Gorbachev: Europa moet Amerika NU halt toeroepen en de wereldorde op zaken stellen

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Globalist Gorbachev maakt zich terecht zorgen over de nieuwe wereldorde en blijft er op hameren, de triomf van de Amerikanen is hun na de Koude Oorlog naar het hoofd gestegen en ze maken er ondertussen een behoorlijk zooitje van.

Europa moet NU de leiding nemen. Een nieuwe wereldorde moet vanuit Europa groeien, eerst binnen Europa zelf en nadien naar de rest van de wereld toe.

Het is de taak van Europa om deze oorlogsstokers te stoppen, nieuwe mensen zullen opdagen... Gorbachev beschikt reeds over de samenwerking van een groep invloedrijke Amerikanen welke ook graag 'deze verandering' zouden zien.

Het kon gedurende de jaren 80 onder moeilijkere omstandigheden, dus kan dat nu zonder problemen opnieuw gebeuren redeneert Gorbi, desescalatie nu!

RT - Gorbachev: It’s up to Europe to prevent new Cold War between US and Russia
1 december 2014

With the US still intoxicated by its Cold War “triumph” and pushing everyone to take an anti-Russian position, Europe must become the locomotive of shaping the new world order, former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev said.

"We must to go back to the starting line, from which we began building a new world both in Europe and elsewhere,” Gorbachev said in an interview with the TASS news agency.

The former Soviet leader recalled his meeting with US President George Bush Sr. in Malta on December 23, 1989.

During the talks, which took place several weeks after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the two leaders overcame their divisions and acknowledged the end of the Cold War.

“There are signs of Cold War” in the recent cooling down of relations between Moscow and Washington over Russia’s accession of the Crimea and the turmoil in Ukraine, Gorbachev said.

"We can and we must stop this whole process, like we did in the 1980s. We opted for de-escalation, for the unification [of Germany]. And back then it was a lot tougher than now. So why can’t we do it again?” he said.

According to Gorbachev, the “new world order” after the Cold War allowed major powers to quickly solve a lot of longtime conflicts around the globe.

The 83-year-old political veteran believes that it’s the White House which is to blame for the current tensions with the Kremlin.

The Americans decided that they’ve won the Cold War and they are still intoxicated by this “triumph,” he said.

"I don’t want to praise the current Russian authorities too much. It also makes a lot of mistakes, but today the danger comes from the US stance,” Gorbachev said.

Russia went through extremely difficult times after the collapse of the USSR and the Americans took advantage of the situation, but now the situation has changed, Gorbachev said.

"It’s good that the president [Vladimir Putin] now cares about security, defense capability, development of new weapons and modernization of the military. We are now well armed. And if necessary we can strike back. But this isn’t the case right now. There are signs of a new Cold War and this process must be stopped,” Gorbachev said.

What is happening now is “unacceptable,” Gorbachev said, adding that “fences are being built around us, pushing [the international community] towards the anti-Russia path.”

The rise of anti-Russian moods in various countries – including Germany, which had good relations with Moscow in recent decades – always happens “in the presence and due to instigation from the American side,” Gorbachev said.

“But I think there’s still time. People will turn up, who’ll have the strength to stop this and start building a new world order that would meet the challenges faced by the international community," he said.

According to Gorbachev, international NGOs should play a significant role in preventing a new Cold War.

“We must stop those war-hungry militarists,” Gorbachev said.

He explained that he himself was ready to contribute to the resolution of tensions between Russia and the US, with a group of “important influential people from US” being interested in his involvement.

“I have some ideas,” he said, expressing the opinion that the process of de-escalation should begin in Europe.

"Europe can have a very positive impact on the situation. After all, it must become the locomotive in the creation of the new world. But now Europe is being pushed in an opposite direction,” Gorbachev said.

Gorbachev has come back into the spotlight in recent months, making several high-profile comments on international events and the crisis in Ukraine.

He called Russia’s incorporation of Ukraine’s Republic of Crimea a correction of a Soviet-era mistake, condemned Kiev’s military operation in southeastern Ukraine and called US President Barack Obama “a lame duck” for rounding off his second White House term in a “mediocre” way.

Werk aan de winkel, Europa! Free Europe!

[Stoute Jos]

Globalist Gorbachev wijst andere Globalisten terecht?
Wat voor zever is me dat nu?
Je bent globalist dus ja gaat akkoord met de nieuwe wereldorde Zo simpel is het!
Gorbachev is vooral een komediant!

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Globalist Gorbachev wijst andere Globalisten terecht?
Wat voor zever is me dat nu?
Je bent globalist dus ja gaat akkoord met de nieuwe wereldorde Zo simpel is het!
Gorbachev is vooral een komediant!

Blijkbaar bestaat er enige verdeeldheid onder de globalisten over hoe deze nieuwe wereldorde bereikt moet worden. M.b.v. chaos of verstand?

Zelfs Henry Kissinger waarschuwt Het Westen voor hun gevaarlijke fouten.


spiegel.de - Interview with Henry Kissinger: 'Do We Achieve World Order Through Chaos or Insight?'

C/P, het volledige interview:

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Kissinger recently published his 17th book, a work with the not exactly modest title "World Order." When preparing to sit down with us for an interview, he asked that "world order" be the topic. Despite his German roots and the fact that he reads DER SPIEGEL each week on his iPad, Kissinger prefers to speak in English. After 90 minutes together in New York, Kissinger says he's risked his neck with everything he's told us. But of course, a man like Kissinger knows precisely what he does and doesn't want to say.

SPIEGEL: Dr. Kissinger, when we look at the world today, it seems to be messier than ever -- with wars, catastrophes and chaos everywhere. Is the world really in greater disorder than ever before?

Kissinger: It seems that it is. There is chaos threatening us, through the spread of weapons of mass destruction and cross-border terrorism. There is now a phenomenon of ungoverned territories, and we have seen in Libya, for example, that an ungoverned territory can have an enormous impact on disorder in the world. The state as a unit is under attack, not in every part of the world, but in many parts of it. But at the same time, and this seems to be a paradox, this is the first time one can talk about a world order at all.

SPIEGEL: What do you mean by that?

Kissinger: For the greatest part of history until really the very recent time, world order was regional order. This is the first time that different parts of the world can interact with every part of the world. This makes a new order for the globalized world necessary. But there are no universally accepted rules. There is the Chinese view, the Islamic view, the Western view and, to some extent, the Russian view. And they really are not always compatible.

SPIEGEL: In your new book, you frequently point to the Westphalian Peace Treaty of 1648 as a reference system for world order, as a result of the Thirty Years' War. Why should a treaty dating back more than 350 years still be relevant today?

Kissinger: The Westphalian Peace was made after almost a quarter of the Central European population perished because of wars, disease and hunger. The treaty was based on the necessity to come to an arrangement with each other, not on some sort of superior morality. Independent nations decided not to interfere in the affairs of other states. They created a balance of power which we are missing today.

SPIEGEL: Do we need another Thirty Years' War to create a new world order?

Kissinger: Well, that's a very good question. Do we achieve a world order through chaos or through insight? One would think that the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the dangers of climate change and terrorism should create enough of a common agenda. So I would hope that we can be wise enough not to have a Thirty Years' War.

SPIEGEL: So let's talk about a concrete example: How should the West react to the Russian annexation of Crimea? Do you fear this might mean that borders in the future are no longer incontrovertible?

Kissinger: Crimea is a symptom, not a cause. Furthermore, Crimea is a special case. Ukraine was part of Russia for a long time. You can't accept the principle that any country can just change the borders and take a province of another country. But if the West is honest with itself, it has to admit that there were mistakes on its side. The annexation of Crimea was not a move toward global conquest. It was not Hitler moving into Czechoslovakia.

SPIEGEL: What was it then?

Kissinger: One has to ask one's self this question: Putin spent tens of billions of dollars on the Winter Olympics in Sochi. The theme of the Olympics was that Russia is a progressive state tied to the West through its culture and, therefore, it presumably wants to be part of it. So it doesn't make any sense that a week after the close of the Olympics, Putin would take Crimea and start a war over Ukraine. So one has to ask one's self why did it happen?

SPIEGEL: What you're saying is that the West has at least a kind of responsibility for the escalation?

Kissinger: Yes, I am saying that. Europe and America did not understand the impact of these events, starting with the negotiations about Ukraine's economic relations with the European Union and culminating in the demonstrations in Kiev. All these, and their impact, should have been the subject of a dialogue with Russia. This does not mean the Russian response was appropriate.

SPIEGEL: It seems you have a lot of understanding for Putin. But isn't he doing exactly what you are warning of -- creating chaos in eastern Ukraine and threatening sovereignty?

Kissinger: Certainly. But Ukraine has always had a special significance for Russia. It was a mistake not to realize that.

SPIEGEL: Relations between the West and Russia are tenser now than they have been in decades. Should we be concerned about the prospects of a new Cold War?

Kissinger: There clearly is this danger, and we must not ignore it. I think a resumption of the Cold War would be a historic tragedy. If a conflict is avoidable, on a basis reflecting morality and security, one should try to avoid it.

SPIEGEL: But didn't the annexation of Crimea by Russia force the EU and US to react by imposing sanctions?

Kissinger: One, the West could not accept the annexation; some countermeasures were necessary. But nobody in the West has offered a concrete program to restore Crimea. Nobody is willing to fight over eastern Ukraine. That's a fact of life. So one could say we don't have to accept it, and we do not treat Crimea as a Russian territory under international law -- just as we continued to treat the Baltic states as independent throughout Soviet rule.

SPIEGEL: Would it be better to stop sanctions even without any concessions from the Russians?

Kissinger: No. But I do have a number of problems with the sanctions. When we talk about a global economy and then use sanctions within the global economy, then the temptation will be that big countries thinking of their future will try to protect themselves against potential dangers, and as they do, they will create a mercantilist global economy. And I have a particular problem with this idea of personal sanctions. And I'll tell you why. We publish a list of people who are sanctioned. So then, when the time comes to lift the sanctions, what are we going to say? "The following four people are now free of sanctions, and the other four are not." Why those four? I think one should always, when one starts something, think what one wants to achieve and how it should end. How does it end?

SPIEGEL: Doesn't that also apply to Putin, who has maneuvered himself into a corner? Does he act out of weakness or out of strength?

Kissinger: I think out of strategic weakness masked as tactical strength.

SPIEGEL: What does that mean for any interaction with him?

Kissinger: We have to remember that Russia is an important part of the international system, and therefore useful in solving all sorts of other crises, for example in the agreement on nuclear proliferation with Iran or over Syria. This has to have preference over a tactical escalation in a specific case. On the one hand it is important that Ukraine remain an independent state, and it should have the right to economic and commercial associations of its choice. But I don't think it's a law of nature that every state must have the right to be an ally in the frame work of NATO. You and I know that NATO will never vote unanimously for the entry of Ukraine.

SPIEGEL: But we cannot tell the Ukrainians that they are not free to decide their own future.

Kissinger: Why not?</sub>

Lees ook: RT - Kissinger warns of West’s ‘fatal mistake’ that may lead to new Cold War

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Gorbachev blijft zich zorgen maken 'om de wereld'. Hij waarschuwt nogmaals voor de nucleaire dreiging.

RT - Video - Mikhail Gorbachev to RT: America wanted to rule the world but lost its way
Gepubliceerd op 19 december 2014 door RT

The Ukrainian issue has intensified the tension that existed between the West and Russia: now, another Cold War is possibly lurking on the horizon. Are we to witness another stand-off - or will it be averted? The relations between Russia and the West seem to be stuck at dead-end, so is there hope common ground will emerge between the two? We ask these questions to the man who prides himself on ending the Cold War, the last leader of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev, on Sophie&Co today.

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Gorbachev vs. Soros?

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Gorbachev: Europa moet Amerika NU halt toeroepen en de wereldorde op zaken stellen

Europa vertegenwoordigt niets in de wereld. Een politieke en militaire dwerg. Niemand luistert nog naar Europa.

En naar Gorbatchev, met alle respect voor de man die de wereld hielp om het communisme eruit te schoppen, maar niemand die vandaag nog luistert naar die man.

Een scheetje in een babyfles.

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Europa vertegenwoordigt niets in de wereld. Een politieke en militaire dwerg. Niemand luistert nog naar Europa.

En naar Gorbatchev, met alle respect voor de man die de wereld hielp om het communisme eruit te schoppen, maar niemand die vandaag nog luistert naar die man.

Een scheetje in een babyfles.

Als je hem genoeg betaald komt hij naar je barbecue of verjaardagsfeestje.

[Antoon]

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Als je hem genoeg betaald komt hij naar je barbecue of verjaardagsfeestje.

En zegt precies wat je van hem verwacht.

[Max van Dietschland]

Er moet een regime verandering komen in de Europese landen. Wat men noemt "extreem rechts" moet aan de macht.

[Stoute Jos]

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Er moet een regime verandering komen in de Europese landen. Wat men noemt "extreem rechts" moet aan de macht.

Max, en de paus als Führer van Europa zeker?

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(Ex?) Globalist Gorbi waarschuwt terecht opnieuw.

"De wereld wordt vandaag overspoeld met problemen. Beleidsmakers lijken verward en verloren. Maar geen enkel probleem vandaag is prangender dan de militarisering van de politiek en de nieuwe wapenwedloop. Het stoppen en omkeren van deze vernietigende race moet onze topprioriteit zijn", begint Gorbatsjov zijn opiniestuk. "De huidige situatie is te gevaarlijk."

Hij wijst op de opbouw van militair materieel in Europa, en de groeiende spanningen tussen de Navo en Rusland. Gorbatsjov klaagt ook de toenemende militaire budgetten aan. "Terwijl staten moeite hebben om de belangrijkste sociale noden van hun bevolking te bekostigen, nemen de defensieuitgaven toe", hekelt hij. Bovendien gaat dat geld naar steeds destructievere massavernietigingswapens.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenl...p-oorlog.dhtml

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Europa vertegenwoordigt niets in de wereld. Een politieke en militaire dwerg. Niemand luistert nog naar Europa.

En naar Gorbatchev, met alle respect voor de man die de wereld hielp om het communisme eruit te schoppen, maar niemand die vandaag nog luistert naar die man.

Een scheetje in een babyfles.

De EU is het laatste globalistisch fort staande. Spoedig trekken ze allemaal naar China, indien ze er dan nog welkom zijn. NOT.

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Als je hem genoeg betaalt komt hij naar je barbecue of verjaardagsfeestje.

Fixed.

Ja. En dat klopt. Hoeveel legt U op tafel?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Max van Dietschland

Er moet een regime verandering komen in de Europese landen. Wat men noemt "extreem rechts" moet aan de macht.

Nog even geduld AUB.

[HOUZEE !]

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Europa vertegenwoordigt niets in de wereld. Een politieke en militaire dwerg. Niemand luistert nog naar Europa.

Was het maar waar ... ik heb eerder de indruk dat zowat alle slechte dingen in de wereld door Europa gestuurd worden.

[DucDEnghien]

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Fixed.

Ja. En dat klopt. Hoeveel legt U op tafel?

Naar jouw feestje komt hij zeker niet, armoezaaiers zoals jij hoeft hij niet.

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Naar jouw feestje komt hij zeker niet, armoezaaiers zoals jij hoeft hij niet.

Als welbekende DJ kan ik sinds 25 jaar op ruime belangstelling rekenen.

[DucDEnghien]

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Als welbekende DJ kan ik sinds 25 jaar op ruime belangstelling rekenen.

In je virtueel wereldje misschien. Daar lachen wij eens goed mee.

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In je virtueel wereldje misschien. Daar lachen wij eens goed mee.

LOL.

Ik heb verschillende muzieklabels ook, sta in voor de realisatie van megaprojecten ook. Zoals projectie op 'swerelds grootste wolkenkrabbers enzo. Grapjas.

[DucDEnghien]

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LOL.

Ik heb verschillende muzieklabels ook, sta in voor de realisatie van megaprojecten ook. Zoals projectie op 'swerelds grootste wolkenkrabbers enzo. Grapjas.

In je virtueel wereldje ja. Daar lachen we verder eens goed mee.