DE GROTE EURO ZONE CRISIS : The Endgame

[eno2]

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Griekenland stapt uit de EU als hun bailout niet verzekerd wordt.

Goed. Daar zijn we dan van af. Maar het zal niet gebeuren, want de bevolking wil binnen de € blijven en de 26 willen Griekenland binnen.
De end game zal niet voor dit jaar zijn.

[eno2]

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De EU-idioten gaan akkoord met de sancties tegen Iran,
READ MY LIPS, NO MORE OIL FROM IRAN

Dat zullen we voelen...

Crude Surges On News Europe Agrees To Ban Iran Oil Imports

Uitstekend.
Iran is een achterlijke dictatoriale theocratie met atoomproliferatieplannen en de gekke Achmadinejat dreigde de Joden uit te roeien daarmee

[UnionJack]

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a reader's reaction... (with 6 language corrections by me)

So, I think,...

Don't you worry though. I bet the author of that reaction doesn't have any journalistic background at all, and hence can't criticise the aforementioned lady.

You were saying?

[UnionJack]

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De EU-idioten gaan akkoord met de sancties tegen Iran,
READ MY LIPS, NO MORE OIL FROM IRAN

Dat zullen we voelen...

Crude Surges On News Europe Agrees To Ban Iran Oil Imports

Correct, mijn kennis was vanmorgend reeds aan het vieren (Total)

[UnionJack]

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De EU is Europa's grootste handelspartner.

Ik eet geen vlees en ik heb geen kroonluchter en mijn inkomsten liggen vast, maar forum heeft weer een aanwinst van belang
BaROsso is geen misdadiger.

Dat naampjesnoemen is Provocation of Intellectual Lowlessness (PIL)

Dat is trouwens de hoofdtendens van jouw schrijfsels.... slavery

Zou nogal erg zijn als ze niet huneigen grootste handelspartner zouden zijn!

Neen, alle gekheid op een stokje. De Europese economie staat bijna op een stand-still en zal binnenkort krimpen. Dit itt de zgn. groeilanden, waar bijna de helft van de wereldbevolking leeft.

Barroso is een communist,...

http://xandernieuws.punt.nl/?id=649557&r=1&tbl_archief

[UnionJack]

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Goed. Daar zijn we dan van af. Maar het zal niet gebeuren, want de bevolking wil binnen de € blijven en de 26 willen Griekenland binnen.
De end game zal niet voor dit jaar zijn.

Nog voor April zal er *iets* breken. Let's see how it plays out, shall we?

[Kasumi]

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Uitstekend.
Iran is een achterlijke dictatoriale theocratie met atoomproliferatieplannen en de gekke Achmadinejat dreigde de Joden uit te roeien daarmee

Iran is een land met 1 van meest hoog opgeleiden per capita. Er is nooit een greintje bewijs gevonden dat ze een atoombom willen maken.

En Ahmadinijad heeft nooit de joden bedreigt uit te roeien. U papegaait holle leugens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...IKML_blog.html

Ik kan me zo al inbeelden voor wat de gemiddelde Iranees u de huid zou volschelden. En geheel terecht overigens.

[UnionJack]

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Uitstekend.
Iran is een achterlijke dictatoriale theocratie met atoomproliferatieplannen en de gekke Achmadinejat dreigde de Joden uit te roeien daarmee

Ik volgde je tot 'Iran is een achterlijke dictatoriale theocratie '.
Probleem met Iran is dat het geen Irak, Afghanistan of Libië is, en zeer sterk geruggesteund wordt door China & Rusland.
Door actief mee te werken en koppig te zijn, bereikt Iran automatisch al één van zijn doelen : de economie van het Westen in het hart treffen, door de olieprijs met 1/3, misschien wel 1/2 te doen toenemen.
Jij vindt dit goed nieuws?
Denk er nog eens aan als je binnenkort nog eens gaat tanken.

[AsGardSGO]

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Goed. Daar zijn we dan van af. Maar het zal niet gebeuren, want de bevolking wil binnen de € blijven en de 26 willen Griekenland binnen.
De end game zal niet voor dit jaar zijn.

U kan gelijk hebben maar onderschat het niet he; even goed mogelijk dat men de agenda toch doordrukt en de neerwaartse spiraal nog een lange tijd aanhoudt.
Ander scenario is dat er even een adempauze komt nu maar dat zal niet wegnemen dat er nadien hetzelfde weer uitbreekt maar dan 10 keer erger en dan mogen we ons vasthouden aan de takken van de bomen.

[parcifal]

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Nog voor April zal er *iets* breken. Let's see how it plays out, shall we?

100 Euro erop dat het het stukje plakband is dat uw paranoide brein nu nog samenhoudt en enigzins laat functioneren?

[eno2]

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Iran is een land met 1 van meest hoog opgeleiden per capita

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Allemaal onderdrukt

Er is nooit een greintje bewijs gevonden dat ze een atoombom willen maken.

Tot ze de faciliteiten gaan bombarderen

En Ahmadinijad heeft nooit de joden bedreigt uit te roeien. U papegaait holle leugens.

Ik heb ze zeker niet zelf uitgevonden.

Daarnaast zijn er inn Iran ookgeen homo's,dixit ons zotje
Wie ben ik om dat tegen te spreken?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...IKML_blog.html

Ik kan me zo al inbeelden voor wat de gemiddelde Iranees u de huid zou volschelden. En geheel terecht overigens.

Gelukkig komt die niet op Forum

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@eno2, een kleine prognose...

The Can Kicking Is Ending - Key Upcoming Dates For Europe's Patient Zero

When it comes to the markets one can easily ignore the fact that the world is one big ponzi and things, as we know them, are coming to an end as long as the can can be kicked down the street at least one more time. In other words, without a hard deadline, there is nothing that can force change upon a system already in motion, no matter how self-destructive. Unfortunately, the clock in Europe is ticking as a deadline approaches, and somewhat poetically, the place where it all started is where it may end. In March Greece faces a redemption cliff: if by then the €130 billion promised to it by the Troika as per the July 21 second bailout, is not delivered, it is game over - first for Greece which will default, then for the ECB, which will be forced to write down holdings of Greek bonds, in effect wiping out its equity and credibility, and lastly, for the Euro, which will see a core member leaving (in)voluntarily.

As the WSJ reported today, "Greece faces the risk of a disorderly default in March if it doesn't complete negotiations for the country's second bailout starting later this month, Prime Minister Lucas Papademos said Wednesday." The problem is that "the stakes are rising as Greece pushes the sensitive issue of reducing private-sector salaries, under pressure from creditors to quicken reforms. Private-sector labor union GSEE said the government has instructed them to start discussions with employers on ways to reduce costs. GSEE General Secretary Nikolaos Kioutsikos said the talks will run until the start of February and cover lowering the minimum salary and reducing annual pay by up two months. As Papademos told us, there are no barriers to these cuts," he told reporters. GSEE rejects any talk of pay cuts and will propose ways to lower other costs and protect jobs." In other words, the dormant Syntagma riot cam will very likely see serious action quite soon, only this time there is no can kicking, something which G-Pap knows too well, and is why he formally resigned from politics earlier today. So while the market drifts ever higher of some blissful "decoupling" from something, here is SocGen with the key events for Europe's Patient Zero, which is almost guaranteed to not be a part of the Eurozone by the end of the year.

Greece: to leave or not to leave? Key dates ahead


We have said for some time now that should any country leave the eurozone, it would be a political decision. This is still true. However, Greece faces a crucial agenda over the coming weeks with key dates that could tip the scales.


Troika to visit Athens on 16 January. The Troika will make yet another trip to Athens mid-January to start new negotiations on the new funding programme and to review the economic and fiscal situation. It may reiterate that Greece has to speed up its efforts to implement its austerity programme, keeping the pressure on the Greek government. However, should discussions surrounding PSI continue, the Troika is quite unlikely to veto further aid to Greece.


PSI agreement by the end of January. First, Greece and the IIF said they must reach an agreement on PSI by the end of the month. The IIF has been quite optimistic over the past few days, saying that progress has been made. However, no agreement has yet been reached. It must be based on the terms of the 26/27 October EU Summit, which means a 50% haircut on a voluntary basis. This is supposed to reduce public debt by EUR100bn. Greece would like a bigger haircut, especially as the country is sinking deeper into recession and the economic outlook is not bright. However, a bigger haircut seems quite unlikely at this point.


Big redemptions by the end of March. An agreement over PSI is a key condition for the EU/IMF to deliver the EUR110bn promised in July and confirmed in October. Greece will need this package if it wants to meet its first large GGB redemption of 2012 at the end of March.


Greek elections in April. Lastly the Greeks will go to the polls in April, a tough test for the Greek government against the backdrop of social pressure and as Greece slips deeper into recession. PM Papademos will have to convince the Greeks that current austerity measures, and perhaps more ahead, are necessary for a brighter outlook at the end of the day...


All in all, much like the past two years for Greece, 2012 has shot off at top speed and it will have to clear all the key event hurdles if it wants to remain a eurozone member. The Greek PM clearly envisages a pessimistic scenario: let’s hope this is meant to keep up the pressure and force key decision-makers to take concrete measures as well as implement them.

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en vandaag...

European Deathwish Exposed: Greek Bailout Package Delayed By Three Months

Looks like Europe plans (and we use the term very loosely) on pushing its fate literally to the wire. Yesterday we explained why for Greece March is D(eadline)-Day, and as Greece itself stated, absent bailout cash coming in, it is game over: for Greece, for the Eurozone, and for Europe as the serial chain of defaults and exits begins. Which is why we read with great surprise minutes ago that according to the European Commission, the entire Greek bailout package has been delayed by three months because of delays in payouts of the 2011 tranche! Naturally this is supposed to have the optics of punishing Greece for doing absolutely nothing to fix its fiscal situation but all it will do is send the market (the European one that is - America is still stuck in some idiotic limbo where it fools itself that it can exist in isolation from the world's biggest economy) even more into Risk Off mode, as the world will be forced to wait until the 11th hour and 59th minute to find out if the Euro and Eurozone will survive for a few more months. In the meantime, Mario Monti is off to Brussels to satisfy an unscheduled craving for Belgian beer and chocolate, or something.

From Reuters:

The next 5 billion euro tranche for Greece that was originally scheduled to be paid in December 2011 is now to be paid out in March 2012, Commission spokesman Olivier Bailly said.



A further 10 billion euros that Greece was originally to receive in March this year, will now be paid only in June and all of those sums can also be delayed if inspectors judge Athens is failing to deliver promised fiscal reforms.



"That cannot be changed," Bailly said, referring to the three month rhythm in paying out tranches of the first Greek rescue programme.



Last year, Athens repeatedly said it faced the risk of defaulting if the EU and IMF did not pay out scheduled tranches. Europe's political leaders have made it clear that as long as Greece meets criteria on reforms, it will be financed as necessary by the EU and IMF, but investors with money in Greek bonds are watching its cashflow closely.



The payouts are part of the aid that Athens has been promised under a 110 billion joint EU/IMF financing programme in 2010 in exchange for fiscal austerity and structural reforms that are to make public finances of the highly indebted country sustainable.



Out of the total, 73 billion euros have already been paid, and 37 billion remain to be disbursed.



The delay in the payout of the money last year, which meant 8 billion euros from September were only paid out in December, was caused by Greece's failure to keep up with its commitments to implement austerity and structural reforms.



Bailly said that if Greece fails to meet the aid conditions again, more delays in pay-outs would follow. A team of EU and IMF inspectors will visit Greece on January 14-16 to verify reform progress.



"If our mission in mid-January concludes that there is a delay in progress, we would have to review March (payment due then)," Bailly said.



Euro zone leaders agreed on a second, 130 billion euro financing programme for Greece in October to maintain the country's access to emergency financing for longer after initial expectations that Athens would be able to return to markets in March 2012 proved optimistic.



But details of the second programme, which includes a 50 percent haircut on Greek bonds held by private investors, are still under negotiation.

Sure enough, the EURUSD is now firmly under 1.28 as the printers are starting their warm up sequence.

[UnionJack]

Ze zijn helemaal aan't zot worden nu.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...be-act-of-war-


UK NEWS


‘IF CAMERON BLOCKS EU TREATY IT WILL BE ACT OF WAR’


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact”


Sunday January 8,2012


By Ted Jeory


Have your say(51)


DAVID Cameron has three weeks to decide whether to bless a new eurozone treaty or use Britain’s veto and place the country in a “very grave position”, a senior observer warned last night.
Peter Ludlow, president of the *European Strategy Forum think tank, said Germany and France are confident they will secure a deal to save the long‑term future of the euro by the end of this month.

That would mean tougher financial rules for members of the eurozone and the use of existing EU institutions to enforce them, a move Mr Cameron has indicated is a step too far.

However, veteran EU analyst Mr Ludlow said one “very senior member” of the European Council had told him that if Britain were to try to block the deal it would be “tantamount to a declaration of war”.

He said: “If Cameron is stupid enough to try and block the use of the institutions it would be a very, very dramatic development which could only have grave consequences in terms of *Britain’s own interests. It would be his nuclear weapon and that’s why all the messages I get from various people give the impression he will not do that.”


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact”


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact” that commits countries to running a balanced budget.


They want the rules enshrined in EU law so that sanctions can be *levied on any member breaching them.

That would mean a bigger role for the European Court of Justice and un-elected European Commission, which would also have a larger say on the *single market, not just matters relating to the euro.


Mr Cameron said on Friday he would be against such a development but Mr Ludlow, who lectures around the world on EU affairs, told the Sunday Express: “The Germans and the French are absolutely serious.


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“They are confident they can get the political agreement on this treaty by the end of this month and they will go ahead. I don’t think for a moment that Britain will join this scheme within 50 years, let alone five. However, I don’t think there is much that *Cameron can do.

“I don’t think there is any intention of the *Germans or French or anyone else of pushing Britain out of the EU but there is nevertheless a realistic assessment that the *British may edge themselves out or at least redefine their position in such a basic way that they are to all intents and purposes in another category of membership.”

Mr Ludlow also questioned the description of Mr Cameron’s “veto” at talks in Brussels last month. He said: “He didn’t veto, the negotiations were terminated by his partners who could see he had no negotiating position.”

A leaked version of the draft fiscal compact reveals that countries will “agree on a stronger coordination of economic policies, involving an enhanced governance to foster fiscal discipline and deeper integration in the internal market as well as stronger growth”.

[eno2]

However, no agreement has yet been reached. It must be based on the terms of the 26/27 October EU Summit, which means a 50% haircut on a voluntary basis.

9/10 kansen dat er een 100% haircut komt en weeral opgelost

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Ze zijn helemaal aan't zot worden nu.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...be-act-of-war-


UK NEWS


‘IF CAMERON BLOCKS EU TREATY IT WILL BE ACT OF WAR’


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact”


Sunday January 8,2012


By Ted Jeory


Have your say(51)


DAVID Cameron has three weeks to decide whether to bless a new eurozone treaty or use Britain’s veto and place the country in a “very grave position”, a senior observer warned last night.
Peter Ludlow, president of the *European Strategy Forum think tank, said Germany and France are confident they will secure a deal to save the long‑term future of the euro by the end of this month.

That would mean tougher financial rules for members of the eurozone and the use of existing EU institutions to enforce them, a move Mr Cameron has indicated is a step too far.

However, veteran EU analyst Mr Ludlow said one “very senior member” of the European Council had told him that if Britain were to try to block the deal it would be “tantamount to a declaration of war”.

He said: “If Cameron is stupid enough to try and block the use of the institutions it would be a very, very dramatic development which could only have grave consequences in terms of *Britain’s own interests. It would be his nuclear weapon and that’s why all the messages I get from various people give the impression he will not do that.”


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact”


German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy want a new “fiscal compact” that commits countries to running a balanced budget.


They want the rules enshrined in EU law so that sanctions can be *levied on any member breaching them.

That would mean a bigger role for the European Court of Justice and un-elected European Commission, which would also have a larger say on the *single market, not just matters relating to the euro.


Mr Cameron said on Friday he would be against such a development but Mr Ludlow, who lectures around the world on EU affairs, told the Sunday Express: “The Germans and the French are absolutely serious.


SEARCH UK NEWS for:


“They are confident they can get the political agreement on this treaty by the end of this month and they will go ahead. I don’t think for a moment that Britain will join this scheme within 50 years, let alone five. However, I don’t think there is much that *Cameron can do.

“I don’t think there is any intention of the *Germans or French or anyone else of pushing Britain out of the EU but there is nevertheless a realistic assessment that the *British may edge themselves out or at least redefine their position in such a basic way that they are to all intents and purposes in another category of membership.”

Mr Ludlow also questioned the description of Mr Cameron’s “veto” at talks in Brussels last month. He said: “He didn’t veto, the negotiations were terminated by his partners who could see he had no negotiating position.”

A leaked version of the draft fiscal compact reveals that countries will “agree on a stronger coordination of economic policies, involving an enhanced governance to foster fiscal discipline and deeper integration in the internal market as well as stronger growth”.

Nuts! Wat een bende...

Jawel, het is de Euro of oorlog... Wat meer kun je verwachten van de leiders van deze falende superstaat, dan total fearmongering en afpersing...

Sarkozy waarschuwt voor vrede in Europa


Gepubliceerd: vrijdag 6 januari 2012 20:25
Update: vrijdag 6 januari 2012 21:06
De Franse president Nicolas Sarkozy heeft vrijdag gewaarschuwd voor een mogelijk donkere toekomst van Europa. Na een ontmoeting met de Italiaanse premier Mario Monti riep hij op de eenheid te bewaren en de euro te redden.

Lees ook:

Euro naar laagste punt sinds september 2010


,,Wij mogen Europa niet laten vallen. De euro vormt het hart van Europa. Als de euro wordt vernietigd, gaat heel Europa in rook op. Als Europa in rook opgaat, bedreigt dat in de toekomst ook de vrede op ons continent''. Volgens Sarkozy hebben Parijs en Rome wel ,,exact dezelfde'' kijk op de toekomst van Europa en op de manier waarop de crisis moet worden opgelost.

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[eno2]

Gefragmenteerde nationale Staten in Europa is WOIII

Een ezel stoot zich geen twee keer aan dezelfde steen.

Ultra-nationalisten wel

[eno2]

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U kan gelijk hebben maar onderschat het niet he; even goed mogelijk dat men de agenda toch doordrukt en de neerwaartse spiraal nog een lange tijd aanhoudt.
Ander scenario is dat er even een adempauze komt nu maar dat zal niet wegnemen dat er nadien hetzelfde weer uitbreekt maar dan 10 keer erger en dan mogen we ons vasthouden aan de takken van de bomen.

Dan kunnen we opnieuw beginnen met een draadje "ENDGAME"

[Dazi Martina]

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Gefragmenteerde nationale Staten in Europa is WOIII

Een ezel stoot zich geen twee keer aan dezelfde steen.

Ultra-nationalisten wel

Liever een ultra nationalist dan een kosmopolitische overheidsslaaf zoals u maar mss hou je wel van sado masochisme...

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Gefragmenteerde nationale Staten in Europa is WOIII

Een ezel stoot zich geen twee keer aan dezelfde steen.

Ultra-nationalisten wel

WO III ? Iran ?

Waarom stond dat niet in het verdrag van Lisboa, dat er WOIII van komt ?
Kleine lettertjes ?

En dat in Europa nog wel...

Als er oorlog komt in de EU, dan zal dat een oorlog zijn van de burgers tegen de failliete deelstaten. En dat is geen fear mongering.

Europese landen zonder Euro
Albanië
Bosnië en Herzegovina
Bulgarije
Denemarken
Hongarije
IJsland
Kroatië
Letland
Liechtenstein
Litouwen
Macedonië
Moldavië
Noorwegen
Oekraïne
Polen
Roemenië
Servië
Tsjechië
Turkije
Verenigd Koninkrijk
Wit-Rusland (Belarus)
Zweden
Zwitserland


En toch geen oorlog daar... de redenering gaat niet op.

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Europese beurzen zakken weg

,,De onzekerheid is erg groot. Beleggen in Europa wordt minder aantrekkelijk als de euro blijft dalen.''

De AEX noteerde tegen het middaguur 0,5 procent hoger op 312,61 punten. De MidKap-index won 0,7 procent tot 474,10 punten. De beurzen in Londen en Frankfurt verloren tot 0,3 procent. Parijs noteerde een plus van 0,1 procent.

Der Spiegel

Over de Europese schuldencrisis kwamen gedurende het weekeinde een aantal negatieve berichten naar buiten. Zo schreef het Duitse blad Der Spiegel zondag dat het IMF zijn vertrouwen begint te verliezen in het vermogen van Griekenland om de schulden te reduceren. Beleggers hebben maandag geen hooggespannen verwachtingen van een ontmoeting in Berlijn tussen de Duitse bondskanselier Angela Merkel en de Franse president Nicolas Sarkozy.

De Italiaanse bank Unicredit daalde maandagochtend 9 procent, nadat het vorige week al drie sessies op een rij meer dan 10 procent moest inleveren. De bank kondigde vorige week een aandelenemissie aan tegen een fikse korting. ,,Dit zouden meer banken kunnen gaan doen om hun balanstotaal te versterken. Het is slecht nieuws voor beleggers, maar goed nieuws voor obligatiehouders'', aldus Plomp.