Israel gebruikt witte fosfor in Gaza

ministe van agitatie · 5 januari 2009, 23:40

Chemische oorlogsvoering dus in het dichtsbevolkte gebied ter wereld door middel van witte fosfor dat hetzelfde effect heeft als napalm ...

Waarom geen gifgas eigenlijk ?

bronnen:
The Times
Huffington Post
De Morgen
Het Nieuwsblad

American Samiszdat

Press TV

Ze gebruikten het eerder al in Libanon. Hier nog een andere bron. Dat maakt het bericht des te geloofwaardiger.

Nog een interessante bron van informatie.

ministe van agitatie · 6 januari 2009, 01:07

Al Jazeera bevestigt de bevindingen en toont beelden van verbrande, verhakkelde en vermoorde kinderen. Tientallen ...

The horror, the horror, ...

Jarno · 6 januari 2009, 01:31

Wedden dat hier mensen gaan beweren dat ze het zelf gezocht hebben of dat het een leugen is!

ministe van agitatie · 6 januari 2009, 01:38

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jarno

Wedden dat hier mensen gaan beweren dat ze het zelf gezocht hebben of dat het een leugen is!

Of dat het kerstversiering is. Of nieuwjaarsvuurwerk.

Hoogmoed · 6 januari 2009, 01:49

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jarno

Wedden dat hier mensen gaan beweren dat ze het zelf gezocht hebben of dat het een leugen is!

inderdaad, het ontkennen van deze genocide zou strafbaar moeten gemaakt worden!

filosoof · 6 januari 2009, 01:52

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie

Chemische oorlogsvoering dus in het dichtsbevolkte gebied ter wereld door middel van witte fosfor dat hetzelfde effect heeft als napalm ...

Waarom geen gifgas eigenlijk ?

bronnen:
The Times
Huffington Post
De Morgen
Het Nieuwsblad

American Samiszdat

Press TV

Ze gebruikten het eerder al in Libanon. Hier nog een andere bron. Dat maakt het bericht des te geloofwaardiger.

Nog een interessante bron van informatie.

Zoals de US dus in Irak(BBC) en het U.K. ook in Irak(BBC)

Beschaving, zei iemand?

ministe van agitatie · 6 januari 2009, 02:06

En dan komen ze met hun argument: "ja maar da's niet illegaal, zenne..."

Andy · 6 januari 2009, 02:08

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie

En dan komen ze met hun argument: "ja maar da's niet illegaal, zenne..."

Misschien moest de witte fosfor wel dienen om de hennepvelden in Gaza te verwoesten.

Jarno · 6 januari 2009, 02:18

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie

En dan komen ze met hun argument: "ja maar da's niet illegaal, zenne..."

Maar wel immoreel!

Hoogmoed · 6 januari 2009, 02:21

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie

Chemische oorlogsvoering dus in het dichtsbevolkte gebied ter wereld door middel van witte fosfor dat hetzelfde effect heeft als napalm ...

Waarom geen gifgas eigenlijk ?

Nog een interessante bron van informatie.

ik... ik... heb hier geen woorden voor .....

filosoof · 6 januari 2009, 03:11

Hoe men tot zoiets gruwelijks komt:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5454712.ece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rocket_attacks
http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&sa...G=Zoeken&meta=

Nr.10 · 6 januari 2009, 05:28

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie

Al Jazeera bevestigt de bevindingen en toont beelden van verbrande, verhakkelde en vermoorde kinderen. Tientallen ...

The horror, the horror, ...

In de VS komen die beelden er nooit ofte nimmer door.
Nochtans, wat Al Jazeera toont kan overal getoond worden.

Distel · 6 januari 2009, 06:30

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hoogmoed

inderdaad, het ontkennen van deze genocide zou strafbaar moeten gemaakt worden!

Onzin, censuur hoort thuis in dictaturen.

Nr.10 · 6 januari 2009, 07:18

Citaat:

Ondertussen bombarderen Tzipi Livni en Ehud Barak - ministers van Buitenlandse Zaken en Defensie - massaal verder, hopend dat Hamas verdwijnt, maar vooral zeker dat hun optreden hen massaal stemmen zal opleveren bij de verkiezingen volgende maand. Veel moraliteit moet je van hen niet verwachten, het zijn Oost-Europese kolonisten van de tweede generatie. Barak heet oorspronkelijk Berkovitsj en Livni heette Benozovitsj. Hij leidde in de jaren tachtig enkele Israëlische doodseskaders en zij maakte toen deel uit van een Mossadgroep die in Europa Palestijnen vermoordde. Voor hen telt een mensenleven niet, zeker niet dat van een 'inboorling'.

Zie: Artikel

Over Livni en Barak ...

ministe van agitatie · 6 januari 2009, 10:20

Nog een interessante visie van een joods/Israëlisch Professor

Despite It's Military Might, Israel is a Weak and Dying State
The Self-Defense of Suicide

By OREN BEN-DOR

Echoing Lebanon 2006, the people of Gaza are being butchered by murderous pilots of a murderous state. Ground forces will soon butcher many more. This widely-expected repetition of Israel's large scale violence is carried out after a long process that was triggered when Israel unilaterally cleared its settlements and ground presence from Gaza only to create what has been described as a remote-controlled human zoo. Israel has maintained total control over Gaza's borders, its air and sea space, its economy, its electricity, food and medical supplies. The people of Gaza have been starved, humiliated and constantly intimidated. However, whether the withdrawal was well-intended or not engages little with the reasons rockets are being defiantly shot at the Israeli towns of Sderot, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva.

Beyond achieving very short term relief from rocket attacks the scale of Israel's violence is question-begging and thought provoking. Israel's actions, justified by the "no choice" (ein brera) and "self-defence" rhetoric, can temporarily put the lid on the volcano of hatred around Israel and within it but, after the initial shock and awe, it is surely destined to bring much more violence.

Assassinating individual members of Hamas, even toppling the organisation, destroying its infrastructure and buildings, will not destroy the legitimate opposition to the arrogant and self-righteous Zionist entity. No army, however well equipped and trained, can win a combat against increasing number of people who no longer have any reason to care about dying. If there was hatred against Israelis before the Gaza massacre, the hatred after it will be of a different order of magnitude.

Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state? What, do Israelis imagine, will be achieved by this massacre? There must be something which is suppressed here. There must be, for Israelis, some being and thinking which is preserved, indeed defended, by the pathology of provoking a permanent state of violence against them. What kind of self-righteousness conditions this self-destructive desire to be hated?

Gaza itself gives us a clue. Many of the Palestinians who live in Gaza are descendants of 750000 refugees who were expelled in 1948 from what is now the Jewish state. Ashkelon is built on the ruins of the Palestinian village of al-Majdal whose people were expelled in 1948, many to Gaza. Only by such massive ethnic cleansing could a state with a Jewish majority and character be established. Any just realisation of the refugees' internationally recognised right of return would effectively mean the end of the Zionist project. Those who choose to return would not merely threaten the Jewish majority. Upon return, they would surely press demands for equal citizenship. In so doing, they would challenge the foundational discriminatory premise of the Jewish state, which assigns a different stake in the state to all those who pass a test of Jewishness, whether they live in the country or elsewhere. Thus, for the same reason that Israel discriminates against its own non-Jewish Arab citizens, it will prevent the return of the refugees.

The proliferation and dominance of the self-defence discourse and its by-product - the uncritical acceptance of the legitimacy of the Israeli state - successfully hide the fact that Israel itself is an apartheid state which is based on an apartheid (separation) premise. In the name of this apartheid premise, occupation, dispossession and discrimination affected all Palestinians whether in Gaza, the West Bank, in Israel itself or indeed all over the world.

Thus, what is in fact being "preserved" is the unwillingness, or rather the inability, of Israelis to question their own state's apartheid foundation. The concealing mantra about Hamas's rocket firing versus Israel's legitimate self-defence cynically conscripts both the Palestinians of Gaza and the Israelis of Sderot. Shielding the Jewish state's unwillingness to deal with colonial and racist Zionism is more important than all of them.

Accepting the right of Israel to securely exist as a Jewish state has now become the bench mark for political moderation. Obama is already singing the song. Egalitarian anti-Zionists who challenge that right readily fail the test. This anti-Zionist voice is inclusive and moderate. It insists that injustices to Palestinians stem from the very premise of statehood that Israel is based on. Injustices to Palestinians encompass the whole of historic Palestine in a way which cannot be partitioned so that they become visible only in the territories, including Gaza, which Israel occupied in 1967. Let us, then, break the idle chatter about self-defence that merely levels "criticisms" against Israel but by that legitimises it: the origin of the violence in Gaza is intimately linked to the manner the Israeli state came into being and to the continuing toleration of the apartheid premise at its very essence. Israel should not be "reformed" or "condemned" but replaced with a single egalitarian structure over all historic Palestine.

Israel needs a continuing cycle of violence. As long as this cycle is provoked through daily oppression, Israelis can sustain that haven in which they can unite behind their inability to examine their apartheid mentality. Violence maintains a zone in which that existential threat of old stifles any possibility for genuine empathy and egalitarian self-reflection. At the same time, violence is a necessary means for entrenching the purported legitimacy of what is claimed to be the only alternative to this violence. That alternative is no other than the "surprisingly" failing, "sane", "reasonable" and "moderate" "peace process" towards two states, a process which aims to legitimise the apartheid state once and for all. The discourse has been hijacked in such a way that the urgent calls for the immediate cessation of violence resuscitate that non-starter, the essentially unjust two states project that will ensure the continuation of violence.

Alas, the pathology of generating violence against oneself, violence that suspends reflection on the core apartheid, succeeds only at the price of generating enormous hatred. The Israeli pathology will bring about, stealthily and fatefully, that which the Israelis fear most.There is indeed "no choice" for the nationalistic project of the eternal victims but to commit suicide with those whom they oppress.

The sublimated Zionist desire to be hated is the fuel of Israel's unity and self-righteousness. This self-destructive nature, concealed as a desire for self defence, comes from deep and ancient forces of which Zionism is merely a symptom and a hint. That which preserves these self-destructive forces ensures that the eternal victims' apartheid nationalisticproject will be a fleeting phenomenon. When arrested in mere nationalism, primordial victim mentality self preserves by generating collective suicide of that nationalistic project. The self-defence of suicide points out the uniqueness of the Israeli apartheid. Both the no-choice and the self-defence rhetoric contain a chilling chronicle of suicide foretold. Despite its military might, Israel is a weak and dying state that desires to destroy itself. The most powerful nations in the world assist this suicidal process and this fact calls for urgent contemplation.

Oren Ben-Dor grew up in Israel and teaches Legal and Political Philosophy at the School of Law, University of Southampton, UK. His latest book, Thinking About Law: In Silence with Heidegger, was published in 2007 by Hart Publishing, Oxford. He can be reached at: [email protected]

kilgore · 8 januari 2009, 14:26

Over die witte fosfor wordt ook veel desinformatie gedaan door het antiwesterse soort.Idem als voor de clustermunitie.

barfo · 8 januari 2009, 14:29

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

Onzin, censuur hoort thuis in dictaturen.

vind ik ook, weg met de holocau$t wetten

Steben · 8 januari 2009, 14:31

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kilgore

Over die witte fosfor wordt ook veel desinformatie gedaan door het antiwesterse soort.Idem als voor de clustermunitie.

zoals the times?

kilgore · 8 januari 2009, 14:36

Witte fosfor wordt gewoon gebruikt voor doelmarkering en als rookgordijn.
Al de rest is verbeelding van het aniwesterse legioen.

Gforce · 8 januari 2009, 14:53

Witte fosfor, kunt ge dat snuiven?

5 januari 2009, 23:40	#1
ministe van agitatie Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 9 november 2006 Berichten: 8.593	Israel gebruikt witte fosfor in Gaza Chemische oorlogsvoering dus in het dichtsbevolkte gebied ter wereld door middel van witte fosfor dat hetzelfde effect heeft als napalm ... Waarom geen gifgas eigenlijk ? bronnen: The Times Huffington Post De Morgen Het Nieuwsblad American Samiszdat Press TV Ze gebruikten het eerder al in Libanon. Hier nog een andere bron. Dat maakt het bericht des te geloofwaardiger. Nog een interessante bron van informatie. __________________ • نريد ثورة- • we want revolution • Laatst gewijzigd door ministe van agitatie : 5 januari 2009 om 23:42.

6 januari 2009, 01:07	#2
ministe van agitatie Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 9 november 2006 Berichten: 8.593	Al Jazeera bevestigt de bevindingen en toont beelden van verbrande, verhakkelde en vermoorde kinderen. Tientallen ... The horror, the horror, ... __________________ • نريد ثورة- • we want revolution •

6 januari 2009, 01:31	#3
Jarno Parlementsvoorzitter Geregistreerd: 28 september 2006 Locatie: Hasselt Berichten: 2.020	Wedden dat hier mensen gaan beweren dat ze het zelf gezocht hebben of dat het een leugen is! __________________ "Het hele probleem met de wereld is dat dwazen en fanatici altijd zo zeker van zichzelf zijn, en wijze mensen toch zo vol van twijfel." Bertrand RUSSEL

6 januari 2009, 02:06	#7
ministe van agitatie Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 9 november 2006 Berichten: 8.593	En dan komen ze met hun argument: "ja maar da's niet illegaal, zenne..." __________________ • نريد ثورة- • we want revolution •

6 januari 2009, 03:11	#11
filosoof Banneling Geregistreerd: 22 mei 2003 Locatie: Brussel Berichten: 49.496	Hoe men tot zoiets gruwelijks komt: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5454712.ece http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rocket_attacks http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&sa...G=Zoeken&meta= Laatst gewijzigd door filosoof : 6 januari 2009 om 03:25.

6 januari 2009, 10:20	#15
ministe van agitatie Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 9 november 2006 Berichten: 8.593	The Self-Defense of Suicide Nog een interessante visie van een joods/Israëlisch Professor Despite It's Military Might, Israel is a Weak and Dying State The Self-Defense of Suicide By OREN BEN-DOR Echoing Lebanon 2006, the people of Gaza are being butchered by murderous pilots of a murderous state. Ground forces will soon butcher many more. This widely-expected repetition of Israel's large scale violence is carried out after a long process that was triggered when Israel unilaterally cleared its settlements and ground presence from Gaza only to create what has been described as a remote-controlled human zoo. Israel has maintained total control over Gaza's borders, its air and sea space, its economy, its electricity, food and medical supplies. The people of Gaza have been starved, humiliated and constantly intimidated. However, whether the withdrawal was well-intended or not engages little with the reasons rockets are being defiantly shot at the Israeli towns of Sderot, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva. Beyond achieving very short term relief from rocket attacks the scale of Israel's violence is question-begging and thought provoking. Israel's actions, justified by the "no choice" (ein brera) and "self-defence" rhetoric, can temporarily put the lid on the volcano of hatred around Israel and within it but, after the initial shock and awe, it is surely destined to bring much more violence. Assassinating individual members of Hamas, even toppling the organisation, destroying its infrastructure and buildings, will not destroy the legitimate opposition to the arrogant and self-righteous Zionist entity. No army, however well equipped and trained, can win a combat against increasing number of people who no longer have any reason to care about dying. If there was hatred against Israelis before the Gaza massacre, the hatred after it will be of a different order of magnitude. Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state? What, do Israelis imagine, will be achieved by this massacre? There must be something which is suppressed here. There must be, for Israelis, some being and thinking which is preserved, indeed defended, by the pathology of provoking a permanent state of violence against them. What kind of self-righteousness conditions this self-destructive desire to be hated? Gaza itself gives us a clue. Many of the Palestinians who live in Gaza are descendants of 750000 refugees who were expelled in 1948 from what is now the Jewish state. Ashkelon is built on the ruins of the Palestinian village of al-Majdal whose people were expelled in 1948, many to Gaza. Only by such massive ethnic cleansing could a state with a Jewish majority and character be established. Any just realisation of the refugees' internationally recognised right of return would effectively mean the end of the Zionist project. Those who choose to return would not merely threaten the Jewish majority. Upon return, they would surely press demands for equal citizenship. In so doing, they would challenge the foundational discriminatory premise of the Jewish state, which assigns a different stake in the state to all those who pass a test of Jewishness, whether they live in the country or elsewhere. Thus, for the same reason that Israel discriminates against its own non-Jewish Arab citizens, it will prevent the return of the refugees. The proliferation and dominance of the self-defence discourse and its by-product - the uncritical acceptance of the legitimacy of the Israeli state - successfully hide the fact that Israel itself is an apartheid state which is based on an apartheid (separation) premise. In the name of this apartheid premise, occupation, dispossession and discrimination affected all Palestinians whether in Gaza, the West Bank, in Israel itself or indeed all over the world. Thus, what is in fact being "preserved" is the unwillingness, or rather the inability, of Israelis to question their own state's apartheid foundation. The concealing mantra about Hamas's rocket firing versus Israel's legitimate self-defence cynically conscripts both the Palestinians of Gaza and the Israelis of Sderot. Shielding the Jewish state's unwillingness to deal with colonial and racist Zionism is more important than all of them. Accepting the right of Israel to securely exist as a Jewish state has now become the bench mark for political moderation. Obama is already singing the song. Egalitarian anti-Zionists who challenge that right readily fail the test. This anti-Zionist voice is inclusive and moderate. It insists that injustices to Palestinians stem from the very premise of statehood that Israel is based on. Injustices to Palestinians encompass the whole of historic Palestine in a way which cannot be partitioned so that they become visible only in the territories, including Gaza, which Israel occupied in 1967. Let us, then, break the idle chatter about self-defence that merely levels "criticisms" against Israel but by that legitimises it: the origin of the violence in Gaza is intimately linked to the manner the Israeli state came into being and to the continuing toleration of the apartheid premise at its very essence. Israel should not be "reformed" or "condemned" but replaced with a single egalitarian structure over all historic Palestine. Israel needs a continuing cycle of violence. As long as this cycle is provoked through daily oppression, Israelis can sustain that haven in which they can unite behind their inability to examine their apartheid mentality. Violence maintains a zone in which that existential threat of old stifles any possibility for genuine empathy and egalitarian self-reflection. At the same time, violence is a necessary means for entrenching the purported legitimacy of what is claimed to be the only alternative to this violence. That alternative is no other than the "surprisingly" failing, "sane", "reasonable" and "moderate" "peace process" towards two states, a process which aims to legitimise the apartheid state once and for all. The discourse has been hijacked in such a way that the urgent calls for the immediate cessation of violence resuscitate that non-starter, the essentially unjust two states project that will ensure the continuation of violence. Alas, the pathology of generating violence against oneself, violence that suspends reflection on the core apartheid, succeeds only at the price of generating enormous hatred. The Israeli pathology will bring about, stealthily and fatefully, that which the Israelis fear most.There is indeed "no choice" for the nationalistic project of the eternal victims but to commit suicide with those whom they oppress. The sublimated Zionist desire to be hated is the fuel of Israel's unity and self-righteousness. This self-destructive nature, concealed as a desire for self defence, comes from deep and ancient forces of which Zionism is merely a symptom and a hint. That which preserves these self-destructive forces ensures that the eternal victims' apartheid nationalisticproject will be a fleeting phenomenon. When arrested in mere nationalism, primordial victim mentality self preserves by generating collective suicide of that nationalistic project. The self-defence of suicide points out the uniqueness of the Israeli apartheid. Both the no-choice and the self-defence rhetoric contain a chilling chronicle of suicide foretold. Despite its military might, Israel is a weak and dying state that desires to destroy itself. The most powerful nations in the world assist this suicidal process and this fact calls for urgent contemplation. Oren Ben-Dor grew up in Israel and teaches Legal and Political Philosophy at the School of Law, University of Southampton, UK. His latest book, Thinking About Law: In Silence with Heidegger, was published in 2007 by Hart Publishing, Oxford. He can be reached at: [email protected] __________________ • نريد ثورة- • we want revolution •

8 januari 2009, 14:26	#16
kilgore Banneling Geregistreerd: 9 mei 2007 Berichten: 578	Over die witte fosfor wordt ook veel desinformatie gedaan door het antiwesterse soort.Idem als voor de clustermunitie.

8 januari 2009, 14:36	#19
kilgore Banneling Geregistreerd: 9 mei 2007 Berichten: 578	Witte fosfor wordt gewoon gebruikt voor doelmarkering en als rookgordijn. Al de rest is verbeelding van het aniwesterse legioen.

8 januari 2009, 14:53	#20
Gforce Banneling Geregistreerd: 4 januari 2009 Berichten: 177	Witte fosfor, kunt ge dat snuiven?