vicious than Adolf Hitler," replied Vladimir Putin in the 2-hour closed door meeting with Turkish emissary.
Terecht.

Nr.10 5 augustus 2015 16:14

In doing to, Putin has drawn a red line over Syria, after weeks of escalating NATO moves against that beleaguered nation. BRON

Johan Bollen 5 augustus 2015 17:08

Een Russische bron aub voor wat een Russisch president zou gezegd hebben. Dit lijkt me een hoog onwaarschijnlijkheidsgehalte te hebben.

Citaat:

“Tell your dictator Erdogan to go to hell and that unless he stops well established and easily proven support for ISIS, Russia will sever diplomatic relations. We are prepared to turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies and their vicious little gang of Hitlers.

Your little dictator is a hypocrite, attacking the military coup in Egypt while, at the same time, he is trying to overthrow the elected government of Syria. As it stands, China, Iran and Russia will guarantee the survival of Syria.”

Johan Bollen 5 augustus 2015 18:01

Moscow denies reports on summoning Turkish ambassador over ISIS

Citaat:

Moscow has denied media reports that the Russian president “summoned” the Turkish ambassador over Ankara’s alleged support for Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) activities in Syria. These reports are wrong and “do not reflect reality,” the Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov told journalists. The foreign ministers of Russia and Turkey, Sergey Lavrov and Mevlut Cavusoglu, met on Wednesday on the sidelines of the meeting of the top diplomats of the ASEAN member states in Kuala Lumpur, TASS said. They discussed the situation in Syria and “the ways to increase the effectiveness of combating IS,” according to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Wie is er gebaat met verslechterde relaties tussen Rusland en Turkije?

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:16

0,0 Johan.

South stream?

Even bekijken, bizar.
I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!
:roll:

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:25

zonder twijfel relevant:
Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron (Bericht 7762991)
Ondertussen laat de VS onverhoopt weten dat aanvallen van het Syrische leger tegen hun 'VS-rebellen' welke tegen ISIS en het ganse soeplettercircus strijden met vuurwerk door de VS beantwoord zullen worden. Terwijl Amerika's beste vriendje Erdogan af en toe met veel plezier wat Koerden afmaakt (tevens tegen ISIS). Dit en nog meer ongelofelijke onzin:


jpost

US jets to begin striking Syrian forces if they target pro-US rebels
By REUTERS
Sun, 02 Aug 2015, 10:53 PM

US officials have long played down the idea that Assad's forces would turn their sights on the US-backed Syrian rebels, but they cannot rule out the possibility.
:lol:

The United States has decided to allow airstrikes to defend Syrian rebels trained by the US military from any attackers, even if the enemies hail from forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad, US officials said on Sunday.
:lol: x2

The decision by President Barack Obama, which could deepen the US role in Syria's conflict, aims to shield a still-fledging group of Syrian fighters armed and trained by the United States to battle Islamic State militants -- not forces loyal to Assad.
:lol:

But in Syria's messy civil war, Islamic State is only one of the threats to the US recruits (Reuters :roll:). The first batch of US-trained forces deployed to northern Syria came under fire on Friday from other militants, triggering the first known US airstrikes to support them.
:oops: :2gunfire:

US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to confirm details of the decision, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, said the United States would provide offensive strikes to support advances against Islamic State targets.

The United States would also provide defensive support to repel any attackers.

US officials have long played down the idea that Assad's forces - which have not fired on US-led coalition aircraft bombing Islamic State targets in Syria - would turn their sights on the US-backed Syrian rebels. But they cannot rule out the possibility, perhaps in an unintentional clash.

The Pentagon and the White House declined to discuss the decision on rules of engagement or confirm comments by the unnamed US officials.

White House National Security Council spokesman Alistair Baskey said only the US-trained forces were being provided a wide range of support, including "defensive fires support to protect them" and pointed to Friday's US airstrikes as proof.

"We won't get into the specifics of our rules of engagement, but have said all along that we would take the steps necessary to ensure that these forces could successfully carry out their mission," Baskey said.

Pentagon spokeswoman Commander Elissa Smith also declined comment on the rules of engagement, saying only that the US military's program focuses "first and foremost" on combating Islamic State militants.

"We recognize, though, that many of these groups now fight on multiple fronts, including against the Assad regime, (Islamic State) and other terrorists," Smith said.

The US military launched its program in May to train up to 5,400 fighters a year in what was seen as a test of Obama's strategy of getting local partners to combat extremists and keep US troops off the front lines.

The training program has been challenged from the start, with many candidates being declared ineligible and some even dropping out.

Obama's requirement that they target militants from Islamic State has sidelined huge segments of the Syrian opposition focused instead on battling Syrian government forces. The United States has sought to avoid a direct confrontation with Assad.

Once the Syrian rebels have returned to the battlefield, the US recruits and other fighters aligned with them have turned into targets of rival militants.

Al-Qaida's Syria wing is suspected of being behind the attack on Friday against them at a compound in Syria, which was also being used by members of a Western-aligned insurgent group, known as Division 30.

US recruits have hailed from Division 30. Nusra Front last week claimed to have abducted Division 30's leader but US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he had not undergone US training

One of the most powerful insurgent groups in northern Syria, Nusra Front has a record of crushing rebel groups that have received support from Western states, including the Hazzm movement that collapsed earlier this year.

Zo. Het kan dus nog gekker.

Rusland laat Syrie dus NIET vallen?

South Stream opofferen.

Dit is een echte 'rode lijn'. De plannen voor de grensstreek Syrie/Turkije blijken voor Moskou onaanvaardbaar?


Genomen uit de link in de OP:

The Moscow Times--
The Russian president Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and has personally summoned the Turkish ambassador to Moscow, Mr Ümit Yardim, and warned him that the Russian Federation shall sever the diplomatic relations immediately unless the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stops supporting ISIS rebels in Syria, where Russia holds its last navy base in the Mediterranean sea.

The Russian president purportedly went into a long diatribe criticizing the Turkish foreign policy and its malevolent role in Syria, Iraq and Yemen by supporting Saudi-backed al-Qaeda terrorists, reported the Moscow Times, which escalated the conversation with the Turkish ambassador to a fierce polemic.
According to The leaked information obtained by The Moscow Times, the meeting between
the Mr.Purin and Turkish ambassador was imbued with intense mutual resentment where Mr. Yardim has repudiated all Russian accusations, laying blame on Russia for Syria's bitter and protracted civil war. "..then tell your dictator president he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorist and I shall make Syria to nothing but a 'Big Stalingrad' ,for Erdoğan and his Saudi allies are more vicious than Adolf Hitler," replied Vladimir Putin in the 2-hour closed door meeting with Turkish
emissary.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e93_1438774574

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:26

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zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:33

South Stream


Varna, Bulgaria. 18th December, 2014. Bulgarian Rosen Markov protest against the "South Stream" project termination using a toilet in front of Russian consulate in the Black sea town of Varna. Bulgaria has asked Russia for a meeting to receive official confirmation that the South Stream was terminated and to suggest alternatives to restart it, a ministry official representative told on Wednesday. Bulgaria may suggest Russia continue the construction of the offshore part of the pipeline and build a gas distribution station on its territory. © NurPhoto.com/Alamy Live News

?


zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:47

Via welk land gaan onze Syriegangers a la Milket Syrie binnen?

Exactly.

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:53

Even opgesnord, zoals verwacht (vandaag, breaking)...

Natural Gas Europe - Hurriyet: Turkey in Turkish Stream talks with Russia: Minister
A continuing delay in the Turkish Stream energy project stems from factors in both Russia and Turkey, Energy Minister Taner Yıldız said Aug. 4.

“The pipeline project to carry Russian gas to Europe, with Turkey as a transportation hub, was caused because the Russian side was late in delivering the coordinates for the construction route, and because of talks to form a new coalition government in Turkey,” Yıldız said.

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 18:58

Al Manar - Putin to Turkey Envoy: Tell Erdogan He Can Go to Hell along with ISIL Terrorists
Russian President Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and personally summoned Turkish Ambassador to Moscow Ümit Yardim, and warned him that the Russian Federation shall sever the diplomatic relations immediately unless Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stops supporting ISIL terrorists in Syria, where Russia holds its last navy base in the Mediterranean sea, FNA reported.

The AWD news website quoted Moscow Times as reporting that the Russian president purportedly went into a long diatribe criticizing the Turkish foreign policy and its malevolent role in Syria, Iraq and Yemen by supporting Saudi-backed al-Qaeda terrorists, which escalated the conversation with the Turkish ambassador to a fierce polemic.

Also the Republican news website said that according to the leaked information obtained by the Moscow Times, the meeting between Putin and Turkish ambassador was imbued with intense mutual resentment where Yardim repudiated all Russian accusations, laying blame on Russia for Syria's bitter and protracted civil war.

"Tell your dictator president he can go to hell along with his ISIL terrorist and I shall make Syria to nothing but a 'Big Stalingrad', for Erdoğan and his Saudi allies are no vicious than Adolf Hitler," replied Vladimir Putin in the 2-hour closed door meeting with Turkish emissary.

"How hypocrite is your president as he advocates democracy and lambasts the military coup d'état in Egypt," added Putin, "And he simultaneously condones all terrorist activities aimed to overthrow Syrian president."

The Russian president continued by saying that his country won't abandon Syrian legitimate administration and will cooperate with its allies, namely Iran and China, to find a political solution to Syria's interminable civil war which descended the 23-million Arab nation to an utter ethnic and religious anarchy.

Nr.10 5 augustus 2015 21:50

De bron naar waar verwezen wordt is AWD News, waarin AWD staat voor Another Western Dawn.
Deze site zou gekend zijn voor het verspreiden van uitspraken die nooit werden geregistreerd.
Fictieve uitspraken met andere woorden.
De site zou [?] zich ergens in het Midden-Oosten bevinden.
Dubai wordt gemeld [?], maar het kan ook een andere plaats zijn [?].
AWD News heeft ook een youtube kanaal.
Whois meldt volgende informatie: http://www.who.is/whois/awdnews.com
clientTransferProhibited
http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Een hoax met andere woorden.

cato 5 augustus 2015 22:03

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen (Bericht 7766575)
Moscow denies reports on summoning Turkish ambassador over ISIS



Wie is er gebaat met verslechterde relaties tussen Rusland en Turkije?

Het Russische Rijk en het Turkse Rijk ,zijn concurrenten van elkaar ,
met name in Centraal Azië.
Natuurlijk zijn ze niet gebaat bij een slechte relatie,
maar ze kunnen niet allebei de Centraal Aziatische staten binnen hun Rijk halen.

Johan Bollen 5 augustus 2015 22:11

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door cato (Bericht 7766918)
Het Russische Rijk en het Turkse Rijk ,zijn concurrenten van elkaar ,
met name in Centraal Azië.
Natuurlijk zijn ze niet gebaat bij een slechte relatie,
maar ze kunnen niet allebei de Centraal Aziatische staten binnen hun Rijk halen.

Ik zie Turkije nog bij de SCO komen nochtans alhoewel niet direct morgen. Juist door die historische Turkse bevolking in Azië (tot en met China) hoort het meer daar thuis dan bij de EU of de NATO. Maar Turkije zit ook in een unieke positie om broker te spelen tussen oost en West. Ik denk dat dat de weg is die Turkije zal kiezen. Hopelijk stijgt het hen niet te veel naar het hoofd. Ik zie geen NATO schoothondje in Turkije. Die zijn tot meer in staat.

parcifal 5 augustus 2015 22:20

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10 (Bericht 7766379)
Russian president to Turkish ambassador: "tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorists, I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!"

The Moscow Times--
The Russian president Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and has personally summoned the Turkish ambassador to Moscow, Mr Ümit Yardim, and warned him that the Russian Federation shall sever the diplomatic relations immediately unless the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stops supporting ISIS rebels in Syria, where Russia holds its last navy base in the Mediterranean sea.

BRON
5 aug 2015
De Turkse dictator krijgt de les gespeeld.

Terecht.


Oh man, dit is zo grappig. :lol:
Ik weet dat russen geen enkel idee hebben over het verschil tussen de realiteit en de parallelle "realiteit" van de propagandabubbel waarin ze leven, maar dit had je toch zo moeten kunnen doorprikken als je nog een laatste ankerlijn hebt met je gezonde verstand?

Spijt van dat een hoax is zeker? die "terecht" kwam recht uit het hart he?

zonbron 5 augustus 2015 22:47

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 7766945)
Oh man, dit is zo grappig. :lol:
Ik weet dat russen geen enkel idee hebben over het verschil tussen de realiteit en de parallelle "realiteit" van de propagandabubbel waarin ze leven, maar dit had je toch zo moeten kunnen doorprikken als je nog een laatste ankerlijn hebt met je gezonde verstand?

Spijt van dat een hoax is zeker? die "terecht" kwam recht uit het hart he?

OK, mijn beste. Ik begrijp het.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7b8ROscQoA

Een variant op maat voor U gemaakt, @PARCIFAL+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddNfH12ax4

Johan Bollen 5 augustus 2015 23:04

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 7766945)
Oh man, dit is zo grappig. :lol:
Ik weet dat russen geen enkel idee hebben over het verschil tussen de realiteit en de parallelle "realiteit" van de propagandabubbel waarin ze leven, maar dit had je toch zo moeten kunnen doorprikken als je nog een laatste ankerlijn hebt met je gezonde verstand?

Spijt van dat een hoax is zeker? die "terecht" kwam recht uit het hart he?

U vergeet wel even dat Moskou het nodig vond die medialeugens te ontkennen.

zonbron 6 augustus 2015 05:56

Wel...

War on Isis: Turkey to launch 'comprehensive battle' against militants, says foreign minister

The US, Turkey and Russia are discussing the Syria crisis at an international summit in Malaysia - but remain at odds on how to deal with Isis
A
A+
By Adam Withnall

Wednesday 05 August 2015

Turkey’s foreign minister says its air bases have begun hosting US aircraft and drones and that soon it will launch a “comprehensive battle” against Isis militants.

Speaking at the start of a meeting with the American Secretary of State, John Kerry, Mevlut Cavusoglu said there had been movement on the ground since the two nations agreed to an anti-Isis alliance late last month.

The ministers have travelled to Kuala Lumpur for a summit of the Association of South East Asian Nations, where Kerry is also due to meet with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10439248.html

tomm 6 augustus 2015 07:11

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen (Bericht 7766575)
Moscow denies reports on summoning Turkish ambassador over ISIS



Wie is er gebaat met verslechterde relaties tussen Rusland en Turkije?

Rusland en Turkije zijn het grondig oneens over Syrie en IS, dat weet iedereen, maar anderzijds heeft Rusland Turkije nodig om het Southstream project mogelijk te maken, dus dit is inderdaad hoogst onwaarschijnlijk.
Diplomatie is een kwestie van afwegen en schaak spelen, en dikwijls tegengestelde belangen proberen te verzoenen.

cato 6 augustus 2015 07:20

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen (Bericht 7766935)
Ik zie Turkije nog bij de SCO komen nochtans alhoewel niet direct morgen. Juist door die historische Turkse bevolking in Azië (tot en met China) hoort het meer daar thuis dan bij de EU of de NATO. Maar Turkije zit ook in een unieke positie om broker te spelen tussen oost en West. Ik denk dat dat de weg is die Turkije zal kiezen. Hopelijk stijgt het hen niet te veel naar het hoofd. Ik zie geen NATO schoothondje in Turkije. Die zijn tot meer in staat.

Europa en Amerika zijn belangrijke bondgenoten van Turkije.
De NAVO is voor Turkije een garantie voor hun vrede en veiligheid.
Erdogan is niet gek ,hij gaat deze positie niet verspelen.
Integendeel ,Turkije zal met behoud van wat ze nu heeft, streven naar uitbereiding van invloedssfeer in Centraal Azië en banden met Aziatische Grootmachten
Rusland heeft zich buitenspel gezet met de landjepik en anti Westen politiek
van Poetin.
Turkije zal graag de rol van Rusland willen overnemen in Azië .
Door de sterke banden met het Westen ,is Turkije veel aantrekkelijker/belangrijker voor China, India en andere Aziatische staten
,dan Rusland .

Kortom, Turkije gaat de komende jaren een hoofdrol spelen als spil en brug tussen Azië , Europa , Amerika en de Arabische landen.
Hierbij hebben ze nu een grote voorsprong op Rusland.


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