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Ali Asker
12 november 2006, 00:45
cafe babel - "Turkey and France in conflict over Armenia":
In France, denying the Armenian genocide could lead up to one year in prison
and a ?45.000 fine

10 November 2006

The recent award of the Nobel Literature Prize to Orhan Pamuk, and the new
law passed by the French national assembly making denial of the Armenian
genocide a crime, have brought this historical event back into the
limelight. The Turkish government is still recovering from the shock. Their
talk of imposing economic sanctions on French companies does seem very
European. They also warned that political relations with Paris threaten to
deteriorate if "hostilities do not cease".

In Turkey, acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide is a crime that can lead
to prison sentences, severe economic penalties, and ostracism from Turkish
society. In a recent interview, a journalist from Turkish Daily News said
that "many intellectuals and communicators are still afraid to speak openly
about these matters in Turkey". Some journalists and writers have been
prosecuted, whilst extreme right-wing groups have attacked, and even killed,
a number of journalists, lawyers and activists dedicated to freedom of
expression and to the promotion of human rights in Turkey. Many violent
attacks have never been investigated and violent groups enjoy relative
impunity thanks to their links with security forces.

European values

There is much talk about Turkey's 'European-ness' and need to adapt to the
pace set by Brussels for its accession to the European Union. If only the
government in Ankara had the moral conscience post-war Germany had, they
would recognise facts which have been documented and acknowledged by
historians. Just as it is a crime to deny the Holocaust in many countries,
playing down or denying the Armenian Genocide is an absolute absurdity in
our world today.

It is estimated that between 1915 and 1921 around 2 million Armenians died
at the hands of the Turkish security forces and army. The Armenians, like
the Jews after them, were accused by the Turks of being in league with those
who wanted to see Turkey destroyed. They were accused of being "Russian
agents" and paid for this with their lives.

European leaders need to be more courageous and emphatic when defending
Europe's democratic values in Ankara, because it is these principles which
are at the heart of the European project. Without values or moral principles
to ensure the defence of democracy, there is not, and neither can there be,
a unified Europe. The economic advantages which the enormous Turkish market
presents for Europe should not be the only factor determining their attitude
towards Turkey.

To deny the Armenian Genocide, a tragedy recorded by many Europeans such as
the philosopher Antonio Gramsci or the historian Arnold Toynbee, would be a
return to the "radical evil" postulated by another European thinker, Hannah
Arendt, in her early writings. This "forgetting" is the result of a
reflexive, voluntary and entirely purposeful attempt to erase all traces of
the truth.

http://www.flash-bulletin.de/index.html

Baba Bey
12 november 2006, 15:45
Nobody left who believes your such propaganda lies, idiot... :-)



"Ali Asker" <pasa_asker@kurdistan.kd> wrote in message news:fit5h.13463$GX2.7652@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> cafe babel - "Turkey and France in conflict over Armenia":
> In France, denying the Armenian genocide could lead up to one year in prison
> and a ?45.000 fine
>
> 10 November 2006
>
> The recent award of the Nobel Literature Prize to Orhan Pamuk, and the new
> law passed by the French national assembly making denial of the Armenian
> genocide a crime, have brought this historical event back into the
> limelight. The Turkish government is still recovering from the shock. Their
> talk of imposing economic sanctions on French companies does seem very
> European. They also warned that political relations with Paris threaten to
> deteriorate if "hostilities do not cease".
>
> In Turkey, acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide is a crime that can lead
> to prison sentences, severe economic penalties, and ostracism from Turkish
> society. In a recent interview, a journalist from Turkish Daily News said
> that "many intellectuals and communicators are still afraid to speak openly
> about these matters in Turkey". Some journalists and writers have been
> prosecuted, whilst extreme right-wing groups have attacked, and even killed,
> a number of journalists, lawyers and activists dedicated to freedom of
> expression and to the promotion of human rights in Turkey. Many violent
> attacks have never been investigated and violent groups enjoy relative
> impunity thanks to their links with security forces.
>
> European values
>
> There is much talk about Turkey's 'European-ness' and need to adapt to the
> pace set by Brussels for its accession to the European Union. If only the
> government in Ankara had the moral conscience post-war Germany had, they
> would recognise facts which have been documented and acknowledged by
> historians. Just as it is a crime to deny the Holocaust in many countries,
> playing down or denying the Armenian Genocide is an absolute absurdity in
> our world today.
>
> It is estimated that between 1915 and 1921 around 2 million Armenians died
> at the hands of the Turkish security forces and army. The Armenians, like
> the Jews after them, were accused by the Turks of being in league with those
> who wanted to see Turkey destroyed. They were accused of being "Russian
> agents" and paid for this with their lives.
>
> European leaders need to be more courageous and emphatic when defending
> Europe's democratic values in Ankara, because it is these principles which
> are at the heart of the European project. Without values or moral principles
> to ensure the defence of democracy, there is not, and neither can there be,
> a unified Europe. The economic advantages which the enormous Turkish market
> presents for Europe should not be the only factor determining their attitude
> towards Turkey.
>
> To deny the Armenian Genocide, a tragedy recorded by many Europeans such as
> the philosopher Antonio Gramsci or the historian Arnold Toynbee, would be a
> return to the "radical evil" postulated by another European thinker, Hannah
> Arendt, in her early writings. This "forgetting" is the result of a
> reflexive, voluntary and entirely purposeful attempt to erase all traces of
> the truth.
>
> http://www.flash-bulletin.de/index.html

Panta Rhei
12 november 2006, 19:25
Blahblah Bey, the lobotomized Turk, writes:

> Nobody left who believes your such propaganda lies, idiot... :-)
>

The ENTIRE WEST knows about the facts and the TRUTH stated in that article,
you primitive, backward Turkish Nazi swine!!!

Baba Bey
12 november 2006, 20:55
"Panta Rhei", the Greco-Armenian propagandist financed by EU funds SouthCyprus gets, wrote
>
> > Nobody left who believes your such propaganda lies, idiot... :-)
> >
> The ENTIRE WEST knows about the facts and the TRUTH stated in that article,
> you primitive, backward Turkish Nazi swine!!!

The primitive, backward Nazi swine is only yourself, Panta idiot! Proof below...

What the ENTIRE WEST knows is such racistic hate propaganda
lies from you and the other Greco-Armenian liars:

Snippets of messages of this Greco-Armenian low-life Panta Rhei,
who endlessly posts Anti-Turkish hate propaganda on the net,
which shows how "educated", how "european", how racistic,
and how dumb he is:
************************************************** **************************
* *
* THE PERSONALITY OF "PANTA RHEI", THE OBSCENE GRECO-ARMENIAN USENET TROLL *
* Vol. 1 *
* Compiled by "Baba", 10/23/2006 *
* *
* FYI: Panta Rhei is a racist and serial Turk hater financed by SouthCyprus! *
* The following snippets are from his recent Usenet postings. *
* You can find them also in the Usenet archives at *
* http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/search?group=soc.culture.turkish&q=Panta+Rhei
************************************************** **************************

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Aww, the little idiot has to suck again on his pacifiers, some
dumb-ass links, to make himself feel just a BIT better in his
miserable "life"! LMAO!

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As they say: a picture is worth more than a thousand words, asshole
Sean Ruttledge! So remember, instead of sick hallucinations, as in your
case, we got many pictures of you and your weird-looking asshole family!
The link will be posted probably soon again on Usenet! LMAO!

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Yeah, asshole Sean Ruttledge, tell him what you know! You are the
expert in pounds! You haven't got any, but you get constantly pounded
here by everyone! LMAO!

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You do come across as a defeated and deranged sicko who has lost
his mind completely after being bitchslapped senseless by most
people on Usenet over the last seven years!

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Aww, poor, bitchslapped Sean Ruttledge has to adopt the name of his MASTER
Panta Rhei again who beats the shit out of him EVERY DAY.

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BTW, asshole Sean Ruttledge: you CAN'T win that game!
You are tooo dumb! LMAO!

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Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.

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No Asian monkey language in European newsgroups, please! Thank you, monkey!

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Then learn some English first, before you post to English speaking forums,
you backward, primitive Turkish pig! You are so abysmally stupid, some of
your compatriots in your stinking Turkish newsgroup start out looking
almost "intelligent", suddenly! LMAO!

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You assume he doesn't know it, you primitive dimwit? LMAO!

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Just so that everyone knows: the creep above is simply a Turk!

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Where is your voice against the injustices in your OWN country,
you Turkish Nazi pig?

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Thank you for exposing Turkish retardation so competently on Usenet,
abysmally stupid Blahblah! LOL

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Never mind, that problem of discerning is quite natural for an asshole like
you, asshole Sean Ruttledge, who managed to get a special place on Usenet
because of his constantly abused anus!

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The only thing you can do, lobotomized Blahblah, is make an ass of yourself
constantly on Usenet!

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But you ARE a Turk, and we do call you Blablah!

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Yeah, well said, stupid cow! <pat> <pat>

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You must be either a cow or a Turk! Hard to tell! LMAO!

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Folks, check the blooming psychosis of asshole Sean Ruttledge:

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Talking about yourself again, eh, you miserable sicko! LMAO!

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seems we have to declare this lobotomized creep Blablah as the new
official village idiot in these groups! LMAO!

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Let's just wait and see how this nation of idiots will look in maybe
10 or 20 years, forever outside of the EU, with a flourishing, oil-rich
Kurdistan as a new neigbour, with Western folks completely fed up with
retrograde, hoodlum, fascist Turkey! <G>

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*LOL*! Thank you for exposing your Turkish retardation so willfully in:
soc.culture.europe, soc.culture.british and soc.culture.usa!

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This is not fascist Turkey here where you can try to shut up people, you
primitive Turkish Nazi pig! You Turkish lowlives are still in need of
eductation from the West! <BG>

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Tell us more about all the things you "know", you sick, depraved, delirious
clown! Will contribute to everyone's entertainment here! LOL

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Yeah, slimy choro-sick, "refrain" from opening your stupid gab in the
future. It's the best thing for you to do, if you don't want to continue to
make a complete ass of yourself! <G>

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choro-sick, the Turkish perverted swine, is an insult to HUMANITY!!! If you
are unable to see that, it shows you can only be another Turk with a
similarly depraved mind-set like him.

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Still struggling with your inability to say something intelligent,
psychopath?

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As you are clearly lobotomized, you will never be able to understand the
difference!

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Try to get a brain!

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Oooh.... the dumb Turk gives an example of his "Turkish wit" again! Off
with you to alt.hopelessbores!

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Yeah, I find that too, Blablah! I'm for anything that makes Turkey appear
as the world's laughing stock! LOL

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Who cares what a depraved piece of shit like you really thinks! It's
obvious for most educated people what you are! Your lengthy statements
about yourself and what you "think" only confirm that you are just a
blathering piece of Turkish shit!

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What you can't see, as you are a lobotomized stupid cunt, is that people
SEE what depraved, backward Turks are hanging out in these groups. It's all
about the victory of Western values over fascist retards of your sort!

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PROJECTION again, asshole Sean Ruttledge!!!! ;-) It's obvious, YOU need a
lot of professional help!!!! We also know, you can't afford it!!!!!
Buahahahaaaaaaa....!

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<BG> Yeah, just say what you mean, dumb cow!!! LMAO!

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Is that storm getting there perhaps from your stinking place, you
hilarious, pathetic dumb troll? Was that what you were implying, you
pathetic, abused keyboard rambo? LMAO!

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Seems, you found finally someone to actually "talk" to, asshole Sean
Ruttledge! But look: it's just another asshole, it's Blahblah!! LMAO!

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All the more fun for me to keep mistreating you, asshole Sean Ruttledge,
till I manage, AGAIN, to make you peep out from behind your killfile for a
short time, full of anguish and blind, impotent rage and with your
predictable psychotic fits! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA.....!!!! You are and will
always simply be: my PUNCHING BAG! LOL!!!

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<BG> You don't mind making a complete ass of yourself, eh, dumb Blahblah!
LMAO! Seems to be your special Turkish "talent"! Hahahaaaaa....

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I admit, I misuse backward, dumb, primitive and fascist idiots of your sort
just for my personal entertainment on Usenet! There is not much you can do
about it, except stop posting with your sort of primitive mind on Usenet!
LMAO!

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And you, did you CHOOSE to be born an asshole, aashole Sean Ruttledge? I
bet you did! Buahahahaaaaaa..... but you are free to correct me, if you
didn't! LMAO!

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Listen, stupid! We can't here explain everything to a subnormal idiot like
you, every time you don't understand something with your limited Turkish
mind, you backward creep! <G>

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Buahahaaaa.... those dumb Turks with computers sure know how to become the
laughing stock quickly in every group on Usenet with their abysmal
stupidity! LOL! Keep proving what "mental" talents you Turks got, dumb
Blahblah! LMAO!

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King Seanie, MASTER of all grik slaves, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see

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<BG> You mean, being polite to a primitive, backward, fascist yokel, such
as you are? Never heard about that! LMAO!

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<BG> Keep guessing, little idiot!

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<BG> Tell us something about the "massive strap-on" that you prefer for
your huge asshole, asshole Sean Ruttledge!! LMAO!

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Still fighting with your inability to say something intelligent, asshole
Sean Ruttledge? LMAO!

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When's your next appointment with your psychiatrist, asshole Sean
Ruttledge? You can't even afford one? Figures! LMAO!

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Yeah, right on, little Turkish nazi pig! Keep crossposting your Turkish
mind to soc.culture.europe! We really ALL want to see rotten Turkey's
cheeky EU bid spoiled! Hahahahaaaaaa.....!

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What's there you don't understand, asshole Sean Ruttledge? "We all", means
we, the civilized folks, in contrast to you, the backward, primitive,
fascist Nazi types (or simply Turks)! <G>

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I doubt that a demented Turkish nazi swine like you is able to see that.

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Are you wearing make up when your fat, ugly Turkish wife does you with her
"massive strap-on", asshole Sean Ruttledge? LOL

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Of course you don't, you lobotomized idiot! Hahahaaaaaaa....

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LOL! You think the Dutch aren't smart enough to have realized by now that
you are nothing but a sick asshole, asshole Sean Ruttledge? You really
think so? LMAO! Priceless!!!

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LMAO! More and more I get the impression you get some sick kick out of
presenting yourself, in as many newsgroups as possible, as the officially
acknowledged asshole of Usenet, asshole Sean Ruttledge, you masochistic,
dumb bitch! Buahahahaaaaaaaa...

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You consider yourself to be the concept of free speech, you abused, dumb,
little Turkish nazi pig? LMAO!

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LOL The poor dolt is probably even proud of being the stupid animal that he is!
Hahahahaaaaaa....!

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Aww! Dumb Blahblah, the retarded, fascist Turk is unable to understand! LOL
Poor, dumb, primitive, fascist Turks can't understand what civilization
really means! LOL

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And yes! alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge, your newsgroup under your REAL name
EXISTS! LOL But please keep denying, twisting and hoping it's not there!
Will add to our entertainment, you struggling little idiot! LMAO!

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Yeah, complain, you sad psycho, your full name on Usenet being: asshole
Sean Ruttledge with his own asshole group under his REAL name! LMAO!

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How's life outside Usenet? You got no idea what I'm talking about, you dumb
asshole? LMAO!

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Think about it! But take a painkiller first, asshole Sean Ruttledge! <BG>

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Hahahaaaaaaa..... asshole Sean Ruttledge turned completely paranoic lately!
No surprise what with all the bitchslapping he's receiving every day from
all sides! LOL

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BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA..... this is priceless: this abused, dumb troll is
still completely UNABLE to accept the existence of his own asshole group
under his REAL name! Well, it IS a shame, too, isn't it, bleeding Sean
Ruttledge! Hahahaaa...

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But, everyone on Usenet can see that you are a swine, choro-sick! And you
prove it with every second post of yours, too! <VBG>

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Buahahahaaaaaaaa...... yes, you REALLY are an asshole, Sean Ruttledge!
And.... you are not ashamed of it, too, it seems! Muahahaaaaaaa....

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Yes, the RICH EU! So why would the Third World Turks want to join the EU?
<BG> Just to keep cleaning the Europeans' toilets, perhaps? LMAO! BTW, one
major reason for not letting rotten Turkey in the EU, is its immense
POVERTY! Sorry, you creeps are just too poor to be allowed to join! What a
cruel world! LOL!

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(to be continued :-)



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Sorry, stupid cow, I never click on any links some official asshole of
Usenet provides. But looks like the link might reflect some of your
"intelligence", moo cow! Buahahahaaaaaaa....

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<BG> Anytime, stupid cow! <pat> <pat>

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Yeah, seems someone KNOWS how to deal with those three retarded Turkish
trolls on Usenet: Sean Ruttledge, the subnormal psychopath, who managed to
get his own asshole group dedicated to him under his REAL name, Blahblah,
the lobotomized Turk and primitive hoodlum, and slimy choro-sick, the
notorious perverted, abnormal Turkish swine! LOL

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Tell us more about all the things you "know", you sick, depraved, delirious
clown! Will contribute to everyone's entertainment here! LOL

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<BG> You a Turk, right? Buahahaaaaaaaa..... Dumb Turks with computers!
Hahahaaaaa....

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<BG> Come on, do your moo trick again, Turkish retard! It's the only time
when you manage to sound a bit "intelligent"! LMAO!

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<BG> Folks, check, above, two Turks engaging in a conversation a la Turca!
LMAO! No wonder these creeps are despised by most people that got to know
them!

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Goes to show that an idiot like you shouldn't start wondering in the first
place! If one sees YOUR posts one KNOWS that stupidity has no limits,
Blahblah, dumb Turk!

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<BG> The dumb Re'vr''nerd feels the need to expose his widely known
retardation again!

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<BG> Trying hard to come across as the retard that you are, dumb
Re'vr''nerd?

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<BG> Seems, you still aren't quite convinced that you are already widely
known as a retard on Usenet, dumb Rev'nerd! Just keep up your effort of
convincing everyone of your retardation! We will be watching your efforts
in that regard! LMAO!

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<BG> Keep up your effort, dumb Re'vr'nerd! LMAO!

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Oh, you do NOT consider yourself to be a psychopath, asshole Sean
Ruttledge? LMAO! So you are getting wrongly abused all the time?
Buahahaaaaaaa....!!

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Yeah, of course, no other two idiots known all over the place like the two
of you and obviously vying for the number one position as Usenet's village
idiot! LMAO!

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Still trying hard to spread the old "news" about you retardation, dumb
Rev'r'nerd? Sure is funny as hell to see you putting in so much effort!
LMAO!

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(to be continued of course :-)