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Oud 15 september 2006, 01:55   #1
Willem-Jan Markerink
 
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Standaard Ratz!....:))

Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
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Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
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CAIRO, Egypt (Reuters) -- Muslim leaders have condemned Pope Benedict over
comments he made about Islam on a visit to Germany and demanded he
apologize.

The head of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood called on Islamic
countries to threaten to break off relations with the Vatican unless the
pontiff withdrew his remarks.

And a top religious figure in Turkey suggested the pope should reconsider a
trip he was planning to Turkey later this year.

The Vatican issued a statement to say the Pope had never meant to offend
Islam.

In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict quoted
criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine
Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought
was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith
he preached."

Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war", repeatedly quoted
Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence was
unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and
the nature of the soul."

The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, whose organization
is one of the oldest, largest and most influential in the Arab world, said
the pope "aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world and strengthened the
argument of those who say that the West is hostile to everything Islamic."

"The general guide (Akef) expressed his surprise that such comments should
come from someone who sits at the summit of the Catholic Church and who has
an influence over public opinion in the West," a statement on the Muslim
Brotherhood's official Web site, www.ikhwanonline.com, said.

The Vatican press office said in a statement the pope had not intended to
carry out an in-depth study of jihad (holy war) and Muslim thinking about
it, "even less to offend the sensitivity of the Muslim faithful."

"It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a position of
respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures, and that clearly
includes Islam," the statement by chief Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi
said.

He said a careful reading of the pope's lecture would show that "what
really matters to the Holy Father is a clear and radical rejection of
religious motives for violence."

In Turkey, the Anatolian state news agency quoted Ali Bardakoglu, the head
of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, as describing the
pope's words as "extremely regrettable".

"I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who thinks in
this way about the holy prophet of Islam. He should first rid himself of
feelings of hate," NTV's Web site quoted Bardakoglu as saying.

Bardakoglu, whose directorate controls all imams in Turkey and sends prayer
leaders to Turkish communities abroad, recalled atrocities committed by
Roman Catholic Crusaders during the Middle Ages in the name of their faith
against Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.

Benedict is due to visit Turkey, an avowedly secular state whose population
is predominantly Muslim, in November at the invitation of President Ahmet
Necdet Sezer.

In Qatar, prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi rejected the
pope's comments and said Islam was a religion of peace and reason.

"Muslims have the right to be angry and hurt by these comments from the
highest cleric in Christianity," Qaradawi told Al Jazeera television. "We
ask the pope to apologize to the Muslim nation for insulting its religion,
its prophet and its beliefs."

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand

<[email protected]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
 
Oud 15 september 2006, 06:45   #2
Mdmeenken
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))


"Willem-Jan Markerink" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]. ..
> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
> Adjust font size:
> Decrease fontDecrease font
> Enlarge fontEnlarge font
>
> CAIRO, Egypt (Reuters) -- Muslim leaders have condemned Pope Benedict over
> comments he made about Islam on a visit to Germany and demanded he
> apologize.
>
> The head of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood called on Islamic
> countries to threaten to break off relations with the Vatican unless the
> pontiff withdrew his remarks.
>
> And a top religious figure in Turkey suggested the pope should reconsider
> a
> trip he was planning to Turkey later this year.
>
> The Vatican issued a statement to say the Pope had never meant to offend
> Islam.
>
> In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict quoted
> criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine
> Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought
> was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the
> faith
> he preached."
>
> Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war", repeatedly quoted
> Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence was
> unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and
> the nature of the soul."
>
> The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, whose organization
> is one of the oldest, largest and most influential in the Arab world, said
> the pope "aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world and strengthened
> the
> argument of those who say that the West is hostile to everything Islamic."
>
> "The general guide (Akef) expressed his surprise that such comments should
> come from someone who sits at the summit of the Catholic Church and who
> has
> an influence over public opinion in the West," a statement on the Muslim
> Brotherhood's official Web site, www.ikhwanonline.com, said.
>
> The Vatican press office said in a statement the pope had not intended to
> carry out an in-depth study of jihad (holy war) and Muslim thinking about
> it, "even less to offend the sensitivity of the Muslim faithful."
>
> "It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a position
> of
> respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures, and that
> clearly
> includes Islam," the statement by chief Vatican spokesman Federico
> Lombardi
> said.
>
> He said a careful reading of the pope's lecture would show that "what
> really matters to the Holy Father is a clear and radical rejection of
> religious motives for violence."
>
> In Turkey, the Anatolian state news agency quoted Ali Bardakoglu, the head
> of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, as describing the
> pope's words as "extremely regrettable".
>
> "I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who thinks in
> this way about the holy prophet of Islam. He should first rid himself of
> feelings of hate," NTV's Web site quoted Bardakoglu as saying.
>
> Bardakoglu, whose directorate controls all imams in Turkey and sends
> prayer
> leaders to Turkish communities abroad, recalled atrocities committed by
> Roman Catholic Crusaders during the Middle Ages in the name of their faith
> against Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
>
> Benedict is due to visit Turkey, an avowedly secular state whose
> population
> is predominantly Muslim, in November at the invitation of President Ahmet
> Necdet Sezer.
>
> In Qatar, prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi rejected the
> pope's comments and said Islam was a religion of peace and reason.
>
> "Muslims have the right to be angry and hurt by these comments from the
> highest cleric in Christianity," Qaradawi told Al Jazeera television. "We
> ask the pope to apologize to the Muslim nation for insulting its religion,
> its prophet and its beliefs."
>
> --
> Bye,
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink
>
> The desire to understand
> is sometimes far less intelligent than
> the inability to understand
>
> <[email protected]>
> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]


de bekende pot verwijt de ketel


 
Oud 15 september 2006, 07:45   #3
E Tolstoj
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))


"Willem-Jan Markerink" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. ..
> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx

(...)
> Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war", repeatedly quoted
> Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence was
> unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and
> the nature of the soul."


Jeez, zou hij dan echt nog nooit in het oude testament hebben gekeken? Hij
moet toch op zijn minst mensen kènnen die hem konden vertellen over de
zondvloed, Sodom, de plagen van Egypte, Job, de strijd tegen de Midjanieten
en al die andere onschuldige niet-Jahwehieten...

E Tolstoj


 
Oud 15 september 2006, 08:55   #4
Eva
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..



> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
> Adjust font size:
> Decrease fontDecrease font
> Enlarge fontEnlarge font
>
> CAIRO, Egypt (Reuters) -- Muslim leaders have condemned Pope Benedict
> over comments he made about Islam on a visit to Germany and demanded
> he apologize.
>
> The head of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood called on Islamic
> countries to threaten to break off relations with the Vatican unless
> the pontiff withdrew his remarks.
>
> And a top religious figure in Turkey suggested the pope should
> reconsider a trip he was planning to Turkey later this year.
>
> The Vatican issued a statement to say the Pope had never meant to
> offend Islam.
>
> In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict
> quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century
> Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything
> Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread
> by the sword the faith he preached."
>
> Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war", repeatedly quoted
> Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence was
> unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of
> God and the nature of the soul."
>
> The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, whose
> organization is one of the oldest, largest and most influential in
> the Arab world, said the pope "aroused the anger of the whole Islamic
> world and strengthened the argument of those who say that the West is
> hostile to everything Islamic."
>
> "The general guide (Akef) expressed his surprise that such comments
> should come from someone who sits at the summit of the Catholic
> Church and who has an influence over public opinion in the West," a
> statement on the Muslim Brotherhood's official Web site,
> www.ikhwanonline.com, said.
>
> The Vatican press office said in a statement the pope had not
> intended to carry out an in-depth study of jihad (holy war) and
> Muslim thinking about it, "even less to offend the sensitivity of the
> Muslim faithful."
>
> "It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a
> position of respect and dialogue towards other religions and
> cultures, and that clearly includes Islam," the statement by chief
> Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said.
>
> He said a careful reading of the pope's lecture would show that "what
> really matters to the Holy Father is a clear and radical rejection of
> religious motives for violence."
>
> In Turkey, the Anatolian state news agency quoted Ali Bardakoglu, the
> head of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, as
> describing the pope's words as "extremely regrettable".
>
> "I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who
> thinks in this way about the holy prophet of Islam. He should first
> rid himself of feelings of hate," NTV's Web site quoted Bardakoglu as
> saying.
>
> Bardakoglu, whose directorate controls all imams in Turkey and sends
> prayer leaders to Turkish communities abroad, recalled atrocities
> committed by Roman Catholic Crusaders during the Middle Ages in the
> name of their faith against Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as
> Muslims.
>
> Benedict is due to visit Turkey, an avowedly secular state whose
> population is predominantly Muslim, in November at the invitation of
> President Ahmet Necdet Sezer.
>
> In Qatar, prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi
> rejected the pope's comments and said Islam was a religion of peace
> and reason.
>
> "Muslims have the right to be angry and hurt by these comments from
> the highest cleric in Christianity," Qaradawi told Al Jazeera
> television. "We ask the pope to apologize to the Muslim nation for
> insulting its religion, its prophet and its beliefs."



 
Oud 15 september 2006, 19:15   #5
Achim
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:48:10 +0200, "Eva" <[email protected]> wrote:


>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006


<KNIP>

>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)


>Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..


Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat ij
vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal over deze
kwestie.
Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.

Achim
-----
Tenebrae factae
 
Oud 15 september 2006, 20:45   #6
Achim
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:37:32 +0200, "Eva" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>>>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006

>>
>> <KNIP>
>>
>>>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)

>>
>>> Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..

>>
>> Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat ij
>> vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal over deze
>> kwestie.
>> Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
>> Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.
>> Achim

>
>Ik bespeur enige ironie..


Je meent het ...

 
Oud 15 september 2006, 20:45   #7
Eva
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

>>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006

>
> <KNIP>
>
>>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)

>
>> Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..

>
> Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat ij
> vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal over deze
> kwestie.
> Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
> Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.
> Achim


Ik bespeur enige ironie..



 
Oud 15 september 2006, 20:55   #8
Eva
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

>>>>>
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>>>>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
>>>
>>> <KNIP>
>>>
>>>>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>>>
>>>> Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..
>>>
>>> Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat ij
>>> vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal over
>>> deze kwestie.
>>> Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
>>> Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.
>>> Achim

>>
>> Ik bespeur enige ironie..

>
> Je meent het ...


De paus en de kerk hebben alleen nog nieuwswaarde omdat men erover
schrijft..


 
Oud 15 september 2006, 20:55   #9
Achim
 
Berichten: n/a
Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:47:04 +0200, "Eva" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>>>

>http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>>>>>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
>>>>
>>>> <KNIP>
>>>>
>>>>>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>>>>
>>>>> Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..
>>>>
>>>> Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat ij
>>>> vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal over
>>>> deze kwestie.
>>>> Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
>>>> Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.
>>>> Achim
>>>
>>> Ik bespeur enige ironie..

>>
>> Je meent het ...

>
>De paus en de kerk hebben alleen nog nieuwswaarde omdat men erover
>schrijft..


Hier lijkt het vraagstuk van de kip en het ei aan de orde te komen....

Achim
---------------
Tenebrae factae
 
Oud 15 september 2006, 21:25   #10
Eva
 
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Standaard Re: Ratz!....:))

>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
>>>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Muslims blast pope's Islam speech
>>>>>>> POSTED: 6:50 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006
>>>>>
>>>>> <KNIP>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zegt het ene sprookje tegen het andere sprookje....)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wauw wat een nieuwswaarde..
>>>>>
>>>>> Tja, je kunt er van vinden wat je wilt natuurlijk, maar het gaat
>>>>> ij vrijwel alle media over de hele wereld momenteel toch nogal
>>>>> over deze kwestie.
>>>>> Dat zal wel zijn omdat het geen nieuwswaarde heeft.
>>>>> Ze hadden jou daarover eerst moeten raadplegen, natuurlijk.
>>>>> Achim
>>>>
>>>> Ik bespeur enige ironie..
>>>
>>> Je meent het ...

>>
>> De paus en de kerk hebben alleen nog nieuwswaarde omdat men erover
>> schrijft..

>
> Hier lijkt het vraagstuk van de kip en het ei aan de orde te komen....
> Achim


De kerk is allang passee en wordt nog wat meer passee met elke uitspraak van
de paus. Het is onbegrijpelijk dat de media nog aandacht besteden aan de
leider van deze sekte..


 
 


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