Was John Lennon een wedergeboren christen?

Argusx43 · 18 september 2012, 21:43

Hoorde dit van Larry Norman bij een optreden. Verrassend en dan weer niet. Wisten we al van Ringo ook , maar dus John Lennon nog Christen geworden? Hij zei het zelf in ieder geval. Later door de invloed van Yoko der weer wat van afgeweken misschien maar toch....God is getrouw.

John Lennon: One of Jesus' "Biggest Fans"

http://www.cbn.com/entertainment/Boo...hn_lennon.aspx

And though this is the first time many Beatles fans have heard this particular conversation, Lennon’s interest in Christ was no secret in the early ‘70s. In his book, The Gospel According to the Beatles, writer Steve Turner said that there was a period in his life when the world’s most famous songwriter deeply wanted to know who Jesus was. According to the book, in an effort to escape the chaos of public life, Lennon would often retreat to television and became a regular viewer of the era’s most influential evangelists including Billy Graham, Oral Roberts and even Pat Robertson.

In 1972, Lennon even took part in a written correspondence with Roberts, in which he apologized and further explained his statement about being “bigger” than God. The Beatles frontman, who had experimented with a variety of drugs and spiritual ideas wrote this to Roberts:

“The point is this, I want happiness. I don't want to keep on with drugs. Paul told me once, 'You made fun of me for taking drugs, but you will regret it in the end.' Explain to me what Christianity can do for me. Is it phoney? Can He love me? I want out of hell."

Oral Roberts sent him a long response, giving him a copy of his book Miracle of Seed Faith and a detailed explanation of God’s love for him.

Five years later, in 1977, Lennon became deeply moved by NBC’s broadcast of the movie Jesus of Nazareth and told his friends that he had become a born-again Christian. A week after seeing the film, Lennon returned to church on Easter Sunday with his wife Yoko and son Sean in tow.

It was during this time that Lennon even penned several Christian songs (“Talking with Jesus” and “Amen”), and according to Turner’s book, even called The 700 Club prayer line.

The change in his life disturbed his wife Yoko Ono, who pulled her husband away from his new religion, and eventually, after months of isolation in Tokyo, Lennon found his life going in a dark direction, and ended up abandoning his faith and retreating into New Age practice and further searching. Before he was murdered in 1980, Lennon embraced a universalistic belief of religion and no longer seemed interested in his born-again lifestyle.

Derk de Tweede · 19 september 2012, 12:15

Luister zelf en oordeel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXd25Jqi7G0

You say, you found Jesus Christ
He's the only one
You say, you've found Buddha
Sittin' in the sun

You say, you found Mohammed
Facin' to the East
You say, you found Krishna
Dancin' in the streets

Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew
And it's your mother
(Your mother, don't forget your mother, lad)
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you

You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you
Well, you may believe in devils and you may believe in Lords
But if you don't go out and serve yourself, lad
Ain't no room service here

It's still the same old story
A bloody Holy War
A fight for love and glory
Ain't gonna study war no more

A fight for God and country
We're gonna set you free
We'll put you back in the stone Age
If you won't be like me, get it?

You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
Well you may believe in devils and you may believe in Lords

But Christ, you're gonna have to serve yourself
And that's all there is to it
So get right back here it's in the bloody fridge
God, when I was a kid

Didn't have stuff like this
TV-fuckin' dinners and all that crap
You fuckin' kids are all the fuckin' same!
Want a fuckin' car now, lucky to have a pair of shoes!

You tell me, you found Jesus Christ
Well that's great and he's the only one
You say, you just found Buddha
Sittin' on his ass in the sun

You say, you found Mohammed
Kneeling on a bloody carpet facin' the East
You say, you found Krishna
With a bald head dancin' in the street
(Well, Christ, now you're being heard)

You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
(That's right, lad, you better get that straight into your fuckin' head)
You got to serve yourself
(You know that, who else is gonna do it for you, it ain't me, I tell you that)

Well, you may believe in Jesus and you may believe in Marx
And you may believe in Marks and Spencer's
And you may believe in bloody Woolworths
But there's something missing in this whole bloody stew

And it's your mother, your poor bloody mother
(She what bore you in the back bedroom
Full of piss and shit and fuckin' midwives
God, you can't forget that awful moment
You know, you should have been in the bloody war, lad
And you would know all about it, well, I'll tell you something)

It's still the same old story
A Holy bloody War, you know with the Pope and all that stuff
A fight for love and glory
Ain't gonna study no more war

A fight for God and country and the Queen and all that
We're gonna set you free
Bomb you back into the fuckin' Stone Age
If you won't be like me, you know, get down on your knees and pray

Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew
And it's your goddamn mother you dirty little git
Now get in there and wash yer ears!

Read more: JOHN LENNON - SERVE YOURSELF LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/serve-you...#ixzz26ugWBGIW
Copied from MetroLyrics.com

Klein Licht · 19 september 2012, 16:24

Ik denk niet dat er aan de post van Derk nog veel toe te voegen valt

Het is spijtig te zien dat christenen dezelfde weg bewandelen als de moslims, die zijn er ook niet vies van om na de dood van een bekend figuur te claimen dat die zich in het geniep tot moslim had bekeerd...

Maar goed, de Mormonen zijn natuurlijk de strafste van allemaal.

Argusx43 · 19 september 2012, 19:07

De man twijfelde , en luisterde blijkbaar meer naar z'n vrouw dan naar die Stem van binnen. Hij moet wel iets gesmaakt hebben van vergeving, en beseft hebben dat eigengerechtigheid niet werkt.

Johan Bollen · 19 september 2012, 19:21

Ik dacht dat Lennon vermoord werd door zo'n 'overijverige' christen.

Mensen zich een wereld doen dromen zonder hemel... een gevaar voor bepaalde op macht beluste georganiseerde religies.

Argusx43 · 19 september 2012, 19:57

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

Ik dacht dat Lennon vermoord werd door zo'n 'overijverige' christen.

Mensen zich een wereld doen dromen zonder hemel... een gevaar voor bepaalde op macht beluste georganiseerde religies.

Het was een fan van hem.

Johan Bollen · 19 september 2012, 20:04

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Argusx43

Het was een fan van hem.

Gij zult niet doden, weet je wel. Jammer dat niet meer christenen dit gebod respecteren. Kijk maar naar de vele oorlogen die ze goedpraten.

Derk de Tweede · 21 september 2012, 22:04

Van het album - John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band: God

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman (= Bob Dylan)
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dream weaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over

Derk de Tweede · 21 september 2012, 22:08

Feit blijft dat hij ondanks zijn zeer goede muziek en vooral teksten soms behoorlijk tegenstrijdig kon zijn.
Hij heeft zijn eerste zoon, Julian Lennon en zijn moeder Cynthia Powell slecht behandeld.

Merkwaardig is dan weer deze tekst:

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us
If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that she's above us

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave of the slaves
Ah, yeah...better scream about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yeah...alright...hit it!

We insult her every day on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance

Derk de Tweede · 21 september 2012, 22:12

McCartney op het Album Ram, Too many people

by Paul McCartney

Too Many People Going Underground
Too Many Reaching For A Piece Of Cake
Too Many People Pulled And Pushed Around
Too Many Waiting For That Lucky Break
That Was Your First Mistake
You Took Your Lucky Break And Broke It In Two
Now What Can Be Done For You
You Broke It In Two

Too Many People Sharing Party Lines
Too Many People Never Sleeping Late
Too Many People Paying Parking Fines
Too Many Hungry People Losing Weight

That Was Your First Mistake
You Took Your Lucky Break And Broke It In Two
Now What Can Be Done For You
You Broke It In Two

Too Many People Preaching Practices
Don't Let Them Tell You What You Wanna Be
Too Many People Holding Back, This Is
Crazy And Maybe It's Not Like Me

That Was Your Last Mistake
I Find My Love Awake And Waiting To Be
Now What Can Be Done For You
She's Waiting For Me

Derk de Tweede · 21 september 2012, 22:16

Lennon's antwoord, vooral de gitaarsolo van George Harrison in dit nummer moet wrang zijn geweest.
How do you sleep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK7CLXHSr1M

So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise
You better see right through that mother's eyes
Those freaks was right when they said you was dead
The one mistake you made was in your head
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

You live with straights who tell you you was king
Jump when your momma tell you anything
The only thing you done was "Yesterday"
And since you're gone you're just "Another day"
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

A pretty face may last a year or two
But pretty soon they'll see what you can do
The sound you make is muzak to my ears
You must have learned something in all those years
Ah, how do you sleep?
Ah, how do you sleep at night?

18 september 2012, 21:43	#1
Argusx43 Minister Geregistreerd: 25 mei 2006 Berichten: 3.659	Was John Lennon een wedergeboren christen? Hoorde dit van Larry Norman bij een optreden. Verrassend en dan weer niet. Wisten we al van Ringo ook , maar dus John Lennon nog Christen geworden? Hij zei het zelf in ieder geval. Later door de invloed van Yoko der weer wat van afgeweken misschien maar toch....God is getrouw. John Lennon: One of Jesus' "Biggest Fans" http://www.cbn.com/entertainment/Boo...hn_lennon.aspx And though this is the first time many Beatles fans have heard this particular conversation, Lennon’s interest in Christ was no secret in the early ‘70s. In his book, The Gospel According to the Beatles, writer Steve Turner said that there was a period in his life when the world’s most famous songwriter deeply wanted to know who Jesus was. According to the book, in an effort to escape the chaos of public life, Lennon would often retreat to television and became a regular viewer of the era’s most influential evangelists including Billy Graham, Oral Roberts and even Pat Robertson. In 1972, Lennon even took part in a written correspondence with Roberts, in which he apologized and further explained his statement about being “bigger” than God. The Beatles frontman, who had experimented with a variety of drugs and spiritual ideas wrote this to Roberts: “The point is this, I want happiness. I don't want to keep on with drugs. Paul told me once, 'You made fun of me for taking drugs, but you will regret it in the end.' Explain to me what Christianity can do for me. Is it phoney? Can He love me? I want out of hell." Oral Roberts sent him a long response, giving him a copy of his book Miracle of Seed Faith and a detailed explanation of God’s love for him. Five years later, in 1977, Lennon became deeply moved by NBC’s broadcast of the movie Jesus of Nazareth and told his friends that he had become a born-again Christian. A week after seeing the film, Lennon returned to church on Easter Sunday with his wife Yoko and son Sean in tow. It was during this time that Lennon even penned several Christian songs (“Talking with Jesus” and “Amen”), and according to Turner’s book, even called The 700 Club prayer line. The change in his life disturbed his wife Yoko Ono, who pulled her husband away from his new religion, and eventually, after months of isolation in Tokyo, Lennon found his life going in a dark direction, and ended up abandoning his faith and retreating into New Age practice and further searching. Before he was murdered in 1980, Lennon embraced a universalistic belief of religion and no longer seemed interested in his born-again lifestyle. __________________ Do you know, my son, with what little understanding the world is ruled? Pope Julius III 1550-1555 (1487 - 1555)

19 september 2012, 12:15	#2
Derk de Tweede Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Ergens tussen Dollard en Duinkerken Berichten: 37.539	Luister zelf en oordeel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXd25Jqi7G0 You say, you found Jesus Christ He's the only one You say, you've found Buddha Sittin' in the sun You say, you found Mohammed Facin' to the East You say, you found Krishna Dancin' in the streets Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew And it's your mother (Your mother, don't forget your mother, lad) You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do it for you You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do it for you Well, you may believe in devils and you may believe in Lords But if you don't go out and serve yourself, lad Ain't no room service here It's still the same old story A bloody Holy War A fight for love and glory Ain't gonna study war no more A fight for God and country We're gonna set you free We'll put you back in the stone Age If you won't be like me, get it? You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you Well you may believe in devils and you may believe in Lords But Christ, you're gonna have to serve yourself And that's all there is to it So get right back here it's in the bloody fridge God, when I was a kid Didn't have stuff like this TV-fuckin' dinners and all that crap You fuckin' kids are all the fuckin' same! Want a fuckin' car now, lucky to have a pair of shoes! You tell me, you found Jesus Christ Well that's great and he's the only one You say, you just found Buddha Sittin' on his ass in the sun You say, you found Mohammed Kneeling on a bloody carpet facin' the East You say, you found Krishna With a bald head dancin' in the street (Well, Christ, now you're being heard) You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you You got to serve yourself Ain't nobody gonna do for you (That's right, lad, you better get that straight into your fuckin' head) You got to serve yourself (You know that, who else is gonna do it for you, it ain't me, I tell you that) Well, you may believe in Jesus and you may believe in Marx And you may believe in Marks and Spencer's And you may believe in bloody Woolworths But there's something missing in this whole bloody stew And it's your mother, your poor bloody mother (She what bore you in the back bedroom Full of piss and shit and fuckin' midwives God, you can't forget that awful moment You know, you should have been in the bloody war, lad And you would know all about it, well, I'll tell you something) It's still the same old story A Holy bloody War, you know with the Pope and all that stuff A fight for love and glory Ain't gonna study no more war A fight for God and country and the Queen and all that We're gonna set you free Bomb you back into the fuckin' Stone Age If you won't be like me, you know, get down on your knees and pray Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew And it's your goddamn mother you dirty little git Now get in there and wash yer ears! Read more: JOHN LENNON - SERVE YOURSELF LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/serve-you...#ixzz26ugWBGIW Copied from MetroLyrics.com __________________

19 september 2012, 19:07	#4
Argusx43 Minister Geregistreerd: 25 mei 2006 Berichten: 3.659	De man twijfelde , en luisterde blijkbaar meer naar z'n vrouw dan naar die Stem van binnen. Hij moet wel iets gesmaakt hebben van vergeving, en beseft hebben dat eigengerechtigheid niet werkt. __________________ Do you know, my son, with what little understanding the world is ruled? Pope Julius III 1550-1555 (1487 - 1555)

19 september 2012, 19:21	#5
Johan Bollen Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 11 januari 2008 Locatie: La Paz - Lanaken Berichten: 23.618	Ik dacht dat Lennon vermoord werd door zo'n 'overijverige' christen. Mensen zich een wereld doen dromen zonder hemel... een gevaar voor bepaalde op macht beluste georganiseerde religies. __________________ Website

21 september 2012, 22:04	#8
Derk de Tweede Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Ergens tussen Dollard en Duinkerken Berichten: 37.539	Van het album - John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band: God God is a concept By which we measure Our pain I don't believe in magic I don't believe in I-Ching I don't believe in Bible I don't believe in tarot I don't believe in Hitler I don't believe in Jesus I don't believe in Kennedy I don't believe in Buddha I don't believe in mantra I don't believe in Gita I don't believe in yoga I don't believe in kings I don't believe in Elvis I don't believe in Zimmerman (= Bob Dylan) I don't believe in Beatles I just believe in me Yoko and me And that's reality The dream is over What can I say? The dream is over Yesterday I was the dream weaver But now I'm reborn I was the Walrus But now I'm John And so dear friends You just have to carry on The dream is over __________________ Laatst gewijzigd door Derk de Tweede : 21 september 2012 om 22:08.

19 september 2012, 16:24	#3
Klein Licht Minister-President Geregistreerd: 30 september 2011 Berichten: 5.484	Ik denk niet dat er aan de post van Derk nog veel toe te voegen valt Het is spijtig te zien dat christenen dezelfde weg bewandelen als de moslims, die zijn er ook niet vies van om na de dood van een bekend figuur te claimen dat die zich in het geniep tot moslim had bekeerd... Maar goed, de Mormonen zijn natuurlijk de strafste van allemaal.

21 september 2012, 22:08	#9
Derk de Tweede Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Ergens tussen Dollard en Duinkerken Berichten: 37.539	Feit blijft dat hij ondanks zijn zeer goede muziek en vooral teksten soms behoorlijk tegenstrijdig kon zijn. Hij heeft zijn eerste zoon, Julian Lennon en zijn moeder Cynthia Powell slecht behandeld. Merkwaardig is dan weer deze tekst: Woman is the nigger of the world Yes she is...think about it Woman is the nigger of the world Think about it...do something about it We make her paint her face and dance If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man While putting her down, we pretend that she's above us Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with Woman is the slave of the slaves Ah, yeah...better scream about it We make her bear and raise our children And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen We tell her home is the only place she should be Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with Woman is the slave to the slaves Yeah...alright...hit it! We insult her every day on TV And wonder why she has no guts or confidence When she's young we kill her will to be free While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb Woman is the nigger of the world Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with Woman is the slave to the slaves Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it We make her paint her face and dance We make her paint her face and dance We make her paint her face and dance We make her paint her face and dance We make her paint her face and dance We make her paint her face and dance __________________

21 september 2012, 22:12	#10
Derk de Tweede Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Ergens tussen Dollard en Duinkerken Berichten: 37.539	McCartney op het Album Ram, Too many people by Paul McCartney Too Many People Going Underground Too Many Reaching For A Piece Of Cake Too Many People Pulled And Pushed Around Too Many Waiting For That Lucky Break That Was Your First Mistake You Took Your Lucky Break And Broke It In Two Now What Can Be Done For You You Broke It In Two Too Many People Sharing Party Lines Too Many People Never Sleeping Late Too Many People Paying Parking Fines Too Many Hungry People Losing Weight That Was Your First Mistake You Took Your Lucky Break And Broke It In Two Now What Can Be Done For You You Broke It In Two Too Many People Preaching Practices Don't Let Them Tell You What You Wanna Be Too Many People Holding Back, This Is Crazy And Maybe It's Not Like Me That Was Your Last Mistake I Find My Love Awake And Waiting To Be Now What Can Be Done For You She's Waiting For Me __________________

21 september 2012, 22:16	#11
Derk de Tweede Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 28 januari 2005 Locatie: Ergens tussen Dollard en Duinkerken Berichten: 37.539	Lennon's antwoord, vooral de gitaarsolo van George Harrison in dit nummer moet wrang zijn geweest. How do you sleep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK7CLXHSr1M So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise You better see right through that mother's eyes Those freaks was right when they said you was dead The one mistake you made was in your head Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? You live with straights who tell you you was king Jump when your momma tell you anything The only thing you done was "Yesterday" And since you're gone you're just "Another day" Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? A pretty face may last a year or two But pretty soon they'll see what you can do The sound you make is muzak to my ears You must have learned something in all those years Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? __________________