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Antoon 21 mei 2014 10:39

Jammer maar helaas ...

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Chinezen onthullen mysterie rond gecrashte 'UFO'



Afgelopen weekend vielen in het noordoosten van China vreemde metalen ballen met een gekartelde rand uit de lucht. Een gebeurtenis die de nodige opwinding veroorzaakte bij UFO-believers. Chineze experten hebben nu de ware toedracht onthuld.

Lokale bewoners spraken over vuurballen die uit de hemel vielen. Acht objecten kwamen terecht in de stad Qiqihar in de noordelijke provincie Heilongjiang. Het grootse voorwerp woog ongeveer veertig kilogram en had een doorsnede van zestig centimeter.

Al snel kwamen allerlei speculaties op gang. Waren het vliegtuigonderdelen of wie weet elementen van buitenaardse ruimteschepen? Helaas voor de believers gaven de Marsmannetjes niet thuis.

Volgens Chinese staatsmedia hebben experten geconcludeerd dat de brokstukken afkomstig waren van een Russische raket die een communicatiesatelliet naar de ruimte moest brengen maar vlak na de lancering neerstortte op Aarde.

De Russische ruimtevaartautoriteiten hebben ondertussen bevestigd dat de motor van de Protonraket negen minuten na de take-off vanuit Bajkonoer dienst weigerde. Op de staatstelevisie was te zien hoe de raket en de satelliet deels opbrandden in de atmosfeer.

bron

praha 21 mei 2014 17:29

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AsGardSGO (Bericht 7100241)
Ze bestaan gewoon, of je het nu wil herkennen of niet maar ze bestaan.
Sommige UFO's zijn snel hun UFO status kwijt daar ze geïdentificeerd worden of kunnen worden. De vele andere echter zijn dat niet en blijven tot op heden onverklaard, zelfs door het "officiele" kader. Buitenaardse oorsprong is dan plots geen vergezochte theorie meer maar zelfs de meest voor de hand liggende.
En piloten, luchtverkeersleiders, generaals en andere beginnen stilaan te rapporteren en durven uit de taboesfeer te komen.

tjah als het een ufo is moet het wel bijna buitenaards zijn hé... althans dat zeg jij letterlijk

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Maar ik begrijp de ontkenning van velen; dat men het niet au serieus wil nemen want dat vraagt lef, open-mindedness en wetenschappelijk onderzoek. Verder durven kijken dan de eigen persoon dan de eigen overtuiging of die men ingelepeld heeft.
Geloven in een god die op de wolkjes zit en alles hier regelt kan wel maar alles daarbuiten daar moet je selectief doof en blind voor zijn dan?
Wie is er dan gek? al die professionals of wie dan ook die iets in eerste instantie onverklaarsbaars ziet/ervaart of zij die het in het belachelijke trekken puur omdat ze weigeren erin te geloven?
Zei de man die beweerde dat snelheid er toch niet zoveel toe doet bij een crash

zonbron 21 mei 2014 17:33

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon (Bericht 7151289)
Jammer maar helaas ...

Hoera, @Antoon haalt tot tweemaal toe de Aliendraad terug boven. Duidelijk een UFO en reptielenspecialist. :lol:

Antoon 21 mei 2014 17:35

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron (Bericht 7152073)
Hoera, @Antoon haalt tot tweemaal toe de Aliendraad terug boven. Duidelijk een UFO en reptielenspecialist. :lol:

:lol::lol:

Micele 21 mei 2014 21:14

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJlP7fR-PM

A news report about the FEMA manual which gives instructions to first responders for dealing with a UFO attack. The instructions include warnings about possible engine troubles, radio failures, and other electrical problems that can occur when encountering a UFO

p 1 uit: http://de.slideshare.net/FreeLeaks/f...anual-26397021

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http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc602.htm

USA: UFOs and National Security

Leslie Kean, June 2000

Summary: An in-depth article by journalist Leslie Kean on the COMETA report. This version is the full unedited version submitted to the French magazine VSD. Other, shorter versions appeared in the Boston Globe and the Irish Independent.


Last month's release of the first detailed satellite images of Area 51, the top-secret US Air Force test site in Nevada, prompted a Web site meltdown as people from across the nation logged on in search of clues about unidentified flying objects.

''The interest has been really phenomenal,'' said David. Mountain, marketing director for Aerial Images Inc., which posted the high-resolution photographs of Area 51 on the Internet.

But those hoping to see signs that captured UFOs are stored at the site (as some aficionados have suggested) were destined to be disappointed. Most of Area 51's operations occur underground, making photos meaningless.

Anyone looking for fresh information on UFOs would have better luck trying a new, but less publicized, source: a study by the French military, just translated into an approved English edition.

High-level officials - including retired generals from the French Institute of Higher Studies for National Defense, a government-financed strategic planning agency - recently took a giant step in openly challenging skepticism about UFOs.

In a report based on a three-year study, they concluded that ''numerous manifestations observed by reliable witnesses could be the work of craft of extraterrestrial origin'' and that, in fact, the best explanation is ''the extraterrestrial hypothesis.'' Although not categorically proven, ''strong presumptions exist in its favor and if it is correct, it is loaded with significant consequences.''

The French group reached that conclusion after examining nearly 500 international aeronautical sightings and radar/ visual cases, and previously undisclosed pilots' reports. They drew on data from official sources, government authorities, and the air forces of other countries. The findings are contained in a 90-page report titled ''UFOs and Defense: What Should We Prepare For?''

''The number of sightings, which are completely unexplained despite the abundance and quality of data from them, is growing throughout the world,'' the team declared.

The authors note that about 5 percent of sightings on which there is solid documentation cannot be easily attributed to earthly sources, such as secret military exercises. This 5 percent seem ''to be completely unknown flying machines with exceptional performances that are guided by a natural or artificial intelligence,'' they say. Science has developed plausible models for travel from another solar system and for technology that could be used to propel the vehicles, the report points out.

It assures readers that UFOs have demonstrated no hostile acts, ''although intimidation maneuvers have been confirmed.''

Given the widespread skepticism about UFOs, many will quickly dismiss the gener als' ''extraterrestrial hypothesis.'' But it is less easy to do so once the authors' credentials are considered. The study's originators are four-star General Bernard Norlain, former commander of the French Tactical Air Force and military counselor to the prime minister; General Denis Letty, an air force fighter pilot; and Andre Lebeau, former head of the National Center for Space Studies, the French equivalent of NASA.

They formed a 12-member ''Committee for In-depth Studies,'' abbreviated as COMETA, which authored the report. Other contributors included a three-star admiral, the national chief of police, and the head of a government agency studying the subject, as well as scientists and weapons engineers.

Not only does the group stand by its findings, it is urging international action. The writers recommend that France establish ''sectorial cooperation agreements with interested European and foreign countries'' on the matter of UFOs. They suggest that the European Union undertake diplomatic action with the United States ''exerting useful pressure to clarify this crucial issue which must fall within the scope of political and strategic alliances.''

Why might the United States be interested - albeit, privately - in a subject often met with ridicule, or considered the domain of the irrational?

For one thing, declassified US government documents show that unexplained objects with extraordinary technical capabilities pose challenges to military activity around the globe. For example, US fighter jets have attempted to pursue UFOs, according to North American Aerospace Defense Command logs and Air Force documents. Iranian and Peruvian air force planes attempted to shoot down unidentified craft in 1976 and 1980. Belgium F-16s armed with missiles pursued a UFO in 1990.

Further, the French report says that there have been ''visits above secret installations and missile bases'' and ''military aircraft shadowed'' in the United States.


COMETA spokesperson Michel Algrin says that the report was delivered to French president Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Lionel Jospin. "No response is awaited, only action," he says.

"The COMETA made no request to the US government. It is not entitled to do so," says Algrin, an attorney and political scientist. "But, in its report, it recommended to the French government to seek for a cooperation [sic] with its American ally on the subject of UFOs."

Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the Apollo 14 astronaut who was the sixth man to walk on the moon, is one of many supporters of such cooperation. "It's significant that individuals of some standing in the government, military and intelligence community in France came forth with this," he said in a recent interview from his home in Florida. Mitchell, who holds a doctor of science degree from MIT, is convinced "at a confidence level above 90%, that there is reality to all of this."

He joins five-star Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, the former head of the British Ministry of Defense and Major Gordon L. Cooper, one of America's original seven Mercury astronauts, in calling for Congressional fact-finding hearings into the UFO question. "People have been digging through the files and investigating for years now. The files are quite convincing. The only thing that's lacking is the official stamp," Mitchell says.

Despite the fact that Mitchell is a national hero and has been honored with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Service Medal and the NASA Distinguished Service Medal, his request for an investigation has been ignored by U.S. officials.

As the COMETA report points out, the U.S. is unique in its silence on this issue. UFOs and Defense notes that many UFO files are classified above top secret, and accuses the U.S. of following a policy of disinformation. It says that the government has an "impressive repressive arsenal" in place, which includes military regulations prohibiting public disclosure of UFO sightings.

Air Force Regulation 200-2, ``Unidentified Flying Objects
Reporting,'' for example, prohibits the release to the public and the media of any data about ``those objects which are not explainable.'' An even more restrictive procedure is outlined in the Joint Army Navy Air Force Publication 146, which threatens to prosecute anyone under its jurisdiction - including pilots, civilian agencies, merchant marine captains, and even some fishing vessels - for disclosing reports of sightings relevant to US security.

Although some documentation has been released through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), researchers have had an increasingly difficult time accessing information about a subject that the U.S. government claims does not exist. A 1980 Federal suit is a case in point. The case was filed in the US District Court of the District of Columbia against the National Security Agency (NSA) for 156 UFO documents the agency refused to release. The NSA provided U.S. District Court Judge Gerhard A.Gesell with a 21-page, Above Top Secret affidavit justifying the withholding. No one else was permitted to see the affidavit.

The judge dismissed the lawsuit stating that "public interest in disclosure is far outweighed by the sensitive nature of the materials and the obvious effect on national security their release may entail."

MILITARY CLOSE ENCOUNTERS

A few months after the French release of the COMETA report, U.S. Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. Miller agreed to go on the record about his participation in a series of previously undisclosed briefings for Pentagon brass about national security and military policy regarding UFOs. Miller has been a key liaison to the Pentagon on the subject for years. "It's time to give some credibility to the fact that there are those in high places in the government who have an interest in this subject," he says, taking a considerable risk by coming forward.

Miller retired in 1994 from active duty on the Current
Operations Staff (J3) of U.S. Atlantic Command, Norfolk,
Virginia where he worked operations, intelligence, and special contingency issues. With over 30 years of experience in Navy and Joint Interagency operations with the Department of Defense, Commander Miller has held a Top Secret clearance with access to sensitive compartmented information.

It has not been easy for Miller to overcome the taboo that the UFO subject carries among his colleagues in the military. "It is treated much the way we used to view mental illness. Hide the crazy daughter in the attic," he says.

In a February, 2000 confidential memo titled "Selected
Discussions with Key United States (US) Department of Defense (DoD) Intelligence Personnel on the Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ETI)" prepared for this reporter, Miller spelled out the details of meetings between 1989 and 2000 with named high level Department of Defense intelligence personnel - including the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), an Admiral on the Joint
Staff, and the U.S. Atlantic Command Director for Intelligence - among others. Miller says he initiated briefings "to provide the flag officers with information to help the military decision-making processes when these unexplained craft are encountered by members of the Department of Defense."

Concerned that many high-ranking military officers are not properly informed about the UFO phenomenon, Miller believes that the generals who have come forward in France could have a significant impact. "Without preparation and planning for encounters, precipitous military decisions may lead to unnecessary confusion, misapplication of forces, or possible catastrophic consequences," he says..

The Navy Commander's concern is justified by the historical record. Declassified government documents show that unexplained objects with extraordinary technical capabilities pose challenges to military activity around the globe. U.S. fighter jets have been scrambled to pursue UFOs, according to North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) logs and U.S. Air Force documents. Peruvian and Iranian Air Force planes attempted to shoot down unexplained objects during air encounters, and Belgium F-16's equipped with automatically guided missiles pursued UFO's in 1990.

In earlier decades, such concerns were openly discussed among American government officials. In 1960, for example, Representative Leonard G. Wolf of Iowa entered an "urgent warning" from former CIA Director Vice Admiral R.E. Hillenkoetter into the Congressional Record that "certain dangers are linked with unidentified flying objects." Wolf cited Gen. L.M. Chassin, NATO coordinator of Allied Air Service, warning that "if we persist in refusing to recognize the existence of the UFOs, we will end up, one fine day, by
mistaking them for the guided missiles of an enemy - and the worst will be upon us."

Wolf also referenced a three-year study which determined that air defense scrambles and alerts had already occurred due to the presence of UFOs. All defense personnel "should be told that UFOs are real and should be trained to distinguish them - by their characteristic speeds and maneuvers - from conventional planes and missiles" the study said.

These concerns were taken seriously enough to be incorporated into the 1971 "Agreement on Measures to Reduce the Outbreak of Nuclear War" between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. The treaty states that the two countries will "notify each other immediately in the event of detection by missile warning systems of unidentified objects...if such occurrences could create a risk
of outbreak of nuclear war between the two countries."

The COMETA assures its readers that UFOs have not been the cause of any hostile acts "although intimidation maneuvers have been confirmed." In France, they say, there have been "visits above secret installations and missile bases" and "military aircraft shadowed" by UFOs. Like Miller, they warn against impulsive, uninformed actions. "In the face of an unknown situation, one must be on guard against any instinctive self-defense reaction that could be easily interpreted as a provocation."

Reports such as the one from France may open the door for the U.S. and other nations to be more forthcoming. Chile, for example, is openly addressing it's own concerns about air safety and UFOs. The now retired Chief of the Chilean Air Force has formed a committee with military and civil aviation experts to study recent near collisions between UFOs and civilian airliners.

GOVERNMENT WITNESSES: EXTRAORDINARY AND UNAMBIGUOUS EVENTS

While Commander Miller alerted the Pentagon, researcher Dr. Steven M. Greer was working the issue within the U.S.Congress and the executive branch. Greer, an emergency physician who has assembled government documents, visual evidence and credible witness reports on UFOs, also attended some of the Pentagon briefings with Miller.

In 1993, Greer was invited to meet with President Clinton's first sitting CIA Director, Admiral James Woolsey. The three hour event was arranged by futurist John L. Petersen, President and founder of the Washington area think tank The Arlington Institute, who "specializes in the area of national and global security" and currently serves as a Pentagon consultant, according to Institute materials. Petersen's credentials include stints at the Office of the Secretary of Defense and the National Security Council staff.

Petersen declined to answer questions concerning his purpose in hosting the dinner meeting at his home in Arlington, Virginia. However, he obviously was aware of the high stakes involved. In a sensitive memo he sent to Greer just prior to the meeting, he said that the dinner with Woolsey would "move the whole thing to a much, much higher plane..." and that "the most powerful people
in the world will have a deep, compelling interest in our
activities..." At the same time, he pointed out that the meeting - kept secret until 1998 - would raise "significant red flags for those who don't want to see this succeed."

Greer says he only needed 15 minutes to present Woolsey with the documentation he brought in a large briefcase. Woolsey was already convinced as to the reality of UFO's. Most of the meeting was spent discussing "what all of this means" and "the geopolitical implications of disclosing this matter fully to the public," Greer says

In August 1995, philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller provided Greer's briefing materials to President Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Presidential science advisor Jack Gibbons while they spent a weekend at Rockefellers' Wyoming ranch. Clinton then instructed Associate Attorney General at the Justice Department, Webster Hubbell, to investigate the existence of UFOs, as disclosed in his book Friends in High Places. Despite this request from the Commander-in-Chief, Hubbell was unable to obtain information on the subject.

Greer has worked tirelessly in an effort to bring about
Congressionsal hearings into the UFO question. He has earned the trust of over 100 government witnesses with personal, first-hand knowledge of UFO phenomena and related projects who are committed to testify under oath. These witnesses made their observations while in the Air Force, Army, Navy, NASA, private industry and intelligence operations. According to Greer, they are waiting only for Congressional subpoenas to protect them from penalties for violating national security oaths before coming forward.

Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell has talked to a number of these witnesses. "They have stated their first hand experience with conviction and their stories check out," he said. Coupled with the new military disclosures acknowledging national security concerns, advocates for Congressional hearings believe that the testimonies of these highly credible government witnesses could force, once and for all, a government examination of the "extra-terrestrial hypothesis" as has been done in France.

As a small prelude to these hearings, eleven witnesses risked coming forward "for ethical, moral and patriotic reasons" as Greer explained it. On April 9, 1997, Greer and his associates held an unprecedented, confidential congressional briefing at the Westin Hotel in Washington. The VIP's in attendance included Representative Dan Burton, Chair of the House Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, with his chief of staff, and staffers from nearly thirty congressional offices. Representatives from the executive branch, including a staff member from Vice President Gore's office, were present, along with representatives of two state governors, the Department of Defense, and the scientific community.

Greer told the attendees that the witnesses "have directly
handled this subject or have been present while it was occuring - major events, unambiguous events, not a light in the sky, but extroardinary events" and "are tremendously dedicated to trying to bring this forward to the public."

For over one and a half hours, participants heard from a
Pentagon cryptologist who said he viewed extraterrestrial space debris containing indecipherable writing, and a NASA subcontracter who saw restricted satellite photos showing flying discs that were routinely airbrushed out before public release. A navy pilot and his crew experienced electromagnetic effects in their airplane when a 300 foot UFO flew 25 miles in two seconds directly in front of the plane, as confirmed by Gander radar and official government documents.

Witnesses touched on national security concerns such as those brought to the Pentagon by Commander Miller. Loring Air Force base was visited by a silent triangular ship which hovered over B-52's on strategic alert. A senior admiral, amid command center chaos, issued a "force down" order against an elliptical-shaped craft of unknown origin, tracked by satellite, radar, and chased by military planes. According to the witness, it literally jumped between states in under a minute, flew out to sea and suddenly left the earth's atmosphere.

By all accounts, the VIP's present paid close attention. They had been clearly informed that these witnesses were only the tip of the iceberg out of a pool of more than 100. "This is a subject that can either bore you to death or shock you to death or absolutely leave you speechless" witness Major Steven Lovekin told them.

A veteran Congressional staffer received a standing ovation when, unsolicited, she took the floor and declared her determination to bring this information to the public by organizing for hearings on capitol hill. The next day, Miller, Lovekin, Mitchell and Greer brought the same information to the Joint Staff Vice Director for Intelligence at a private Pentagon briefing.

PROTECTING HARD-EARNED REPUTATIONS

Two years after the Washington briefing, the COMETA released its dramatic report which ended by stating that "only increasing pressure from public opinion, possibly supported by the results of independent researchers, by more or less calculated disclosures, or by a sudden rise in UFO manifestations might perhaps induce U.S. leaders and persons of authority to change their stance." Witness testimonies and other evidence presented in 1997 did not seem to create movement in that direction.

"Because the Congress is afraid they won't get re- elected, they don't even want to talk about this. I just think somebody should do something," says the Congressional staffer who is working for hearings behind the scenes.

When Representative Burton left the Westin Hotel that night, he requested that all information on the subject be sent to his office. Yet a recent inquiry to Burton's office revealed that whatever interest the Congressman may have shown will not bear fruit until the demand for hearings - from both the press and the public - escalates. "We haven't heard a very loud call for hearings on this issue yet," said press secretary John Williams. "As far as any intention of holding hearings regarding the existence of UFOs or anything that pertained to that briefing, we have no intention of holding any hearings on that right now." Williams stated that Burton's interest in the subject is purely personal.

Some representatives are interested, but only behind closed doors, says a democratic campaign manager, requesting anonymity, who has been intimately involved in electoral politics for 29 years. He has met personally with a number of members of congress on the subject. "With our thirty second commercials' ability to destroy hard-earned reputations, particularly using a subject like this, people are very hesitant to take a leading role on the subject, although they know that it's a very real matter," he says.

Nonetheless, one congressman did respond to public pressure. In 1993, New Mexico representative Steven Schiff requested that the General Accounting Office investigate the infamous 1947 crash of a mysterious object in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico. Two years later, he learned from the GAO that all documents and radio messages during the relevant time period had been destroyed "without proper authority." Schiff was unable to attend the Washington briefing in 1997 and died of an aggressive skin cancer the following year. No other member has picked up where he left off.

Dr. Greer, who has privately briefed both Representative
Christopher Cox and Senator Richard Bryan of the Senate Intelligence Committee, is asking supporters to apply pressure.

Missouri, the "Show Me" state, has become the first to launch a ballot initiative urging Congress to convene hearings in which government witnesses can testify "regarding their personal knowledge of any UFO-related evidence." Certified by the Missouri secretary of state in March, the initiative states that "the Federal Government's handling of the UFO issue has contributed to the public cynicism toward, and general mistrust of, government - a development injurious to our republic."

Robert Bletchman, a Connecticut attorney who conceived of the initiative, has no doubt it would win votes in the November election, as long as the requisite number of signatures are collected in time. "My expectation is that Missouri will kindle a firestorm of proactive interest throughout the country in those sixteen states that allow for the direct initiative," he says. Hundreds of thousands of votes would be involved. "What does Congress pay attention to? How real people at the ballot box actually vote," Bletchman says. "Maybe for the first time the
politicians would have to pay overt attention."

THE REAL NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT

On September 15, 1998, Commander Willard Miller and Dr. Steven Greer entered the Pentagon through the VIP entrance. After passing through metal detectors, they were escorted past armed security guards, up the massive staircase and into the innermost ring of the Pentagon. An electrically controlled door brought them into the comfortable outer office of the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), adorned with mahogany, walnut, brass, and military plaques.

Thirty minutes later, the DIA Director came out of his inner chamber, parting company with an entourage of high- level foreign Admirals and Generals. He graciously ushered in his two guests, taking his place at the head of a massive wood table. According to Miller's confidential memo of February 2000, an Army Colonel, a DIA staff member and a Defense Department clerk were also seated around the table. The briefing lasted 50 minutes.

Greer provided the military officials with declassified
documents from the CIA, DIA, FBI, NORAD, SAC (Strategic Air Command) and NMCC (National Military Command Center), referencing specific UFO events connected with military forces and bases. At the general's request, he provided a "comprehensive overview" of the subject.

Commander Miller's Military Information Outline prepared for the briefing included a discussion of national security
implications, military risks and recommended courses of action. Greer and Miller explained to the DIA Director that there is no credible evidence of hostility from UFO occupants. "The only threat to the national security of the United States is the continued denial of undeniable physical UFO occurrences and sightings to a public growing increasingly frustrated with its government's weak explanations," Miller says he told the Pentagon officials. "Some US Air Force denials defy logic and strain the public's tolerance, he said.

His point was dramatically illustrated in the aftermath of an extraordinary event that occurred one spring evening over the state of Arizona. On March 13, 1997, thousands observed enormous, lighted, triangular craft flying low and silently, sometimes hovering wingless over populated areas. Hundreds of feet long, air traffic controllers failed to register them on radar. To this day, the people of Arizona do not know what penetrated US airspace that night.

In response to public demand, Phoenix city council member Frances Barwood initiated an investigation into the Arizona triangles. "I like answers. I don't like unfinished business. People need to push their elected officials to find out what is invading our air space," she says. Barwood says she personally spoke with over seven hundred people who saw the objects.

She was never provided any reasonable explanation. Instead, the councilwoman was given the run-around from her city, state and federal government - including Arizona Senator John McCain - and was publicly ridiculed by the mayor of Phoenix. Yet she still considers this "an issue of state and national significance." Barwood has retired from politics to write a book about this experience. "The fact that the government never interviewed one witness doesn't make me feel too secure about our national security," she commented during a recent interview.

Arizona attorney Peter Gersten responded by filing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Defense in 1999. The case challenged the adequacy of the governments "reasonable search" for information about the triangular objects seen over Arizona in 1997, and elsewhere in the US over the last twenty years.

As recently as January 5, 2000, four policemen at different locations in St. Claire County, Illinois, witnessed a brightly lit, huge triangular craft flying at 1000 feet, according to the Los Angeles Times. Most alarming was the report from Lebanon police officer Thomas Barton that he witnessed the hovering object jump at least 8 miles in 3 seconds. Aeronautical expert Paul Czysz, who spent 29 years at McDonnell-Douglas designing faster-than-sound aircraft, says that such rapid motion cannot be explained in conventional terms. The object would be a "fireball" and "people on board would be mush," he says. Yet nearby Scott Air Force base and the FAA purport to know nothing

On February 29, 2000, a reporter brought the issue of military denial and the Arizona lawsuit to the attention of U.S. Senator John McCain of Arizona at a California press conference. "I think it's of great interest," responded the Presidential candidate, acknowledging that the 1997 "lights" seen over Arizona have "never been fully explained."

Nonetheless, the DoD continues to maintain that it can find no information about the triangular objects. It provided details of its search to the court as required by U.S. District Court Stephen M. McNamee of Phoenix for Gersten's lawsuit. On March 30, 2000, the judge concluded that "a reasonable search was conducted' even though no information was obtained, and he dismissed the case.

Like Barwood, Gersten is incredulous. "What is it that has unlimited, unrestricted access to our airspace in populated areas?" he says. "With so many worries about terrorist attacks, how could they not know what these triangles are?"

The danger of such blatant denial is what Navy Commander Willard Miller brought to the attention of the three star general from the Defense Intelligence Agency that day in 1998. Miller told him that the continued denial of information "causes the public to begin to loose additional faith in the military and the government. That's not good for the country. That type of non-response threatens the stability, trust and fabric of an open democratic society," he said.

Miller and Greer left the DIA director with a multi- volume
package of briefing materials and video documentation which had been prepared for the Washington briefing in 1997.

Once again, the French Generals make the same point raised by their American counterparts. "How can one try to ignore a phenomena that is manifested by the regular crossing of our air space by moving objects...If we do nothing, the very principle of defense and air intelligence would be called into question," they state.

According to Miller, all of the high-ranking military officers
at the briefings showed "a great amount of inquisitiveness." There was little laughter. "The briefings were accorded the same serious attention given to other briefings on national security matters," says Miller. He has yet to assess, however, whether he achieved the desired effect of transforming military policy towards UFO encounters and response to public inquiries.

"WHAT SHOULD WE PREPARE FOR?" ASK AMERICAN FIRE FIGHTERS

UFOs and Defense: What Should We Prepare For? recommends that the French government reflect on "the measures to take in the event of a spectacularþand indisputable manifestation of a UFO." Surprisingly, the United States has taken one small step in that
direction. The second edition of the Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control is currently used for training by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) at its National Fire Academy and is taught nationally through the seven universities offering degrees in fire science. Chapter 13 of the guide is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential." It warns fire fighters of known "UFO hazards" such as electrical fields that cause blackouts, air and ground travel disruptions by force fields, and physiological effects.

"Do not stand under a UFO that is hovering at low altitudes. Do not touch or attempt to touch a UFO that has landed," the book warns.





Researched primarily by now deceased US Naval Reserve Captain Charles Bahme, a Los Angeles deputy fire chief who also worked for the Department of Defense and the U.S. State Department, the chapter describes the role that fire fighters should play "in the event of the unexpected arrival of UFOs in their communities." As an example, it outlines a scenario of a UFO crashing into the boiler room of a school, where the spilled oil ignites, endangering the lives of those inside the craft. The fire officials are instructed to let the military take over.

Dr. William M. Kramer, professor of Fire Science at the
University of Cincinnati and an Ohio Fire Chief, co- authored the chapter and will be updating it this year. Kramer says that "the vast majority of fire fighters believe very definitely that UFOs are genuinely unidentifiable craft and are not natural phenomena native to our known earth and our known existence." Like most people, they are reluctant to admit this publicly.

The French Institute of Higher Studies for National Defense and the National Center for Space Studies are a few steps ahead of the United States military and NASA. Not only do they openly present information acknowledging the existence of UFOs and attempt to explain their origin, they also recommend a widespread information and training campaign on preparedness which would reach all sectors of the relevant political, military, and civilian spectrum in their country. Perhaps the report by the bold French generals - with its goal of "stripping the phenomenon of UFOs of its irrational layer" - will be a catalyst for American authorities to examine the issue of UFO's in a new light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w9qoszXuOM
Le Dossier Secret Des Ovnis (france5)

http://www.forum-ovni-ufologie.com/t...on-se-preparer

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Antoon 22 mei 2014 09:43

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kiko 22 mei 2014 21:51

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon (Bericht 7153063)
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Een wall of text dat 't één of 't ander zou moeten bewijzen. Of zoiets. Ik zal het in elk geval niet lezen.

JBM 11 juni 2014 16:27

Ik wist niet goed of ik hier een thread moet aanmaken of niet. Maar het leek me beter om het gewoon hier neer te zetten. Dit werd in dit topic al eens eerder aangehaald maar men lijkt er bij NASA echt wel in te geloven:

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-...-fr-1589001939

parcifal 12 juni 2014 20:26

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Ik wist niet goed of ik hier een thread moet aanmaken of niet. Maar het leek me beter om het gewoon hier neer te zetten. Dit werd in dit topic al eens eerder aangehaald maar men lijkt er bij NASA echt wel in te geloven:

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-...-fr-1589001939

Het papier, of de cad-software zo men wil, is gewillig. Ruimte-tijd ietsje minder. ;-)

De lijst met hypothetische ruimteschepen is lang, de eerste von neumann probe moet nog altijd gelanceerd worden en ook met project daedalus is het nooit wat geworden, hoewel ik daar ooit heel hard in geloofde. :-(
Maar als 8-jarige is het natuurlijk moeilijk de kansen van zoiets realistisch in te schatten. ;-)

Het Oosten 12 juni 2014 20:56

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Het papier, of de cad-software zo men wil, is gewillig. Ruimte-tijd ietsje minder. ;-)

De lijst met hypothetische ruimteschepen is lang, de eerste von neumann probe moet nog altijd gelanceerd worden en ook met project daedalus is het nooit wat geworden, hoewel ik daar ooit heel hard in geloofde. :-(
Maar als 8-jarige is het natuurlijk moeilijk de kansen van zoiets realistisch in te schatten. ;-)

Het bestaan van aliens is geen kwestie van geloof. Het is gewoon een kwestie van mathematische zekerheid. Vraag blijft wel of ze onze aarde kunnen bereiken en vooral hoe ze dat zouden kunnen of gekund hebben.

JBM 13 juni 2014 08:24

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal (Bericht 7193319)
Het papier, of de cad-software zo men wil, is gewillig. Ruimte-tijd ietsje minder. ;-)

De lijst met hypothetische ruimteschepen is lang, de eerste von neumann probe moet nog altijd gelanceerd worden en ook met project daedalus is het nooit wat geworden, hoewel ik daar ooit heel hard in geloofde. :-(
Maar als 8-jarige is het natuurlijk moeilijk de kansen van zoiets realistisch in te schatten. ;-)

Ja, dat is inderdaad allemaal zo. Maar men moet er bij NASA toch van overtuigd zijn dat dit op lange termijn enige kans op slagen heeft? Of ten minste andere bruikbare technologie oplevert? Of is NASA gewoon bezigheidstherapie voor superintelligente maar sociaal onaangepaste mensen? :)

Antoon 13 juni 2014 10:56

Onvoorstelbaar hoe deze draad al zo lang blijft bestaan, toch?

Antoon 13 juni 2014 10:56

Onvoorstelbaar hoe deze draad al zo lang blijft bestaan, toch?

Antoon 13 juni 2014 10:56

Onvoorstelbaar hoe deze draad al zo lang blijft bestaan, toch?

Antoon 13 juni 2014 10:57

stotter :lol::lol:

de vuile muilekoek 12 juli 2014 14:55

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Tjah, ik ben ervan overtuigd dat er ergens wel enig leven zal zijn buiten ons zonnestelsel of zo (los van het feit of ze al dan niet intelligenter zijn dan ons), maar die dokter hoenoemtiedaar geloof ik niet direct.
Als het zo'n geleerde man is zou ie z'n verhaal toch eerst sterk maken vooraleer deze naar voor te brengen?

Hoe ga je een verhaal sterk maken als niemand u geloven gaat ? dan moogt ge op uwe kop staan ...t'zijn de gewone mensen die het nooit of zeer moeilijk gaan geloven .. en het gaat over de menselijke aardse macht de strijd om DE WAARHEID wie wil de waarheid bezitten en hem verkopen ?, op internet gelezen dat er leefbare planeten zijn ontdekt op 16 lichtjaren van hier ,ewel ja waarom zouden wij de enigen zijn in het heelal ? ge moet goed zot zijn om te geloven dat wij de enige levende wezens zijn .. ooit komen ze wel eens op de koffie zijt dat maar zekers8-) er zijn al jaren bewijzen verdoezeld ,en de mensheid is inderdaad niet slimmer dan die wezens, voor mijn part bestaan ze.

de vuile muilekoek 12 juli 2014 15:00

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Hoe ga je een verhaal sterk maken als niemand u geloven gaat ? dan moogt ge op uwe kop staan ...t'zijn de gewone mensen die het nooit of zeer moeilijk gaan geloven .. en het gaat over de menselijke aardse macht de strijd om DE WAARHEID wie wil de waarheid bezitten en hem verkopen ?, op internet gelezen dat er leefbare planeten zijn ontdekt op 16 lichtjaren van hier ,ewel ja waarom zouden wij de enigen zijn in het heelal ? ge moet goed zot zijn om te geloven dat wij de enige levende wezens zijn .. ooit komen ze wel eens op de koffie zijt dat maar zekers8-) er zijn al jaren bewijzen verdoezeld ,en de mensheid is inderdaad niet slimmer dan die wezens, voor mijn part bestaan ze.

En nog iets , als men ziet hoeveel soorten levende op onze planeet alleen al bestaan
dieren en insecten enz... waarom zou er dan op andere planeten geen levende wezen kunnen zijn.8-)

Yog Sothoth 12 juli 2014 18:03

Zit jij nu jezelf te quoten????

En trouwens, het gaat er niet om of er leven op andere planeten is (daar twijfelt bijna niemand aan), maar of ze hier zijn, iets dat hier al honderden keren gezegd is...

de vuile muilekoek 12 juli 2014 20:37

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Zit jij nu jezelf te quoten????

En trouwens, het gaat er niet om of er leven op andere planeten is (daar twijfelt bijna niemand aan), maar of ze hier zijn, iets dat hier al honderden keren gezegd is...

Misschien ben ik er wel een aan mijn raar gedrag?8-)

Peche 25 juli 2014 01:43

Stel der wonen verschillende rassen op de aarde.
De mens is het ergste.
We wijzen de vingers naar reptillians, illuminati, ... Maar als wij mensen een vreedzame consensus bekomen, kan iedereen zich exposen en kunnen we de zaken eens eindelijk uitpraten als volwassen MENSEN.


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