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Baba Bey
10 november 2006, 00:25
# FAQ: KURDS IN TURKEY
#
# Version : 1.00a
# Last Change : 2006-Nov-9 by "Baba Bey"
# Initial compilation: by "Baba Bey" on 2006-Nov-9
# This is a private FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

The enemies of Turkey (esp. Armenians and Cyprus-Greeks) are spreading
propaganda lies on the net about Kurds in Turkey. Here's a collection
of the lies with answers given to them.

We Turks would be glad if more people come to Turkey and see
the situation of the Kurds with their own eyes.
Kurds have the same rights as every legal citizen of Turkey.

Unfortunately the southeast region is underdeveloped due to the PKK terror.
As is the case anywhere in the world, investors are cautious about investing
any money in unstable regions. Recently the region has stabilized much
more compared to last years. We hope this will last longer so more
investments by Turkish and foreign businessmen can be done in the
southeast Turkey. Turkey has set up for example the huge GAP
project to develop the eastern and southern regions. It has cost the
state billions of dollars and took many years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
"The Southeastern Anatolia Project (Turkish: Güneydoðu Anadolu Projesi, GAP)
is a multi-sector integrated regional effort aimed at a sustainable development
in the area. The GAP involves eight provinces in Southeastern Anatolia (Adýyaman,
Batman, Diyarbakýr, Gaziantep, Siirt, Þanlýurfa, Mardin, and Þýrnak) which are
located in the basins of the Euphrates and Tigris and in Upper Mesopotamia.
..."

FYI: since most of the Q&A below are compiled verbatim from newsgroup
discussions there are unfortunately also some obscene words of these
enemies in their propaganda texts. There are also some dupe questions
I think. I'll try to clean these passages in a later version of this FAQ

For any comments/suggestions/fixes please reply under this thread in the NG, thx.


Here we go with the Questions/Statements & Answers:

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1) Kurds can not vote for their own political establishments
(they can't have their own political parties)

A: There are many Kurdish political parties in Turkey.
One of them has won more than 6% of the votes.

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2) What is the name of the Kurdish party?
Did they ever said "they would only protect the interest of the Kurdish people"

A: For example the policitical party DTP.
The DTP has mayors in 55 municipalities, most of them in
Southeastern Turkey densely inhabited by Kurds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Society_Party
http://www.dtpgm.org.tr/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Party_(Turkey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kurdish_organisations
Everybody can create a political party in Turkey.
It's up to the party what their goal is, how their program looks like.

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3) Describing some one as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.

A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes with
the PKK terrorist organization who killed many Turkish soldiers and civilians.

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4) Did you ever hear a Kurdish Parlementarian to say he is a Kurd
or did you ever witnessed them speaking in Kurdish even when
they are with the Kurds?

A: Yes, even in the House of Representatives (Turkish Grand
National Assembly, TBMM).
But that person was brought to court and then jailed,
as we cannot allow such seperatistic propaganda.
Nobody must violate the laws. If someone doesn't like a law
he/she has to change it democratically. If it fails because
they don't get enough support then they have to live with the law.
Otherwise they would act undemocratic.
This is of course the basic principle of any democracy, to look
for majorities to bring in a new law or to change an old law.

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5) This is exactly what I am trying to say. Your constitution is based on
fascist Italis constitution back in 1930's which is redesign by the Turkish
military back in 1980 military cerfew

A: Bullshit. Everybody can change the constitution if he/she
gets enough support in the parliament.
OTOH, why change it if it is good? Good things last long... :-)

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6) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public establishments.

A: The Turkish constitution says there is only one official language, Turkish.
If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.
Another language in education system does not make any sense.
It helps those looking for seperation. This of course cannot be in the interest of Turkey.
And it would cost the state much money and would lead to slow administration.

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7) According to Turkish constitution Kurds does not exist, no text in the
constitutin refers to Kurds or the minorities

A: It also does not mention the many other minorities.
Does the U.S. constitution mention each of the hundreds of minorites in the U.S. ?
Turkish Kurds are citizen of Turkey. They get a Turkish passport and ID card.

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8) So, if it is ok in the US then it should be ok in Turkey as well?
What kind of mentality is this?

A: (This guy hasn't understood my answer in #7. I don't know what
he means by "if it is ok in the US". He just makes word tricks
as usual by these blind propagandists. I guess he has forgotten
to put twice the word "not" in the first sentence, ie.
"So, if it is not ok in the US then it should be not ok in Turkey as well?" ).

The constitution already covers all minorities in Turkey.
If you want to change the constitution then convince the parliamenterian,
find a majority and just do it! You have the chance to do it!
I personally don't think it makes sense to have more than one official
language in a state; it's costing much and complicating administration.

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9) Kurds can not name their children if the name is not compatibale to Turkish

A: This is due the latin characters used in Turkey.
This is the same in the U.S.: can you name your kid say Ömer ?
No, you have to call him Omer, Oemer, or Omar... because
the US does not know the Ö character in their standard ASCII table.

FYI: the Turkish alphabet does not have these characters: W, w, Q, q, X, x

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10) Are you going to mis-spell all the European names?

A: Yes, for example in Germany many Turkish names are misspelled
because some Turkish characters are not available in German alphabet,
for example: Ç, Ð, Ý, Þ, ç, ð, ý, þ
The reverse is true too, for example: ß, W, X, w, x

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11) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds

A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.

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12) have you ever witnessed the censuses in the USA? If you did then you would
know that every single ethnicity is well noted and specially asked.

A: So, then what is your point?
The Turkish state tries to treat all people equal.
Are you asking for "race discrimination" be applied?

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13) Traditional Kurdish clothing is strictly banned in Turkey

A: Reference?

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14) Can you see any Kurdish dressed teachers, parlementarians
or the students in Turkey?

A: What on hell is "traditional Kurdish clothing"? :-)
And, what is your point?
Do you think it would make any sense if Erdogan, the leader of
the ruling religious party, to wear some arabic religious stuff (LOL! :-)?
He too would not be accepted by the public.
We have headscarf ban for state institutions, which is good for emancipating the women.
Most EU countries, and also many arabic countries, have this law too!
We need modern and free people for modernizing the country and the society.

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15) Kurds can not wave their own flag

A: LOL! Use the Turkish flag.

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16) Well, turkish flag does not represent the Kurdish people.

A: Sure does it. Kurds in Turkey are Turkish citizen.
There is no country named "Kurdistan", there is no Kurdish flag.
Citizens of Turkey are Turkish people and Turkish people are of course
represented by the Turkish flag, that's all.
If you want to create a land called "Kurdistan" then do it somewhere
else because on Turkish soil nobody is going to allow you this.
If you think otherwise than you are just dreaming. Nobody is going
to allow you this. Basta, finito, nyet, nada, forget it!

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17) and Kurdistan being called East and South east of Turkey!

A: LOL! There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil; it is TURKEY !

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18) Kurds are not allowed to have their own TV or Radio stations / programs

A: LIE! There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations in Turkey!

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19) Name me one single TV station or even a radio station broadcasts from Turkey!

A: "GÜN-TV", "SÖZ-TV", and many radio stations
See for example these articles:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D4687417-BAB7-426A-9F30-8D16A9DEE206.htm
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=24371
http://www.gunradyotv.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=32&lang=tr

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20) Kurds have every right to determine their own future without being
part of Turkish establishment!

A: Kurds are free to leave Turkey and go wherever they like!
Me personally thinks, we would be glad to have less of them.
...we should send them to the moon... :-)
But the reality is unfortunately that more and more Kurds
from Iran, Iraq, Syria are fleeing their countries and illegally coming to Turkey.
Most because of economic reasons; in Turkey they have better chances.
We have also about 70,000 illegal Armenians in Turkey from the neighbouring
Armenia, yes the same Armenia who is making propaganda against Turkey...

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21) Kurdish rights in Turkey completely ignored by Turkish government.

A: LIE! Kurds have the same rights as anybody else in Turkey.
They are nothing special to give them extra rights. It would
also be against our constitution to treat a group differently.

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22) Kurds are not allowed to speak their own language

A: Bullshit, you can speak any shit language you like.
But of course not in state buildings as the official language
of Turkey is of course only Turkish.
And: there are many Kurdish superstars in Turkey like
the singer Ibrahim Tatlises...

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23) Kurds are not allowed to learn their language

A: You can learn any shit language you like!
But in Turkish schools only Turkish is taught.
If you need other languages then go to a private school.
We can not afford other languages in state organizations.
We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
in school and state.
It is not in Turkey's interesst to support seperatists.
What we need is unification and simplification,
not dividing the people and complicating the things.

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24) Why not? People in Armenia, in Iraq, in Israel are allowed learn their
mother language wheather is Arabic, Kurdish or Hebrew in state schools!

A: On paper you mean.
Be so, it's their own problem, not ours. We in Turkey, together with
maybe 99% of the countries in the world have a different view on this.
We don't want have more than one official language in state.
And: as said, if you want to change this then you can do so; you just
need to get the necessary number of voters in the parliament...

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25) Every single EU country welcomes the minority languages. In Finland Swidish
people make up 5% of the population but every Finish government officers
need to know Swidish. Romanic people in Swiss make up 0.5% of the people but
Romanic is one of the 4 official languages in Switzerland!

A: Be so! It's their own stupidity! Not ours. WE Turks, together with maybe
99% of the other countries in the world, cannot afford such an idiocy!
Neither logically nor financially.
If you don't like this then try to change the law.
If changing the law is not possible because there are not much
supporters of this idiotic idea then you have to accept the current law.
Otherwise, if you don't accept or respect the law then it is YOU who
would behave anti-democratic!

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26) Kurdish identity is not recognised by the Turkish state

A: All citizen of Turkey are Turks, as much like all (legal) citizen
of the U.S. are U.S. citizens...
Kurds in Turkey have Turkish citizenship. Kurds in Iran have
Iranian citizenship etc. etc.
There are many minorities in Turkey, we treat them all equally:
We have Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, Arabs,
Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Pomaks, ...
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Demographics
"
The legal use of the term "Turkish" (a citizen of Turkey) is different
from the ethnic definition. However, the majority of the Turkish
population are of Turkish ethnicity. Besides the minorities that
have legal status as defined and internationally recognized by the
Treaty of Lausanne; namely Greeks, Armenians and Jews;
ethnic groups include Abkhazians, Albanians, Arabs, Bosniaks,
Chechens, Circassians, Georgians, Hamshenis, Kabardin, Kurds,
Laz, Ossetians, Pomaks, Roma and Zazas ...

Though Turkish is the sole official language throughout Turkey,
broadcasts in local languages and dialects on State media outlets
include Arabic, Bosnian, Circassian and Kurdish.
"

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27) If you live in Turkey then you can not be an Arab, Iranian, Greek,
Armenian or Kurd you only have one option, which is to call yourself a
Turk (proud turk) and forget about your language, identity, or culture
if insisted then you face the genocide!

A: ROTFL! You propaganda liar! See above. There are many
minorities and foreigners living in Turkey. They are what they are.
It depends on their citizenship. Turkish Kurds are Turkish citizen.

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28: Politicians of Kurdish origin.

A: There are about 70 politicians in the parliament of Kurdish origin (of total 575)

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29) Recognising Free Kurdistan which covers all four countries inc.
Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq,

A: Never! We don't need a Kurdish terror state in the Middle East.

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30) Turks are currently ethnically cleansing Kurds from the east and
southeast of turkey (North Kurdistan) to create ethnically pure Turks
in their country.

A: ROTFL!
Whom do you think you can convince with such lies, Armenian idiot?!
We have the problem of a terror organization in Turkey, PKK,
funded by some enemies of Turkey (Armenia, SouthCyprus etc.)
Much like the ETA in Spain or the IRA in England.

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31) 15 to 20 million Kurds in turkey can not speak their own language, can
not have their own TV or Radio stations, can not play or sing their own
songs, Kurds can not give Kurdish names to their own children, Kurdish
lands are called east and south-east turkey instead of Kurdistan.

A: That's all lies. See above.
There are many Kurdish singer superstars like Ibrahim Tatlises in Turkey.
There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations.
But: in state schools only Turkish is taught. We can not afford other
languages in state organizations.
We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
in the school system.

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32) You see, you son of a DOG still calling the PKK a terrorist organisation!

A: The son of a DOG must be yourself, you obscene Armenian P.O.S.!
PKK is a worldwide outlawed terrorist organization! It is listed in
terrorist lists of nearly all countries of the world, except Armenia and SouthCyprus...
PKK is a proscribed terrorist organization! Proof:
Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK, DHKP-C) is
listed in the following terrorist lists:
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp
http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html
http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listslatest.html
http://www.esrcheck.com/articles/article.php?article_id=TerroristSearchandPatriotAc t.htm
You are NOT allowed to make glorification ads for such criminal organizations!

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33) Turks and Turkish establisment is the biggest terrorists this world ever seen!

A: ROTFL! :-)))
Is it because we captured PKK head Abdullah Öcalan and imprisoned him? :-)
You losers!...

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34) You Turks here are brained washed with same fascistic, religious and militaristic ideas!

A: It's you and your braindamaged "friends" who have fascistic, racistic, militarist ideas,
not the Turks. You are even making propaganda for the terror organization PKK...
Turks don't support PKK terrorist, but you and your propaganda friends
from Armenia, SouthCyprus and Greece do so.

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35) recognize the Armenian genocide.

A: There was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
Why are you endlessly asking this?
We will not in a million years change our mind! Because
there was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!

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36) Orhan Pamuk did it....

A: ROTFL! :-)
He is just a 3rd class novellist; neither an academician nor an historian!
He was paid by the Armenians.
Can you give a link to his allegedly work on this theme?

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37) Or have you started recognizing the Armenian Genocide lately,

A: There is nothing to recognize, dumbo! PERIOD!
It was the Armenians who committed genocide crimes against
Turks and others by ethnically cleansing the region for their
promised independent "Greater Armenia", promised mainly by France and Russia.
In 1915 during WWI we Turks have deported them from the region
since they were collaborating with the Russian enemy.

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38) Describing someone as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.

A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes
with the PKK terrorist organization.

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39) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
establishments.

A: The Turkish constition says there is only one language.
If you want change this then try it politically in the parliament.

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40) Kurds can not refer to their villages, forests, mountains, rivers,
county, districts etc, with their Kurdish names

A: Simply because these locations already have a Turkish name.
Kurds in Turkey belong to Turkey, so they have to use the official names.

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41) Kurds can not call their region as Kurdistan

A: Simply because it is TURKEY !

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42) Kurds can not serve as police officers, teachers or any other public
services in their own counties.

Bullshit!
If the Kurdish policeman sympatizes with the PKK then of course he/she will no longer be...
If the Kurdish teacher does not follow the regulations of the Ministry
of Education (MEB) then of course he/she will no longer be...
And, many mayors in southeast Turkey are Kurdish origin.

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43) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds

A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.

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44) Carrying or holding any map which showing the Kurdistan is punishable

A: There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil (funny imagination) and
you cannot show wrong maps. This is like showing a U.S. map where Alaska
is shown as belonging to the Canadians or to the Russians...

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LastQ: This is all I can remember so far!

LastA: As can be seen, about 95% of what the propagandists say
is just simple LIE, and the rest is just BULLSHIT aka wishful thinking,
as could be seen above...

10 november 2006, 01:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpW0VVaMwY&mode=related&search=

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"Baba Bey" <babbbaababey@babbaababaabey.org> wrote in message
news:JIKdnflAvvReK87YRVnyrA@giganews.com...
># FAQ: KURDS IN TURKEY
> #
> # Version : 1.00a
> # Last Change : 2006-Nov-9 by "Baba Bey"
> # Initial compilation: by "Baba Bey" on 2006-Nov-9
> # This is a private FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
>
> The enemies of Turkey (esp. Armenians and Cyprus-Greeks) are spreading
> propaganda lies on the net about Kurds in Turkey. Here's a collection
> of the lies with answers given to them.
>
> We Turks would be glad if more people come to Turkey and see
> the situation of the Kurds with their own eyes.
> Kurds have the same rights as every legal citizen of Turkey.
>
> Unfortunately the southeast region is underdeveloped due to the PKK
> terror.
> As is the case anywhere in the world, investors are cautious about
> investing
> any money in unstable regions. Recently the region has stabilized much
> more compared to last years. We hope this will last longer so more
> investments by Turkish and foreign businessmen can be done in the
> southeast Turkey. Turkey has set up for example the huge GAP
> project to develop the eastern and southern regions. It has cost the
> state billions of dollars and took many years.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
> "The Southeastern Anatolia Project (Turkish: Güneydoðu Anadolu Projesi,
> GAP)
> is a multi-sector integrated regional effort aimed at a sustainable
> development
> in the area. The GAP involves eight provinces in Southeastern Anatolia
> (Adýyaman,
> Batman, Diyarbakýr, Gaziantep, Siirt, Þanlýurfa, Mardin, and Þýrnak)
> which are
> located in the basins of the Euphrates and Tigris and in Upper
> Mesopotamia.
> ..."
>
> FYI: since most of the Q&A below are compiled verbatim from newsgroup
> discussions there are unfortunately also some obscene words of these
> enemies in their propaganda texts. There are also some dupe questions
> I think. I'll try to clean these passages in a later version of this
> FAQ
>
> For any comments/suggestions/fixes please reply under this thread in the
> NG, thx.
>
>
> Here we go with the Questions/Statements & Answers:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1) Kurds can not vote for their own political establishments
> (they can't have their own political parties)
>
> A: There are many Kurdish political parties in Turkey.
> One of them has won more than 6% of the votes.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2) What is the name of the Kurdish party?
> Did they ever said "they would only protect the interest of the Kurdish
> people"
>
> A: For example the policitical party DTP.
> The DTP has mayors in 55 municipalities, most of them in
> Southeastern Turkey densely inhabited by Kurds.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Society_Party
> http://www.dtpgm.org.tr/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Party_(Turkey)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kurdish_organisations
> Everybody can create a political party in Turkey.
> It's up to the party what their goal is, how their program looks like.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3) Describing some one as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
>
> A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes with
> the PKK terrorist organization who killed many Turkish soldiers and
> civilians.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 4) Did you ever hear a Kurdish Parlementarian to say he is a Kurd
> or did you ever witnessed them speaking in Kurdish even when
> they are with the Kurds?
>
> A: Yes, even in the House of Representatives (Turkish Grand
> National Assembly, TBMM).
> But that person was brought to court and then jailed,
> as we cannot allow such seperatistic propaganda.
> Nobody must violate the laws. If someone doesn't like a law
> he/she has to change it democratically. If it fails because
> they don't get enough support then they have to live with the law.
> Otherwise they would act undemocratic.
> This is of course the basic principle of any democracy, to look
> for majorities to bring in a new law or to change an old law.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 5) This is exactly what I am trying to say. Your constitution is based on
> fascist Italis constitution back in 1930's which is redesign by the
> Turkish
> military back in 1980 military cerfew
>
> A: Bullshit. Everybody can change the constitution if he/she
> gets enough support in the parliament.
> OTOH, why change it if it is good? Good things last long... :-)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 6) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> establishments.
>
> A: The Turkish constitution says there is only one official language,
> Turkish.
> If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.
> Another language in education system does not make any sense.
> It helps those looking for seperation. This of course cannot be in the
> interest of Turkey.
> And it would cost the state much money and would lead to slow
> administration.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 7) According to Turkish constitution Kurds does not exist, no text in the
> constitutin refers to Kurds or the minorities
>
> A: It also does not mention the many other minorities.
> Does the U.S. constitution mention each of the hundreds of minorites in
> the U.S. ?
> Turkish Kurds are citizen of Turkey. They get a Turkish passport and ID
> card.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 8) So, if it is ok in the US then it should be ok in Turkey as well?
> What kind of mentality is this?
>
> A: (This guy hasn't understood my answer in #7. I don't know what
> he means by "if it is ok in the US". He just makes word tricks
> as usual by these blind propagandists. I guess he has forgotten
> to put twice the word "not" in the first sentence, ie.
> "So, if it is not ok in the US then it should be not ok in Turkey as
> well?" ).
>
> The constitution already covers all minorities in Turkey.
> If you want to change the constitution then convince the
> parliamenterian,
> find a majority and just do it! You have the chance to do it!
> I personally don't think it makes sense to have more than one official
> language in a state; it's costing much and complicating administration.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 9) Kurds can not name their children if the name is not compatibale to
> Turkish
>
> A: This is due the latin characters used in Turkey.
> This is the same in the U.S.: can you name your kid say Ömer ?
> No, you have to call him Omer, Oemer, or Omar... because
> the US does not know the Ö character in their standard ASCII table.
>
> FYI: the Turkish alphabet does not have these characters: W, w, Q, q, X,
> x
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 10) Are you going to mis-spell all the European names?
>
> A: Yes, for example in Germany many Turkish names are misspelled
> because some Turkish characters are not available in German alphabet,
> for example: Ç, Ð, Ý, Þ, ç, ð, ý, þ
> The reverse is true too, for example: ß, W, X, w, x
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 11) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
>
> A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 12) have you ever witnessed the censuses in the USA? If you did then you
> would
> know that every single ethnicity is well noted and specially asked.
>
> A: So, then what is your point?
> The Turkish state tries to treat all people equal.
> Are you asking for "race discrimination" be applied?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 13) Traditional Kurdish clothing is strictly banned in Turkey
>
> A: Reference?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 14) Can you see any Kurdish dressed teachers, parlementarians
> or the students in Turkey?
>
> A: What on hell is "traditional Kurdish clothing"? :-)
> And, what is your point?
> Do you think it would make any sense if Erdogan, the leader of
> the ruling religious party, to wear some arabic religious stuff (LOL!
> :-)?
> He too would not be accepted by the public.
> We have headscarf ban for state institutions, which is good for
> emancipating the women.
> Most EU countries, and also many arabic countries, have this law too!
> We need modern and free people for modernizing the country and the
> society.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 15) Kurds can not wave their own flag
>
> A: LOL! Use the Turkish flag.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 16) Well, turkish flag does not represent the Kurdish people.
>
> A: Sure does it. Kurds in Turkey are Turkish citizen.
> There is no country named "Kurdistan", there is no Kurdish flag.
> Citizens of Turkey are Turkish people and Turkish people are of course
> represented by the Turkish flag, that's all.
> If you want to create a land called "Kurdistan" then do it somewhere
> else because on Turkish soil nobody is going to allow you this.
> If you think otherwise than you are just dreaming. Nobody is going
> to allow you this. Basta, finito, nyet, nada, forget it!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 17) and Kurdistan being called East and South east of Turkey!
>
> A: LOL! There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil; it is TURKEY !
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 18) Kurds are not allowed to have their own TV or Radio stations /
> programs
>
> A: LIE! There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations in Turkey!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 19) Name me one single TV station or even a radio station broadcasts from
> Turkey!
>
> A: "GÜN-TV", "SÖZ-TV", and many radio stations
> See for example these articles:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D4687417-BAB7-426A-9F30-8D16A9DEE206.htm
> http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=24371
>
> http://www.gunradyotv.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=32&lang=tr
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 20) Kurds have every right to determine their own future without being
> part of Turkish establishment!
>
> A: Kurds are free to leave Turkey and go wherever they like!
> Me personally thinks, we would be glad to have less of them.
> ...we should send them to the moon... :-)
> But the reality is unfortunately that more and more Kurds
> from Iran, Iraq, Syria are fleeing their countries and illegally coming
> to Turkey.
> Most because of economic reasons; in Turkey they have better chances.
> We have also about 70,000 illegal Armenians in Turkey from the
> neighbouring
> Armenia, yes the same Armenia who is making propaganda against Turkey...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 21) Kurdish rights in Turkey completely ignored by Turkish government.
>
> A: LIE! Kurds have the same rights as anybody else in Turkey.
> They are nothing special to give them extra rights. It would
> also be against our constitution to treat a group differently.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 22) Kurds are not allowed to speak their own language
>
> A: Bullshit, you can speak any shit language you like.
> But of course not in state buildings as the official language
> of Turkey is of course only Turkish.
> And: there are many Kurdish superstars in Turkey like
> the singer Ibrahim Tatlises...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 23) Kurds are not allowed to learn their language
>
> A: You can learn any shit language you like!
> But in Turkish schools only Turkish is taught.
> If you need other languages then go to a private school.
> We can not afford other languages in state organizations.
> We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> in school and state.
> It is not in Turkey's interesst to support seperatists.
> What we need is unification and simplification,
> not dividing the people and complicating the things.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 24) Why not? People in Armenia, in Iraq, in Israel are allowed learn their
> mother language wheather is Arabic, Kurdish or Hebrew in state schools!
>
> A: On paper you mean.
> Be so, it's their own problem, not ours. We in Turkey, together with
> maybe 99% of the countries in the world have a different view on this.
> We don't want have more than one official language in state.
> And: as said, if you want to change this then you can do so; you just
> need to get the necessary number of voters in the parliament...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 25) Every single EU country welcomes the minority languages. In Finland
> Swidish
> people make up 5% of the population but every Finish government
> officers
> need to know Swidish. Romanic people in Swiss make up 0.5% of the
> people but
> Romanic is one of the 4 official languages in Switzerland!
>
> A: Be so! It's their own stupidity! Not ours. WE Turks, together with
> maybe
> 99% of the other countries in the world, cannot afford such an idiocy!
> Neither logically nor financially.
> If you don't like this then try to change the law.
> If changing the law is not possible because there are not much
> supporters of this idiotic idea then you have to accept the current law.
> Otherwise, if you don't accept or respect the law then it is YOU who
> would behave anti-democratic!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 26) Kurdish identity is not recognised by the Turkish state
>
> A: All citizen of Turkey are Turks, as much like all (legal) citizen
> of the U.S. are U.S. citizens...
> Kurds in Turkey have Turkish citizenship. Kurds in Iran have
> Iranian citizenship etc. etc.
> There are many minorities in Turkey, we treat them all equally:
> We have Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, Arabs,
> Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Pomaks, ...
> See here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Demographics
> "
> The legal use of the term "Turkish" (a citizen of Turkey) is different
> from the ethnic definition. However, the majority of the Turkish
> population are of Turkish ethnicity. Besides the minorities that
> have legal status as defined and internationally recognized by the
> Treaty of Lausanne; namely Greeks, Armenians and Jews;
> ethnic groups include Abkhazians, Albanians, Arabs, Bosniaks,
> Chechens, Circassians, Georgians, Hamshenis, Kabardin, Kurds,
> Laz, Ossetians, Pomaks, Roma and Zazas ...
>
> Though Turkish is the sole official language throughout Turkey,
> broadcasts in local languages and dialects on State media outlets
> include Arabic, Bosnian, Circassian and Kurdish.
> "
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 27) If you live in Turkey then you can not be an Arab, Iranian, Greek,
> Armenian or Kurd you only have one option, which is to call yourself a
> Turk (proud turk) and forget about your language, identity, or culture
> if insisted then you face the genocide!
>
> A: ROTFL! You propaganda liar! See above. There are many
> minorities and foreigners living in Turkey. They are what they are.
> It depends on their citizenship. Turkish Kurds are Turkish citizen.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 28: Politicians of Kurdish origin.
>
> A: There are about 70 politicians in the parliament of Kurdish origin (of
> total 575)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 29) Recognising Free Kurdistan which covers all four countries inc.
> Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq,
>
> A: Never! We don't need a Kurdish terror state in the Middle East.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 30) Turks are currently ethnically cleansing Kurds from the east and
> southeast of turkey (North Kurdistan) to create ethnically pure Turks
> in their country.
>
> A: ROTFL!
> Whom do you think you can convince with such lies, Armenian idiot?!
> We have the problem of a terror organization in Turkey, PKK,
> funded by some enemies of Turkey (Armenia, SouthCyprus etc.)
> Much like the ETA in Spain or the IRA in England.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 31) 15 to 20 million Kurds in turkey can not speak their own language, can
> not have their own TV or Radio stations, can not play or sing their own
> songs, Kurds can not give Kurdish names to their own children, Kurdish
> lands are called east and south-east turkey instead of Kurdistan.
>
> A: That's all lies. See above.
> There are many Kurdish singer superstars like Ibrahim Tatlises in
> Turkey.
> There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations.
> But: in state schools only Turkish is taught. We can not afford other
> languages in state organizations.
> We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> in the school system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 32) You see, you son of a DOG still calling the PKK a terrorist
> organisation!
>
> A: The son of a DOG must be yourself, you obscene Armenian P.O.S.!
> PKK is a worldwide outlawed terrorist organization! It is listed in
> terrorist lists of nearly all countries of the world, except Armenia and
> SouthCyprus...
> PKK is a proscribed terrorist organization! Proof:
> Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK, DHKP-C)
> is
> listed in the following terrorist lists:
> http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
>
> http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
> http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp
> http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html
> http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listslatest.html
>
> http://www.esrcheck.com/articles/article.php?article_id=TerroristSearchandPatriotAc t.htm
> You are NOT allowed to make glorification ads for such criminal
> organizations!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 33) Turks and Turkish establisment is the biggest terrorists this world
> ever seen!
>
> A: ROTFL! :-)))
> Is it because we captured PKK head Abdullah Öcalan and imprisoned him?
> :-)
> You losers!...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 34) You Turks here are brained washed with same fascistic, religious and
> militaristic ideas!
>
> A: It's you and your braindamaged "friends" who have fascistic, racistic,
> militarist ideas,
> not the Turks. You are even making propaganda for the terror
> organization PKK...
> Turks don't support PKK terrorist, but you and your propaganda friends
> from Armenia, SouthCyprus and Greece do so.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 35) recognize the Armenian genocide.
>
> A: There was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
> Why are you endlessly asking this?
> We will not in a million years change our mind! Because
> there was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 36) Orhan Pamuk did it....
>
> A: ROTFL! :-)
> He is just a 3rd class novellist; neither an academician nor an
> historian!
> He was paid by the Armenians.
> Can you give a link to his allegedly work on this theme?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 37) Or have you started recognizing the Armenian Genocide lately,
>
> A: There is nothing to recognize, dumbo! PERIOD!
> It was the Armenians who committed genocide crimes against
> Turks and others by ethnically cleansing the region for their
> promised independent "Greater Armenia", promised mainly by France and
> Russia.
> In 1915 during WWI we Turks have deported them from the region
> since they were collaborating with the Russian enemy.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 38) Describing someone as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
>
> A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes
> with the PKK terrorist organization.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 39) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> establishments.
>
> A: The Turkish constition says there is only one language.
> If you want change this then try it politically in the parliament.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 40) Kurds can not refer to their villages, forests, mountains, rivers,
> county, districts etc, with their Kurdish names
>
> A: Simply because these locations already have a Turkish name.
> Kurds in Turkey belong to Turkey, so they have to use the official
> names.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 41) Kurds can not call their region as Kurdistan
>
> A: Simply because it is TURKEY !
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 42) Kurds can not serve as police officers, teachers or any other public
> services in their own counties.
>
> Bullshit!
> If the Kurdish policeman sympatizes with the PKK then of course he/she
> will no longer be...
> If the Kurdish teacher does not follow the regulations of the Ministry
> of Education (MEB) then of course he/she will no longer be...
> And, many mayors in southeast Turkey are Kurdish origin.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 43) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
>
> A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 44) Carrying or holding any map which showing the Kurdistan is punishable
>
> A: There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil (funny imagination) and
> you cannot show wrong maps. This is like showing a U.S. map where Alaska
> is shown as belonging to the Canadians or to the Russians...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> LastQ: This is all I can remember so far!
>
> LastA: As can be seen, about 95% of what the propagandists say
> is just simple LIE, and the rest is just BULLSHIT aka wishful
> thinking,
> as could be seen above...
>

Ali Asker
10 november 2006, 02:55
So do you understand NOW why you have been constantly called racist,
fascist, kemalist, backward, militarist, NAZI loving Turk?

The ideas and the answers that you have represented below are belonging to
18th and 19th centuries mentalities! You and people like you have no place
in the civilized world and surely definately not in EU!!!

If you really believe all these bull-shit then why are you living in
Germany? Why are you still calling yourself a proud Turk, instead of a
German? Why are you still writing in Turkish language? Why don't you
FUCK-OFF to Turkey? Why do you insist on Turkish TV and Radio channels in
Germany? Why do you have so many Turkish cultural centers in Germany? Why
are you asking for more Mosque in Germany? Why you are able to be elected in
German parliement as a Turk who speaks Turkish freely anywhere in Germany?
Why the hell in the German census Turks identify themselves as Turks even
they have the German passports?

Remember Turks past in Germany only goes back to max 50 years but Kurds have
been in Mezepotamia for thousands of years even before you Mongols came to
Asia-Minor!

DTP is a pro-Kurdish party. It is not as you described a Kurdish party! GUN
TV or SOZ TV are not allowed to speak Kurdish in their programs and even
that they have been constantly closed-down, charged and threatened by the
Turkish establishment! GUN and SOZ are not Kurdish names as same as DTP is
not a Kurdish name they are both Turkish!

Kurds in Turkey uses latin alphabet as well so, the restrictions on the
language does not make any sense at all! Kurdish and Turkish is completely
diffrent languages and it is normal to have X,W Q in Kurdish!

If these letters were so restricted then how come you have Turkish companies
in Turkey with X, W, and Q letters! How come you have many TV and Radio
stations names have these letters i,e Show TV! Your discrimination only
apply to Kurds and anything to do with Kurdish no one else!

You are a fascist, kemalist, racist, backward, nationalist, militarist, NAZI
loving Turk!


"Baba Bey" <babbbaababey@babbaababaabey.org> wrote in message
news:JIKdnflAvvReK87YRVnyrA@giganews.com...
># FAQ: KURDS IN TURKEY
> #
> # Version : 1.00a
> # Last Change : 2006-Nov-9 by "Baba Bey"
> # Initial compilation: by "Baba Bey" on 2006-Nov-9
> # This is a private FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
>
> The enemies of Turkey (esp. Armenians and Cyprus-Greeks) are spreading
> propaganda lies on the net about Kurds in Turkey. Here's a collection
> of the lies with answers given to them.
>
> We Turks would be glad if more people come to Turkey and see
> the situation of the Kurds with their own eyes.
> Kurds have the same rights as every legal citizen of Turkey.
>
> Unfortunately the southeast region is underdeveloped due to the PKK
> terror.
> As is the case anywhere in the world, investors are cautious about
> investing
> any money in unstable regions. Recently the region has stabilized much
> more compared to last years. We hope this will last longer so more
> investments by Turkish and foreign businessmen can be done in th
> southeast Turkey. Turkey has set up for example the huge GAP
> project to develop the eastern and southern regions. It has cost the
> state billions of dollars and took many years.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
> "The Southeastern Anatolia Project (Turkish: Güneydoðu Anadolu Projesi,
> GAP)
> is a multi-sector integrated regional effort aimed at a sustainable
> development
> in the area. The GAP involves eight provinces in Southeastern Anatolia
> (Adýyaman,
> Batman, Diyarbakýr, Gaziantep, Siirt, Þanlýurfa, Mardin, and Þýrnak)
> which are
> located in the basins of the Euphrates and Tigris and in Upper
> Mesopotamia.
> ..."
>
> FYI: since most of the Q&A below are compiled verbatim from newsgroup
> discussions there are unfortunately also some obscene words of these
> enemies in their propaganda texts. There are also some dupe questions
> I think. I'll try to clean these passages in a later version of this
> FAQ
>
> For any comments/suggestions/fixes please reply under this thread in the
> NG, thx.
>
>
> Here we go with the Questions/Statements & Answers:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1) Kurds can not vote for their own political establishments
> (they can't have their own political parties)
>
> A: There are many Kurdish political parties in Turkey.
> One of them has won more than 6% of the votes.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2) What is the name of the Kurdish party?
> Did they ever said "they would only protect the interest of the Kurdish
> people"
>
> A: For example the policitical party DTP.
> The DTP has mayors in 55 municipalities, most of them in
> Southeastern Turkey densely inhabited by Kurds.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Society_Party
> http://www.dtpgm.org.tr/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Party_(Turkey)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kurdish_organisations
> Everybody can create a political party in Turkey.
> It's up to the party what their goal is, how their program looks like.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3) Describing some one as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
>
> A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes with
> the PKK terrorist organization who killed many Turkish soldiers and
> civilians.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 4) Did you ever hear a Kurdish Parlementarian to say he is a Kurd
> or did you ever witnessed them speaking in Kurdish even when
> they are with the Kurds?
>
> A: Yes, even in the House of Representatives (Turkish Grand
> National Assembly, TBMM).
> But that person was brought to court and then jailed,
> as we cannot allow such seperatistic propaganda.
> Nobody must violate the laws. If someone doesn't like a law
> he/she has to change it democratically. If it fails because
> they don't get enough support then they have to live with the law.
> Otherwise they would act undemocratic.
> This is of course the basic principle of any democracy, to look
> for majorities to bring in a new law or to change an old law.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 5) This is exactly what I am trying to say. Your constitution is based on
> fascist Italis constitution back in 1930's which is redesign by the
> Turkish
> military back in 1980 military cerfew
>
> A: Bullshit. Everybody can change the constitution if he/she
> gets enough support in the parliament.
> OTOH, why change it if it is good? Good things last long... :-)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 6) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> establishments.
>
> A: The Turkish constitution says there is only one official language,
> Turkish.
> If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.
> Another language in education system does not make any sense.
> It helps those looking for seperation. This of course cannot be in the
> interest of Turkey.
> And it would cost the state much money and would lead to slow
> administration.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 7) According to Turkish constitution Kurds does not exist, no text in the
> constitutin refers to Kurds or the minorities
>
> A: It also does not mention the many other minorities.
> Does the U.S. constitution mention each of the hundreds of minorites in
> the U.S. ?
> Turkish Kurds are citizen of Turkey. They get a Turkish passport and ID
> card.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 8) So, if it is ok in the US then it should be ok in Turkey as well?
> What kind of mentality is this?
>
> A: (This guy hasn't understood my answer in #7. I don't know what
> he means by "if it is ok in the US". He just makes word tricks
> as usual by these blind propagandists. I guess he has forgotten
> to put twice the word "not" in the first sentence, ie.
> "So, if it is not ok in the US then it should be not ok in Turkey as
> well?" ).
>
> The constitution already covers all minorities in Turkey.
> If you want to change the constitution then convince the
> parliamenterian,
> find a majority and just do it! You have the chance to do it!
> I personally don't think it makes sense to have more than one official
> language in a state; it's costing much and complicating administration.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 9) Kurds can not name their children if the name is not compatibale to
> Turkish
>
> A: This is due the latin characters used in Turkey.
> This is the same in the U.S.: can you name your kid say Ömer ?
> No, you have to call him Omer, Oemer, or Omar... because
> the US does not know the Ö character in their standard ASCII table.
>
> FYI: the Turkish alphabet does not have these characters: W, w, Q, q, X,
> x
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 10) Are you going to mis-spell all the European names?
>
> A: Yes, for example in Germany many Turkish names are misspelled
> because some Turkish characters are not available in German alphabet,
> for example: Ç, Ð, Ý, Þ, ç, ð, ý, þ
> The reverse is true too, for example: ß, W, X, w, x
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 11) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
>
> A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 12) have you ever witnessed the censuses in the USA? If you did then you
> would
> know that every single ethnicity is well noted and specially asked.
>
> A: So, then what is your point?
> The Turkish state tries to treat all people equal.
> Are you asking for "race discrimination" be applied?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 13) Traditional Kurdish clothing is strictly banned in Turkey
>
> A: Reference?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 14) Can you see any Kurdish dressed teachers, parlementarians
> or the students in Turkey?
>
> A: What on hell is "traditional Kurdish clothing"? :-)
> And, what is your point?
> Do you think it would make any sense if Erdogan, the leader of
> the ruling religious party, to wear some arabic religious stuff (LOL!
> :-)?
> He too would not be accepted by the public.
> We have headscarf ban for state institutions, which is good for
> emancipating the women.
> Most EU countries, and also many arabic countries, have this law too!
> We need modern and free people for modernizing the country and the
> society.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 15) Kurds can not wave their own flag
>
> A: LOL! Use the Turkish flag.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 16) Well, turkish flag does not represent the Kurdish people.
>
> A: Sure does it. Kurds in Turkey are Turkish citizen.
> There is no country named "Kurdistan", there is no Kurdish flag.
> Citizens of Turkey are Turkish people and Turkish people are of course
> represented by the Turkish flag, that's all.
> If you want to create a land called "Kurdistan" then do it somewhere
> else because on Turkish soil nobody is going to allow you this.
> If you think otherwise than you are just dreaming. Nobody is going
> to allow you this. Basta, finito, nyet, nada, forget it!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 17) and Kurdistan being called East and South east of Turkey!
>
> A: LOL! There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil; it is TURKEY !
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 18) Kurds are not allowed to have their own TV or Radio stations /
> programs
>
> A: LIE! There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations in Turkey!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 19) Name me one single TV station or even a radio station broadcasts from
> Turkey!
>
> A: "GÜN-TV", "SÖZ-TV", and many radio stations
> See for example these articles:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D4687417-BAB7-426A-9F30-8D16A9DEE206.htm
> http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=24371
>
> http://www.gunradyotv.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=32&lang=tr
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 20) Kurds have every right to determine their own future without being
> part of Turkish establishment!
>
> A: Kurds are free to leave Turkey and go wherever they like!
> Me personally thinks, we would be glad to have less of them.
> ...we should send them to the moon... :-)
> But the reality is unfortunately that more and more Kurds
> from Iran, Iraq, Syria are fleeing their countries and illegally coming
> to Turkey.
> Most because of economic reasons; in Turkey they have better chances.
> We have also about 70,000 illegal Armenians in Turkey from the
> neighbouring
> Armenia, yes the same Armenia who is making propaganda against Turkey...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 21) Kurdish rights in Turkey completely ignored by Turkish government.
>
> A: LIE! Kurds have the same rights as anybody else in Turkey.
> They are nothing special to give them extra rights. It would
> also be against our constitution to treat a group differently.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 22) Kurds are not allowed to speak their own language
>
> A: Bullshit, you can speak any shit language you like.
> But of course not in state buildings as the official language
> of Turkey is of course only Turkish.
> And: there are many Kurdish superstars in Turkey like
> the singer Ibrahim Tatlises...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 23) Kurds are not allowed to learn their language
>
> A: You can learn any shit language you like!
> But in Turkish schools only Turkish is taught.
> If you need other languages then go to a private school.
> We can not afford other languages in state organizations.
> We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> in school and state.
> It is not in Turkey's interesst to support seperatists.
> What we need is unification and simplification,
> not dividing the people and complicating the things.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 24) Why not? People in Armenia, in Iraq, in Israel are allowed learn their
> mother language wheather is Arabic, Kurdish or Hebrew in state schools!
>
> A: On paper you mean.
> Be so, it's their own problem, not ours. We in Turkey, together with
> maybe 99% of the countries in the world have a different view on this.
> We don't want have more than one official language in state.
> And: as said, if you want to change this then you can do so; you just
> need to get the necessary number of voters in the parliament...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 25) Every single EU country welcomes the minority languages. In Finland
> Swidish
> people make up 5% of the population but every Finish government
> officers
> need to know Swidish. Romanic people in Swiss make up 0.5% of the
> people but
> Romanic is one of the 4 official languages in Switzerland!
>
> A: Be so! It's their own stupidity! Not ours. WE Turks, together with
> maybe
> 99% of the other countries in the world, cannot afford such an idiocy!
> Neither logically nor financially.
> If you don't like this then try to change the law.
> If changing the law is not possible because there are not much
> supporters of this idiotic idea then you have to accept the current law.
> Otherwise, if you don't accept or respect the law then it is YOU who
> would behave anti-democratic!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 26) Kurdish identity is not recognised by the Turkish state
>
> A: All citizen of Turkey are Turks, as much like all (legal) citizen
> of the U.S. are U.S. citizens...
> Kurds in Turkey have Turkish citizenship. Kurds in Iran have
> Iranian citizenship etc. etc.
> There are many minorities in Turkey, we treat them all equally:
> We have Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, Arabs,
> Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Pomaks, ...
> See here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Demographics
> "
> The legal use of the term "Turkish" (a citizen of Turkey) is different
> from the ethnic definition. However, the majority of the Turkish
> population are of Turkish ethnicity. Besides the minorities that
> have legal status as defined and internationally recognized by the
> Treaty of Lausanne; namely Greeks, Armenians and Jews;
> ethnic groups include Abkhazians, Albanians, Arabs, Bosniaks,
> Chechens, Circassians, Georgians, Hamshenis, Kabardin, Kurds,
> Laz, Ossetians, Pomaks, Roma and Zazas ...
>
> Though Turkish is the sole official language throughout Turkey,
> broadcasts in local languages and dialects on State media outlets
> include Arabic, Bosnian, Circassian and Kurdish.
> "
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 27) If you live in Turkey then you can not be an Arab, Iranian, Greek,
> Armenian or Kurd you only have one option, which is to call yourself a
> Turk (proud turk) and forget about your language, identity, or culture
> if insisted then you face the genocide!
>
> A: ROTFL! You propaganda liar! See above. There are many
> minorities and foreigners living in Turkey. They are what they are.
> It depends on their citizenship. Turkish Kurds are Turkish citizen.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 28: Politicians of Kurdish origin.
>
> A: There are about 70 politicians in the parliament of Kurdish origin (of
> total 575)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 29) Recognising Free Kurdistan which covers all four countries inc.
> Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq,
>
> A: Never! We don't need a Kurdish terror state in the Middle East.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 30) Turks are currently ethnically cleansing Kurds from the east and
> southeast of turkey (North Kurdistan) to create ethnically pure Turks
> in their country.
>
> A: ROTFL!
> Whom do you think you can convince with such lies, Armenian idiot?!
> We have the problem of a terror organization in Turkey, PKK,
> funded by some enemies of Turkey (Armenia, SouthCyprus etc.)
> Much like the ETA in Spain or the IRA in England.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 31) 15 to 20 million Kurds in turkey can not speak their own language, can
> not have their own TV or Radio stations, can not play or sing their own
> songs, Kurds can not give Kurdish names to their own children, Kurdish
> lands are called east and south-east turkey instead of Kurdistan.
>
> A: That's all lies. See above.
> There are many Kurdish singer superstars like Ibrahim Tatlises in
> Turkey.
> There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations.
> But: in state schools only Turkish is taught. We can not afford other
> languages in state organizations.
> We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> in the school system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 32) You see, you son of a DOG still calling the PKK a terrorist
> organisation!
>
> A: The son of a DOG must be yourself, you obscene Armenian P.O.S.!
> PKK is a worldwide outlawed terrorist organization! It is listed in
> terrorist lists of nearly all countries of the world, except Armenia and
> SouthCyprus...
> PKK is a proscribed terrorist organization! Proof:
> Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK, DHKP-C)
> is
> listed in the following terrorist lists:
> http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
>
> http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
> http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp
> http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html
> http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listslatest.html
>
> http://www.esrcheck.com/articles/article.php?article_id=TerroristSearchandPatriotAc t.htm
> You are NOT allowed to make glorification ads for such criminal
> organizations!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 33) Turks and Turkish establisment is the biggest terrorists this world
> ever seen!
>
> A: ROTFL! :-)))
> Is it because we captured PKK head Abdullah Öcalan and imprisoned him?
> :-)
> You losers!...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 34) You Turks here are brained washed with same fascistic, religious and
> militaristic ideas!
>
> A: It's you and your braindamaged "friends" who have fascistic, racistic,
> militarist ideas,
> not the Turks. You are even making propaganda for the terror
> organization PKK...
> Turks don't support PKK terrorist, but you and your propaganda friends
> from Armenia, SouthCyprus and Greece do so.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 35) recognize the Armenian genocide.
>
> A: There was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
> Why are you endlessly asking this?
> We will not in a million years change our mind! Because
> there was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 36) Orhan Pamuk did it....
>
> A: ROTFL! :-)
> He is just a 3rd class novellist; neither an academician nor an
> historian!
> He was paid by the Armenians.
> Can you give a link to his allegedly work on this theme?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 37) Or have you started recognizing the Armenian Genocide lately,
>
> A: There is nothing to recognize, dumbo! PERIOD!
> It was the Armenians who committed genocide crimes against
> Turks and others by ethnically cleansing the region for their
> promised independent "Greater Armenia", promised mainly by France and
> Russia.
> In 1915 during WWI we Turks have deported them from the region
> since they were collaborating with the Russian enemy.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 38) Describing someone as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
>
> A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes
> with the PKK terrorist organization.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 39) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> establishments.
>
> A: The Turkish constition says there is only one language.
> If you want change this then try it politically in the parliament.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 40) Kurds can not refer to their villages, forests, mountains, rivers,
> county, districts etc, with their Kurdish names
>
> A: Simply because these locations already have a Turkish name.
> Kurds in Turkey belong to Turkey, so they have to use the official
> names.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 41) Kurds can not call their region as Kurdistan
>
> A: Simply because it is TURKEY !
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 42) Kurds can not serve as police officers, teachers or any other public
> services in their own counties.
>
> Bullshit!
> If the Kurdish policeman sympatizes with the PKK then of course he/she
> will no longer be...
> If the Kurdish teacher does not follow the regulations of the Ministry
> of Education (MEB) then of course he/she will no longer be...
> And, many mayors in southeast Turkey are Kurdish origin.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 43) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
>
> A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 44) Carrying or holding any map which showing the Kurdistan is punishable
>
> A: There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil (funny imagination) and
> you cannot show wrong maps. This is like showing a U.S. map where Alaska
> is shown as belonging to the Canadians or to the Russians...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> LastQ: This is all I can remember so far!
>
> LastA: As can be seen, about 95% of what the propagandists say
> is just simple LIE, and the rest is just BULLSHIT aka wishful
> thinking,
> as could be seen above...
>

Baba Bey
10 november 2006, 12:15
"Ali Asker", the Greco-Armenian hate propagandist financed by EU funds Greece and S.Cyprus get from the EU, wrote
>
> So do you understand NOW why you have been constantly called racist,
> fascist, kemalist, backward, militarist, NAZI loving Turk?

Which pig is doing that? :-)
Let me guess: YOU and Panta... All right...
No, only kemalist applies :-)

Of course I too can call you constantly a "racist, fascist, backward,
militarist, nationalist, NAZI loving Armenian-Kurd"... :-)
And later I then could assert, like you did above, by saying
"So do you understand NOW why you have been constantly called
a racist, fascist, backward, militarist, nationalist, NAZI loving Armenian-Kurd?" :-)
Oh boy, your such cheap propaganda shit doesn't work, idiot! :-)

> The ideas and the answers that you have represented below
> are belonging to 18th and 19th centuries mentalities!

No, it belongs to our time and the future.
The future is about "standardization" and simplification of things
and ideas, saving of resources, eliminating unneccessary/ineffective
things/ways; in short: RATIONALISATION, incl. of immaterial things
like education and thinking, especially at work, but also in state and
government work... to be able to compete faster and better on the world markets...

> You and people like you have no place in the civilized world
> and surely definately not in EU!!!

Who needs such a shitty EU ? :-)
We Turks are better off without such an EU, really!

> If you really believe all these bull-shit then why are you living in Germany?

Because Germany is my second home.
I'm living in both countries, but in some years I'll return home finally.
Currently many Turks are returning home to Turkey because
the economic situation in Turkey gets better each day.

> Why are you still calling yourself a proud Turk, instead of a German?

Because I'm a Turk and not a German.

> Why are you still writing in Turkish language?

See above

> Why don't you FUCK-OFF to Turkey?

Nobody dictates to me where to live.
Especially not such a P.O.S. propagandist and liar like you.

> Why do you insist on Turkish TV and Radio channels in Germany?

Nobody does this.
We watch TV directly from Turkey via satellite.
I'm not aware of any program for Turks in Turkish from the German TV stations.

> Why do you have so many Turkish cultural centers in Germany?

I doubt there are "so many".
OTOH: why not? Asked differently: how many should be there?
What is the formula for determining this?

> Why are you asking for more Mosque in Germany?

I never asked for any mosque. I'm an atheist. :-)

> Why you are able to be elected in German parliement as
> a Turk who speaks Turkish freely anywhere in Germany?

Wrong! You need to have German citizenship for this.

> Why the hell in the German census Turks identify
> themselves as Turks even they have the German passports?

Why should someone do this?
In Germany it is discouraged or even forbidden to have
more than one citizenship.

> Remember Turks past in Germany only goes back to max 50 years
> but Kurds have been in Mezepotamia for thousands of years even
> before you Mongols came to Asia-Minor!

And? Does this give you some special rights?
FYI: it is basically we Turks who have established Turkey, not the Kurds.

> DTP is a pro-Kurdish party. It is not as you described a Kurdish party!

Who cares, IMO the same sh*t.
Quote or give reference to the passage of my writing that you mean.

> GUN TV or SOZ TV are not allowed to speak Kurdish in their programs

Bullshit, you are just lying! Prove what you say! Come on!

> and even that they have been constantly closed-down,

I would say you are lying. Prove what you say! Come on!
If they violate the laws then of course it would be normal
to punish/fine them. But I doubt what you say.

> charged and threatened by the Turkish establishment!

Give reference. Every ass can tell such lies like an Armenian... :-)

> GUN and SOZ are not Kurdish names as same as DTP is
> not a Kurdish name they are both Turkish!

Hey, man! It's up to the owners how they name their fucked up
TV/Radio stations, or their political parties!

> Kurds in Turkey uses latin alphabet as well so, the restrictions on the
> language does not make any sense at all! Kurdish and Turkish is completely
> diffrent languages and it is normal to have X,W Q in Kurdish!

Yes in Kurdish. But they are not present in the Turkish alphabet.
Give some example names so that we know what you are talking of.

And, if I'm not wrong there is more than one Kurdish language, isn't it?
Ie. there are several script versions of Kurdish, right?

> If these letters were so restricted then how come you have Turkish
> companies in Turkey with X, W, and Q letters!

This is just a relatively new trend in Turkey. Some weeks ago there
was an article that these characters are officially allowed.

> How come you have many TV and Radio stations names have
> these letters i,e Show TV!

See above

> Your discrimination only apply to Kurds and anything to do
> with Kurdish no one else!

Prove it. Give verifyable examples.

> You are a fascist, kemalist, racist, backward, nationalist, militarist, NAZI loving Turk!

No, only kemalist applies :-)
Of course I too can call you constantly a "racist, fascist, backward,
militarist, nationalist, NAZI loving Armenian-Kurd"... :-)
And later I then could assert, like you did above, by saying
"So do you understand NOW why you have been constantly called
a racist, fascist, backward, militarist, nationalist, NAZI loving Armenian-Kurd?" :-)
Oh boy, your such cheap propaganda shit doesn't work, idiot! :-)


> "Baba Bey" wrote
>
> ># FAQ: KURDS IN TURKEY
> > #
> > # Version : 1.00a
> > # Last Change : 2006-Nov-9 by "Baba Bey"
> > # Initial compilation: by "Baba Bey" on 2006-Nov-9
> > # This is a private FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
> >
> > The enemies of Turkey (esp. Armenians and Cyprus-Greeks) are spreading
> > propaganda lies on the net about Kurds in Turkey. Here's a collection
> > of the lies with answers given to them.
> >
> > We Turks would be glad if more people come to Turkey and see
> > the situation of the Kurds with their own eyes.
> > Kurds have the same rights as every legal citizen of Turkey.
> >
> > Unfortunately the southeast region is underdeveloped due to the PKK
> > terror.
> > As is the case anywhere in the world, investors are cautious about
> > investing
> > any money in unstable regions. Recently the region has stabilized much
> > more compared to last years. We hope this will last longer so more
> > investments by Turkish and foreign businessmen can be done in th
> > southeast Turkey. Turkey has set up for example the huge GAP
> > project to develop the eastern and southern regions. It has cost the
> > state billions of dollars and took many years.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
> > "The Southeastern Anatolia Project (Turkish: Güneydoðu Anadolu Projesi,
> > GAP)
> > is a multi-sector integrated regional effort aimed at a sustainable
> > development
> > in the area. The GAP involves eight provinces in Southeastern Anatolia
> > (Adýyaman,
> > Batman, Diyarbakýr, Gaziantep, Siirt, Þanlýurfa, Mardin, and Þýrnak)
> > which are
> > located in the basins of the Euphrates and Tigris and in Upper
> > Mesopotamia.
> > ..."
> >
> > FYI: since most of the Q&A below are compiled verbatim from newsgroup
> > discussions there are unfortunately also some obscene words of these
> > enemies in their propaganda texts. There are also some dupe questions
> > I think. I'll try to clean these passages in a later version of this
> > FAQ
> >
> > For any comments/suggestions/fixes please reply under this thread in the
> > NG, thx.
> >
> >
> > Here we go with the Questions/Statements & Answers:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 1) Kurds can not vote for their own political establishments
> > (they can't have their own political parties)
> >
> > A: There are many Kurdish political parties in Turkey.
> > One of them has won more than 6% of the votes.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 2) What is the name of the Kurdish party?
> > Did they ever said "they would only protect the interest of the Kurdish
> > people"
> >
> > A: For example the policitical party DTP.
> > The DTP has mayors in 55 municipalities, most of them in
> > Southeastern Turkey densely inhabited by Kurds.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Society_Party
> > http://www.dtpgm.org.tr/
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Party_(Turkey)
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kurdish_organisations
> > Everybody can create a political party in Turkey.
> > It's up to the party what their goal is, how their program looks like.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 3) Describing some one as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
> >
> > A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes with
> > the PKK terrorist organization who killed many Turkish soldiers and
> > civilians.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 4) Did you ever hear a Kurdish Parlementarian to say he is a Kurd
> > or did you ever witnessed them speaking in Kurdish even when
> > they are with the Kurds?
> >
> > A: Yes, even in the House of Representatives (Turkish Grand
> > National Assembly, TBMM).
> > But that person was brought to court and then jailed,
> > as we cannot allow such seperatistic propaganda.
> > Nobody must violate the laws. If someone doesn't like a law
> > he/she has to change it democratically. If it fails because
> > they don't get enough support then they have to live with the law.
> > Otherwise they would act undemocratic.
> > This is of course the basic principle of any democracy, to look
> > for majorities to bring in a new law or to change an old law.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 5) This is exactly what I am trying to say. Your constitution is based on
> > fascist Italis constitution back in 1930's which is redesign by the
> > Turkish
> > military back in 1980 military cerfew
> >
> > A: Bullshit. Everybody can change the constitution if he/she
> > gets enough support in the parliament.
> > OTOH, why change it if it is good? Good things last long... :-)
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 6) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> > establishments.
> >
> > A: The Turkish constitution says there is only one official language,
> > Turkish.
> > If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.
> > Another language in education system does not make any sense.
> > It helps those looking for seperation. This of course cannot be in the
> > interest of Turkey.
> > And it would cost the state much money and would lead to slow
> > administration.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 7) According to Turkish constitution Kurds does not exist, no text in the
> > constitutin refers to Kurds or the minorities
> >
> > A: It also does not mention the many other minorities.
> > Does the U.S. constitution mention each of the hundreds of minorites in
> > the U.S. ?
> > Turkish Kurds are citizen of Turkey. They get a Turkish passport and ID
> > card.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 8) So, if it is ok in the US then it should be ok in Turkey as well?
> > What kind of mentality is this?
> >
> > A: (This guy hasn't understood my answer in #7. I don't know what
> > he means by "if it is ok in the US". He just makes word tricks
> > as usual by these blind propagandists. I guess he has forgotten
> > to put twice the word "not" in the first sentence, ie.
> > "So, if it is not ok in the US then it should be not ok in Turkey as
> > well?" ).
> >
> > The constitution already covers all minorities in Turkey.
> > If you want to change the constitution then convince the
> > parliamenterian,
> > find a majority and just do it! You have the chance to do it!
> > I personally don't think it makes sense to have more than one official
> > language in a state; it's costing much and complicating administration.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 9) Kurds can not name their children if the name is not compatibale to
> > Turkish
> >
> > A: This is due the latin characters used in Turkey.
> > This is the same in the U.S.: can you name your kid say Ömer ?
> > No, you have to call him Omer, Oemer, or Omar... because
> > the US does not know the Ö character in their standard ASCII table.
> >
> > FYI: the Turkish alphabet does not have these characters: W, w, Q, q, X,
> > x
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 10) Are you going to mis-spell all the European names?
> >
> > A: Yes, for example in Germany many Turkish names are misspelled
> > because some Turkish characters are not available in German alphabet,
> > for example: Ç, Ð, Ý, Þ, ç, ð, ý, þ
> > The reverse is true too, for example: ß, W, X, w, x
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 11) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
> >
> > A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> > Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 12) have you ever witnessed the censuses in the USA? If you did then you
> > would
> > know that every single ethnicity is well noted and specially asked.
> >
> > A: So, then what is your point?
> > The Turkish state tries to treat all people equal.
> > Are you asking for "race discrimination" be applied?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 13) Traditional Kurdish clothing is strictly banned in Turkey
> >
> > A: Reference?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 14) Can you see any Kurdish dressed teachers, parlementarians
> > or the students in Turkey?
> >
> > A: What on hell is "traditional Kurdish clothing"? :-)
> > And, what is your point?
> > Do you think it would make any sense if Erdogan, the leader of
> > the ruling religious party, to wear some arabic religious stuff (LOL!
> > :-)?
> > He too would not be accepted by the public.
> > We have headscarf ban for state institutions, which is good for
> > emancipating the women.
> > Most EU countries, and also many arabic countries, have this law too!
> > We need modern and free people for modernizing the country and the
> > society.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 15) Kurds can not wave their own flag
> >
> > A: LOL! Use the Turkish flag.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 16) Well, turkish flag does not represent the Kurdish people.
> >
> > A: Sure does it. Kurds in Turkey are Turkish citizen.
> > There is no country named "Kurdistan", there is no Kurdish flag.
> > Citizens of Turkey are Turkish people and Turkish people are of course
> > represented by the Turkish flag, that's all.
> > If you want to create a land called "Kurdistan" then do it somewhere
> > else because on Turkish soil nobody is going to allow you this.
> > If you think otherwise than you are just dreaming. Nobody is going
> > to allow you this. Basta, finito, nyet, nada, forget it!
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 17) and Kurdistan being called East and South east of Turkey!
> >
> > A: LOL! There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil; it is TURKEY !
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 18) Kurds are not allowed to have their own TV or Radio stations /
> > programs
> >
> > A: LIE! There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations in Turkey!
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 19) Name me one single TV station or even a radio station broadcasts from
> > Turkey!
> >
> > A: "GÜN-TV", "SÖZ-TV", and many radio stations
> > See for example these articles:
> >
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D4687417-BAB7-426A-9F30-8D16A9DEE206.htm
> > http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=24371
> >
> > http://www.gunradyotv.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=32&lang=tr
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 20) Kurds have every right to determine their own future without being
> > part of Turkish establishment!
> >
> > A: Kurds are free to leave Turkey and go wherever they like!
> > Me personally thinks, we would be glad to have less of them.
> > ...we should send them to the moon... :-)
> > But the reality is unfortunately that more and more Kurds
> > from Iran, Iraq, Syria are fleeing their countries and illegally coming
> > to Turkey.
> > Most because of economic reasons; in Turkey they have better chances.
> > We have also about 70,000 illegal Armenians in Turkey from the
> > neighbouring
> > Armenia, yes the same Armenia who is making propaganda against Turkey...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 21) Kurdish rights in Turkey completely ignored by Turkish government.
> >
> > A: LIE! Kurds have the same rights as anybody else in Turkey.
> > They are nothing special to give them extra rights. It would
> > also be against our constitution to treat a group differently.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 22) Kurds are not allowed to speak their own language
> >
> > A: Bullshit, you can speak any shit language you like.
> > But of course not in state buildings as the official language
> > of Turkey is of course only Turkish.
> > And: there are many Kurdish superstars in Turkey like
> > the singer Ibrahim Tatlises...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 23) Kurds are not allowed to learn their language
> >
> > A: You can learn any shit language you like!
> > But in Turkish schools only Turkish is taught.
> > If you need other languages then go to a private school.
> > We can not afford other languages in state organizations.
> > We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> > of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> > state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> > So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> > in school and state.
> > It is not in Turkey's interesst to support seperatists.
> > What we need is unification and simplification,
> > not dividing the people and complicating the things.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 24) Why not? People in Armenia, in Iraq, in Israel are allowed learn their
> > mother language wheather is Arabic, Kurdish or Hebrew in state schools!
> >
> > A: On paper you mean.
> > Be so, it's their own problem, not ours. We in Turkey, together with
> > maybe 99% of the countries in the world have a different view on this.
> > We don't want have more than one official language in state.
> > And: as said, if you want to change this then you can do so; you just
> > need to get the necessary number of voters in the parliament...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 25) Every single EU country welcomes the minority languages. In Finland
> > Swidish
> > people make up 5% of the population but every Finish government
> > officers
> > need to know Swidish. Romanic people in Swiss make up 0.5% of the
> > people but
> > Romanic is one of the 4 official languages in Switzerland!
> >
> > A: Be so! It's their own stupidity! Not ours. WE Turks, together with
> > maybe
> > 99% of the other countries in the world, cannot afford such an idiocy!
> > Neither logically nor financially.
> > If you don't like this then try to change the law.
> > If changing the law is not possible because there are not much
> > supporters of this idiotic idea then you have to accept the current law.
> > Otherwise, if you don't accept or respect the law then it is YOU who
> > would behave anti-democratic!
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 26) Kurdish identity is not recognised by the Turkish state
> >
> > A: All citizen of Turkey are Turks, as much like all (legal) citizen
> > of the U.S. are U.S. citizens...
> > Kurds in Turkey have Turkish citizenship. Kurds in Iran have
> > Iranian citizenship etc. etc.
> > There are many minorities in Turkey, we treat them all equally:
> > We have Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, Arabs,
> > Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Pomaks, ...
> > See here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Demographics
> > "
> > The legal use of the term "Turkish" (a citizen of Turkey) is different
> > from the ethnic definition. However, the majority of the Turkish
> > population are of Turkish ethnicity. Besides the minorities that
> > have legal status as defined and internationally recognized by the
> > Treaty of Lausanne; namely Greeks, Armenians and Jews;
> > ethnic groups include Abkhazians, Albanians, Arabs, Bosniaks,
> > Chechens, Circassians, Georgians, Hamshenis, Kabardin, Kurds,
> > Laz, Ossetians, Pomaks, Roma and Zazas ...
> >
> > Though Turkish is the sole official language throughout Turkey,
> > broadcasts in local languages and dialects on State media outlets
> > include Arabic, Bosnian, Circassian and Kurdish.
> > "
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 27) If you live in Turkey then you can not be an Arab, Iranian, Greek,
> > Armenian or Kurd you only have one option, which is to call yourself a
> > Turk (proud turk) and forget about your language, identity, or culture
> > if insisted then you face the genocide!
> >
> > A: ROTFL! You propaganda liar! See above. There are many
> > minorities and foreigners living in Turkey. They are what they are.
> > It depends on their citizenship. Turkish Kurds are Turkish citizen.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 28: Politicians of Kurdish origin.
> >
> > A: There are about 70 politicians in the parliament of Kurdish origin (of
> > total 575)
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 29) Recognising Free Kurdistan which covers all four countries inc.
> > Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq,
> >
> > A: Never! We don't need a Kurdish terror state in the Middle East.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 30) Turks are currently ethnically cleansing Kurds from the east and
> > southeast of turkey (North Kurdistan) to create ethnically pure Turks
> > in their country.
> >
> > A: ROTFL!
> > Whom do you think you can convince with such lies, Armenian idiot?!
> > We have the problem of a terror organization in Turkey, PKK,
> > funded by some enemies of Turkey (Armenia, SouthCyprus etc.)
> > Much like the ETA in Spain or the IRA in England.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 31) 15 to 20 million Kurds in turkey can not speak their own language, can
> > not have their own TV or Radio stations, can not play or sing their own
> > songs, Kurds can not give Kurdish names to their own children, Kurdish
> > lands are called east and south-east turkey instead of Kurdistan.
> >
> > A: That's all lies. See above.
> > There are many Kurdish singer superstars like Ibrahim Tatlises in
> > Turkey.
> > There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations.
> > But: in state schools only Turkish is taught. We can not afford other
> > languages in state organizations.
> > We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
> > of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
> > state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
> > So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
> > in the school system.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 32) You see, you son of a DOG still calling the PKK a terrorist
> > organisation!
> >
> > A: The son of a DOG must be yourself, you obscene Armenian P.O.S.!
> > PKK is a worldwide outlawed terrorist organization! It is listed in
> > terrorist lists of nearly all countries of the world, except Armenia and
> > SouthCyprus...
> > PKK is a proscribed terrorist organization! Proof:
> > Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK, DHKP-C)
> > is
> > listed in the following terrorist lists:
> > http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
> >
> > http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
> > http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp
> > http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html
> > http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listslatest.html
> >
> > http://www.esrcheck.com/articles/article.php?article_id=TerroristSearchandPatriotAc t.htm
> > You are NOT allowed to make glorification ads for such criminal
> > organizations!
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 33) Turks and Turkish establisment is the biggest terrorists this world
> > ever seen!
> >
> > A: ROTFL! :-)))
> > Is it because we captured PKK head Abdullah Öcalan and imprisoned him?
> > :-)
> > You losers!...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 34) You Turks here are brained washed with same fascistic, religious and
> > militaristic ideas!
> >
> > A: It's you and your braindamaged "friends" who have fascistic, racistic,
> > militarist ideas,
> > not the Turks. You are even making propaganda for the terror
> > organization PKK...
> > Turks don't support PKK terrorist, but you and your propaganda friends
> > from Armenia, SouthCyprus and Greece do so.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 35) recognize the Armenian genocide.
> >
> > A: There was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> > collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
> > Why are you endlessly asking this?
> > We will not in a million years change our mind! Because
> > there was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
> > collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 36) Orhan Pamuk did it....
> >
> > A: ROTFL! :-)
> > He is just a 3rd class novellist; neither an academician nor an
> > historian!
> > He was paid by the Armenians.
> > Can you give a link to his allegedly work on this theme?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 37) Or have you started recognizing the Armenian Genocide lately,
> >
> > A: There is nothing to recognize, dumbo! PERIOD!
> > It was the Armenians who committed genocide crimes against
> > Turks and others by ethnically cleansing the region for their
> > promised independent "Greater Armenia", promised mainly by France and
> > Russia.
> > In 1915 during WWI we Turks have deported them from the region
> > since they were collaborating with the Russian enemy.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 38) Describing someone as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.
> >
> > A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes
> > with the PKK terrorist organization.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 39) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
> > establishments.
> >
> > A: The Turkish constition says there is only one language.
> > If you want change this then try it politically in the parliament.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 40) Kurds can not refer to their villages, forests, mountains, rivers,
> > county, districts etc, with their Kurdish names
> >
> > A: Simply because these locations already have a Turkish name.
> > Kurds in Turkey belong to Turkey, so they have to use the official
> > names.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 41) Kurds can not call their region as Kurdistan
> >
> > A: Simply because it is TURKEY !
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 42) Kurds can not serve as police officers, teachers or any other public
> > services in their own counties.
> >
> > Bullshit!
> > If the Kurdish policeman sympatizes with the PKK then of course he/she
> > will no longer be...
> > If the Kurdish teacher does not follow the regulations of the Ministry
> > of Education (MEB) then of course he/she will no longer be...
> > And, many mayors in southeast Turkey are Kurdish origin.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 43) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds
> >
> > A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
> > Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 44) Carrying or holding any map which showing the Kurdistan is punishable
> >
> > A: There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil (funny imagination) and
> > you cannot show wrong maps. This is like showing a U.S. map where Alaska
> > is shown as belonging to the Canadians or to the Russians...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > LastQ: This is all I can remember so far!
> >
> > LastA: As can be seen, about 95% of what the propagandists say
> > is just simple LIE, and the rest is just BULLSHIT aka wishful
> > thinking, as could be seen above...