Mozes en Aäron, vrede zij met hen*********4

revoleto · 3 februari 2012, 20:39

The days passed, and took Pharaoh and his aides in the torture of the children of Israel and servitude at work, did not hear what he was told Moses to leave him and his people out of Egypt to the Levant Shed God them years waterless and poverty, where less water of the Nile, and decreased fruit, and hungry people, and were unable to before the scourge of God - God - and Allah has sent down to them other kinds of suffering in addition to what are the Flood who drowned Planting and homes, and locusts, which eat what was left of Planting and trees and brought to them licorice, he ate stocks silos of grain and flour, and sent them frogs, Voqlguet comfort , and about the waters that come from the Nile, wells and springs blood.
All these misfortunes struck Pharaoh and his people, while Moses and safe with him did not happen to them anything, this evidence was proof of the truth brought by Moses and his brother Aaron.

The days passed, and continued these plagues, but they have been increasing day by day, he went to Pharaoh, the Egyptians refer it to release the children of Israel in return for the Lord calls Moses to reveal that harm them, and intercede for them with his Lord this suffering and distress.

Then Moses called his Lord responded to him, and revealed what happened to Pharaoh and his people from the punishment of the scourge.
And increased the Pharaoh in his stubbornness and his kufr in Allah, and when Moses saw the insistence of Pharaoh on the infidels and ingratitude, and its excesses to carry on and lie all the verses that came out, he raised his hands to the sky on his way to God Mtdharaa and begging Him to save the children of Israel from the hands of Pharaoh and his soldiers, and to punish the infidels with punishment humiliating.

(133) So We sent upon them the flood and locusts and lice and frogs and blood as distinct signs, but they were arrogant and were a criminal people.
(134) And when the punishment descended upon them, they said, "O Moses, invoke for us your Lord by what He has promised you. If you [can] remove the punishment from us, we will surely believe you, and we will send with you the Children of Israel."
(135) But when We removed the punishment from them until a term which they were to reach, then at once they broke their word.
(136) So We took retribution from them, and We drowned them in the sea because they denied Our signs and were heedless of them.

And responded to God - the Almighty - prayer Prophet and His Messenger, Moses, came the divine command to Moses to come out with the children of Israel from Egypt at night, not afraid of the consequence, and told him that the Pharaoh will be followed, but God Manjieh is it safe with him and drown Pharaoh and his soldiers.
Moses was told the news the children of Israel, and asked them to Etjhezwa out with him if Jane the night, people hurried to Moses Etjhezwn departure from Egypt, they are long-time waiting for them.

And Moses and his people marched in the direction of the sea, and after long hours was Moses and those with him had come a long way on their feet, and the news came out the children of Israel from Egypt to Pharaoh Vhaj severe agitation, and issued his orders to meet him in the case of all his soldiers.

In moments of meeting to Pharaoh, a large number of soldiers and horsemen, seized them and left them looking forward to the impact of Moses and his people even caught them at sunrise, and here have the children of Israel, terror and panic from the horror of the situation in which they, the sea in front of them, and Pharaoh and his soldiers behind them, so they start to imagine what will be signed by Pharaoh colors of their suffering and Alnekal, and they thought that the Pharaoh Will join their inevitably.
Moses took reassure them and remind them that God Sinzarethm and save them, God ordered Moses to hit his stick the sea, and he did, Vanhq through dry, rushed the children of Israel it before it reaches the Pharaoh and his soldiers to them, and when he came Pharaoh and those with him to the beach, the children of Israel had come out to the beach the other , and when Pharaoh saw that the route taken by the children of Israel still exists, is also his soldiers rushed to catch up with them, and when he arrived Pharaoh and his soldiers to the middle of the sea, turning the road into water, and drowned them all. When Pharaoh realized that he wanted to sink escape trick he said: ((90) And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims." (91) Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters?
(92) So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless) [Yunus: 90].

But hardly have carried out the command of Allah, and drowned Pharaoh and see death, and realized that it does not escape from him, and in this time of no use to repent, nor too late, I have at death, came the belief in Pharaoh's too late, was attended by death, and too late to repent.

After that the word Pharaoh, his last breath, the waves carried the body, and dropped on the beach to see the Egyptians, and realize all that a man who worshiped and obeyed him without God, death could not pay for itself, and became a powerful lesson for all arrogant.

After that through the children of Israel the sea, walked on their way to the Holy Land, and in the way they saw some people worshiped idols, they asked Moses to make them a god like these infidels, patience Moses on them and between them their ignorance, and showed them God's blessings on them that can not be counted, and that God virtue His creation, and that Saved them of Pharaoh and his soldiers, and he alone worthy of worship and obedience.

Continued to Moses and his walk, the sun on their faces, the children of Israel went to complain to him that Moses, God Vschr them clouds stand with them if they stood, and walk with them if they walk, for Azlhm and safeguarding them against calls to the hot sun. As Athoa God revealed to Moses to hit the stick, which carry with him the stone, raised Moses his rod and fell out on a stone in the mountain and if by a miracle of new miracles of Moses spoke before the eyes of the children of Israel, which explode as soon as the occurrence of the stick on the stone twelve-kind, the number of the tribes of Israel who were with him, making Moses allocated to each tribe kind of drink.

When starved Adrkihm grace of God, where the stalk them manna, a kind of candy, and comfort, a kind of birds like quail, they took the eating of it, but they soon tired of this food and are tired of it, they went to Moses complained to him that they said: O Moses ((60) And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, "Strike with your staff the stone." And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. "Eat and drink from the provision of Allah, and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption." (61) And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.) [Baqarah: 61].

Moses marveled, then tell them that it is in the ground, let them go to a place where planting and working in order to achieve them what they ask.
He lived the children of Israel in safety and comfort, and are in need of law naturally as him, and the law governing their lives, God revealed to Moses to go out alone to a certain place, to give him the law which resorts to the children of Israel, and organize their lives, Left successor Moses his brother Aaron to his people, and preachment and said God , and warned him of Almdilan who are trying to ruin others.

Biggles · 3 februari 2012, 21:02

Pfwwwww.
Zo'n lange en saaie tekst als de week-end begint.

En dan nog in een vreemde taal.

Diego Raga · 3 februari 2012, 21:14

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But hardly have carried out the command of Allah, and drowned Pharaoh and see death...

Hélaba Revoleto, ni vals spelen éh, Allah was in dien tijd nog ni uitgevonden zenne !

Alboreto · 4 februari 2012, 10:24

revoleto · 4 februari 2012, 12:06

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Hélaba Revoleto, ni vals spelen éh, Allah was in dien tijd nog ni uitgevonden zenne !

allah can do anything and everything

Road in the middle of the sea
allah says in the Holy Qur'an

(117) Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

(47) She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.

(59) Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.

(82) His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, "Be," and it is

Aton · 15 april 2016, 19:42

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Mozes wordt gedateerd op 1480 vc , is dus geen superoude voorvader

Onzin ! Mozes heeft nooit bestaan en is een compilatie van opmerkelijke gebeurtenissen uit de 18e dynastie.

Piero · 15 april 2016, 19:50

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Onzin ! Mozes heeft nooit bestaan en is een compilatie van opmerkelijke gebeurtenissen uit de 18e dynastie.

Dat doet er niet toe voor wie in hem gelooft.
Mozes is geschiedenis geworden.
De tien geboden zijn niet meer weg te denken.
De scheiding tussen godsdienst en staatsinrichting,
tussen staatsrecht en kerkelijk recht,
is door Mozes en Aaron tot stand gebracht.
Fictief of echt gebeurd doet niet ter zake.

Aton · 15 april 2016, 23:48

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Piero

Dat doet er niet toe voor wie in hem gelooft.
Mozes is geschiedenis geworden.
De tien geboden zijn niet meer weg te denken.
Fictief of echt gebeurd doet niet ter zake.

Mozes is nog steeds fictie in de wetenschappelijke wereld.

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De scheiding tussen godsdienst en staatsinrichting,
tussen staatsrecht en kerkelijk recht,
is door Mozes en Aaron tot stand gebracht.

Wat voor belachelijke onzin is me dat nu weer. Hoe bedenk je zoiets ?

Aton · 22 april 2016, 09:40

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Mozes heeft bestaan want hij is gedateerd op 1480 vc

Door wie gedateerd en onder welke farao ? Deze datum kan onmogelijk aansluiten met het O.T.

Aton · 22 april 2016, 09:42

Achnaton de spilfiguur is in het Mozes-verhaal. Alle scholars die ik tot nu toe hebben gelezen gaan uit van één personage en deze zal onvindbaar blijven. Exodus is een compilatie van opmerkelijke gebeurtenissen uit de 18e dynastie.
- Splitsing van de Rode zee: Gaat om de Rietzee aan de Nijldelta. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmose_I Toen was er nog geen sprake van Israël, maar wel van Semitische volkeren en door de Egyptenaren Hyksos genoemd werden. Deze achtervolging valt samen met de uitbarsting van Thera https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thera
- 40 jarig verblijf in de woestijn. Woestijn = woestenij = onbewoond gebied. Achnaton trekt met zijn aanhang naar een ' woestenij ' om een burgeroorlog te voorkomen en sticht Amarna https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achetaton .40 jaar wil zeggen ' een lange ( ambts- ) termijn, maar niet noodzakelijk 40 jaar.
- Vlucht naar het ' beloofde land ': Eerste stop : Edom waar de stam van zijn schoonouders woonden ( Petra ) . Berg van Mozes : Jebel Madhbah ( naast Petra en het dal van Edom ).
Oorzaak van deze vlucht : Horemheb https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horemheb
- Slavenwerk : Onder Horemheb het herstel van de grensposten in de Nijldelta en Avaris https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaris
Dit in grote trekken.

3 februari 2012, 20:39	#1
revoleto Banneling Geregistreerd: 16 augustus 2011 Berichten: 992	Mozes en Aäron, vrede zij met hen*****4 The days passed, and took Pharaoh and his aides in the torture of the children of Israel and servitude at work, did not hear what he was told Moses to leave him and his people out of Egypt to the Levant Shed God them years waterless and poverty, where less water of the Nile, and decreased fruit, and hungry people, and were unable to before the scourge of God - God - and Allah has sent down to them other kinds of suffering in addition to what are the Flood who drowned Planting and homes, and locusts, which eat what was left of Planting and trees and brought to them licorice, he ate stocks silos of grain and flour, and sent them frogs, Voqlguet comfort , and about the waters that come from the Nile, wells and springs blood. All these misfortunes struck Pharaoh and his people, while Moses and safe with him did not happen to them anything, this evidence was proof of the truth brought by Moses and his brother Aaron. The days passed, and continued these plagues, but they have been increasing day by day, he went to Pharaoh, the Egyptians refer it to release the children of Israel in return for the Lord calls Moses to reveal that harm them, and intercede for them with his Lord this suffering and distress. Then Moses called his Lord responded to him, and revealed what happened to Pharaoh and his people from the punishment of the scourge. And increased the Pharaoh in his stubbornness and his kufr in Allah, and when Moses saw the insistence of Pharaoh on the infidels and ingratitude, and its excesses to carry on and lie all the verses that came out, he raised his hands to the sky on his way to God Mtdharaa and begging Him to save the children of Israel from the hands of Pharaoh and his soldiers, and to punish the infidels with punishment humiliating. (133) So We sent upon them the flood and locusts and lice and frogs and blood as distinct signs, but they were arrogant and were a criminal people. (134) And when the punishment descended upon them, they said, "O Moses, invoke for us your Lord by what He has promised you. If you [can] remove the punishment from us, we will surely believe you, and we will send with you the Children of Israel." (135) But when We removed the punishment from them until a term which they were to reach, then at once they broke their word. (136) So We took retribution from them, and We drowned them in the sea because they denied Our signs and were heedless of them. And responded to God - the Almighty - prayer Prophet and His Messenger, Moses, came the divine command to Moses to come out with the children of Israel from Egypt at night, not afraid of the consequence, and told him that the Pharaoh will be followed, but God Manjieh is it safe with him and drown Pharaoh and his soldiers. Moses was told the news the children of Israel, and asked them to Etjhezwa out with him if Jane the night, people hurried to Moses Etjhezwn departure from Egypt, they are long-time waiting for them. And Moses and his people marched in the direction of the sea, and after long hours was Moses and those with him had come a long way on their feet, and the news came out the children of Israel from Egypt to Pharaoh Vhaj severe agitation, and issued his orders to meet him in the case of all his soldiers. In moments of meeting to Pharaoh, a large number of soldiers and horsemen, seized them and left them looking forward to the impact of Moses and his people even caught them at sunrise, and here have the children of Israel, terror and panic from the horror of the situation in which they, the sea in front of them, and Pharaoh and his soldiers behind them, so they start to imagine what will be signed by Pharaoh colors of their suffering and Alnekal, and they thought that the Pharaoh Will join their inevitably. Moses took reassure them and remind them that God Sinzarethm and save them, God ordered Moses to hit his stick the sea, and he did, Vanhq through dry, rushed the children of Israel it before it reaches the Pharaoh and his soldiers to them, and when he came Pharaoh and those with him to the beach, the children of Israel had come out to the beach the other , and when Pharaoh saw that the route taken by the children of Israel still exists, is also his soldiers rushed to catch up with them, and when he arrived Pharaoh and his soldiers to the middle of the sea, turning the road into water, and drowned them all. When Pharaoh realized that he wanted to sink escape trick he said: ((90) And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims." (91) Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters? (92) So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless) [Yunus: 90]. But hardly have carried out the command of Allah, and drowned Pharaoh and see death, and realized that it does not escape from him, and in this time of no use to repent, nor too late, I have at death, came the belief in Pharaoh's too late, was attended by death, and too late to repent. After that the word Pharaoh, his last breath, the waves carried the body, and dropped on the beach to see the Egyptians, and realize all that a man who worshiped and obeyed him without God, death could not pay for itself, and became a powerful lesson for all arrogant. After that through the children of Israel the sea, walked on their way to the Holy Land, and in the way they saw some people worshiped idols, they asked Moses to make them a god like these infidels, patience Moses on them and between them their ignorance, and showed them God's blessings on them that can not be counted, and that God virtue His creation, and that Saved them of Pharaoh and his soldiers, and he alone worthy of worship and obedience. Continued to Moses and his walk, the sun on their faces, the children of Israel went to complain to him that Moses, God Vschr them clouds stand with them if they stood, and walk with them if they walk, for Azlhm and safeguarding them against calls to the hot sun. As Athoa God revealed to Moses to hit the stick, which carry with him the stone, raised Moses his rod and fell out on a stone in the mountain and if by a miracle of new miracles of Moses spoke before the eyes of the children of Israel, which explode as soon as the occurrence of the stick on the stone twelve-kind, the number of the tribes of Israel who were with him, making Moses allocated to each tribe kind of drink. When starved Adrkihm grace of God, where the stalk them manna, a kind of candy, and comfort, a kind of birds like quail, they took the eating of it, but they soon tired of this food and are tired of it, they went to Moses complained to him that they said: O Moses ((60) And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, "Strike with your staff the stone." And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. "Eat and drink from the provision of Allah, and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption." (61) And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.) [Baqarah: 61]. Moses marveled, then tell them that it is in the ground, let them go to a place where planting and working in order to achieve them what they ask. He lived the children of Israel in safety and comfort, and are in need of law naturally as him, and the law governing their lives, God revealed to Moses to go out alone to a certain place, to give him the law which resorts to the children of Israel, and organize their lives, Left successor Moses his brother Aaron to his people, and preachment and said God , and warned him of Almdilan who are trying to ruin others.

3 februari 2012, 21:02	#2
Biggles Provinciaal Gedeputeerde Geregistreerd: 22 november 2011 Berichten: 934	Pfwwwww. Zo'n lange en saaie tekst als de week-end begint. En dan nog in een vreemde taal. Laatst gewijzigd door Biggles : 3 februari 2012 om 21:02.

4 februari 2012, 10:24	#4
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22 april 2016, 09:42	#10
Aton Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 28 september 2012 Locatie: Vlaanderen Berichten: 9.515	Achnaton de spilfiguur is in het Mozes-verhaal. Alle scholars die ik tot nu toe hebben gelezen gaan uit van één personage en deze zal onvindbaar blijven. Exodus is een compilatie van opmerkelijke gebeurtenissen uit de 18e dynastie. - Splitsing van de Rode zee: Gaat om de Rietzee aan de Nijldelta. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmose_I Toen was er nog geen sprake van Israël, maar wel van Semitische volkeren en door de Egyptenaren Hyksos genoemd werden. Deze achtervolging valt samen met de uitbarsting van Thera https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thera - 40 jarig verblijf in de woestijn. Woestijn = woestenij = onbewoond gebied. Achnaton trekt met zijn aanhang naar een ' woestenij ' om een burgeroorlog te voorkomen en sticht Amarna https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achetaton .40 jaar wil zeggen ' een lange ( ambts- ) termijn, maar niet noodzakelijk 40 jaar. - Vlucht naar het ' beloofde land ': Eerste stop : Edom waar de stam van zijn schoonouders woonden ( Petra ) . Berg van Mozes : Jebel Madhbah ( naast Petra en het dal van Edom ). Oorzaak van deze vlucht : Horemheb https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horemheb - Slavenwerk : Onder Horemheb het herstel van de grensposten in de Nijldelta en Avaris https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaris Dit in grote trekken.