Kolonies op de Golan hoogte

[Vlaamse Leeuw]

Ik heb deze morgen dit gehoord:

Israël breidt kolonies in de Golan uit

Israël gaat het aantal kolonisten op de
Golanhoogvlakte met de helft laten
toenemen. Dat heeft minister van Land-
bouw Israël Katz meegedeeld.

Het aantal joodse kolonisten in de
Golan zou toenemen van 10.000 tot
15.500. Er wonen ook 20.000 Syrische
Druzen op de Golan.

De Golan werd in 1967 door Israël ver-
overd op Syrië. In '81 heeft Israël het
gebied geannexeerd maar dat wordt
internationaal niet erkend.

Volgens de oppositie wil de regering
met de aankondiging bij voorbaat nieuw
overleg met Syrië torpederen.


Wat is jullie mening hierover.

Ik vind dat Israël dat stukje land moet teruggeven aan Syriën en dat ze door het aantal kolonies te verhogen alleen de syriërs provoceren.

[boer_bavo]

Alle nederzettingen buiten de grenzen van Israël zijn enkel bedoeld om te provoceren. 240.000 mensen wonen er. Kan je gerust in een stadje binnen de grenzen laten wonen.

[Aangebrande Phönix]

Alle nederzettingen buiten de grenzen van Israël zijn enkel bedoeld om te provoceren. 240.000 mensen wonen er. Kan je gerust in een stadje binnen de grenzen laten wonen.

En om de eenzame top van Likud te plezieren: Laten we het Ari Al' Sharo'on (Netanyaha bestaat al dacht ik) heten.

[Antoon]

Even alles op een rijtje.

Tot in 1967 werden Israëlische dorpjes en kibboutzim (collectieve boerderijtjes) vanop de Syrische Golanhoogte dagelijks beschoten, en vielen er hierdoor wel wekelijks onschuldige doden. Meestal gewoon boeren, vrouwen, kinderen.

Tijdens de zesdaagse oorlog dat gestart werd nadat de Arabische landen de vernietiging van Israel aankondigden, veroverde Israel het plateau van de Golan, waardoor ook die dodelijke beschietingen ophielden.

Sindsdien heeft Syrië nooit met Israel willen praten, heeft ook Israel nooit willen erkennen. In 1981 besloot de Israëlische premier, Menachem Begin, om die hoogvlakte dan maar te annexeren.

Tot vandaag wilt Syrië niet ernstig met Israel praten. Syrië traint, financiert en commandeert Palestijnse terroristen (PFLP) alsook Libanese moslim-terroristen (Hezbollah) om tegen Israel zoveel mogelijk aanslagen te plegen en zoveel mogelijk slachtingen aan te richten onder haar burgerbevolking.

Israel heeft reeds 35 jaar lang geprobeerd om met Syrië te praten, maar het enige wat Syrië zegt is dat de 'zionistische entiteit' (sic) onvoorwaardelijk de Golan moet afgeven aan Syrië, ... en dan zien we wel.

Ik kan alleen maar Israel steunen in dit dossier. Vandaag heeft Israel bevestigd dat gezien Syrië toch geen vrede wilt sluiten met Israel en toch niet wilt ophouden met het ophitsen van terroristen tegen Israel, ze gewoon verder gaat met het bevolken van de hoogvlakte.

Logisch gevolg.

[Bluelagune]

Ik heb deze morgen dit gehoord:

Israël breidt kolonies in de Golan uit

Israël gaat het aantal kolonisten op de
Golanhoogvlakte met de helft laten
toenemen. Dat heeft minister van Land-
bouw Israël Katz meegedeeld.

Het aantal joodse kolonisten in de
Golan zou toenemen van 10.000 tot
15.500. Er wonen ook 20.000 Syrische
Druzen op de Golan.

De Golan werd in 1967 door Israël ver-
overd op Syrië. In '81 heeft Israël het
gebied geannexeerd maar dat wordt
internationaal niet erkend.

Volgens de oppositie wil de regering
met de aankondiging bij voorbaat nieuw
overleg met Syrië torpederen.


Wat is jullie mening hierover.

Ik vind dat Israël dat stukje land moet teruggeven aan Syriën en dat ze door het aantal kolonies te verhogen alleen de syriërs provoceren.


1 van de stichtingsleden van de PNAC zei ooit: 13 Arabische staten....13 dictaturen!! Zolang de Arabische landen géén democratie willen invoeren mag van mij Israël tot de tanden bewapend blijven en desnoods kolonies uitbreiden. Qua oppervlakte is Israël kleiner dan België( Israël is zo'n 20,770 km2 groot t.a.v 30,510 km2 in België). Een Land zoals Syrië bv. is 185,180 km2 zo'n 12 maal groter als ISraël dus naar mijn verluid hebben ze weinig reden tot klagen!!

[Vlaamse Leeuw]

Qua oppervlakte is Israël kleiner dan België( Israël is zo'n 20,770 km2 groot t.a.v 30,510 km2 in België). Een Land zoals Syrië bv. is 185,180 km2 zo'n 12 maal groter als Israël dus naar mijn verluid hebben ze weinig reden tot klagen!!

Dit is natuurlijk nog geen reden om dat stuk land bezet te houden. Misschien even dezelde situatie dan doortrekken. Bijvoorbeeld België houdt een stuk van Frankrijk in zijn bezit, maar - volgens u - moet dat niet teruggeven omdat Frankrijk nu eenmaal x-keer groter is dan België. Vreemde redenering maakt u.

[PAJOT]

1 van de stichtingsleden van de PNAC zei ooit: 13 Arabische staten....13 dictaturen!! Zolang de Arabische landen géén democratie willen invoeren mag van mij Israël tot de tanden bewapend blijven en desnoods kolonies uitbreiden. Qua oppervlakte is Israël kleiner dan België( Israël is zo'n 20,770 km2 groot t.a.v 30,510 km2 in België). Een Land zoals Syrië bv. is 185,180 km2 zo'n 12 maal groter als ISraël dus naar mijn verluid hebben ze weinig reden tot klagen!!

Dit zijn de grondleggers van het Project for a New American Century :

Irving Kristol : Widely referred to as the "godfather" of neoconservatism, Mr. Kristol was part of the "New York Intellectuals", a group of critics mainly of East European Jewish descent. In the late 1930s he studied at City college of New York where he became a Trotskyist. From 1947 to 1952, he was managing edior of Commentary magazine, later called the "neocon bible."

By the late 1960s, Kristol has shifted from left to right on the political spectrum, due partly to what he considered excesses and anti-Americanism among liberals. Kristol built the intellectual framework of neoconservatism, founding and editing journals such as The Public Interest and The National Interest.

Kristol is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and author of numerous books, including "Neo-Conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea." He is the father of the Weekly Standard editor and oft-quoted neoconservative William Kristol.


Norman Podhoretz : Considered one of neoconservatism's founding fathers, Mr. Podhoretz studies, writes, and speaks on social, cultural, and international matters. From 1960 to 1995, he worked as editor-in-chief of Commentary magazine, a neoconservative journal published by the American Jewish Committee. Podhoretz advocated liberal political views earlier in life, but broke ranks in the early 1970s. He became part of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority founded in 1973 by Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson and other intervention-orriented Democrats.

Podhoretz has written nine books, including "Breaking Ranks" (1979), in which he argues that Israel's survival is crucial to US military strategy. He is married to like-minded social critic Midge Decter. They helped establish the Committee on the Present Danger in the late 1970s and the Committee on the Present Danger in the late 1970s and the Committee for the Free World in the early 1980s. Podhoretz' son, John, is a New York Post columnist.


Paul Wolfowitz : As Deputy Secretary of Defense, Mr. Wolfowitz is No. 2 at the Pentagon and a key architect of the war in Iraq. From 1989 to 1993, Wolfowitz served as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in charge of a 700-person team that had major responsibilities for the reshaping of military strategy and policy at the end of the cold war. In this capacity Wolfowitz co-wrote with Lewis "Scooter" Libby the 1992 draft Defense Planning Guidance which called for US military dominance over Eurasia and preemptive strikes against countries suspected of developing weapons of mass destruction. After being leaked to media, the draft proved so shocking that it had to be substantially rewritten.

After 9/11, many of the principles in that draft became key points in the 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States. During the 1991 Gulf War, Wolfowitz advocated extending the war's aim to include toppling Saddam Hussein's regime.


Richard Perle : Famously nicknamed the "Prince of Darkness" for his hardline stance on national security issues, Mr. Perle is one of the most high-profile neoconservatives. He resigned in March, 2003 as a chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board after being criticized for conflicts of interest. From 1981 to 1987 he was Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy.

Perle is a chief architect of the "creative destruction" agenda to reshape the Middle East, starting with the invasion of Iraq. He outlined parts of this agenda in a key 1996 report for Israel's right-wing Likud Party called, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm."

Perle helped establish two think tanks: The Center for Security Policy and the Jewish Institute for National Security. He is also a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, an adviser for the counter-terrorist think tank Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and a director of the Jerusalem Post.


Douglas Feith : As Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Mr. Feith is the No. 3 civilian at the Pentagon after Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Feith served in the Reagan administration as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Negotiations Policy. Prior to that, he served as Special Counsel to Richard Perle. Before his service at the Pentagon, Feith worked as a Middle East specialist for the National Security Council in 1981-82.

Feith is well-known for his support of Israel's right-wing Likud Party. In 1997, Douglas Feith was honored along with his father Dalck Feith, who wxas active in a Zionist youth movement in his native Poland, for their "service to Israel and the Jewish people" by the pro-Likud Zionist Organization of America at its 1000th anniversary banquet. In 1992, he was Vice President of the advisory board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Mr. Feith is a former chairman and currently a director of the Center for Security Policy.


Lewis "Scooter" Libby : Mr. Libby is currently chief of staff and national security advisor for Vice President Dick Cheney. He's served in a wide variety of government posts. In the first Bush administration, Mr. Libby served in the department of Defense as Principal Deputy Under Secretary (Strategy and Resources), and, later, as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.

Libby was a founding member of the Project for the New American Century. He joined Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Robert Kagan, and others in writting its 2000 report entitled, "Rebuilding America's Defenses-Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century."

Libby co-authored the once-shocking draft of the 'Defense Planning Guidance' with Mr. Wolfowitz for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney in 1992. Libby serves on the Advisory Board of the Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies on the RAND Corporation.


John Bolton : As Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, Mr. Bolton is the top US non-proliferation official. Prior to this appointment, Bolton was senior vice president of the neoconservative think tank American Enterprise Institute. He has held a variety of goverment positions in both the George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan administrations.

Bolton has often made claims not fully supported by the intelligence community. In a controversial May, 2002 speech to the conservative Heritage Foundation entitled, "Beyond the Axis of Evil", Bolton fingered Libya, Syria, and Cuba as "other rogue states intent on acquiring weapons of mass destruction."

In June 2003, Bolton testified to a congressional committee that the US has long seen indications that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program. In July 2003, the CIA and other agencies reportedly objected strongly to claims Bolton made in a draft assessment about the progress Syria has made in its weapons programs.


Elliott Abrams : Since December 2002, Mr. Abrams has been the special assistent to the president and Senior Director on the National Security Council for Southwest Asia, Near East, and North African Affairs. Abrams began his political career by taking a job with Democratic Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson. He held a variety of State Department posts in the Reagan administration.

He was a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute from 1990 to 1996 before becoming president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, which "affirms the political relevance of the great Western ethical imperatives." Abrams also served as chairman of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom.

In 1991, Abrams pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress about the Iran-contra affair. President George H. W. Bush pardoned him in 1992. In 1980, he married Rachel Decter, daughter of neocon veterans Norman Podhoretz and Midge Decter.


Robert Kagan : Mr. Kagan writes extensively on US strategy and diplomacy. Kagan and fellow neoconservative William Kristol co-founded the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) in 1997. Kagan signed the famous 1998 PNAC letter sent to President Clinton urging regime change in Iraq.

After working as principal speechwriter to Secretary of State George P. Shultz from 1984-1985, he was hired by Elliot Abrams to work as a deputy for policy in the State Department's Bureau of Inter-American Affairs.

He is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP). He is also an international affairs columnist for the Washington Post, and contributing editor at The New Republic and the Weekly Standard. He wrote the bestseller "Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order." Kagan's wife, Victoria Nuland, was chosen by Vice President Dick Cheney as his deputy national security advisor.


Michael Ledeen : Seen by many as one of the most radical neoconservatives, Mr. Ledeen is said to frequently advise George W. Bush's top adviser Karl Rove on foreign policy matters. He is one of the strongest voices calling for regime change in Iran. In 2001, Ledeen co-founded the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. He served as Secretary of State Alexander Haig's adviser during the Reagan administration. Ledeen is resident scholar in the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute, where he works closely with Richard Perle. He is also a member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs' advisory board and one its founding organizers.

He was Rome correspondent for the New Republic magazine from 1975-1977, and founding editor of the Washington Quarterly. Ledeen also wrote "The War Against the Terror Masters," which advocates regime change in Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.

William Kristol : Son of neocon "godfather" Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol is currently chairman of the Project for a New American Century, which he co-founded with leading neoconservative writer Robert Kagan. He is also editor of the influential Weekly Standard.

Like other neoconservatives Frabk Gaffney Jr. and Elliott Abrams, Kristol worked for hawkish Democratic Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson. But by 1976, he became a Republican. He served as chief of staff to Education Secretary William Bennett during the Reagan Administration and chief of staff to former Vice President Dan Quayle during the first Bush presidency.

Kristol continiously called for Saddam Hussein's ouster since the 1991 Gulf War. With the like-minded Lawrence Kaplan, Kristol co-wrote "The War over Iraq: Saddam's Tyranny and America's Mission." He is one of the board of advisers of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, established as a counterterrorist think tank after 9/11.


Frank Gaffney, Jr. : Mr. Gaffney is the founder, president, and CEO of the influential Washington think tank Center for Security Policy, whose mission is "to promote world peace through American strength."

In 1987, President Reagan nominated Gaffney to be Assistent Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy. He earlier served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control Policy under then-Assistant Secretary Richard Perle. In the late 1970s, Gaffney served as a defense and foreign policy advisor to Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson.

He is a columnist for the Washington Times and a Contributor to Defense News and a columnist for American Spectator Online, WorldNetDaily.com and JewishWorldReview.com. Gaffney is also one of 25 mostly neoconservative co-signers of the Project for a New American Century's Statement of Principles.