Duitsland trekt haar strijdkrachten terug uit de NAVO, de coalitie valt uit elkaar
 

Eindelijk een land met brains ! Duitsland was van in het beginne tegen het aanvallen van een souvereine staat. Nu heeft het beslist haar stijdkrachten uit de NAVO terug te trekken terwijl de coalitie uiteenvalt in onenigheid.

-Spanningen tussen de VS en VK vanwege de het voorstel tot vermoorden van Gaddafi
-Fransen willen een nieuw politiek comite dat de operaties moet overzien.
-Duitsland trekt militair materiaal terug uit de NAVO coalitie vanwege onenigeheid over wat het doel van de campagne is
-Italianen beschuldigen de Fransen dat ze enkel oliecontracten willen bemachtigen
-De VK denkt dat deze oorlog 30 jaar kan duren
-Italie wil dat enkel en alleen de NAVO de controle neemt over missie/operatie
-Russen eisen van de VS op te houden met bombarderen wegens de burgerslachtoffers en stelt dat de gehele operatie een nieuwe 'kruistocht is'

THIS MAKES MY DAY !:-D

Who's in charge? Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 1:32 AM on 23rd March 2011

-Tensions with Britain as Gates rebukes UK government over suggestion Gaddafi could be assassinated
-French propose a new political 'committee' to oversee operations
-Germany pulls equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement over campaign's direction
-Italians accuse French of backing NATO in exchange for oil contracts
-No-fly zone called into question after first wave of strikes 'neutralises' Libyan military machine
-U.K. ministers say war could last '30 years'
-Italy to 'take back control' of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership put in charge of the mission
-Russians tell U.S. to stop bombing in order to protect civilians - calls bombing a 'crusade'

Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign. A German military spokesman said it was recalling two frigates and AWACS surveillance plane crews from the Mediterranean, after fears they would be drawn into the conflict if NATO takes over control from the U.S. The infighting comes as a heated meeting of NATO ambassadors yesterday failed to resolve whether the 28-nation alliance should run the operation to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone, diplomats said. Yesterday a war of words erupted between the U.S. and Britain after the U.K. government claimed Muammar Gaddafi is a legitimate target for assassination. U.K. government officials said killing the Libyan leader would be legal if it prevented civilian deaths as laid out in a U.N. resolution. But U.S. defence secretary Robert Gates hit back at the suggestion, saying it would be 'unwise' to target the Libyan leader adding cryptically that the bombing campaign should stick to the 'U.N. mandate'.

President Barack Obama, seeking to avoid getting bogged down in a war in another Muslim country,(op vakatie met vrouw en kinderen in Zuid Amerika !) said on Monday Washington would cede control of operations against Muammar Gaddafi's forces within days, handing the reins over to NATO. But Germany and European allies remain unwilling to have NATO take on a military operation that theoretically has nothing to do with the defence of Europe. Today the German defence ministry announced Berlin had pulled out of any military operations in the Mediterranean.
A ministry spokesman said two frigates and two other ships with a crew of 550 would be reverted to German command. Some 60 to 70 German troops participating in NATO-operated AWACS surveillance operations in the Mediterranean would also be withdrawn, according to the ministry.
Berlin isn't participating in the operation to impose a no-fly zone in Libya and abstained on the U.N. resolution authorising it. France, which launched the initial air strikes on Libya on Saturday, has argued against giving the U.S.-led NATO political control over an operation in an Arab country, while Turkey has called for limits to any alliance involvement. In a bid to halt the embarrassing bickering, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe today proposed a new war committee to oversee operations. The new body, Mr Juppe said, would bring together foreign ministers of participating states - such as Britain, France and the U.S. - as well as the Arab League. Meanwhile the head of the Italian Senate's defence affairs committee, Gianpiero Cantoni, said the original French anti-NATO stance was motivated by a desire to secure oil contracts with a future Libyan government. Some allies are even questioning whether a no-fly zone is still necessary, given the damage already done by air strikes to Gaddafi's military capabilities. Speaking about yesterday's hastily arranged meeting of NATO allies, one diplomat said: 'The meeting became a little bit emotional,' before adding that France had argued that the coalition led by Britain, the United States and France should retain political control of the mission, with NATO providing operational support, including command-and-control capabilities.

'Others are saying NATO should have command or no role at all and that it doesn't make sense for NATO to play a subsidiary role,' the diplomat added.
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu suggested that air strikes launched after a meeting in Paris hosted by France on Saturday had gone beyond what had been sanctioned by a U.N. Security Council resolution.
'There are U.N. decisions and these decisions clearly have a defined framework. A NATO operation which goes outside this framework cannot be legitimised,' he told news channel CNN Turk.
Adding pressure to the already fractured alliance, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini has also reiterated a warning that Italy would take back control of airbases it has authorised for use by allies for operations over Libya unless a NATO coordination structure was agreed.
In a shock admission, U.K. ministers have admitted the intervention in Libya could last for up to '30 years'.

Asked for an estimate, British Armed Forces Minister Nick Harvey said: 'How long is a piece of string? We don't know how long this is going to go on.
'We don't know if this is going to result in a stalemate. We don't know if his capabilities are going to be degraded quickly. Ask me again in a week.'
In the U.S., Obama has made it clear he wants no part of any leadership role in Libya.

The President has already been criticised for continuing with a tour of Latin America as the military operation over Libya began. And yesterday he insisted again that while Gaddafi must go, the U.S. is not prepared to remove him by force, but merely to enforce the no-fly zone.
Even that hesitant stance, which has already earned him the title of the Great Vacillator, left him criticised for not seeking proper approval from Congress before sending the American military in.

And after reports emerged that Gaddafi's son had been killed in a kamikaze strike yesterday, fresh questions over what exactly the U.S. intends to achieve in Libya emerged.

With Turkey digging its heels in and the Arab League suspicious, it has been pointed out that Mr Obama has fewer coalition partners in Libya than George Bush did at the start of the Iraq war.He was criticised by both Republicans and Democrats over his decision to commit the U.S. military before going to Congress. Representatives Jerrold Nadler of New York, Barbara Lee of California, Michael Capuano of Massachusetts, Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Representative Roscoe Bartlett of Maryland all complained that Mr Obama had exceeded his constitutional authority by authorizing the attack without Congressional permission.
The President hit back in a two-page letter to Congress and again reiterated his claim that while Gaddafi must go, the U.S. was only in Libya to enforce the no-fly zone for the protection of civilians. France has already taken a leading role in the conflict, with President Nicolas Sarkozy hosting a summit in Paris over the weekend and French bombers being the first to enforce the no-fly zone.


BRON: Dailymail

NUFF is NUFF, ophouden met deze onregelmatigheden. De aanval op het souvereine Libië is een grap.

En waarom 'maakt dit jouw dag'?
Of vind je dat we ons niet moeten moeien met Kadhafi's ijver om op zijn eigen burgers te schieten?

Wat mijn menig hierover is en over die 'ongewapende' burgers van de Libische revolutie, kan U lezen in mijn andere draad ivm de neppe kleurenrevolutie.

Blijkbaar maakt dit jouw niet blij en wil je dat men deze onregelmatige situaties in stand tracht te houden.

Ik heb geen zin om te gaan grasduinen in jouw posts. Zet er een link naar of herhaal je boodschap. Jeezes.

Mijn mening is dat wat men in Libië doet niet legitiem/aanvaardbaar is. Men valt zomaar een souverein land aan terwijl men al lang op andere plaatsen dezelfde maatregelen had kunnen nemen, vanwege reële toestanden.

De Libische revolutie is geen eerlijke revolutie, het is opgezet spel IMHO.

Libië is (was) een welvarend land waar de burgers het lang niet zo slecht hadden.

deze mag weg

Duidelijk teken van imperialistische actie.

Duitsland trekt zijn strijdkrachten helemaal niet terug uit de NAVO. deze thread is te belachelijk voor woorden.

Duitse links

nachrichten-2011-03/19716295-libyen-roundup-2-deutschland-steigt-aus-nato-operationen-im-mittelmeer-aus-016.htm

immer-noch-keine-einigung-bei-nato-ueber-libyen-1666610.html

Toch eens leren lezen.

Kan U dit lezen ?
Nach dem Eingreifen der Nato in den Libyen-Konflikt hat die Bundesregierung alle deutschen Kräfte aus den Bündnisoperationen im Mittelmeer zurückgezogen. Ein Sprecher des Verteidigungsministeriums sagte der Nachrichtenagentur dpa am Dienstag, zwei Fregatten und zwei Boote mit insgesamt 550 Soldaten würden wieder unter nationale Führung gestellt. Die etwa 60 bis 70 deutschen Soldaten, die bisher an einer Aufklärungsmission mit Awacs-Flugzeugen im Mittelmeerraum teilgenommen haben, werden abgezogen.

meer nog Turkije doet volop mee!

De Amerikanen willen hun handen niet vuil maken aan deze VN-missie, er zijn nl nogal veel Amerikaanse burgers niet akkoord met deze toestand. Vanuit de Amerikaanse politiek is men om het zwakjes uit te drukken ook niet tevereden.

Dus de VS wil dat de NAVO de operatie overneemt... en daar wringt het schoentje.

Met andere woorden : u bent voor het toelaten aan Khaddafi om zijn onbewapende burgers af te slachten.

Dat weten we dan weer.

Waarom 'denkt' u zo binair?

Natuurlijk zie jij het weer anders.

Ivm Turkije... een bericht van een poosje terug...

Turkey warns against coalition 'hidden agenda' on Libya


Turkish President Abdullah Gul has warned the coalition forces taking action in Libya against pursuing any hidden agenda.

Without naming any states, he said it was "obvious" that some coalition members perceived the conflict as an opportunity for themselves...

Bron :BBC

http://www.anhourago.co.uk/show.aspx?l=8321537&d=501

Waarom geeft u geen antwoord op de vraag naar wat uw oplossing is tegen de massale slachting van onschuldige burgers door Khadaffi? Wat is uw "derde weg"?.... ik ben benieuwd.

Welke onschuldige onbewapende burgers...

De slachtoffers van de 'burgervriendelijke Tomahawks ?

Inderdaad. Daar staat dus helemaal NIET dat Duitsland zijn strijdkrachten terugtrekt uit de NAVO. Enkel dat Duitsland niet meedoet met NAVO-operaties in de Middellandse Zee.

Het afslachten van Libische burgers door Khadaffi in Libië is een Libische binnenlandse aangelegenheid. Het afslachten van Khadaffi-aanhangers door Libische rebellen ook trouwens.