Pakistan vs de VS

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Onlangs ging men OBL in Pakistan oppikken en nu volgt dit

Pakistan is bijna klaar met het bouwen van een militaire reactor.


Satellite images reveal alarming speed Pakistan is rushing to finish weapons-grade nuclear reactor

New satellite images have shown the alarming speed at which Pakistan is constructing a weapons-grade nuclear reactor.
The aerial images, taken on April 20, show the rapid building progress of the fourth reactor to produce plutonium in Pakistan's Khushab facility.
The site was barren in 2009 and the facility 'costing billions' was undetectable by satellite just 17 months ago, but has since grown at an alarming rate.
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Alarming: The rate of construction at the Khushab nuclear facility has 'raised eyebrows' with US officials


The facility in Khushab is the fastest growing nuclear program in the world, with the speed of the latest reactor's construction prompting concern from U.S. officials.

Pakistan first revealed the Khushab site and its plutonium production facility in 1998 after the country’s first nuclear test.
Although the U.S. has provided Pakistan with $20 billion in military and economic aid since September 11, 2001, it has been said that there is 'no explanation' as to how Pakistan are paying for the latest reactor.

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dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388363/Satellite-images-reveal-alarming-speed-Pakistan-rushing-finish-weapons-grade-nuclear-reactor.html)

[Infowarrior]

Onlangs ging men OBL in Pakistan oppikken en nu volgt dit

Pakistan is bijna klaar met het bouwen van een militaire reactor.


De oorlogspropaganda draait weer op volle toeren! En ze weten niet hoe Pakistan dit allemaal betaalt? Je zal zien, het zal China zijn fout wel zijn.

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De oorlogspropaganda draait weer op volle toeren! En ze weten niet hoe Pakistan dit allemaal betaalt? Je zal zien, het zal China zijn fout wel zijn.

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Factbox: Ties between China and Pakistan

BEIJING | Tue May 17, 2011 1:06am EDT
(Reuters) - Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani will visit China from Tuesday, underscoring Beijing's support while fallout from the death of Osama bin Laden has strained relations between Islamabad and Washington.

Here are some facts about ties between China and Pakistan:

"ALL-WEATHER" PARTNERS

* China and Pakistan call each other "all-weather friends" and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbor, India, and a desire to hedge against U.S. influence across the region.

* After the United States killed Osama bin Laden -- the mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks -- in Pakistan on May 2, China called the event a "progressive development" but also defended the Pakistani government, which has been criticized in the U.S. for failing to find bin Laden, if not harboring him.

CONVENTIONAL ARMS, NUCLEAR POWER, PORT ACCESS

* China has been Pakistan's biggest supplier of conventional arms, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute's database, and many analysts believe China supported Pakistan's nuclear weapons program in past decades.

* China has helped Pakistan build its main nuclear power generation facility at Chashma in Punjab province, where a second, 330 MW unit started last week, and it has plans to build two more there, despite international misgivings about risks to nuclear safety and the integrity of non-proliferation rules.

* Last year, the China National Nuclear Corp said it was also in talks about building a separate 1-gigawatt atomic plant in Pakistan.

* China has helped build the deep-sea Gwadar port on Pakistan's Arabian Sea coast, partly with a view to opening up an energy and trade corridor from the Gulf, across Pakistan, to western China.

* According to a Pew Global Attitudes Project (pewglobal.org)

survey of Pakistani public opinion in 2010, 85 percent of respondents said they had a favorable view of China, and 3 percent said they had an unfavorable view.

By contrast, 17 percent had a favorable view of the United States, and 68 percent had an unfavorable view.

* Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has visited China frequently, and urged China to invest more in his country.

TRADE HOPES

* Annual two-way trade was worth $8.7 billion in 2010, a rise of 27.7 percent on the previous year, according to Chinese statistics.

* Trade flows go heavily in China's favor, and last year it exported goods worth $6.9 billion to Pakistan, a rise of 25.5 percent on 2009, while Chinese imports from Pakistan were worth $1.7 billion, a rise of 37.2 percent.

* Pakistani officials have recently said the two nations could increase bilateral trade to $15 billion a year by the end of 2012.

* China also helped build the Gwadar port in Baluchistan, and the Karakoram Highway, connecting northern Pakistan to far western China, which could be upgraded to provide a conduit for Chinese energy imports from other markets.

SECURITY CONCERNS

* China has urged mainly Muslim Pakistan to take action against Uighur militants from the western Chinese region of Xinjiang who have slipped in to Pakistan in past years.

* On July 5, 2009, deadly violence broke out between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese in Xinjiang, killing 197 people, many of them Han residents attacked by Uighurs. Pakistan deplored the riots, winning praise from China for its stance.

* The safety of Chinese nationals working in Pakistan has also been a major concern for China. Several Chinese workers were killed in militant attacks in Pakistan in recent years.

Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/us-china-pakistan-ties-idUSTRE74G0MY20110517)


China, het beste vriendje van Pakistan

Pakistani PM hails China as his country's 'best friend'

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has arrived in China on a four-day visit to commemorate 60 years of diplomatic ties between the countries.

Earlier, he described China as Pakistan's "best friend".

Although the visit was planned long ago, correspondents say it is especially timely for Islamabad because of strains with the US over the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
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BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13418957)

[D'ARTOIS]

(3) Ik denk dat het mogelijkis dat China geruisloos - of iets minder geruisloos - een front tegen de VS aan het opbouwen is in andere Aziatische landen.
Me name "the alarming rate" is nog veelzeggender dan de betaling.

De VS is maar voor één ding bang, en dat is voor landen die niet alleen kernwapens hebben, maar ook niet benauwd zijn om ze te gebruiken.
Vandaar dat het (de VS) NK angstvallig met rust laat. Dito voor Pakistan.

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50 nieuwe Chinese JF-17 Jets voor Karachi, snelle levering

China Gives Pakistan 50 Fighter Jets

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — China has agreed to immediately provide 50 JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, a major outcome of a visit by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to Beijing this week, Pakistani officials said Thursday.

China and Pakistan have jointly produced the JF-17 aircraft, but the new planes would be equipped with more sophisticated avionics, the officials said. The latest jet fighters would be paid for by China, they said.

The announcement came as Pakistan’s already tense relations with the United States soured further after the killing of Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan on May 2.

Last week, Pakistan’s spy chief denounced the United States in a rare briefing before Parliament in which he condemned the American raid for breaching Pakistan’s sovereignty. Parliament, in turn, called for the government to revisit relations with the United States.

Mr. Gilani’s visit to Beijing served as a pointed reminder of Pakistani suggestions that the government might seek to recalibrate relations with the United States, using China to offset what many here view as an overdependence on Washington.

The United States has provided Pakistan with some $20 billion in aid, mostly military, for its cooperation in fighting terrorism since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Much of that aid has come in the form of reimbursements for Pakistani counterterrorism operations.
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nytimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/asia/20pakistan.html?_r=3)


Step Aside US: Pakistan's New "Best Friend" China, To Provide Karachi With 50 New JF-17 Fighter Jets On Expedited Basis
zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/step-aside-us-pakistans-new-best-friend-china-provide-karachi-50-new-jf-17-fighter-jets-expe)

[kelt]

Het zou interessant zijn te weten te komen hoe Pakistan,een natie met een ondermaatse exportsector en immense sociaal-economische problemen, blijkbaar een volledig nucleair programma,(en dan hoogstwaarschijnlijk nog wel een militaire operatie) bekostigt...

Rivaal India kan dit uit eigen economische kracht..maar Pakistan?

We kunnen alleen maar raden dat dit wel ten koste moet gaan van nuttiger investeringen,of dat Pakistan die "nuttiger investeringen" volledig uit ontvangen steun- en ontwikkelingsgeld betaalt....

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Nog iemand die over nieuwe wapens klaagt


West 'causing drought' in Iran, says Ahmadinejad
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday accused Western countries of devising plans to "cause drought" in the Islamic republic, as he inaugurated a dam in a central province.
"Western countries have designed plans to cause drought in certain areas of the world, including Iran," the official IRNA news agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying in the central city of Arak in Markazi province.
"According to reports on climate, whose accuracy has been verified, European countries are using special equipment to force clouds to dump" their water on their continent, he said.
By doing so, "they prevent rain clouds from reaching regional countries, including Iran," Ahmadinejad charged.
Iran has experienced several droughts in recent years.
Ahmadinejad also recalled, according to IRNA, an article by "a Western politician", whom he did not identify, in which "droughts in some regions spanning from Turkey and Iran to east of Asia are predicted for the next 30 years."
"The regions (referred to in) the article... include countries whose culture and civilisation frighten the West," Ahmadinejad said in support of his argument.
Iranian leaders claim on a daily basis that Western countries, led by arch-foe United States, devise "plots" to undermine the Islamic republic and to impede its economic and scientific development.
They also accuse world powers of colluding against Iran's national unity, independence, political establishment, culture as well as international relations.
AFP (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/west-causing-drought-iran-says-ahmadinejad-102759149.html)

Geoengineering ?

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Ook Webster Tarpley geeft Pakistan de nodige aandacht in zijn programma 'World Crisis Radio' van 21 Mei 2011

WEBSTER TARPLEY - PAKISTAN IS THE ROAD TO WW3

Listen to Webster Tarpley highlight the serious dangers stemming from the Pakistan problems at this current time. This broadcast took place on May 21st 2011 on World Crisis Radio


Deel 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqKKGfeZucI)
Deel 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1FzFeyVXZ8)
Deel 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOehEKrGuLM)
Deel 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTFrx9VMX78)
Deel 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfhnWPu7u3w)
Deel 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD7CZcG5Pg)

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/22/us-obama-pakistan-idUSTRE74L0U320110522

President Obama windt er niet echt veel doekjes om;als vastgesteld wordt dat nog een "voorname militant" in Pakistan huist,dan zullen de VS die vogel komen halen of afschieten.....

Het wordt allemaal amper nog in diplomatieke taal verpakt : De VS heeft geen enkel vertrouwen meer in Pakistaanse overheidsinstellingen,die ze nochtans zo lang gefinancierd hebben...

Er is nog even tijd,maar ik acht het nu niet meer onmogelijk dat men de brokken met de builen gaat nemen (de Afghanistan-operaties die eigenlijk afhankelijk zijn van vlotte toegang over Pakistaans grondgebied),en de steun aan Pakistan begint te stoppen....(en als China bij die gelaatsdansers in Islamabad wil gaan zitten.....graag :twisted: ooit scheuren ze zich ook de broek )


tenzij natuurlijk....de Pakistaanse regering binnenkort enkele hoge personaliteiten van de inlichtingendiensten en de strijdkrachten kan laten aanwijzen als schuldigen.....
Het heeft geen enkele zin "normale" relaties te onderhouden met een "verkozen regering" als je weet dat dit eigenlijk NIET de machthebbers zijn...

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Pakistan wil dat China een marinebasis in Gwandar bouwt en ze verwachten dat het Chinees leger daar regelmatig aanwezig zal zijn

Pakistan turns to China for naval base
By Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad and Kathrin Hille in Beijing
Published: May 22 2011 13:22 | Last updated: May 22 2011 19:46

Pakistan has asked China to build a naval base at its south-western port of Gwadar and expects the Chinese navy to maintain a regular presence there, a plan likely to alarm both India and the US.
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“We have asked our Chinese brothers to please build a naval base at Gwadar,” Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar, Pakistan’s defence minister, told the Financial Times, confirming that the request was conveyed to China during a visit last week by Yusuf Raza Gilani, Pakistan’s prime minister.

Hitherto, China has shied away from moves that might alienate the US and Beijing’s neighbours, such as India, Malaysia and Indonesia. “China’s rise is a beneficial force for peace and we have no hegemonic ambitions,” said a Chinese official familiar with Beijing’s security policy.

But Christopher Yung, senior research fellow at National Defense University in Washington, said in a recent paper “the nature and degree of China’s access to out-of-area bases will be the ultimate indication and warning” of its eventual intention to become a global military power. A Pentagon official said: “We have questions and concerns about this development and [China’s] intentions. But that is why we believe it is important to have a healthy, stable and continuous military-to-military relationship.”

A senior Pakistani official familiar with Sino-Pakistani discussions on naval co-operation said: “The naval base is something we hope will allow Chinese vessels to regularly visit in [the] future and also use the place for repair and maintenance of their fleet in the [Indian Ocean region].”

Such a foothold would be the first overseas location offering support to the People’s Liberation Army navy for future out-of-area missions and so would be likely to reinforce international concerns over Beijing’s longer-term military ambitions.

“This will definitely be a ‘game changer’ in China’s defence and security relationships,” said Rahul Roy-Chaudhury, a south Asia security expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. “The construction of a naval base in Gwadar would provide its own ships and possibly submarines with ‘permanent’ basing rights, along with the possibility of regular patrols and exercises in the Arabian Sea to protect the growing number of Chinese-flagged oil tankers traversing the region to meet its increasing energy demands from the Gulf region.”

As anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden have made the PLA Navy aware that it lacks port access for restocking with food and water, swapping staff and maintenance, the force is lobbying for the construction of foreign bases.

The proposed port could meet some of the PLA navy’s needs but is less aggressive than a Chinese-owned base on foreign soil. The existing commercial port at Gwadar was built by China but is run by the Singapore Port Authority. But it could antagonise India as it comes amid a strengthening of China’s military ties with Pakistan.

During Mr Gilani’s visit last week, Beijing agreed to accelerate delivery of 50 fighter jets to Pakistan

Pakistan’s defence officials are keen for the PLA Navy to build up its presence in the Indian Ocean and the northern Arabia sea, mainly to counterbalance India’s naval forces.

financial times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3914bd36-8467-11e0-afcb-00144feabdc0.html)

[kelt]

Pakistan wil dat China een marinebasis in Gwandar bouwt en ze verwachten dat het Chinees leger daar regelmatig aanwezig zal zijn

China biedt zich straks als doelwit voor terreuraanslagen aan,deze zelfverklaarde "infidels" moeten nog erger te verdragen zijn dan Amerikanen voor "bepaalde groepen" in Pakistan :lol:


Maar goed,China zal zich dus een maritieme basis verwerven aan de ingang van de Golf....en het zal niet uit vakantie-overwegingen zijn...
Voor de rest doet Pakistan aan militaire samenwerking met wie ze wil,de lijnen met de Volksrepubliek zijn al sedert de jaren 50 vorige eeuw tamelijk stevig.De laatste jaren zijn vrijwel alle nieuwe militaire voer-,vlieg- en vaartuigen die Pakistan aankoopt een gelokaliseerde versie van Chinees materiaal....en waarom ook niet,je krijgt behoorlijke "bang for the bucks",en je kunt het onderhouden...

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China biedt zich straks als doelwit voor terreuraanslagen aan,deze zelfverklaarde "infidels" moeten nog erger te verdragen zijn dan Amerikanen voor "bepaalde groepen" in Pakistan :lol:


Maar goed,China zal zich dus een maritieme basis verwerven aan de ingang van de Golf....en het zal niet uit vakantie-overwegingen zijn...
Voor de rest doet Pakistan aan militaire samenwerking met wie ze wil,de lijnen met de Volksrepubliek zijn al sedert de jaren 50 vorige eeuw tamelijk stevig.De laatste jaren zijn vrijwel alle nieuwe militaire voer-,vlieg- en vaartuigen die Pakistan aankoopt een gelokaliseerde versie van Chinees materiaal....en waarom ook niet,je krijgt behoorlijke "bang for the bucks",en je kunt het onderhouden...

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Een bijzonder informatief artikel ivm Pakistan, China vs de VS van Webster Tarpley

Een samenvatting, 1 Mei 2011 tot heden

US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack
Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net
May 20, 2011

China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.

“Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”
Responding to reports that China has asked the US to respect Pakistan’s sovereignty in the aftermath of the Bin Laden operation, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu used a May 19 press briefing to state Beijing’s categorical demand that the “sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan must be respected.” According to Pakistani diplomatic sources cited by the Times of India, China has “warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China.” This ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks in Washington, where the Chinese delegation was led by Vice Prime Minister Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo.1 Chinese warnings are implicitly backed up by that nation’s nuclear missiles, including an estimated 66 ICBMs, some capable of striking the United States, plus 118 intermediate-range missiles, 36 submarine-launched missiles, and numerous shorter-range systems.

Support from China is seen by regional observers as critically important for Pakistan, which is otherwise caught in a pincers between the US and India: “If US and Indian pressure continues, Pakistan can say ‘China is behind us. Don’t think we are isolated, we have a potential superpower with us,’” Talat Masood, a political analyst and retired Pakistani general, told AFP.2

The Chinese ultimatum came during the visit of Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani in Beijing, during which the host government announced the transfer of 50 state-of-the-art JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, immediately and without cost.3 Before his departure, Gilani had stressed the importance of the Pakistan-China alliance, proclaiming: “We are proud to have China as our best and most trusted friend. And China will always find Pakistan standing beside it at all times….When we speak of this friendship as being taller than the Himalayas and deeper than the oceans it truly captures the essence of our relationship.”4 These remarks were greeted by whining from US spokesmen, including Idaho Republican Senator Risch.
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Gilani: Full Force Retaliation to Defend Pakistan’s Strategic Assets
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Obama Has Already Approved Sneak Attack on Pakistan’s Nukes
According to the London Sunday Express, Obama has already approved an aggressive move along these lines: “US troops will be deployed in Pakistan if the nation’s nuclear installations come under threat from terrorists out to avenge the killing of Osama Bin Laden…

The Shooting Has Already Started
The shooting between US and Pakistani forces escalated on Tuesday May 17, when a US NATO helicopter violated Pakistani airspace in Waziristan.
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US Envoy Grossman Rejects Pakistani Calls To Stop Border Violations
US Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman, the replacement for the late Richard Holbrooke, on May 19 arrogantly rejected Pakistani calls for guarantees that no more Abottabad-style unilateral operations would be mounted in Pakistan.9 In refusing to offer such assurances, Grossman claimed that Pakistani officials had never demanded respect for their border in recent years.10
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The Nation: A CIA-RAW-Mossad Pseudo-Taliban Countergang
One way to provide the provocation needed to justify a US-Indian attack on Pakistan would be through an increase in terrorist actions attributable to the so-called Taliban. According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, “Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan.”
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CIA Claims The New Al Qaeda Boss Lives in Waziristan
If the US needs a further pretext for additional raids, it will also be easy to cite the alleged presence in Waziristan of Saif al-Adel, now touted by the CIA as bin Laden’s likely successor as boss of al Qaeda.13
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US Wants to Use Taliban Boss Mullah Omar Against Pakistan
The State Department dropped all preconditions for negotiating with the Taliban back in February, and the US is now reported by the Washington Post to be talking with envoys of Mullah Omar, the legendary one-eyed leader of the Quetta Shura or Taliban ruling council. It is apparent that the US is offering the Taliban an alliance against Pakistan.
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Are We in July 1914?
The crisis leading to World War I began with the Sarajevo assassinations of June 28, 1914, but the first major declaration of war did not occur until August 1. In the interim month of July 1914, large parts of European public opinion retreated into a dreamlike trance, an idyllic la-la land of elegiac illusion, even as the deadly crisis gathered momentum. Something similar can be seen today. Many Americans fondly imagine that the alleged death of Bin Laden marks the end of the war on terror and the Afghan War. Instead, the Bin Laden operation has clearly ushered in a new strategic emergency. Forces which had opposed the Iraq war, from MSNBC to many left liberals of the peace movement, are variously supporting Obama’s bloody aggression in Libya, or even celebrating him as a more effective warmonger than Bush-Cheney because of his supposed success at the expense of Bin Laden. In reality, if there were ever a time to mobilize to stop a new and wider war, this is it.




Lees meer
tarpley (http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatum-warns-washington-against-attack/)

Referenties

1 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/china-asks-us-to-respect-paks-sovereignty-independence/articleshow/8454577.cms
2 “China-Pakistan alliance strengthened post bin Laden,” AFP, May 15, 2011, http://www.sundaytimes.lk/index.php/analysis/7546-china-pakistan-alliance-strengthened-post-bin-laden
3 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/asia/20pakistan.html?_r=3
4 http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/05/08/Gilani-China-best-most-trusted-friend/UPI-96101304911435/
5 http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/pakistani_pm_regrets_unilateral_GAOWNTpBXGJaJtwzWa Zu0K?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=
6 Rowan Scarborough,”U.S. Has Plan to Secure Pakistan Nukes if Country Falls to Taliban, Fox News, May 14, 2009.
7 “US ‘To Protect Pakistan,” London Sunday Express, May 15, 2011, http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/246717/US-to-protect-Pakistan-
8 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/us-pakistan-nato-idUSTRE74G0PS20110517
9 “US refuses to assure it will not act unilaterally,” http://thenews.jang.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=15758
10 “No US assurance on unilateral ops,” http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/20-May-2011/No-US-assurance-on-unilateral-ops
11 “Getting leaner and meaner? Army practices blitzkrieg to strike hard at enemy,” Times of India, May 10, 2011, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-05-10/india/29527731_1_three-strike-corps-army-and-iaf-transformational
12 “CIA has created own Taliban to wreak terror havoc on Pakistan, claims Pak paper,” ANI, May 12, http://my.news.yahoo.com/cia-created-own-taliban-wreak-terror-havoc-pakistan-091621821.html
13 “New al-Qaeda chief in North Waziristan,” May 19, 2011
14 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43033985/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
15 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8519535/US-steps-up-face-to-face-peace-talks-with-Taliban.html

[kelt]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/24/us-pakistan-attack-idUSTRE74N3CH20110524

Bij een overval van een Paki-Taliban-commandoteam(hoogsten 6 man) op een basis van de Pakistaanse Marine-luchtstrijdkrachten zijn twee (nogal kostelijke) P2-Orion onderzeebootbestrijdingsvliegtuigen vernield.Bovendien kostte het meer dan 100 militairen vele uren om dat commando uit te schakelen,en,o vernedering,zijn er zelfs twee ontsnapt...

In een deel van de Pakistaanse pers(nochtans veelal pro-militair) houdt men zich nu amper in....de strijdkrachten zijn bezig zich onsterfelijk belachelijk te maken ...

Nadat ze erin geslaagd zijn om de jarenlange aanwezigheid van OBL "niet te zien",en ze straal genegeerd werden door hun Amerikaanse mecenassen toen deze dan maar zelf overgingen tot de handmatige verwijdering van OBL...blijken ze zelfs geen elementaire bewakingsmaatregelen te hebben rondom toch zeer belangrijke militaire "assets" ...of...erger nog....zit het kwaad dieper in de strijdkrachten dan vermoed...

(herinner U,de Pakistaanse strijdkrachten waren totnogtoe vrijwel het enige officiele Pakistaanse overheidsinstituut dat nog enige standing had ......)

[Johan Bollen]

De 1.5 miljard dollar die de VS aan Pakistan geeft (waarvan een groot deel militaire 'steun') elk jaar zullen misschien niet meer genoeg zijn. Pakistan is niet opgezet met de VS militaire operaties op zijn territorium zonder dat Pakistan daar toestemming voor geeft.

China van zijn kant wil niet graag zijn toegang tot de Indische oceaan kwijt raken. Vandaar ook dat het Pakistan te vriend wil houden.

[Johan Bollen]

Uit link hierboven
According to the London Sunday Express, Obama has already approved an aggressive move along these lines: “US troops will be deployed in Pakistan if the nation’s nuclear installations come under threat from terrorists out to avenge the killing of Osama Bin Laden…
VS houding toont gebrek aan respect voor soevereiniteit van Pakistan. Zo'n houding kan je je alleen veroorloven als je inderdaad bereid bent tot oorlog om het land te controleren (of destabiliseren).

Hopelijk leidt de VS poging om centraal Azië te controleren niet tot een nog grotere oorlog dan die in Afghanistan. Aangezien de VS het economisch niet meer kunnen halen in de wereld is hun enigste troef nog hun militaire dominantie. Die begint stilaan af te kalven. Kijk naar de nieuwe Chinese J20 jet bv. Hopelijk aanvaard de VS een multilaterale wereld want anders zullen we een uitbreiding van de oorlog zien in Centraal Azië vermoed ik. (De moord op Bin Laden biedt nochtans het ideale excuus aan het Obama regime om zich terug te trekken uit Afghanistan zonder gezichtsverlies, 'mission accomplished'. Maar helaas...)

Het zijn niet Chinese militairen die in Afghanistan en Pakistan zitten, en aanvallen uitvoeren. Laten we de vinger leggen daar waar het probleem het grootst is.

[Johan Bollen]

Many in the army still want alliances with Sunni Islamist elements in the region as leverage against India and Iran. As a result, a backlash within the military establishment against the forthcoming new phase in the war against the Afghan Taliban is inevitable. Once again, Pakistan will be caught in the middle between the US and militants, with interests on both sides. Logisch dat Pakistan een nieuwe bondgenoot zoekt.

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Generaal Hamid Gul, ex-ISI baas, op RT

US Will Start WW3 If War Expands To Pakistan - General Hamid Gul
Amid the fallout between Washington and Islamabad over the killing of Osama Bin Laden, RT spoke to Hamid Gul, former chief of Pakistan's Intelligence Agency. He calls the US a haughty empire spoiled by a sense of authority.
Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vZJ-VYpoA)

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Taliban Threaten To Take Over Pakistan & Their Nukes To Attack The West (CIA - False Flag)??
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfLuOlShut8

Pakistan gets Chinese military aid in the face of US threats
30 May 2011
http://www.voltairenet.org/article170141.html

Webster Tarpley - Pakistan Is The Road To World War 3 - China Gives USA Ultimatum - 21/5/2011
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 23, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csaPDF8LsRo&feature=channel_video_title

Gunmen Storm Pakistan Navy Air Base - 22/5/2011 - CIA?
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 23, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UMMR_mtb_I

Pakistan Says China to Operate Key Port
MAY 22, 2011, 1:18 P.M. ET
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303654804576339323765033308.htm...

US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack
Webster G. Tarpley, May 20, 2011
http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatum-war...

China & Pakistan Military Powers Unite With Unbreakable bond
Uploaded by cctvnewschannel on May 21, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Dp_wtucW4&feature=player_embedded

Attack on Pak will be attack on China: report
Posted: Thu May 19 2011, 12:56 hrs
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/attack-on-pak-will-be-attack-on-china-repor...

NATO Helicopters Strike Inside NorthWest Pakistan May 17th 2011
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 17, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0SGcR6wC8

US Lawmaker - "Pakistan Was lying To Us" - "A New Relationship With India" "Its A Game Changer"
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 12, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6eiD0583c

India confirms Chinese military in PoK
Josy Joseph, TNN | May 12, 2011, 04.50am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-confirms-Chinese-military-in-P...

NASA Banned From Working With China
Tue May 10, 2011 06:45 PM ET
http://news.discovery.com/space/denied-nasa-banned-from-working-with-china-11...

The Closest Enemy - All US Paths Lead To War With China.
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4JVZCYhH3A

Pakistan seeks solace in the Kremlin
South Asia May 7, 2011
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME07Df03.html

Pakistan Warns US & India Against Covert Operations - 'Could Result In A Catastrophe'
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVrPV7LO2PM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

China To USA: 'If You Mess With Pakistan You Will Be Messing With China' - Webster Tarpley
Uploaded by wakeup2nwo on May 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00zQtNWFy6o&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

China calls on international community to support Pakistan
BEIJING, May 5, 2011
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1993324.ece

CIA Announces that Next False Flag Terror Op will be Blamed on Pakistan's
Uploaded by terminalxpk on May 4, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uKbovoNrNo&feature=player_embedded

Pakistan drops US, embraces China as new arms partner: Report
IANS, Mar 28, 2011, 09.05pm IST
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-03-28/pakistan/29354063_1_nu...

China Terms US Blockade Against Cuba a 'Genocide'
By Redaction AHORA / [email protected] / Monday, 11 April 2011 11:52
http://www.ahora.cu/english/sections/national/4045-china-terms-us-blockade-ag...

China Calls for Libya Ceasefire After Gadhafi's Son Dies
VOA News May 02, 2011
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/China-Calls-for-Libya-Ceasefire-Af...

Aussies fear threat of war with China
Matt Johnston From: Herald Sun April 25, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/aussies-fear-threat-of-war-with-ch...

Gilani urges Karzai to dump US, team up with Pakistan, China: Report
Washington, April 27(ANI):
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/436775.php

China's 1st aircraft carrier to be launched by year's end: spy head
2011/04/25 23:21:54
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201104250039

China,Russia Block Action on Syria,Israel Fears Islamic Uprising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WR-BvDXHeM

US risks war with China and Russia - World War III - Pt 1/2 - 04-25-2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQfOV3DP_I

Libya Proxy Cold War between China & West - Build Up To Major War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFgO-6Iykpw

[Scherven A. Mok]

De oorlogspropaganda draait weer op volle toeren! En ze weten niet hoe Pakistan dit allemaal betaalt? Je zal zien, het zal China zijn fout wel zijn.

http://www.deredactie.be/permalink/1.1037518

[alfa16vjtd]

Nog iemand die over nieuwe wapens klaagt




Geoengineering ?

propaganda? Alsof Iran enkel de laatste twintig jaar droog was.

[Infowarrior]

http://www.deredactie.be/permalink/1.1037518

Ik moet helderziende zijn.:twisted:

[kelt]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/18/us-officials-pakistanis-tip-off-militants-again/

De "meetrapporten" zijn binnen,en ze zijn niet gunstig voor de Pakistaanse autoriteiten.

4 keer reeds sedert het verscheiden van OBL hebben de VS tips gegeven aan de Palestijnse autoriteiten omtrent "bezigheidstehuizen" voor terroristen,en 4 keer reeds konden de Amerikanen,via al hun observatiemiddelen,vaststellen dat betreffende panden geevacueerd werden ruim voordat Pakistaanse ordetroepen daar "binnenvielen".....


De Pakistani komen af met argumentatie dat in die grenszones ze eerst moeten overleggen met lokale "ouderen" alvorens operaties te lanceren....

kwatch natuurlijk.
Dat betekent dat Pakistan in die zones niet kan- en wil optreden als een souvereine natie ,en dat dus ,in diezelfde logica protesten tegen Amerikaanse aanvallen (vanuit drones bijvoorbeeld) ook ongeldig zijn.Je kunt de mensen daar nauwelijks nog als Pakistani beschouwen..

Of nog anders,dat Pakistan de werking van het Haqqani-netwerk(een Taliban-afdeling) accepteert omdat deze Pakistan zelf met rust laten en enkel "slechts" Afghanistan bekampen....Dat zal veelgeplaagde president Karzia van Afghanistan ,wiens troepen wanhopig problemen gans Afghanistan te behouden,ongetwijfeld heel graag horen...


Die grenszones zijn "free for all" :-(

[fatjohn]

Uit link hierboven

VS houding toont gebrek aan respect voor soevereiniteit van Pakistan. Zo'n houding kan je je alleen veroorloven als je inderdaad bereid bent tot oorlog om het land te controleren (of destabiliseren).

Hopelijk leidt de VS poging om centraal Azië te controleren niet tot een nog grotere oorlog dan die in Afghanistan. Aangezien de VS het economisch niet meer kunnen halen in de wereld is hun enigste troef nog hun militaire dominantie. Die begint stilaan af te kalven. Kijk naar de nieuwe Chinese J20 jet bv. Hopelijk aanvaard de VS een multilaterale wereld want anders zullen we een uitbreiding van de oorlog zien in Centraal Azië vermoed ik. (De moord op Bin Laden biedt nochtans het ideale excuus aan het Obama regime om zich terug te trekken uit Afghanistan zonder gezichtsverlies, 'mission accomplished'. Maar helaas...)

Het zijn niet Chinese militairen die in Afghanistan en Pakistan zitten, en aanvallen uitvoeren. Laten we de vinger leggen daar waar het probleem het grootst is.

De peace prize president zou wel eens afgezet kunnen worden door zijn honger voor oorlogen. Een deel congresleden hebben hem alvast al voor het gerecht gesleept voor zijn onwettig bevel tot oorlog in libie.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/kucinich-other-house-members-file-lawsuit-against-obama-on-libya-military-mission/2011/06/15/AGrzd6VH_blog.html

10 congressleden, 3 democraten en 7 republikeinen.

Laten we hopen dat het lukt, Obama is een oorlogsmisdadiger net als bush.

[D'ARTOIS]

Obama is de marionet van de Bush Gang en al wat daar achter zit - daarover hoef je je geen zorgen te maken. Voor mij is hij het exponent van de politiek kletsende Kikuyu �* la Tom M'Boya. Met andere principalen, dat wel. De honger voor oorlogen wordt hem opgelegd c.q. bevolen.

Amerika heeft zich het recht aangemeten waar en wanneer een oorlog te beginnen zodra hen dat past en uitkomt - tegen alles en iedereen.
Een land dat een dergelijke wet aanneemt, kun je alleen vergelijken met Nazi-Duitsland in en voor WWII. Ik zou geen andere metafoor weten.

Dat de VS uiteindelijk zal verdwijnen uit Pakistan en wellicht ook uit Afghanistan is een kwestie van tijd. De domme VS politiek drijft de Pakistani, Afghanen en straks ook Irakezen en Syriërs in de armen van China. De VS zullen dan daadwerkelijk een WWIII moeten starten om te laten zien wie de sterkste is.

En wellicht doen ze dat ook. De eerste tekenen voor een aanstaande confrontatie zijn er.
Dicht de VS geen intelligentie toe die ze niet hebben. Politieke wijsheid is iets dat in Washington niet bestaat.

[Johan Bollen]

De Pakistani komen af met argumentatie dat in die grenszones ze eerst moeten overleggen met lokale "ouderen" alvorens operaties te lanceren....

kwatch natuurlijk.
Dat betekent dat Pakistan in die zones niet kan- en wil optreden als een souvereine natie ,en dat dus ,in diezelfde logica protesten tegen Amerikaanse aanvallen (vanuit drones bijvoorbeeld) ook ongeldig zijn.Je kunt de mensen daar nauwelijks nog als Pakistani beschouwen..Dus een souvereine natie overlegt niet, die imponeert? Dit is een beetje een te gemakkelijk excuus om droneaanvallen goed te praten, de soevereiniteit van Pakistan gewoon eenzijdig ontkennen tegen alle internationaal recht in.

[kelt]

Dus een souvereine natie overlegt niet, die imponeert? Dit is een beetje een te gemakkelijk excuus om droneaanvallen goed te praten, de soevereiniteit van Pakistan gewoon eenzijdig ontkennen tegen alle internationaal recht in.

Ik wil die drone-aanvallen,en overigens die ganse ellendige Afghaanse affaire, niet goedpraten...

Maar bemerk toch de onvoorstelbare schijnheiligheid van Islamabad..het conflict in buurland Afghanistan KAN niet afgekoeld worden als terroristen een vrijhaven vinden in Pakistan...
We horen niets van Iran,de oude Sovjet-Republieken,noch van China..allemaal aangrenzende naties ,soms zelfs met etnische verwantschappen,maar die tenminste niet wensen te dienen als uitwijkgebied voor terroristen...

Ja,Pakistan heeft een verantwoordelijkheid,lang nadat alle NATO-troepen uit Afghanistan zullen vertrokken zijn....

ach....en soevereniteit is enkel voor de militair sterken :roll:



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[D'ARTOIS]

De hele situatie in Azië ziet er voor de VS Geopolitiek niet goed uit als China en Rusland een blok willen vormen om de VS een voet dwars te zetten.
De letterlijke dreiging van China om een eventuele inval in Pakistan te zien als een daad van oorlog gericht tegen Peking laat aan duidelijkheid niets te wensen over.

De VS reageert daarop door een carriergroep naar de Chinese zee te sturen, ook geen daad van 'hoe wordt ik plotseling intelligent'.
Het raketschild dat de VS wil bouwen/neerzetten in een stel voormalige Warschaupact landen is ook geen daad van superintelligentie. De afstraffing daarvoor zal in de eerste plaats de landen gelden waar die installaties staan opgesteld en is een hernieuwde stap naar een koude oorlog en slechte betrekkingen tussen de EU (Brussel) en de Russische Federatie.

[zonbron]

De VS doden 28 soldaten Pakistan, het was een ongelukje.

De Pakistaanse burgers zijn woedend.


Pakistan stops NATO supplies after deadly raid


* NATO supply routes into Afghanistan
Sat, Nov 26 2011
* Ties between Pakistan and U.S. in crisis
Sat, Nov 26 2011

Afghan-Pakistan border attack kills 28
Sat, Nov 26 2011
A policeman stands guard near trucks, some of which were carrying supplies to NATO forces in Afghanistan, as they line up in the outskirts of Quetta after the Chaman border crossing was closed to traffic November 26, 2011. REUTERS/Naseer Ahmed

1 of 7. A policeman stands guard near trucks, some of which were carrying supplies to NATO forces in Afghanistan, as they line up in the outskirts of Quetta after the Chaman border crossing was closed to traffic November 26, 2011.

Credit: Reuters/Naseer Ahmed

By Shams Momand

YAKKAGHUND, Pakistan | Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:41pm EST

YAKKAGHUND, Pakistan (Reuters) - NATO helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military outposts in northwest Pakistan Saturday, killing as many as 28 troops and plunging U.S.-Pakistan relations deeper into crisis.

Pakistan shut down NATO supply routes into Afghanistan - used for sending in nearly half of the alliance's land shipments - in retaliation for the worst such incident since Islamabad uneasily allied itself with Washington following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

Islamabad also said it had ordered the United States to vacate a drone base in the country, but a senior U.S. official said Washington had received no such request and noted that Pakistan had made similar eviction threats in the past, without following through.

NATO and U.S. officials expressed regret about the deaths of the Pakistani soldiers, indicating the attack may have been an error; but the exact circumstances remained unclear.

"Senior U.S. civilian and military officials have been in touch with their Pakistani counterparts from Islamabad, Kabul and Washington to express our condolences, our desire to work together to determine what took place, and our commitment to the U.S.-Pakistan partnership which advances our shared interests, including fighting terrorism in the region," said White House national security council spokesman Tommy Vieter.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar spoke by telephone, as did General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Pakistani Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

The NATO-led force in Afghanistan confirmed that NATO aircraft had probably killed Pakistani soldiers in an area close to the Afghan-Pakistani border.

"Close air support was called in, in the development of the tactical situation, and it is what highly likely caused the Pakistan casualties," said General Carsten Jacobson, spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

He added he could not confirm the number of casualties, but ISAF was investigating. "We are aware that Pakistani soldiers perished. We don't know the size, the magnitude," he said.

Pakistan's Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani said the killings were "an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty," adding: "We will not let any harm come to Pakistan's sovereignty and solidarity."

Pakistan's Foreign Office said it would take up the matter "in the strongest terms" with NATO and the United States, while army chief Kayani said steps would be taken to respond "to this irresponsible act."

"A strong protest has been launched with NATO/ISAF in which it has been demanded that strong and urgent action be taken against those responsible for this aggression."

Two military officials said up to 28 troops had been killed and 11 wounded in the attack on the outposts, about 2.5 km (1.5 miles) from the Afghan border. The Pakistani military said 24 troops were killed and 13 wounded.

The attack took place around 2 a.m. (2100 GMT) in the Baizai area of Mohmand, where Pakistani troops are fighting Taliban militants. Across the border is Afghanistan's Kunar province, which has seen years of heavy fighting.

"Pakistani troops effectively responded immediately in self-defense to NATO/ISAF's aggression with all available weapons," the Pakistani military statement said.

The commander of NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, General John R. Allen, offered his condolences to the families of Pakistani soldiers who "may have been killed or injured."

Dempsey's spokesman, Colonel David Lapan, could not confirm the closure of the Pakistani border crossing to trucks carrying supplies for ISAF forces. However, he noted that "if true, we have alternate routes we can use, as we have in the past."

POORLY MARKED

Around 40 troops were stationed at the outposts, military sources said. Two officers were reported among the dead. "They without any reasons attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep," said a senior Pakistani officer, requesting anonymity.

The border is often poorly marked, and Afghan and Pakistani maps have differences of several kilometres in some places, military officials have said.

However, Pakistani military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said NATO had been given maps of the area, with Pakistani military posts identified.

"When the other side is saying there is a doubt about this, there is no doubt about it. These posts have been marked and handed over to the other side for marking on their maps and are clearly inside Pakistani territory."

The incident occurred a day after Allen met Kayani to discuss border control and enhanced cooperation.

A senior military source told Reuters that after the meeting that set out "to build confidence and trust, these kind of attacks should not have taken place."

BLOCKED SUPPLIES

Pakistan is a vital land route for nearly half of NATO supplies shipped overland to its troops in Afghanistan, a NATO spokesman said. Land shipments account for about two thirds of the alliance's cargo shipments into Afghanistan.

Hours after the raid, NATO supply trucks and fuel tankers bound for Afghanistan were stopped at Jamrud town in the Khyber tribal region near the city of Peshawar, officials said.

The border crossing at Chaman in southwestern Baluchistan province was also closed, Frontier Corps officials said.

A meeting of the cabinet's defense committee convened by Gilani "decided to close with immediate effect NATO/ISAF logistics supply lines," according to a statement issued by Gilani's office.

The committee decided to ask the United States to vacate, within 15 days, the Shamsi Air Base, a remote installation in Baluchistan used by U.S. forces for drone strikes which has long been at the center of a dispute between Islamabad and Washington.

The meeting also decided the government would "revisit and undertake a complete review of all programs, activities and cooperative arrangements with US/NATO/ISAF, including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence."

A similar incident on Sept 30, 2010, which killed two Pakistani service personnel, led to the closure of one of NATO's supply routes through Pakistan for 10 days. NATO apologised for that incident, which it said happened when NATO gunships mistook warning shots by Pakistani forces for a militant attack.

Relations between the United States and Pakistan were strained by the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden by U.S. special forces in Pakistan in May, which Pakistan called a flagrant violation of sovereignty.

Pakistan's jailing of a CIA contractor and U.S. accusations that Pakistan backed a militant attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul have added to the tensions.

"This will have a catastrophic effect on Pakistan-U.S. relations. The public in Pakistan are going to go berserk on this," said Charles Heyman, senior defense analyst at British military website Armedforces.co.uk.

Other analysts, including Rustam Shah Mohmand, a former ambassador to Afghanistan, predicted Pakistan would protest and close the supply lines for some time, but that ultimately "things will get back to normal."

(Additional reporting by Bushra Takseen, Saud Mehsud, Jibran Ahmad and Saeed Achakzai in Pakistan, Tim Castle in London, Warren Strobel in Washington and Hamid Shalizi and Christine Kearney in Afghanistan;

Writing by Augustine Anthony, Chris Allbritton and Emma Graham-Harrison; Editing by Andrew Roche and David Stamp)


reuters - us-pakistan (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/26/us-pakistan-nato-idUSTRE7AP03S20111126)

[nottobeortobe]

Wanneer de Amerikanen (terecht) vrezen, dat nucleair strijdvaardige landen in hun domheid die wapens zouden kunnen gaan gebruiken, doen zij er verstandig aan om nu zo snel mogelijk hun ingebeelde doel van hun missie aldaar te verlaten, nu die Pakistaans/Chinees/Afghaanse brei zo gevaarlijk gaat koken. Zeker is dat de Chinees wel wijzer is om een 3de WO te beginnen met wapens. Hun aanpak van de USA om zijn (nog) militaire superioriteit te kraken is de US $ zeer geleidelijk te laten doodbloeden. Dan stoppen hun wapens vanzelf omdat de kogels niet met zand te betalen zijn.

[tomm]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/22/us-obama-pakistan-idUSTRE74L0U320110522

President Obama windt er niet echt veel doekjes om;als vastgesteld wordt dat nog een "voorname militant" in Pakistan huist,dan zullen de VS die vogel komen halen of afschieten.....

Het wordt allemaal amper nog in diplomatieke taal verpakt : De VS heeft geen enkel vertrouwen meer in Pakistaanse overheidsinstellingen,die ze nochtans zo lang gefinancierd hebben...

Er is nog even tijd,maar ik acht het nu niet meer onmogelijk dat men de brokken met de builen gaat nemen (de Afghanistan-operaties die eigenlijk afhankelijk zijn van vlotte toegang over Pakistaans grondgebied),en de steun aan Pakistan begint te stoppen....(en als China bij die gelaatsdansers in Islamabad wil gaan zitten.....graag :twisted: ooit scheuren ze zich ook de broek )


tenzij natuurlijk....de Pakistaanse regering binnenkort enkele hoge personaliteiten van de inlichtingendiensten en de strijdkrachten kan laten aanwijzen als schuldigen.....
Het heeft geen enkele zin "normale" relaties te onderhouden met een "verkozen regering" als je weet dat dit eigenlijk NIET de machthebbers zijn...

Als het aan de Pakistaanse bevolking ligt worden alle relaties met de VS onmiddellijk stopgezet. Helaas onderhoudt de VS een heel netwerk van corrupte politici die uit hun handen eten.

[zonbron]

China waarschuwde hoge ambtenaren van de VS:
Wat een bedreiging is voor Pakistan. is tevens een bedreiging voor China.

junshijia (google translate) (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=nl&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.junshijia.com%2Farticle%2F20111 1%2F83165_3.html)