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Cdude 25 augustus 2010 15:02

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fred uit Gent (Bericht 4942539)
Je werkt op verschillende mensen hun zenuwen met uw grote muil altijd.
Wat heb jij zoal gepresteerd in het leven? Vertel daar eens iets over.

Fred.

Ik geloof niet in sprookjes en andere verzonnen onzinverhaaltjes, is dat wat je bedoelt Fred?

Johnny Blaze 25 augustus 2010 15:10

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4942543)
Ik geloof niet in sprookjes en andere verzonnen onzinverhaaltjes, is dat wat je bedoelt Fred?

Nee, hij bedoelt dat uw grote bek mensen op de zenuwen werkt.

Cdude 25 augustus 2010 15:11

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johnny Blaze (Bericht 4942561)
Nee, hij bedoelt dat uw grote bek mensen op de zenuwen werkt.

welkom in de echte wereld. 8-)

Johnny Blaze 25 augustus 2010 15:13

Vandaag nog tegengekomen, is wel van 2007:

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INTERNATIONAL PRESS CONFERENCE, NATIONAL PRESS CLUB, WASHINGTON D.C. November 12, 2007

Wilfried DE BROUWER, Major General, Ret.
After spending 20 years as a fighter pilot, he was appointed to the Strategic Planning Branch in NATO while a Colonel in 1983. He then became Wing Commander of the Belgian Air Force Transport Wing and, in 1989, chief of the Operations Division in the Air Staff. It was in this function that he was confronted with the Belgian UFO wave. Promoted to Major General in 1991, he became Deputy Chief of Staff of the Belgian Air Force, in charge of Operations, Planning and Human Resources. General De Brouwer retired in 1995 and subsequently worked more than ten years as consultant in the United Nations to improve the UN Logistics rapid response capabilities during emergencies.

Dr. Claude POHER, engineer, astronomer and astrophysicist.
Had a 33 year career in space research at CNES (Centre National d’Etudes Spatiales), the French equivilant of NASA and was awarded the National Order of Merit. In 1977, he created and directed, at CNES, the GEPAN (Groupe d’Etude des Phénomènes Aérospatiaux Non identifiés ; Group for the Study of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena), the official French agency dedicated to the investigation and analysis of UFO reports. (Today, the agency is called GEIPAN.) He investigated numerous well-documented UFO cases while training investigators for GEPAN.

Jean-Charles DUBOC, Captain, Air France, Ret.
While piloting an Airbus A 320 over France in 1994, he observed a large lens-shaped UFO at about 25 NM to the left of the plane, also seen by the copilot and one steward. It didn’t move and then disappeared after one minute almost instantaneously. Duboc reported the sighting to Air Traffic Control and Air Defense Operations (CODA); simultaneously CODA recorded an unidentified object on radar crossing the track of the plane. The object seemed to disappear from the radar scope at the same instant as it did from the view of the crew. CODA investigations ruled out a weather balloon or any other aircraft.

Dr. Jean-Claude RIBES, Astrophysicist.
Radio Astronomer, Paris Observatory and associate director of National Institute for Astronomy and Geophysics. Member, New York Academy of Sciences. Contributed to the COMETA report, 1999, and the new book "Phenomenes spatiaux non identifies." As a long term consultant to GEIPAN, he was asked by the Steering Committee to represent GEIPAN at this event.

Parviz JAFARI, General, Iranian Air Force, Ret.
In 1976, as a major and squadron commander, he was ordered by the Air Force Command to approach, in his Phantom F-4 jet, a large UFO observed over Tehran. During a wild cat and mouse chase, he attempted to launch a Sidewinder missile at the brilliant object but at that instant his fire control consul became inoperable. The UFO exhibited an extraordinary degree of maneuverability. Other electromagnetic effects were reported. The object was pursued by a second pilot, recorded on radar and witnessed by a General and experienced air navigation crews. A US Government officer interviewed Jafari in Tehran and the incident was described in a detailed US Defense Intelligence Agency document, released through the Freedom of Information Act. The DIA assessment said “This case is a classic that meets all the necessary conditions for a legitimate study of the UFO phenomenon.” Later, as a General, Jafari became the coordinating officer between the Iranian Army, Navy and Air Force. He retired in 1989.

Rodrigo Bravo GARRIDO, Captain and Pilot for the Aviation Army of Chile.
In 2000, he was assigned to conduct an internal study titled "Introduction to Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon and their considerations for aerospace security" involving previous case reports military planes encounters with UAP. For the last several years he has continued this research on recent and current cases affecting aviation safety in cooperation with the Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena (CEFAA), a branch of the General Administration of Civil Aeronautics, Chile's FAA.

Comandante Oscar Alfonso SANTA MARIA HUERTAS
Commander with the Peruvian Air Force (FAP), Ret. Specialization as an Air Force fighter jet pilot. In 1980, while a FAP Lieutenant, he encountered a UFO while flying his SU-22 "SUKOI" jet over the La Joya Military Base. He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds, but the UFO remained unaffected. A US Department of Defense document for the CIA and the NSA, titled “UFO Sighted in Peru,” describes the incident. “The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO, but without success," it states, adding that the vehicle’s origin remains unknown. CMDT Santa Maris is currently a Flight Safety and Accident Prevention Consultant for the airline industry.

Dr. Anthony CHOY
Lawyer and founding member in 2001 of the Air Anomalous Phenomenon Investigation Office (OIFAA), of the Peruvian Air Force, with a Masters from the Peruvian Air Force in High Management in Defense and Aerospace Development. He conducted a three year investigation on a sequence of sightings and landings of a UFO on behalf of the OIFAA in 2002, which were recorded on video. In 2003, this case became the first official UFO investigation in Perú to be disclosed by the Air Force.

Ray BOWYER, Captain, Aurigny Airlines.
In April 2007 he observed a UFO estimated as being up to a mile long, visible from about 50 miles away, in the vicinity of the Channel Islands. Some of his passengers saw the object, as did at least one other pilot in the area. An anomalous radar return was detected and the incident was reported by the BBC.

Nick POPE, official for the UK's Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006.
From 1991 to 1994, he was the desk officer responsible for investigating officially documented UFO sightings to determine whether they involved any potential threat to the UK. As a result of his thorough study of some incidents involving the police and military during his watch, he and some colleagues became privately convinced that there were important defense, national security and flight safety issues involved with the unexplained phenomenon.

Jim PENNISTON, TSgt USAF Ret.
While stationed at RAF Bentwaters, a former US Air Force facility in the UK, he witnessed a landed UFO with two military patrolman in nearby Rendlesham Forest. He conducted a 45 minute ground investigation and filed an official report. He has the original log book with drawings including details of symbols on the craft; radiation records; and plaster casts of landing gear imprints. He is the only person out the three witnesses that actually touched the UFO.

Charles HALT, Col. USAF Ret.
Deputy Base Commander of RAF Bentwaters, former US Air Force facility in the UK. He witnessed multiple UFOs at close range with six other military personnel in December, 1980, and documented this event on a pocket tape recorder. He also saw a UFO shooting beams into sensitive weapons storage areas at the base. He wrote an official memorandum for the Ministry of Defence (MOD) describing a UFO maneuvering through the forest and ascending, which was released through the US Freedom of Information Act.

John CALLAHAN, Ret.
Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA in Washington DC, for 6 years during the 1980’s. He investigated an incident in which a 1986 Japanese Airlines 747 flight was followed by an unidentified object for 31 minutes over Alaska. The UFO also trailed a United Airlines flight until the flight landed. Data includes visual confirmation, air-based and ground-based radar confirmation, videotape radar evidence, air traffic voice communications and official reports.

Fife SYMINGTON
Two term Governor of Arizona in the nineties; cousin of the late Missouri Senator Stuart Symington; former Captain, USAF. While Governor, he witnessed to a massive craft up to a mile across over Arizona in 1997, also seen by hundreds of citizens. Although he attempted to investigate at the time, he also publicly spoofed the sighting so as not to add to the public hysteria, while keeping his own observation secret. He first revealed his sighting last March, and states that the craft is of unknown origin and the incident remains unsolved.
"INVESTIGATE THIS!"
Researcher and UFO historian Richard Hall, editor of NICAP’s landmark 1964 compendium “The UFO Evidence,” wrote this message to the media, after being present for the press conference.
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press.htm

Staan toch een x-aantal interessante mensen tussen.

Johnny Blaze 25 augustus 2010 15:14

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4942565)
welkom in de echte wereld. 8-)

De meeste mensen die ik in de echte wereld tegenkom zijn een pak aangenamer in omgang dan gij.

Cdude 25 augustus 2010 15:19

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johnny Blaze (Bericht 4942569)
Vandaag nog tegengekomen, is wel van 2007:
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press.htm
Staan toch een x-aantal interessante mensen tussen.

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he attempted to launch a Sidewinder missile at the brilliant object

He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds,
“The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO,
Welcome to Earth ...we greet u with bullets and rockets.

Fred uit Gent 25 augustus 2010 15:26

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4942543)
Ik geloof niet in sprookjes en andere verzonnen onzinverhaaltjes, is dat wat je bedoelt Fred?

Neen.

Fred.

Fred uit Gent 25 augustus 2010 15:26

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johnny Blaze (Bericht 4942561)
Nee, hij bedoelt dat uw grote bek mensen op de zenuwen werkt.

Ja.

Fred.

Cdude 25 augustus 2010 15:26

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fred uit Gent (Bericht 4942595)
Neen.

Pech,

Ik blijf gelovigen, ook relishophoppers idioten vinden.

Wisord 25 augustus 2010 18:06

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4942543)
Ik geloof niet in sprookjes en andere verzonnen onzinverhaaltjes, is dat wat je bedoelt Fred?


:jerry::jerry::jerry::cheer::cheer:

Micele 25 augustus 2010 19:03

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4942578)
Welcome to Earth ...we greet u with bullets and rockets.

Aha, klopt dus, nette bevestiging. :-)

Best volledige context citeren, is een mooie bewijsvoering van "ongekende intelligentie" van die UFO´s

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he attempted to launch a Sidewinder missile at the brilliant object
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Parviz JAFARI, General, Iranian Air Force, Ret.
In 1976, as a major and squadron commander, he was ordered by the Air Force Command to approach, in his Phantom F-4 jet, a large UFO observed over Tehran. During a wild cat and mouse chase, he attempted to launch a Sidewinder missile at the brilliant object but at that instant his fire control consul became inoperable. The UFO exhibited an extraordinary degree of maneuverability. Other electromagnetic effects were reported. The object was pursued by a second pilot, recorded on radar and witnessed by a General and experienced air navigation crews. A US Government officer interviewed Jafari in Tehran and the incident was described in a detailed US Defense Intelligence Agency document, released through the Freedom of Information Act. The DIA assessment said “This case is a classic that meets all the necessary conditions for a legitimate study of the UFO phenomenon.” Later, as a General, Jafari became the coordinating officer between the Iranian Army, Navy and Air Force. He retired in 1989.
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He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds,

“The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO
,
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Comandante Oscar Alfonso SANTA MARIA HUERTAS
Commander with the Peruvian Air Force (FAP), Ret. Specialization as an Air Force fighter jet pilot. In 1980, while a FAP Lieutenant, he encountered a UFO while flying his SU-22 "SUKOI" jet over the La Joya Military Base. He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds, but the UFO remained unaffected. A US Department of Defense document for the CIA and the NSA, titled “UFO Sighted in Peru,” describes the incident. “The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO, but without success," it states, adding that the vehicle’s origin remains unknown. CMDT Santa Maris is currently a Flight Safety and Accident Prevention Consultant for the airline industry.
Is natuurlijk hun job.
Aja, de Belgen/NATO hebben tien jaar later wel niet geschoten vanuit hun F-16´s, mss omdat de koude oorlog al een tijdje voorbij was, wie weet... ;-)

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http://www.ufocasebook.com/belgianreport.html

Summary Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990

Summary: Summary of the offical report by the Belgian Air Force regarding the UFO events of March, 1990.

Background:
1. Starting early Dec 89 the BAF has been contacted on several occasions by eyewitnesses who observed strange phenomena in the Belgian airspace. On some occasions they described the phenomena as a triangle-shaped platform up to 200 feet wide with 3 downward beaming projectors, hovering at +- 100 m above the ground and making only a very light humming noise. Some witnesses saw the object departing at very high speed after a very fast acceleration. All observations were made in the evening or during the night.

2. The radar stations which had been alerted by eyewitnesses could not definitely determine a correlation between the visual observations and their detection on radar. On two occasions the BAF scrambled 2 F16 during the evening hours.

a. On the first occasion the F16 arrived +- 1 hour after the visual detection. Nothing was observed.

b. On the second occasion, pilots could identify a laser-beam projector on the ground. After investigation it appeared however that the description of the observations totally differed from previously described phenomena.

3. Consequently the Belgian Airforce, anxious to identify the origin of the phenomena, authorised F16 scrambles if following conditions were met:

a. Visual observations on the ground confirmed by the local police.

b. Detection on radar.

Events:

4. On 30 Mar 1990 at 23.00 Hr the Master Controller (MC) of the Air Defense radar station of Glons received a phone call from a person who declared to observe three independent blinking lights in the sky, changing colours, with a much higher intensity than the lights of the stars and forming a triangle. Meteo conditions were clear sky, no clouds, light wind and a minor temperature inversion at 3000 Ft.

5. The MC in turn notified the police of WAVRE which confirmed the sighting at +- 23 30 Hr. Meanwhile the MC had identified a radar contact at about 8 NM North of the ground observation. The contact moved slowely to the West at a speed of =- 25kts and an altitude of 10.000 Ft.

6. The ground observers reported 3 additional light spots which moved gradually, with irregular speeds, towards the first set of lights and forming a second triangle.

7. At 23.50 a second radar station, situated at +- 100 NM from the first, confirmed an identical contact at the same place of the radar contact of Glons.

8. At 00.05 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varied between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occurred after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots.

9. The F16 flew 3 times through the observation field of the ground observers. At the third passage the ground observers notified a change in the behavior of the light spots. The most luminous started to blink very intensively while the other disappeared. Consequently, the most luminous spot started to dim gradually.

10. Meanwhile the head of the police of WAVRE had alerted 4 other police stations in the area. All four, separated +- 10 NM from each other, confirmed the visual observations.

11. The aircraft landed at 01.10 Hrs. The last visual observation was recorded at +- 01.30 Hrs.

Conclusions:

12. The Belgian Air Force was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions:

a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar).

b. ULM. Same as for balloons.

c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics.

d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise.

e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar.


{signed}

W. DE BROUWER Kol Vl SBH

VS3

source:

Belgium Air Force
Voor sommigen die niet op de hoogte zijn:
CRC Glons = NATO
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http://www.mil.be/aircomp/units/index.asp?LAN=en&ID=191

Control and Reporting Centre (CRC) of Glons is the only unit of the Belgian Air Component which is put under immediate NATO command, even peacetime.
Therefore, the radar centre of Glons is entirely integrated in the NATO air defense chain, which extends from the north of Norway down to the east of Turkey.
All of these radar stations and their command centers are linked to each other via data links and communication equipment. The Staff, all administrative services and the support flight are located in the Ambiorix barracks, just outside the centre of Belgium’s most ancient city.
The operations are controlled from an underground bunker at Glons, a site some 7 miles from Tongeren and just beyond the linguistic frontier. This is also where the unit’s own Medium Power Radar (MPR) is situated.
Also to be found at the Glons site is the NATO Programming Centre (NPC).
This multinational NATO unit, completely independent from the CRC, is responsible for the development and follow-up of all the operational software needed by all the different NATO radar stations for the successful completion of their air defense tasks.

Carnivore 28 augustus 2010 13:53

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Another Jack (Bericht 4935597)
Iemand die in 2010 Von Däniken durft bovenhalen ....:roll:
De man is reeds jaren ontmaskerd als fake.


Ha?
dat is goed mogelijk, zo'n kenner in de materie ben ik nu niet. Eerder een amateur. Maar kan je 's effe naar iets refereren dat dat staaft? Niet dat ik zo'n BRON?-fetish ben, eerder uit interesse.

Maar heu, is de oorsprong van de beelden op paaseiland, de astrologische kennis van de maya's, de manier waarop de grote piramide gebouwd is, eva... inmiddels bekend?

Carnivore 28 augustus 2010 13:59

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Sommige mensen lazen die bullshit eerder & reizen effectief ook de wereld rond tiens... Je gaat mij niks wijsmaken over Inca's, Maya's of piramides of nazcalijnen die ufolandingsplaatsen zouden zijn. Bespaar me die troep & ga liever eerst zelf eens op zoek naar counter-informatie...
Bij archeologen bijvoorbeeld :roll:

Och... Ik ben nog maar net aan de des-informatie begonnen. Die moet ik toch eerst kennen voor ik nog maar over counter-info kan denken?
Maar soit.

In elk geval U mag het belerende toontje wel laten vind ik.

kiko 28 augustus 2010 14:05

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Carnivore (Bericht 4948469)
Maar heu, is de oorsprong van de beelden op paaseiland, de astrologische kennis van de maya's, de manier waarop de grote piramide gebouwd is, eva... inmiddels bekend?

Astrologische kennis bestaat niet.

nworemover 28 augustus 2010 17:53

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kiko (Bericht 4948494)
Astrologische kennis bestaat niet.

o nee?



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French psychologist and statistician, Michel Gauquelin, supported by his wife Francois conducted the most famous research into astrology. Though he was interested in astrology, he did not consider himself an astrologer and dismissed much of it including zodiac signs. His tests focussed on the correlation between the positions of the planets at an individual’s birth, his or her psychological nature and how this manifested in measurable ways such as choice of profession or independent biographical descriptions.
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Gauquelin collected data from over 20,000 professional celebrities from various European countries and the United States. Gauquelin’s research detected statistically abnormal diurnal positions of the planet Mars at birth in athletes, Jupiter in actors, Saturn in scientists and the Moon in writers. His tests confirmed an ancient claim of astrologers that planets posited around the four angles are stronger and the characteristics associated with the planet manifests prominently in the individual.
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Naturally Gauquelin’s tests attracted much controversy. He allowed independent sceptical researchers to scrutinize his original data. Three committees of rationalist scientists Belgian (LERRCP), American (CSICOP), and French (CFEPP), reviewed and independently replicated Gauquelin's results. CSICOP published their results in The Humanist. The Belgian group refused to publish their study for eight years, in the vain hope of finding a logical explanation for their positive result. The French took a full 14 years. In the end the group dissolved and the work was completed by Jan Willem Nienhuys from the Netherlands. All groups made their data available, but the CFEPP was the only one to publish the full data. The book outlining the study (The "Mars Effect", A French Test of Over 1,000 Sports Champions)

Bron


LOL staat wel een flinke fout in: CSICOP rational! LOl it isn't!

Carnivore 28 augustus 2010 18:32

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kiko (Bericht 4948494)
Astrologische kennis bestaat niet.

Haha!

indeed.

Sorry, ik ben vannacht na een ritje van 1000Km om 04.00uur in m'n bedje gekropen en nu niet echt fris. En ik heb anders al geen overschot, dus normaal dat ik nu fouten maak.

Ik bedoelde dus :

de maya's hun kennis van de hemellichamen, hun baan en gedragingen.

kiko 28 augustus 2010 23:12

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door nworemover (Bericht 4948846)
o nee?

Neen.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Carnivore (Bericht 4948873)
Haha!

indeed.

Sorry, ik ben vannacht na een ritje van 1000Km om 04.00uur in m'n bedje gekropen en nu niet echt fris. En ik heb anders al geen overschot, dus normaal dat ik nu fouten maak.

Ik bedoelde dus :

de maya's hun kennis van de hemellichamen, hun baan en gedragingen.

Geen probleem.

nworemover 29 augustus 2010 07:33

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kiko (Bericht 4949238)
Neen.


Geen probleem.

neen? ok berichten hierboven dus niet gelezen en domweg 'neén' ingetikt dus?

parcifal 29 augustus 2010 07:52

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door nworemover (Bericht 4949481)
neen? ok berichten hierboven dus niet gelezen en domweg 'neén' ingetikt dus?

Trollen hebben altijd ongelijk.
Je mag er zever-quote's, debiele filmpjes en boeken bijsleuren zoveel je wil.

Het is en blijft neen.

nworemover 29 augustus 2010 08:03

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 4949493)
Trollen hebben altijd ongelijk.
Je mag er zever-quote's, debiele filmpjes en boeken bijsleuren zoveel je wil.

Het is en blijft neen.

LOL het domste argument ooit!!!


je scoort 99 nu!


LOL

man geen hond hier neemt jou nog serieus!!!

LOL


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