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28 september 2020, 13:57 | #26621 |
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In het puin van de WTC gebouwen waren genoeg bronnen van zuurstof en genoeg andere oxidatie reacties gaande om hitte te veroorzaken. U bent erg slecht op de hoogte .
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Ik denk dat het alles tezamen al heel veel zegt. En dat weet jij maar al te goed, anders zou je niet al je tijd spenderen aan het minimaliseren van elk feit. Ik spreek over een explosieve stof die werd teruggevonden in het stof, niet over springladingen. Laten we niet in fantasie vervallen. |
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U denkt kennelijk een compleet beeld te krijgen van de informatie op dergelijke sites, vergeet het gerust. Geeft de overheid wel alle informatie ??? nee ook niet . maar de info bestaat wel. Citaat:
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28 september 2020, 18:55 | #26624 |
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Hoe kon er brand en explosies zijn in de kelder? terwijl de impact zone veel hoger lag ??
Zie deze info die u niet van uw websites hebt gekregen: 64 people on 43 levels below the impact zones reported smelling or contacting jet fuel/kerosene on these floors North Tower: 87, 85, 83, 81, 78, 63, 62, 60, 57, 53, 52, 47, 46, 40, 39, 36, 35, 34, 33, 29, 27, 25, 13, 12, 9, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, Plaza level, Concourse, B1, B6, and one unknown floor. South Tower: 75, 74, 68, 61, 40, 25, Plaza Level, Concourse. 33 people on 18 levels below the impact zones reported seeing fireballs coming from elevator shafts or down hallways North Tower: 91, 88, 85, 83, 82, 81, 78, 77, 7, Plaza Level, Concourse, B1, B4, Basement (unknown level). South Tower: 75, 70, Plaza level, Concourse. 29 people on 19 levels below the impact zones described fires on these floors North Tower: 89, 88, 85, 83, 81, 78, 77, 72, 53, 46, 45, 22, 4, Plaza level, Concourse, Unknown upper levels. South Tower: 50, Concourse. 49 people on 23 levels below the impact zones reported seeing elevators/shaft doors blown out or severely damaged. North Tower: 89, 88, 86, 85, 83, 82, 81, 78, 77, 45, 22, 3, Plaza Level, Concourse, B1, B4, Basement (unknown levels). South Tower:78, 74, 44, Concourse, one unknown level. 8 people on 4 levels below the impact zones were burned in elevators and survived (does not include ST 78th floor) North Tower:78, Concourse, B1. South Tower: Concourse. 14 people on 9 levels below the impact zones survived burns or other injuries from blasts from elevator shafts North Tower: 89, 88, 85, 83, 78, Concourse, B1, B4, B6. 26 people on 17 levels below the impact zones reported fallen elevators (11 were in the elevators and survived). North Tower: 91, 88, 78, 47, 42, 27, 15, 7, Concourse, B1, B4, Basement (unknown level), Unknown upper levels. South Tower: 19, 12, Concourse. 13 (non-deaf) people on 12 levels below the impact zone didn’t hear the aircraft impact/explosion on their building North Tower: 88, 81, 72, 62, 60, 50, 35, 34, 28, 8, Concourse, B6. 50 people on 31 levels below the impact zones described significant secondary damage (walls down, doors jammed, broken pipes, stairwells disintegrating, etc. Not intended to suggest structural damage.) North Tower: 88, 85, 83, 82, 81, 78, 77, 76, 74, 72, 71, 68, 63, 40, 30, 29, 22, 21, Plaza level, Concourse, B1, B4, B6, Basement (level unknown) South Tower: 76, 70, 68, 67, 40, Plaza level, Concourse.
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28 september 2020, 19:30 | #26625 |
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Ik moet echt ver gaan zoeken om eens een posting van u te vinden waar jij niet met je ogen rolt. Bovendien was jij het die weer met de oogjes aan het rollen was, ik heb je gewoon de vraag gesteld waarom ?
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Eerst een instorting, dan de kans op brand. Bij de Towers was het net omgekeerd.
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29 september 2020, 17:35 | #26628 |
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Oppervlakte smelten , geen tonnen aan stalen balken volledig smelten.
"A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires." Het gaat helemaal niet over korte reacties voor dat de instortingen plaats vonden. Dat idee is uit de lucht gegrepen. Als u net wil doen alsof maanden lang in het brandende puin aanwezige staal alleen geoxideerd is vanwege een gebeurtenis voor de instortingen , be my guest.
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Een foto van een stalen kolom die volgens atmosphere enkel "oppervlakkig" is gesmolten. Citaat:
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Toch sterk dat reddingsmedewerkers, experts, en 2 overheidsinstanties toegeven dat staal is gesmolten en zich onder de 3 gebouwen bevond, maar een Belg op een forum kan het woord zelfs niet over z'n lippen krijgen. |
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30 september 2020, 00:20 | #26631 |
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Deze was ik nog vergeten. Want dat is nu net het belangrijkste punt, dat NIST het staal niet wou vinden.
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/faqs/5...tc-steel-.html Blijkbaar was NIST zich bewust van wat ze gingen vinden in de puinhoop, en heeft dan maar een middel gecreëerd om daar vanonder te muizen door nauwelijks staal te onderzoeken en het vervolgens maar zo snel mogelijk af te voeren. |
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Er is een jaar lang dag en nacht gewerkt met het aller zwaarste materiaal om de boel op te ruimen . Het puin lag vol menselijke resten en werd eerst naar een land fill getransporteerd om uitgezocht te worden.
Er is helemaal niets snel verscheept. Er is heel veel informatie beschikbaar over de clean up en het staal, de focus op slechts het NIST rapport is buitengewoon kortzichtig . Dat ze bij uw website niet begrijpen waarom een groot deel van het staal niet onderzocht hoefde te worden is hun probleem. De verklaring voor de reden dat het staal onder de impact zone het begaf is al lang gegeven. Er waren mensen binnen die het verhaal vertellen! Na de plane impcts begonnen de gebouwen al direct signalen van instorting te tonen. Firefighter Mike Cancel, Ladder 10:We could feel the building starting to twist above us. I called Ladder 10 three times, Ladder 10 roof to Ladder 10. There was no answer. I said we have to evacuate, the building's coming down. Again, there was no response.Source On the 56th floor, Architect Bob Shelton had his foot in a cast; he'd broken it falling off a curb two weeks ago. He heard the explosion of the first plane hitting the north tower from his 56th-floor office in the south tower. As he made his way down the stairwell, his building came under attack as well. "You could hear the building cracking. It sounded like when you have a bunch of spaghetti, and you break it in half to boil it." Shelton knew that what he was hearing was bad. "It was structural failure," Shelton says. "Once a building like that is off center, that's it."Source Structural Engineer Al Masetti: At some point, perhaps when I was down around the 20th floor (north tower), there was a very clear and distinct radio message: "...structural instability...." It seemed obvious to me that some lightly dressed and unencumbered fireman had reached the scene of the impact, was able to evaluate what was there, and was able to report what he saw. Source An engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage appeared to be immense. The stability of both buildings was compromised. In particular, the engineer was worried about how long the north tower would stand. Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn. "102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers" New York: Times Books, 2004 Roy Bell: "They said they had stretchers and wheelchairs down there, but I just wanted to get the hell out of the building," he said. "I ran into a building engineer, who told me there was only one safe exit out and that the building wasn't stable." Source Around 9:15, Drohan heard (Port Authority WTC Construction Manager Frank) DeMartini over the walkie-talkie. "Any construction inspector at ground level." Drohan acknowledged that he was on the street. "Can you escort a couple of structural inspectors to the 78th floor?" DeMartini asked. DeMartini had seen something in the steel–Drohan was not sure what–that he did not like. The drywall had been knocked off parts of the sky lobby, exposing the elevator shafts, and revealing the core of the building. That had prompted his first radio alert, warning that the elevators might collapse. Now DeMartini wanted inspectors from a structural engineering firm to come up to the 78th-floor sky lobby and take a look. (102 Minutes, p. 147) PAPD Sergeant David Lim: On the way down, we were losing our lights & could feel the bldg falling apart. ...You could feel the building starting to collapse internally. I got down to about the twenty-first floor, when I met Chief Romito, Captain Mazza and Lieutenant Cirri, and they had come from the Police Academy to assist. And I remember, they were trying to make a stretcher for this fellow that had difficulty breathing. So I told the Chief, I didn’t know if he knew that the other Tower was down. And I remember everybody starred at their blackberries. They had these special pagers I guess that told them when things were happening.And I remember showing the Chief the inside of the floor, because we were still in the staircase so you could see part of it: part of the building is already collapsed in, internally. So the Chief said, “Okay, forget about this, would you just carry him down?”(Lim later became trapped in the north tower B stairway. Source: 9/11 Commission Public Hearing testimony, day 1) B.J.B.: Water was pouring down the stairwell, and all the while the building was creaking and cracking, and it felt like it was coming apart.Source Erik O. Ronningen : I remember how calm and orderly the descent in the stairwells was… and how smoky… accompanied occasionally with the snapping sounds of tortured pipes and walls stressed beyond endurance. Source Sandra Gonzales: "All the way down it felt like the ground was falling out from under you. I knew the building had been severely damaged, and all the way down you could feel that it was about to collapse." Source FDNY Firefighter Hugh Mettham: We reached the sixth or seventh floor and are met by many firefighters coming down the stairs, informing us that the upper floors are collapsing and that there’s a heavy odor of gas and fuel.
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Ah, FEMA besluit nochtans dat het mogelijk geholpen heeft bij het verzwakken van het gebouw terwijl het nog recht stond. Hoe komt het dat jij dit besluit niet kan accepteren?[/quote] omdat u er iets heel anders aan verbind, dat nergens op slaat . Het betreft bovendien slecht een suggestie in 1 rapportje. Er is niets conclusive in die zin te vinden, dus waarom zou ik het als feit zien? Citaat:
Hitte in de puinhopen maanden na 9/11 kan nooit van ladingen komen die op 9/11 afgingen , ook niet als ze er ook echt zaten.
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Er gingen explosies af, nog voor het eerste vliegtuig naar binnen vloog, de indruk dat de gebouwen structurele problemen vertoonden moeten we dus in die richting zoeken. Niet bij wat miezerige brandjes, noch bij de impact. |
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Da's waar ... zo'n gang biedt een eindeloze bron aan zuurstof aan ...
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Zeker , ze waren immers gewoon open aan de andere kant .
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Rare bubbel daar..., ach, zal wel extra bagageruimte of zoiets geweest zijn.
Doorlopen mensen, niks aan de hand.
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brandjes ?? de daar aanwezigen gaan u keihard tegenspreken: Eyewitness Accounts of WTC 7 Fires Once the fires developed, according to witness accounts and photo evidence gathered, there were confirmed fires on at least 16 floors: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 21, 22, 29, and 30. "The building was fully involved in fire." – Photographer Steve Spak First responder accounts Unless otherwise noted, accounts are from the FDNY oral history transcripts. 1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco 2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn 3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../visconti.html 4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes 5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories. –FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160) 6. The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. –Captain Robert Sohmer http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110472.PDF 7. Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly. 8. At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa 9. Chief Cruthers told me that they had formed another command post up on Chambers Street. At this point there were a couple of floors burning on Seven World Trade Center. Chief McNally wanted to try and put that fire out, and he was trying to coordinate with the command post up on Chambers Street. This is after searching for a while. He had me running back and forth trying to get companies to go into Seven World Trade Center. His radio didn't seem to be working right either because he had me relaying information back and forth and Chief Cruthers had me -- Q. So everything was face-to-face? Nothing was by radio? A. Yeah, and it was really in disarray. It really was in complete disarray. We never really got an operation going at Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Captain Michael Donovan 10. Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports02.pdf page 48. 11. At Vesey St. and West St., I could see that 7 WTC was ablaze and damaged, along with other buildings. –M. DeFilippis, PAPD P.O. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports03.pdf page 49 [Note: the fires in 7 were probably not mainly due to damage from the south tower, but from the north.] 12. So yeah then we just stayed on Vesey until building Seven came down. There was nothing we could do. The flames were coming out of every window of that building from the explosion of the south tower. So then building Seven came down. When that started coming down you heard that pancaking sound again everyone jumped up and starts. Q: Why was building Seven on fire? Was that flaming debris from tower two, from tower two that fell onto that building and lit it on fire? A: Correct. Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. –Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy 13. "We were down about a block from the base of the World Trade Center towers about an hour ago. And there was a great deal of concern at that time, the firemen said building number 7 was going to collapse, building number five was in danger of collapsing. And there's so little they can do to try to fight the fires in these buildings, because the fires are so massive. And so much of the buildings continues to fall into the street. When you're down there, Dan, you hear smaller secondary explosions going off every 15 or 20 minutes, and so it's an extremely dangerous place to be." –CBS-TV News Reporter Vince DeMentri http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/91...explosions.wmv 14. Well, they said that's (7) fully involved at this time. This was a fully involved building. I said, all right, they're not coming for us for a while. Now you're trapped in this rubble, and you're trying to get a grasp of an idea of what's going on there. I heard on the handy talky that we are now fighting a 40-story building fully involved.
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