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Kortom, uzelf beschouwt u als de ultieme referentie.
Dat is uiteindelijk altijd zo. Het is het individu dat uiteindelijk beslist of het iets zal aannemen of geloven(of niet). Dit zou moeten gebeuren op basis van zoveel mogelijke informatie. Maar helaas, er zijn ook individuen die dingen klakkeloos aanvaarden (of verwerpen).
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Dat is uiteindelijk altijd zo.
Eerst vergis ik mij en nu is het toch juist...
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Eerst vergis ik mij en nu is het toch juist...

U deed het voorkomen dat iemand zichzelf 'zo maar' beschouwt als ultieme referentie. Neen, de referentie die iemand tot een besluit doet komen neemt zou moeten gesteund zijn op zoveel mogelijk informatie.

Edoch, uiteindelijk zal de persoon toch zelf moeten besluiten welk standpunt hij inneemt. Dat is nogal wiedes. Maar dat besluit is niet gesteund op zijn eigen wijsheid, maar wel op het weten dat hij vergaard heeft bij anderen.

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Het zou toch ook kunnen dat de zondvloed wereldwijd was.
Geloof ik weinig van, maar stel dat het zo was: en dan ?
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Geloof ik weinig van, maar stel dat het zo was: en dan ?
Wel, dan betekent dit dat de joodse bijbel ook dingen verhaalt die werkelijk hebben plaatsgevonden. En dat één van de werkelijke plaatsgevonden gebeurtenissen in deze bijbel het verhaal zou kunnen zijn van de zogenaamde 'zonen van God' uit de hemel zijn nedergedaald en die zich vermengd hebben met het menselijk ras. Verhaal dat wellicht teruggaat op zeer oude overleveringen.

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Dr. Robert Sarbacher over gecrashde ufo's.



Interessant in verband met het al dan niet bestaan van ufo’s en dito crashes is de brief van Dr. Robert Sarbacher aan Robert Steinman.
Deze laatste had hem een brief (brieven?) geschreven met enkele vragen in dit verband. Brief waarop Sarbacher slechts laat antwoordde en waarvoor hij zich dan ook verontschuldigt.

Sarbacher was een briljant wetenschapper die afstudeerde aan Harvard, carrière maakte als wetenschapper, en later directeur werd van het Institute of Technology in Washington.

Dit is wat hij Steinman antwoordde:



Washington Institute of Technology Oceanographic and Physical Sciences Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher President and Chairman of Board.


November 29, 1983
Mr. William Steinman
15043 Rosalita Drive
La Mirada,
California 90638


Dear Mr. Steinman:


I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters. However, I have moved my office and have had to make a number of extended trips.

To answer your last question in your letter of October 14, 1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or couldn't answer any and all of your questions.

I am delighted to answer all of them to the best of my ability.

You listed some of your questions in your letter of September 12th. I will attempt to answer them as you had listed them.


1. Relating to my own experience regarding recovered flying saucers, I had no association with any of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowledge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I would send it to you.

2. Regarding verification that persons you list were involved, I can say only this:
John von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer also.
My association with the Research and Development Board under Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was rather limited so that although I had been invited to participate in several discussions associated with the reported recoveries, I could not personally attend the meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. von Braun and the others that you listed were probably asked and may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure.

3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as the time we were never supposed to take them out of the office.

4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you request so I am not in a position to answer.

5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4.

I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject matter under discussion, at that time. Actually I would have been able to give more specific answers had I attended the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was the maintenance of my own business activity so that my participation was limited.

About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our laboratories analyzed them very carefully.

There were reports that instruments or people operating these machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with some of the people at the office that I got the impression these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments would be quite low.

I still do not know why the high order of classification has been given and why the denial of the existence of these devices.



I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you get in touch with the others who may be more directly involved in this program.


Sincerely Yours,

Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher


P. S. It occurs to me that Bush's name is incorrect as you have it. Please check the spelling.





Dat weten dan ook alweer.

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Dr. Robert Sarbacher over gecrashde ufo's.



Interessant in verband met het al dan niet bestaan van ufo’s en dito crashes is de brief van Dr. Robert Sarbacher aan Robert Steinman.
Deze laatste had hem een brief (brieven?) geschreven met enkele vragen in dit verband. Brief waarop Sarbacher slechts laat antwoordde en waarvoor hij zich dan ook verontschuldigt.

Sarbacher was een briljant wetenschapper die afstudeerde aan Harvard, carrière maakte als wetenschapper, en later directeur werd van het Institute of Technology in Washington.

Dit is wat hij Steinman antwoordde:



Washington Institute of Technology Oceanographic and Physical Sciences Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher President and Chairman of Board.


November 29, 1983
Mr. William Steinman
15043 Rosalita Drive
La Mirada,
California 90638


Dear Mr. Steinman:


I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters. However, I have moved my office and have had to make a number of extended trips.

To answer your last question in your letter of October 14, 1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or couldn't answer any and all of your questions.

I am delighted to answer all of them to the best of my ability.

You listed some of your questions in your letter of September 12th. I will attempt to answer them as you had listed them.


1. Relating to my own experience regarding recovered flying saucers, I had no association with any of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowledge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I would send it to you.

2. Regarding verification that persons you list were involved, I can say only this:
John von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer also.
My association with the Research and Development Board under Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was rather limited so that although I had been invited to participate in several discussions associated with the reported recoveries, I could not personally attend the meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. von Braun and the others that you listed were probably asked and may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure.

3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as the time we were never supposed to take them out of the office.

4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you request so I am not in a position to answer.

5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4.

I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject matter under discussion, at that time. Actually I would have been able to give more specific answers had I attended the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was the maintenance of my own business activity so that my participation was limited.

About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our laboratories analyzed them very carefully.

There were reports that instruments or people operating these machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with some of the people at the office that I got the impression these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments would be quite low.

I still do not know why the high order of classification has been given and why the denial of the existence of these devices.



I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you get in touch with the others who may be more directly involved in this program.


Sincerely Yours,

Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher


P. S. It occurs to me that Bush's name is incorrect as you have it. Please check the spelling.





Dat weten dan ook alweer.
Waarschijnlijk alludeert Sarbacher hier op de spelling Vennever Bush.

Het was niet Vennever Bush, maar Vannevar Bush.

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Dr. Robert Sarbacher over gecrashde ufo's.



Interessant in verband met het al dan niet bestaan van ufo’s en dito crashes is de brief van Dr. Robert Sarbacher aan Robert Steinman.
Deze laatste had hem een brief (brieven?) geschreven met enkele vragen in dit verband. Brief waarop Sarbacher slechts laat antwoordde en waarvoor hij zich dan ook verontschuldigt.

Sarbacher was een briljant wetenschapper die afstudeerde aan Harvard, carrière maakte als wetenschapper, en later directeur werd van het Institute of Technology in Washington.

Dit is wat hij Steinman antwoordde:



Washington Institute of Technology Oceanographic and Physical Sciences Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher President and Chairman of Board.


November 29, 1983
Mr. William Steinman
15043 Rosalita Drive
La Mirada,
California 90638


Dear Mr. Steinman:


I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters. However, I have moved my office and have had to make a number of extended trips.

To answer your last question in your letter of October 14, 1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or couldn't answer any and all of your questions.

I am delighted to answer all of them to the best of my ability.

You listed some of your questions in your letter of September 12th. I will attempt to answer them as you had listed them.


1. Relating to my own experience regarding recovered flying saucers, I had no association with any of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowledge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I would send it to you.

2. Regarding verification that persons you list were involved, I can say only this:
John von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer also.
My association with the Research and Development Board under Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was rather limited so that although I had been invited to participate in several discussions associated with the reported recoveries, I could not personally attend the meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. von Braun and the others that you listed were probably asked and may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure.

3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as the time we were never supposed to take them out of the office.

4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you request so I am not in a position to answer.

5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4.

I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject matter under discussion, at that time. Actually I would have been able to give more specific answers had I attended the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was the maintenance of my own business activity so that my participation was limited.

About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our laboratories analyzed them very carefully.

There were reports that instruments or people operating these machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with some of the people at the office that I got the impression these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments would be quite low.

I still do not know why the high order of classification has been given and why the denial of the existence of these devices.



I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you get in touch with the others who may be more directly involved in this program.


Sincerely Yours,

Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher


P. S. It occurs to me that Bush's name is incorrect as you have it. Please check the spelling.





Dat weten dan ook alweer.
Waarschijnlijk alludeert Sarbacher hier op de spelling Vannever Bush.

Het was niet Vannever Bush, maar Vannevar Bush.

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Dr. Robert Sarbacher over gecrashde ufo's.



Interessant in verband met het al dan niet bestaan van ufo’s en dito crashes is de brief van Dr. Robert Sarbacher aan Robert Steinman.
Deze laatste had hem een brief (brieven?) geschreven met enkele vragen in dit verband. Brief waarop Sarbacher slechts laat antwoordde en waarvoor hij zich dan ook verontschuldigt.

Sarbacher was een briljant wetenschapper die afstudeerde aan Harvard, carrière maakte als wetenschapper, en later directeur werd van het Institute of Technology in Washington.

Dit is wat hij Steinman antwoordde:



Washington Institute of Technology Oceanographic and Physical Sciences Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher President and Chairman of Board.


November 29, 1983
Mr. William Steinman
15043 Rosalita Drive
La Mirada,
California 90638


Dear Mr. Steinman:


I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters. However, I have moved my office and have had to make a number of extended trips.

To answer your last question in your letter of October 14, 1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or couldn't answer any and all of your questions.

I am delighted to answer all of them to the best of my ability.

You listed some of your questions in your letter of September 12th. I will attempt to answer them as you had listed them.


1. Relating to my own experience regarding recovered flying saucers, I had no association with any of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowledge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I would send it to you.

2. Regarding verification that persons you list were involved, I can say only this:
John von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer also.
My association with the Research and Development Board under Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was rather limited so that although I had been invited to participate in several discussions associated with the reported recoveries, I could not personally attend the meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. von Braun and the others that you listed were probably asked and may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure.

3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as the time we were never supposed to take them out of the office.

4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you request so I am not in a position to answer.

5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4.

I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject matter under discussion, at that time. Actually I would have been able to give more specific answers had I attended the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was the maintenance of my own business activity so that my participation was limited.

About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our laboratories analyzed them very carefully.

There were reports that instruments or people operating these machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with some of the people at the office that I got the impression these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments would be quite low.

I still do not know why the high order of classification has been given and why the denial of the existence of these devices.



I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you get in touch with the others who may be more directly involved in this program.


Sincerely Yours,

Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher


P. S. It occurs to me that Bush's name is incorrect as you have it. Please check the spelling.





Dat weten dan ook alweer.
Niet Robert Steinman, maar William Steinman.




Uit die brief van Sarbacher waarvan de authenticiteit moeilijk kan worden betwist, kunnen we in ieder geval het volgende afleiden:

1)Volgens Sarbacher zijn er ufo-crashes geweest.
2)Hooggeplaatste wetenschappers waren betrokken bij de 'recoveries'.
3)Men heeft het materiaal van deze ufo's onderzocht.
4)Men heeft de instrumenten in de schotel (s) (er waren verschillende crashes) én de wezens die ze 'bestuurden' onderzocht in de labo's.
5)Er greep een doofpot-operatie plaats, maar Sarbacher is nooit te weten gekomen welke de motieven hiervoor waren en waarom de overheid dit eigenlijk deed.

Sarbacher bevestigt hier eigenlijk het verhaal over de gecrashde vliegende schotels van Corso. Of misschien andersom: Corso bevestigt het verhaal van Sarbacher.

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hihi

"Corso is one place that skeptics and believers generally come to an understanding. How many falsifications are required before lies become recognised for what they are?"

Zelfs de meeste believers of ufologen/whatever geloven die man zijn zever niet omdat wat hij ( hij is niet erg slim blijkbaar ) zegt te checken is en 99,99% klopt niet.
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ja zo zie je maar.... weer zo'n zeer betrouwbare onberispelijke getuige... zo eentje waarvan Het Oosten niet kan voorstellen dat ze zouden liegen of gewoon kierewiet zijn.


De vraag is natuurlijk of u hier niet aan het zeveren bent. En zo maar wat uit uw mouw schudt, zoals zo vaak.

Hieronder het verslag van een studie naar de persoon van Corso. Iemand die nu 'echt' wilde weten in hoeverre Corso de waarheid sprak. In tegenstelling tot u. U wil alleen maar 'debunken' en papegaait zonder nadenken vlugvlug iemand na. Zoals de meeste debunkers.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ex...litics_ZZO.htm


Besluit: beter uw huiswerk doen in het vervolg!

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