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Peche 20 april 2016 09:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 8074513)
Zelden iets boeiends op alien-vlak, dat is waar.
Maar het is wel boeiend om te zien hoe graag mensen iets willen geloven.

Zoals Fox Mulder al zei, week na week en straks opnieuw :


Gij weet evengoed als ik dat waar rook is...
Er is "iets" Parcifal.
Maar ik vraag mij af: wat als het wij gewoon zijn?

Dat in tijden van de Jetsons al die tech al bestond voor regeringen, maar dat er voor het volk vertraging op zit.

Micele 20 april 2016 14:08

Alles fake, de mensen, de puur-analoge radars, de luchtverkeersleiders, ook de gazetten van 1952 waren vervalst, het was maar om te lachen:
FAKEtoetje joepidoe LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hObI12DD3-Y

http://exopolitics.org/nazi-ufos-fle...space-program/

Het waren vliegende schotels van de Nazi-SS, 7 jaar na het einde van WOII, LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_W...._UFO_incident

Events of July 19–20[edit]
At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air traffic controller at Washington National Airport (today Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport), spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles (24 km) south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:

We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft.[1]
Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects, "a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it."[1]

At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before." As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed." Meanwhile, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude." On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects — "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" — over a 14-minute period.[2] Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope."

At Andrews Air Force Base, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times."[2] At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews Air Force Base were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time.[3] At 3 a.m., shortly before two United States Air Force F-94 Starfire jet fighters from New Castle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly." [4] The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. Around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, claimed to observe "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent."

Publicity and Air Force reaction[edit]
The sightings of July 19–20, 1952, made front-page headlines in newspapers around the nation. A typical example was the headline from the Cedar Rapids Gazette in Iowa. It read "SAUCERS SWARM OVER CAPITAL" in large black type.[5] By coincidence, USAF Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, the supervisor of the Air Force's Project Blue Book investigation into UFO sightings, was in Washington at the time. However, he did not learn about the sightings until Monday, July 21, when he read the headlines in a Washington-area newspaper.[6] After talking with intelligence officers at the Pentagon about the sightings, Ruppelt spent several hours trying to obtain a staff car so he could travel around Washington to investigate the sightings, but was refused as only generals and senior colonels could use staff cars. He was told that he could rent a taxicab with his own money; by this point Ruppelt was so frustrated that he left Washington and flew back to Blue Book's headquarters at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio.[7] Before leaving Washington, Ruppelt did speak with an Air Force radar specialist, Captain Roy James, who felt that unusual weather conditions could have caused the unknown radar targets.[8]

Events of July 26–27[edit]
At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952, a pilot and stewardess on a National Airlines flight into Washington observed some strange lights above their plane. Within minutes, both radar centers at National Airport, and the radar at Andrews AFB, were tracking more unknown objects. A master sergeant at Andrews visually observed the objects; he later said that "these lights did not have the characteristics of shooting stars. There was [sic] no trails . . . they traveled faster than any shooting star I have ever seen." [9]

Meanwhile, Albert M. Chop, the press spokesman for Project Blue Book, arrived at National Airport and, due to security concerns, denied several reporters' requests to photograph the radar screens. He then joined the radar center personnel.[10] By this time (9:30 p.m.) the radar center was picking up unknown objects in every sector. At times the objects traveled slowly; at other times they reversed direction and moved across the radarscope at speeds calculated at 7,000 mph. At 11:30 p.m., two U.S. Air Force F-94 Starfire jet fighters from New Castle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived over Washington. Captain John McHugo, the flight leader, was vectored towards the radar blips but saw nothing, despite repeated attempts.[11] However, his wingman, Lieutenant William Patterson, did see four white "glows" and chased them. Suddenly, the "glows" appeared to turn and surround his fighter. Patterson asked the control tower at National Airport what he should do; according to Chop, the tower's answer was "stunned silence". According to Patterson, the four "glows" then sped away from his jet and disappeared.[12]

After midnight on July 27, Major Dewey Fournet, Project Blue Book's liaison at the Pentagon, and Lieutenant John Holcomb, a United States Navy radar specialist, arrived at the radar center at National Airport.[13] During the night, Lieutenant Holcomb received a call from the Washington National Weather Station. They told him that a slight temperature inversion was present over the city, but Holcomb felt that the inversion was not "nearly strong enough to explain the 'good and solid' returns" on the radarscopes.[14] Fournet relayed that all those present in the radar room were convinced that the targets were most likely caused by solid metallic objects. There had been weather targets on the scope too, he said, but this was a common occurrence and the controllers "were paying no attention to them."[15] Two more F-94s from New Castle Air Force Base were scrambled during the night. One pilot saw nothing unusual; the other pilot moved towards a white light which "vanished" when he closed in. A Capital Airlines flight leaving Washington spotted "odd lights" which remained visible for about twelve minutes.[16] As on July 20, the sightings and unknown radar returns ended at sunrise.

White House concern and the "shoot-down" order[edit]
The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt to ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by a temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation.[17]

CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."[18]

White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down."

However, Air Force headquarters also put out statements that the unidentified flying objects were no threat to the United States and not controlled by “a reasoning body.”[19]

Air Force explanation[edit]
In response to the INS "shoot-down" stories, to calm rising public anxiety[20] and answer the news media's questions about the sightings — and, hopefully, to slow down the numbers of UFO reports being sent to Blue Book, which were clogging normal intelligence channels — Air Force Major Generals John Samford, USAF Director of Intelligence, and Roger Ramey, USAF Director of Operations, held a well-attended press conference at the Pentagon on July 29, 1952.[21] It was the largest Pentagon press conference since World War II.[22] Press stories called Samford and Ramey the Air Force's two top UFO experts.[23]

Samford was heavily influenced by Capt. Roy James, who had discussed the sightings with him earlier in the day and who also spoke at the conference. Samford declared that the visual sightings over Washington could be explained as misidentified aerial phenomena (such as stars or meteors). Samford also stated that the unknown radar targets could be explained by temperature inversion, which was present in the air over Washington on both nights the radar returns were reported.

In addition, Samford argued that the radar contacts were not caused by solid material targets, and therefore posed no threat to national security. In response to a question as to whether the Air Force had recorded similar UFO radar contacts prior to the Washington incident, Samford admitted that there had been "hundreds" of such contacts where Air Force fighter interceptions had taken place, but stated they were all "fruitless." The conference proved to be successful "in getting the press off our backs", Ruppelt later wrote.[24]

Among the witnesses who supported Samford's explanation was the crew of a B-25 bomber, which had been flying over Washington during the sightings of July 26–27. The bomber was vectored several times by National Airport over unknown targets on the airport's radarscopes, yet the crew could see nothing unusual. Finally, as a crew member related, "the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."[25] Air Force Captain Harold May was in the radar center at Andrews AFB during the sightings of July 19–20. Upon hearing that National Airport's radar had picked up an unknown object heading in his direction, May stepped outside and saw "a light that was changing from red to orange to green to red again...at times it dipped suddenly and appeared to lose altitude." However, May eventually concluded that he was simply seeing a star that was distorted by the atmosphere, and that its "movement" was an illusion.[26] At 3 a.m. on July 27, an Eastern Airlines flight over Washington was told that an unknown object was in its vicinity; the crew could see nothing unusual. When they were told that the object had moved directly behind their plane, they began a sharp turn to try to see the object, but were told by National Airport's radar center that the object had "disappeared" when they began their turn. At the request of the Air Force, the CAA's Technical Development and Evaluation Center did an analysis of the radar sightings. Their conclusion was that "a temperature inversion had been indicated in almost every instance when the unidentified radar targets or visual objects had been reported."[27] Project Blue Book would eventually label the Washington radar objects as "mirage effects caused by double inversion" and the visual sightings as "meteors coupled with the normal excitement of witnesses."[28] In later years two prominent UFO skeptics, Dr. Donald Menzel, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Philip Klass, a senior editor for Aviation Week magazine, would also argue in favor of the temperature inversion/mirage hypothesis.[29]

Criticisms of the Air Force explanation[edit]
Almost from the moment of General Samford's press conference, eyewitnesses, UFO researchers, and Air Force personnel came forward to criticize the temperature inversion/mirage explanation. Captain Ruppelt noted that Major Fournet and Lt. Holcomb, who disagreed with the Air Force's explanation, were not in attendance at Samford's press conference. Ruppelt himself discovered that "hardly a night passed in June, July, and August in 1952 that there wasn't a [temperature] inversion in Washington, yet the slow-moving, solid radar targets appeared on only a few nights."[30]

According to a story printed by INS, the United States Weather Bureau also disagreed with the temperature inversion hypothesis, one official stating that "such an inversion ordinarily would appear on a radar screen as a steady line, rather than as single objects as were sighted on the airport radarscope."[31]

Also, according to Ruppelt, when he was able to interview the radar and control tower personnel at Washington National Airport, not a single person agreed with the Air Force explanation. Michael Wertheimer, a researcher for the government-funded Condon Report, investigated the case in 1966. He found that the radar witnesses still disputed the Air Force explanation, but that did not stop the report from agreeing with the temperature inversion/mirage explanation.[32] Ruppelt related that on July 27 the control tower at Washington National had called the control tower at Andrews AFB and notified them that their radar had an unknown object just south of the Andrews control tower, directly over the Andrews AFB radio range station. According to Ruppelt, when the Andrews control tower personnel looked they all saw "a huge fiery-orange sphere" hovering over the range station.[33] When Ruppelt interviewed the tower personnel several days later, they insisted that they had been mistaken and had merely seen a bright star. However, when Ruppelt checked an astronomical chart he found that there were no bright stars over the station that night, and that he had "heard from a good source that the tower men had been 'persuaded' a bit" by superior officers to claim that their sighting was merely a star.[34]

There were also witnesses who claimed to see structured craft and not merely "glows" or bright lights. On July 19 an Army artillery officer, Joseph Gigandet, was sitting on the front porch of his home in Alexandria, Virginia, across the Potomac River from Washington. At 9:30 p.m. he claimed to see "a red cigar-shaped object" which sailed slowly over his house. Gigandet estimated the object's size as comparable to a DC-7 airplane at about 10,000 feet altitude; he also claimed that the object had a "series of lights very closely set together" on its sides. The object eventually flew back over his house a second time, which led Gigandet to assume that it was circling the area.[35] When the object flew away a second time, it turned a deeper red color and moved over the city of Washington itself; this occurred less than two hours before Edward Nugent first spotted the unknown objects on his radar at Washington National. Gigandet claimed that his neighbor, an FBI agent, also saw the object.[35] Dr. James E. McDonald, a physicist at the University of Arizona and a prominent ufologist in the 1960s, did his own analysis of the Washington sightings. After interviewing four pilot eyewitnesses and five radar personnel, McDonald argued that the Air Force explanation was "physically impossible."[36] Harry Barnes told McDonald that the radar targets "were not shapeless blobs such as one gets from ground returns under anomalous propagation", and that he was certain the unknown radar blips were solid targets; Howard Cocklin agreed with Barnes.[36]

The Robertson Panel[edit]
The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Both groups felt that an enemy nation could deliberately flood the U.S. with false UFO reports, causing mass panic and allowing them to launch a sneak attack. On September 24, 1952, the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) sent a memorandum to Walter B. Smith, the CIA's Director. The memo stated that "the flying saucer situation . . . have national security implications . . . [in] the public concern with the phenomena . . . lies the potential for the touching-off of mass hysteria and panic."[37] The result of this memorandum was the creation in January 1953 of the Robertson Panel. Dr. Howard P. Robertson, a physicist, chaired the panel, which consisted of prominent scientists and which spent four days examining the "best" UFO cases collected by Project Blue Book. The panel dismissed nearly all of the UFO cases it examined as not representing anything unusual or threatening to national security. In the panel's controversial estimate, the Air Force and Project Blue Book needed to spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them. The panel recommended that the Air Force and Project Blue Book should take steps to "strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired."[38] Following the panel's recommendation, Project Blue Book would rarely publicize any UFO case that it had not labeled as "solved"; unsolved cases were rarely mentioned by the Air Force.

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Diego Raga 20 april 2016 14:55

Oepsie...!!

UFO-spotter ontdekt buitenaards object, “maar NASA wil het verborgen houden”

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160420_02247682

GandalftheGrey 20 april 2016 15:03

Ze bestaan inderdaad!
Vanmorgen één gezien in m'n badkamer.
Angstaanjagend creatuur.

Het Oosten 20 april 2016 15:06

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door GandalftheGrey (Bericht 8074879)
Ze bestaan inderdaad!
Vanmorgen één gezien in m'n badkamer.
Angstaanjagend creatuur.

Opgelet :"Wie het laatst lacht, het best lacht."

Zou ook kunnen natuurlijk.

Diego Raga 20 april 2016 15:45

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door GandalftheGrey (Bericht 8074879)
Ze bestaan inderdaad!
Vanmorgen één gezien in m'n badkamer.
Angstaanjagend creatuur.

Best je spiegel verwijderen dan.

Diego Raga 20 april 2016 15:47

UFO-spotter ontdekt buitenaards object, “maar NASA wil het verborgen houden”

Of was het 'n vuile onderbroek van de ISS-boordcommandant, die de NASA persé buiten beeld wilde houden ?

Micele 20 april 2016 17:30

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Diego Raga (Bericht 8074938)
UFO-spotter ontdekt buitenaards object, “maar NASA wil het verborgen houden”

Of was het 'n vuile onderbroek van de ISS-boordcommandant, die de NASA persé buiten beeld wilde houden ?

Parcifal denkt eerder aan een onderbroek. Maar het kunnen ook 4 onderbroeken geweest zijn vanaf 1´10". LOL

GandalftheGrey 20 april 2016 17:39

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Diego Raga (Bericht 8074936)
Best je spiegel verwijderen dan.

Hielp niet ...:-o

parcifal 20 april 2016 17:41

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Diego Raga (Bericht 8074938)
UFO-spotter ontdekt buitenaards object, “maar NASA wil het verborgen houden”

Of was het 'n vuile onderbroek van de ISS-boordcommandant, die de NASA persé buiten beeld wilde houden ?

Oh nee, we worden bezocht door vage vlekken die ergens in de ruimte rond ISS niets hangen te doen.

Iedereen onder zijn bed met een pan op zijn kop en Awoe Nasa, de vuile vlek-verbergers. :lol:


Peche 21 april 2016 06:47

Perception, it's a tricky thing.
Maar Parcifal weet heel goed dat er iets is, alleen niet wat het is.
Probeert daarin rationeel te blijven, maar laten we uw quote eens ontleden.
Beginnend bij: Wat is de realiteit?
Is de mens in staat de realiteit ten volle uit te filteren of is zijn perceptie eerder beperkt?

Irsan 21 april 2016 10:51

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 8075039)
Oh nee, we worden bezocht door vage vlekken die ergens in de ruimte rond ISS niets hangen te doen.

Iedereen onder zijn bed met een pan op zijn kop en Awoe Nasa, de vuile vlek-verbergers. :lol:


Ik heb even je quote opgezocht, en hij blijkt te komen van iemand die claimt ontvoerd te zijn geweest door aliens! Komt uit het boek "Fire in the Sky" van Travis Walton.

Nog een skepticus die een "fantast" gebruikt om zijn argument kracht bij te zetten. :lol::lol:

Ik ga uiteraard met de quote!

Irsan 21 april 2016 11:38

Hier een interview met Travis Walton die zegt dat hij ontvoerd is door aliens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwy-A0OtQIA

Hier de getuigenis van een van de werkmensen die erbij waren toen hij ontvoerd werd. Deze man heeft 30 jaar gezwegen maar komt nu toch naar voor om Travis Walton te steunen!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4fSCzT0yzI

Interessant is dat deze man zegt dat hij 10.000 dollar aangeboden heeft gekregen om te zeggen dat het een leugen was, door Phillip Klass, een UFO debunker.

Eerder in deze topic had ik ook een een link gepost van Steven Greer waarin Philip Klass geuit wordt als CIA desinformant... hmmm... connect the dots!

Micele 21 april 2016 11:43

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Irsan (Bericht 8075707)
Ik heb even je quote opgezocht, en hij blijkt te komen van iemand die claimt ontvoerd te zijn geweest door aliens! Komt uit het boek "Fire in the Sky" van Travis Walton.

Nog een skepticus die een "fantast" gebruikt om zijn argument kracht bij te zetten. :lol::lol:

Ik ga uiteraard met de quote!

Goede quote. :-)

Micele 21 april 2016 12:00

Interessant interview van een gepensioneerde CIA-man (fictief #Stein) die uit de biecht klapt (wslk kort voor zijn dood):

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http://www.nexus-magazin.de/artikel/...litaer-und-cia

Streng geheime UFO-Untersuchung durch US-Militär und CIA

Ein ehemaliger amerikanischer Armeeleutnant, der Ende der 1950er Jahre für die CIA gearbeitet hat, gibt außergewöhnliche Informationen über die frühen deutschen UFO-Entwicklungen preis und legt offen, was Amerikas Regierung und Militär wirklich über UFOs wussten.

27. August 2008, Albuquerque, New Mexico – Vor zehn Jahren, im April 1998, rief mich ein Mann aus Kalifornien an und sagte, er kenne jemanden, dessen Schwiegervater Ende der 1950er Jahre für die CIA gearbeitet und unter anderem auch UFO-Untersuchungen durchgeführt habe. Der Anrufer meinte, ich solle doch einmal mit dem Schwiegersohn sprechen, um so vielleicht mit dem 62-jährigen Schwiegervater in Kontakt zu kommen, der im Südwesten der USA lebte und dessen Gesundheitszustand sich zunehmend verschlechterte.

Also rief ich den Schwiegersohn an, der sich „SD“ nannte. Wir redeten lange über meine Laufbahn als investigative Journalistin, im Rahmen derer ich schon als Fernsehproduzentin, Dokumentarfilmerin, Radioreporterin und Autorin tätig gewesen bin und mich mit Themen beschäftigt hatte, die einen breiten Bogen von Wissenschaft und Umwelt bis hin zu rätselhaften Phänomenen und auch UFO-Vorkommnissen spannen. SD versprach, mit seinem Schwiegervater zu reden und mich dann wissen zu lassen, ob ich diesen kontaktieren dürfe – sei es nun offiziell oder im Vertrauen. Ich versicherte SD, dass ich das, was sein Schwiegervater mir zu erzählen habe, auf Wunsch absolut vertraulich behandeln würde. Schließlich rief SD mich zurück, um mir die Telefonnummer seines Schwiegervaters zu geben. Am 2. Mai 1998 wählte ich dann die Nummer des #ehemaligen CIA- und Militäranalysten, den ich im Folgenden „#Stein“ nennen werde.
[...]
5 pagina´s...
Nazi´s die (1938) samenwerkten met Aliens? En zelfs UFO´s bouwden...

De Duitse Vril-Gesellschaft heeft blijkbaar alternatieve energiebronnen ontwikkeld in contact met Aliens (sinds 1917 ergens volgens # Stein)
Iemand van Duitse Vril-Gesellschaft gehoord?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril-Gesellschaft
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_du_Vril

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LH: Wurden Photos von diesen Wesen gemacht?

Stein: Ich habe auf der Militärbasis im Südosten Photos von ihnen gesehen, im Rahmen unserer streng geheimen Arbeit dort. Doch ich besaß zudem eine hohe Sicherheitsfreigabe vom Weißen Haus, und immer wenn ich in Washington, DC, im CIA-Hauptquartier war und Zeit hatte, ging ich in die Bibliothek und las viel über dieses Thema. Ich zog einfach meine Karte durch das Schloss und bekam Zutritt. Dort erfuhr ich auch, dass die Nazis Flugscheiben gebaut haben.

LH: Wurden in dem Bericht über den Absturz in New Mexico auch die außerirdischen Wesen beschrieben?

Stein: Ja, das wurden sie. Bestimmt haben Sie den Film gesehen, der irgendwann in den letzten fünf Jahren an die Öffentlichkeit gedrungen ist und in dem die Obduktion eines Außerirdischen gezeigt wird.

LH: Dieser Außerirdische mit sechs Fingern und sechs Zehen an Händen und Füßen?

Stein: Genau, er hatte jeweils sechs Finger und Zehen. In dem Film waren der Operationssaal und die Obduktion selbst zu sehen. Und ich erinnere mich, dass das Instrumentenbrett zur Steuerung des UFOs wie ein manuelles Lenksystem wirkte. Nach den Photos zu urteilen, die ich sah, steuerten die Außerirdischen das UFO per Fingerdruck.

LH: Haben Sie über die Fingerdruck-Kontrollfelder auch in den 1950ern gelesen?

Stein: Ja, das habe ich. Im CIA-Bericht war auch von „außerirdischen Hieroglyphen“ die Rede.

LH: Stand in dem CIA-Bericht auch, warum sich in einem Raumschiff, das angeblich 1938 in Deutschland gebaut worden ist, auch humanoide Wesen mit sechs Fingern befanden?

Stein: Nein, das nicht, aber ich erfuhr andere Dinge über die Deutschen. Ihre ersten Flugscheiben flogen bereits 1917 und 1927. Angeblich haben die Deutschen damals durch zwei Medien Kontakt zu den Außerirdischen aufgenommen. Die Vril-Gesellschaft soll den ursprünglichen Prototyp der Scheibe entworfen haben, die später gebaut wurde und flugtüchtig war.

LH: Was war die Vril-Gesellschaft?

Stein: Sie ist eine ziemlich alte deutsche Gesellschaft. Ich glaube, dass auch mein Großvater ihr im 19. Jahrhundert angehört hat. Meine Vorfahren stammen aus Deutschland und gehörten zur königlichen Familie.

Die Vril-Gesellschaft verfolgte zu unterschiedlichen Zeiten unterschiedliche Ziele. Im 19. Jahrhundert befasste sie sich mit verschiedenen Wirtschaftsprojekten und industrietauglichen Motoren. Im Jahr 1917 veranstaltete die Gesellschaft ein großes Treffen und beschloss, sich künftig alternativen Energiequellen zuzuwenden.

LH: Können Sie bestätigen, dass die Vril-Gesellschaft durch die unmittelbare Zusammenarbeit mit den sechsfingrigen Außerirdischen zum Bau der Flugscheibe inspiriert wurde?

Stein: Ja, wenn ich mich recht erinnere, sollen damals in Deutschland zwei der Außerirdischen mit der Vril-Gesellschaft zusammengearbeitet haben, als diese die erste Flugscheibe baute. Von Peenemünde aus wurden Raketen abgeschossen. In den Dokumenten, die ich in Washington gelesen habe, hieß es, dass in Peenemünde auch das erste Vril-Flugobjekt gebaut wurde.


LH: Haben sich in den Dokumenten bzw. Quellen, die Sie einsehen konnten, Hinweise darauf gefunden, in welcher Beziehung die sechsfingrigen Wesen zu unserer Zivilisation standen und wie lange diese Beziehung schon besteht?

Stein: Nein, darüber habe ich in den 1950ern nichts gelesen.

LH: Wurde in den Dokumenten angesprochen, woher die sechsfingrigen Wesen stammten?

Stein: Aus dem zu schließen, was ich über den Roswell-Vorfall gelesen habe, kamen die sechsfingrigen Außerirdischen von zwei Planeten, die um den Aldebaran kreisen, den größten Stern im Zeichen des Stiers.

LH: Während Ihrer Zeit bei der CIA haben Sie also allerhand Berichte gelesen, unter anderem einen über einen UFO-Absturz in New Mexico 1947, bei dem ebenfalls Wesen mit sechs Fingern geborgen wurden. Die Spur des betreffenden Raumschiffs ließ sich bis nach Deutschland zurückverfolgen, wo es 1938 unter außerirdischer Aufsicht gebaut worden sein soll. Sind Sie je auf Beweise aus erster Hand gestoßen, die belegen, dass die amerikanische Regierung Verbindung zu Deutschland aufgenommen hatte, um über die Außerirdischen zu sprechen?

Stein: Nein, mich überraschte, was ich da las. Andere Verbindungen nach Deutschland fand ich jedoch nie. Aber ich weiß, dass die Amerikaner im Jahr 1948 auf die Flugscheiben und diese Wesen stießen.

LH: Wo genau?

Stein: Offenbar erfuhren wir [das amerikanische OSS und die britischen Geheimdienste MI5 und MI6], dass die Deutschen all ihre Flugscheiben 1938 nach Argentinien und in die Antarktis gebracht und dort unterirdisch versteckt hatten. Von 1946 bis 1947 gab es eine amerikanische Wissenschaftsexpedition unter Admiral Byrd in die Antarktis, und es kam zu einer militärischen Auseinandersetzung mit den Außerirdischen und ihren Flugscheiben – eine Art Minikrieg, bei dem Amerika alle Flugzeuge verlor, die es dort eingesetzt hatte.

LH: Geht aus den Dokumenten hervor, ob sich an Bord der Flugscheiben in der Antarktis sowohl Deutsche als auch die sechsfingrigen Wesen befanden oder nur die Außerirdischen?

Stein: Wir haben keine Gefangenen machen oder eine der Flugscheiben abschießen können, und daher wurde nicht bekannt, wer die Scheiben flog. Es gab allerdings Hinweise auf die Nazis. Die Antarktis-Auseinandersetzung fand nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg statt. Die Briten hatten in den 1930er Jahren Photos von den Flugscheiben machen können, und so wussten wir, dass Deutschland derartige Scheiben mit „Laserkanonen“ an Bord besaß.

Hitler schickte schließlich seine gesamte Flugscheibenflotte nach Argentinien und in die Antarktis; offenbar, damit keine abgefangen würde, als er schließlich den Zweiten Weltkrieg einleitete. Wenn er von seinen hochgeheimen Waffen sprach, dachte jeder, er meine die V2-Raketen. Aber wie es aussieht, war die V2 nur ein Ablenkmanöver, um die Entwicklung der Flugscheibentechnik zu schützen.

parcifal 21 april 2016 16:27

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Irsan (Bericht 8075707)
Ik heb even je quote opgezocht, en hij blijkt te komen van iemand die claimt ontvoerd te zijn geweest door aliens! Komt uit het boek "Fire in the Sky" van Travis Walton.

Nog een skepticus die een "fantast" gebruikt om zijn argument kracht bij te zetten. :lol::lol:

Ik ga uiteraard met de quote!

Dacht je dat ik niet wist wie Travis Walton is? :-D
Ik vond het wel leuk om te tonen hoe het mes langs 2 kanten snijdt.


Ik ga uiteraard ook met de quote, ah ja. :)

Het Oosten 21 april 2016 17:43

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 8076136)
Dacht je dat ik niet wist wie Travis Walton is? :-D
Ik vond het wel leuk om te tonen hoe het mes langs 2 kanten snijdt.


Ik ga uiteraard ook met de quote, ah ja. :)

In ieder geval, lang zullen ze de ufo-kwestie niet meer geheim kunnen houden, mocht die er zijn (en steeds meer wijst in die richting).

Gezien de razendsnelle ontwikkeling in de fotografie en communicatiemiddelen zijn er heel wat kapers èn hackers op de kust. Ook veel te veel mensen die uit de biecht beginnen te klappen nu dat ze op pensioen zijn en niets meer te verliezen hebben. Het is dus gewoon een kwestie van rijd voordat de waarheid in ons gezicht ontploft indien die waarheid er effectief is. En dan we zullen het geweten hebben!

Another Jack 21 april 2016 18:04

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Het Oosten (Bericht 8076289)
In ieder geval, lang zullen ze de ufo-kwestie niet meer geheim kunnen houden, mocht die er zijn (en steeds meer wijst in die richting).

Gezien de razendsnelle ontwikkeling in de fotografie en communicatiemiddelen zijn er heel wat kapers èn hackers op de kust. Ook veel te veel mensen die uit de biecht beginnen te klappen nu dat ze op pensioen zijn en niets meer te verliezen hebben. Het is dus gewoon een kwestie van rijd voordat de waarheid in ons gezicht ontploft indien die waarheid er effectief is. En dan we zullen het geweten hebben!

Alles wat geheim is, vinden jullie op het internet...

Een beetje paradoxaal, niet?
;-)

Het Oosten 21 april 2016 18:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Another Jack (Bericht 8076321)
Alles wat geheim is, vinden jullie op het internet...

Een beetje paradoxaal, niet?
;-)

Maar niet alles wat op internet is waar. Edoch, de laatste youtube van enkele minuten waarnaar ik verwees, lijkt me wel degelijk waar. En als het waar is, dan er toch iets loos. Wanneer de astronauten melden dat ze te maken hebben met een 'bogey' , en men hoort een astronaute zeggen tegen het grondstation Houston dat ze geconfronteerd worden met een 'unidentified flying object', en men iemand aan het raam gepost heeft met een verrekijker om een duidelijk beeld te krijgen van dit object, tja, dan is het plaatje duidelijk.

Ik ben nog niet zeker dat het 'aliens' zijn. Maar wel dat astronauten, (én kosmonauten) tijdens hun vluchten geconfronteerd worden met ufo's. En onder 'ufo's' moet men hier verstaan: bestuurde vliegende objecten.

Natuurlijk, u kunt nu gaan beweren dat het filmpje fake is. En dan zeg ik: erg onwaarschijnlijk.

Another Jack 21 april 2016 18:16

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Het Oosten (Bericht 8076333)
Maar niet alles wat op internet is waar. Edoch, de laatste youtube van enkele minuten waarnaar ik verwees, lijkt me wel degelijk waar. En als het waar is, ja dan is er toch iets gaande.

Was uw laatste youtube ook geheim?


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