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Je bent dus niet tegen het homo huwelijk? |
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What two adults do behind a locked door is NONE of my business. It is also NONE of your business. |
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Ik denk niet in jouw plaats ik stel een vraag aan u! Maar u laat deze liever onbeantwoord dus? |
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Ben je als voorstander van Romney tegen medicare van Obama? |
[quote=Creed;6271695]Why do euros always try to THINK on behalf of others? Actually, its not just one of those euro "cerebral" types of things. It kind of reminds me of the so-called "tolerant" progressives...
What two adults do behind a locked door is NONE of my business. It is also NONE of your business.[/QUOTE] En het kunnen er zelfs meer zijn dan enkel 2. Maar. Dikke vette 2! Spot on ! |
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@Dixie, de door de moderatie getolereerde troller met niet gefundeerde straffe praat/beweringen, laster, beledigingen etc... HASBAR... op forums trollen zonder ooit enige relevante bron van info te geven. Voila. Zo is het. Maar goed, ik ben pro vrije meningsuiting alhoewel het leugens zijn, maar het zou voordelig voor U en Uw clan zijn af en toe een betrouwbare bron voor al Uw, door menig mens als onzin ervaren propaganda, te geven. Blijft U verder maar gebruik maken van de oneerlijke wetgeving die tegenstanders de mond snoert en onzinnige beschuldigingen van antisemitisme etc,,, JOIN MAX BAUER & Co. Zonder wetgeviing aangaande... wat blijft er over ? Loosers en leugens ! Oh zie ! Zonder smileys kan het ook ! mmm... Desalniettemin, goede dag. Hopelijk kan dit spoedig beter en zonder zever. BTW, zonder U zou dit forum niet meer hetzelfde zijn. Keep trollin maar gebruikt U AUB correcte backup en laat het "kinderachtige" achterwege. Dat is simpelweg te belachelijk. |
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Een Amerikaan geeft kritiek op Europeanen omdat ze kritiek leveren op andere landen. Dat doet men in de VS niet, zeker? |
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Hoe sneller ik daar een antwoord op krijg, des te beter zal ik begrijpen dat men U er zomaar op los laat gaan, vogelvrij. Laat dit alvast opnieuw een bewijs zijn van mijn ontevredenheid. Druk er maar op los jongen, ik verwacht ook een antwoord. Vuile sexuele insinuaties en het verspreiden van geruchten over mijn sexuele geaardheid, waar U trouwens niets over weet, is zeer laag boven de grond. De moderatie staat dat dus toe. Ik zeg er ook niets meer over, maar kom niet janken als ik U terecht aanpak. OK ? edit : Ik heb zojuist mijn eigen post gelezen en dat is 100% juist. Ik trek daar geen woord terug van in. Het is trouwens voldoende PC, als U dat vergelijkt met Uw commentaren over sexuele geaardheid, vlees in de kuip en andere onvernoembare woorden die U steunt... De moderatie zal het wel nazien. Ik wacht er op. Ik ben tegen persoonlijke aanvallen, maar U doet niets anders, oneliners zonder inhoud. Wat denkt U wel ? Verbeter Uw stijl and that's it. Ok ? edit 2: En wat denkt U wel ? Ik ben een deftig lid hier op het forum met vele bijdragen. Ik heb over Uw stijl en vergaande beledigingen van sexuele aard mijn beklag gedaan. Denkt U dat omdat U een bepaalde vlag als avatar hebt dat U zomaar er op los kunt lullen ? Dat is dan ook de vraagstelling, als de moderatie dat belangrijk genoeg vindt zullen ze mij daar een antwoord op geven. Pas nadien kan Uw nonsense klacht bekeken worden. Grow up @Dixie ! Het is reeds 2012 ! Kinderachtig getrol met slecht 1 reden, mij te descrediteren zal zijn gevolgen hebben. Als U de regels van het spel niet aankan, blijf dan gewoonweg WEG. |
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Feit is dat U geen enkel geldig tegenargument kan inbrengen en dat U daarom naar zeer typische trolpraktijken grijpt. Dit werd gemeld, na eindeloze waarschuwingen van mijn zijde. Verder kan men van U nooit een serieus antwoord verwachten. Gisteren nog deed ik een poging om Uw mening te weten te komen. En wat lees ik dan opnieuw ? jodenhater en andere onzinnigheden... Druk er op los jongen, jij bent een TROLL HASBARA !!! BIG TIME !!! Iedereen hier weet dat. En dan spreken we zelfs nog niet over de SUPERTROLLER @Julian (Max Bauer, Grievious) waarmee U zo vrolijk samenspant en vele forummers behoorlijk lastigvalt. Zoals ik trouwens in de door U gehate post vermeldde; ik ben pro vrije meningsuiting zelfs als dat betekent dat er leugens verspreid worden. Blijkbaar is dat een gevoelig punt voor U. So be it. (punt) |
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A guide to Hasbara trolls Hasbara is an Hebrew word defined as explanation. The purpose of Hasbara is to explain and educate western people about the Israeli mission. Hasbara can take many forms, adverts, websites, comments on blogs, letter writing, protests and so on. For a fuller idea of the depth of Habsara check this tool-kit from the We Believe in Israel Website. (made by BICOM). The difference between propaganda and hasbara? I would say Hasbara is more of a soft sell at first, it seeks to inform, influence and educate the ignorant to the Israeli cause. The narrative of Hasbara has a victimized quality underpinning it, a very passive-aggressive approach, Israel is always defending not attacking. They play the mis-understood victim and invite their critics to attack them. The sub-current being that Israel’s message is not understood. Israel views that the reason for this is either lack of education or stupidity. So the Hasbara agents explain until they realise that they are getting nowhere and then respond with disdain and disgust. Social Strategies Key individuals are identified, some support Israel others oppose. These are the influencers, on Twitter they are people with over 1 000 followers and over 1 000 tweets. By seeking to influence and control these key individuals, Hasbara agents can influence many many more. Hasbara trolls on twitter try to act as shepherds for the tweeps, making them go this way or that. A troll traditionally on the Internet is someone indulges in off-topic abuse. (Aha... :roll: ) a troll is someone who posts inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response (Uw aanvallen van sexuele aard !!!!!!) or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. (dat doet U steeds) I believe that calling someone – anti-semite or neo-nazi or racist is inflammatory, unless that is their actual beliefs. :evil: Hasbara Tactics By controlling information one can control people and the social networks. Hasbara volunteers help to police social networks for Israel. The big media are dealt with through BICOM and AIPAC, whilst the social media are policed unofficially by the Hasbara troll brigade. Priority is to stop influencers being compromised by anti-Israel sentiment. Hasbara Troll brigade Hasbara Trolls are generally quite polite at first. They pop up when someone is critical of Israel and it’s policies or interests. They target, write, engage, educate and insult. From my research it seems that there is some kind of hierarchy of trolls, they have leaders who tell them targets and guide them with their spin. Most work voluntarily but some are paid for by wealthy sponsors. They track topical keywords and persons using public websites such as topsy.com. Problems arise if one rejects the explanations being offered by the trolls, then their troll nature becomes apparent very quickly as they resort to smears and abuse. Hasbara Troll attributes Supreme point of view The Hasbara troll knows best Condescending & Patronising Socialist (Smart and ‘caring’) Do not have to be Jewish but Pro-Israel Internet experts Narcissistic Provocative Dis-ruptive Like to ask the questions, not answer questions (Nooit !!!) Control freaks Inflamed by anyone being critical of Israel ‘Moral’ Guardians Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier Adept with social networks well trained on IT Hasbara trolls use internet alerts to warn them when hot keywords are mentioned. Keywords such as Israel, Jewish, Judaism etc. When those words are mentioned they are alerted and they go to investigate who is talking about what. I have seen this happen many times with Gilad Atzmon, someone will post something from Gilad, shortly afterwards they are bombarded by hasbara trolls. Initially they explain where they had gone wrong and try to ‘educate’ people with their ideology. Usually they say something like Do you know Gilad Atzmon is a notorious… anti-semite? neo-nazi, holocaust denier. etc.. etc. The way to spot the troll is the inflammatory language. If Gilad was a anti-semite it should be self evident but he says quite clearly in his book “the Wandering Who” . “In this book i will try to untangle the knot. I will present a harsh criticsm of Jewish politics and identity. Yet it is crucial to mention at this early stage that there will be not a single reference to Jews as ethnicity or race. In my writing, I differentiate between Jews (the people), Judaism (the religion) and Jewish-ness (the ideology). This book does not deal with Jews as a people or ethnicity. If anything, my studies of this issue suggest that Jews do not form any kind of racial continuum. In short, those who are searching for blood or race-related interpretation on Zionism will have to look for it in someone else’s work.” Gilad Atzmon P15 Chapter 1 -The Wandering Who. Types of Jewishness Jews (the people) – born a jew, being jewish. Judaism (the religion) – Jewish beliefs. Jewish-ness (the ideology) – Jewish ideas Despite Gilad Atzmon making a clear and unequivocal point above, it has not stopped many zombie zionist hasbara trolls from accusing him time and time again and many others of anti-semitism or being a neo-nazi. What is wrong with these pathetic and misguided people? Can’t they read, or have their brains just curdled in their own cranium. The truth is they choose not to read or listen or debate. I would actually say, those people who advocate every interventionalist war in the name of freedom of speech, democracy and pluralism, are operating in the west as gatekeepers, censors and resent any form of intellectual debate - Gilad Atzmon These people are the new Book burners !!!!!!!, those that oppose freedom in all its forms. These Hasbara trolls oppose free speech and try to suppress open and free debate and instead replace it with their own hasbara wash & spin. It is astonishing the amount of times I have seen trolls warning people not to read this book or that book. Why do we have all these twitter trolls trying to influence what people choose to read? Are they the people of the anti book?- Gilad Atzmon We must unite to name and shame these despicable individuals as they try to suppress free and open debate. These people pose a great threat to our political systems and must be identified to stop them spreading their vile mis-information far and wide. Zionists Trolls Troll techniques Turn up randomly asking question about Israel, trying to engage/educate. Guilt by association, they point to some source your are linked to as being anti-semitic or neo-nazi. Opportunity to redeem – the offer chance to recant from your naive ways. Smears and insults – if the top 3 fail then it’s just character assassination. (trachten te descrediteren met commentaar van sexuele aard en het in verband stellen van een forummer met een andere forummer van bepaalde geaardheid !!! @Dixie) Name bombing – using seo in blackhat ways to denounce and smear people. ie website with 37 mentions of someones name will prob get a Page one on Google. Hasbara trolls generally follow the rules of social networks, because they want to continue to influence people and subvert open and free debate. Hasbara being guided by CST Hasbara being guided by CST After repeated attempts to indoctrinate you, I mean educate you, the Hasbara trolls then resort to name bombing. Mentioning a persons name as many times as possible on social network sites to create negative report with strong SEO. Basically using the internetto smear people to the maximum. Hasbara Trolls are well organised and have links they point to to prove their flaky points. Although the links these trolls cite are often from their own hasbara chums and the blogs they reference do not have original source material just second hand re-cobbled quotes. Gilad Atzmon is not an anti-semite or a Holocaust denier Tom Watsonbut there are many who would like us to think so. The question is why? To dis-credit him and his ideas. But it is not just Gilad Atzmon who is the target of the Hasbara trolls the list is long and growing. To the right are a series of tweets from #Joe86pw, I have observed him part-time trolling on many occasions. Here he spots that Tom Watson famous Labour MP is thinking of buying a new book by Mearsheimer. – “Why leaders Lie” . Joe spots this tweet and shortly after is tweeting a helpful warning to Tom Watson MP (Hackgate MP) about that dangerous book. In these following tweets we see the “Emma Rosenthal” guiding a troll. @johne326 got upset when I placed him on my troll list. I asked him why he was trolling Gilad Atzmon and he responded to me that it was clear to him that Gilad Atzmon is an anti-semite. All I want to say is this John, ” look up the definition of trolling”. I have never been into politics but sure enough the lovely open-minded “Emma Rosenthal” wastes no time at all in denouncing me as a “White supremacist”. emma_rosenthal 2:09pm via Web .@jonathonblakele @johne326 by trolling they mean disagreeing, adding to the discourse? oooh wow sensitive white supremacists aren’t they? emma_rosenthal 2:11pm via Web .@johne326 you don’t get it. it’s ruder to actually oppose racism than to advocate it. don’t be so sensitive! emma_rosenthalJust mentioning Gilad Atzmon on twitter is sufficient to attract the Hasbara vermin within a very short time. They all know each other as well and they enjoy bullying dissenters with their chums. Really it is just like being back at school being bullied by the school gang. Usually the lead bully goes into to attack whilst others stand by making encouraging noises. We are ‘told’ that we live in a free society, but we don’t! Free speech and debate are being squashed by the likes of BICOM, AIPAC and a small army of annoying Hasbara trolls. We must work together to stop them. From Truth comes Peace. |
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