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tatooke 20 april 2010 17:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus (Bericht 4703274)
Het is stilaan duidelijk dat er met die Cdude geen zinnige en objectieve discussie mogelijk is. Micele brengt een rapport aan en hij draait maar rond de pot.

Terug naar de kern van de zaak, met discusiepartners die wel intellectueel eerlijk zijn en inhoudelijk reageren....

bedankt voor deze wijze woorden exodus ;-)

Cdude 20 april 2010 18:05

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus (Bericht 4703274)
Het is stilaan duidelijk dat er met die Cdude geen zinnige en objectieve discussie mogelijk is. Micele brengt een rapport aan en hij draait maar rond de pot.

Terug naar de kern van de zaak, met discusiepartners die wel intellectueel eerlijk zijn en inhoudelijk reageren....

Hey Hare Krisna.
Hij heeft dat rapport al 3 KEREN INTEGRAAL hier geplakt en het ENIGE dat hij wil horen = het was een vliegende schotel met een alien.

Al 3X heb ik gezegd dat, het niet snappen/pakken GEEN bewijs voor alien is.

Duidelijk?

Eigenzinnig 20 april 2010 18:07

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4703310)
Hey Hare Krisna.
Hij heeft dat rapport al 3 KEREN INTEGRAAL hier geplakt en het ENIGE dat hij wil horen = het was een vliegende schotel met een alien.

Al 3X heb ik gezegd dat, het niet snappen/pakken GEEN bewijs voor alien is.

Duidelijk?

Mijn beste..NOOIT zeg ik u, NOOIT blijven discuteren met die die hard trekkies..:-D

170 pagina's rotzooi zijn het resultaat

kiko 20 april 2010 18:12

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus (Bericht 4703274)
Het is stilaan duidelijk dat er met die Cdude geen zinnige en objectieve discussie mogelijk is. Micele brengt een rapport aan en hij draait maar rond de pot.

Terug naar de kern van de zaak, met discusiepartners die wel intellectueel eerlijk zijn en inhoudelijk reageren....

Dat is dus overduidelijk op mij.

Feit is en blijft dat zonder onweerlegbare bewijzen geen enkele scepticus zal geloven dat er zich buitenaardse wezens bevinden op of rondom de Aarde.

Al het "bewijsmateriaal" dat er nu is, blijft een combinatie van gissingen, interpretaties en wishful thinking. En heel veel bedrog.

Cdude 20 april 2010 18:12

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Eigenzinnig (Bericht 4703313)
Mijn beste..NOOIT zeg ik u, NOOIT blijven discuteren met die die hard trekkies..:-D

170 pagina's rotzooi zijn het resultaat

Die hard trekkies zijn toch "iets" intelligentere mensen die zeker niet klakkeloos in aliens geloven.

Zoals ik al eerder zei , hopen ja, geloven nee, niet zonder bewijzen. En een rapport, ook al 10.000 keer herhaald, is géén bewijs.

Een paar keer probeerde ik de discussie naar intelligent leven in de kosmos te sturen maar dat botste op onwil gebruikt om de gebrek aan mentale capaciteiten te verdoezelen.

Cdude 20 april 2010 18:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kiko (Bericht 4703320)
Dat is dus overduidelijk op mij.

Feit is en blijft dat zonder onweerlegbare bewijzen geen enkele scepticus zal geloven dat er zich buitenaardse wezens bevinden op of rondom de Aarde.

Al het "bewijsmateriaal" dat er nu is, blijft een combinatie van gissingen, interpretaties en wishful thinking. En heel veel bedrog.

:clapping: :rofl: :clapping:

Zyklon B 20 april 2010 18:30

Jullie hebben zelf om de kaarten gevraagd. Ik roep de hulp van de scheids in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0_TS09lJc&feature=fvw

Cdude 20 april 2010 18:36

Dze AlienZ areZ quiet ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

tatooke 20 april 2010 18:57

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4703354)

UFO sightings are explained either as sightings of Earth-based aircraft or known astronomical objects, or as hoaxes. Some sightings have remained unexplained, in some cases having been reported by trained professionals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrials

Cdude 20 april 2010 19:00

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tatooke (Bericht 4703373)
UFO sightings are explained either as sightings of Earth-based aircraft or known astronomical objects, or as hoaxes. Some sightings have remained unexplained, in some cases having been reported by trained professionals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrials

UN EX PLAINED does NOT equal alien.

Gravity = UNEXPLAINED = alien?

"trained professionals" in alien recognition? :lol::lol:

Micele 20 april 2010 19:03

Tja, meer als linken en citeren kan ik ook niet meer.

Wat als een UFO echt landt en iemand beschrijft hoe hij de UFO echt aanraakt, volledig gedetailleerd beschrijft (3 getuigen), en iemand beschrijft hoe het materiaal aanvoelt ? en nog meer... :
Jim PENNISTON, TSgt USAF Ret, * getuigenis/militair rapport (logbook) helemaal onderaan, als de andere getuigenissen jullie niet interesseren...

Kleinschrift : (Technical Sergeant komt ongeveer overeen met een eerste sergeant of 1e SgtChef (= US-Airforce E6) -Onderofficieren gaan tot E9- maar wel iemand met (gespecialiseerde) technische opleiding).

via
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press.htm
PANELISTS IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SPOKE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE

Click on the name to read the statement

Wilfried DE BROUWER, Major General, Ret.
After spending 20 years as a fighter pilot, he was appointed to the Strategic Planning Branch in NATO while a Colonel in 1983. He then became Wing Commander of the Belgian Air Force Transport Wing and, in 1989, chief of the Operations Division in the Air Staff. It was in this function that he was confronted with the Belgian UFO wave. Promoted to Major General in 1991, he became Deputy Chief of Staff of the Belgian Air Force, in charge of Operations, Planning and Human Resources. General De Brouwer retired in 1995 and subsequently worked more than ten years as consultant in the United Nations to improve the UN Logistics rapid response capabilities during emergencies.

Dr. Claude POHER, engineer, astronomer and astrophysicist.
Had a 33 year career in space research at CNES (Centre National d’Etudes Spatiales), the French equivilant of NASA and was awarded the National Order of Merit. In 1977, he created and directed, at CNES, the GEPAN (Groupe d’Etude des Phénomènes Aérospatiaux Non identifiés ; Group for the Study of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena), the official French agency dedicated to the investigation and analysis of UFO reports. (Today, the agency is called GEIPAN.) He investigated numerous well-documented UFO cases while training investigators for GEPAN.

Jean-Charles DUBOC, Captain, Air France, Ret.
While piloting an Airbus A 320 over France in 1994, he observed a large lens-shaped UFO at about 25 NM to the left of the plane, also seen by the copilot and one steward. It didn’t move and then disappeared after one minute almost instantaneously. Duboc reported the sighting to Air Traffic Control and Air Defense Operations (CODA); simultaneously CODA recorded an unidentified object on radar crossing the track of the plane. The object seemed to disappear from the radar scope at the same instant as it did from the view of the crew. CODA investigations ruled out a weather balloon or any other aircraft.

Dr. Jean-Claude RIBES, Astrophysicist.
Radio Astronomer, Paris Observatory and associate director of National Institute for Astronomy and Geophysics. Member, New York Academy of Sciences. Contributed to the COMETA report, 1999, and the new book "Phenomenes spatiaux non identifies." As a long term consultant to GEIPAN, he was asked by the Steering Committee to represent GEIPAN at this event.

Parviz JAFARI, General, Iranian Air Force, Ret.
In 1976, as a major and squadron commander, he was ordered by the Air Force Command to approach, in his Phantom F-4 jet, a large UFO observed over Tehran. During a wild cat and mouse chase, he attempted to launch a Sidewinder missile at the brilliant object but at that instant his fire control consul became inoperable. The UFO exhibited an extraordinary degree of maneuverability. Other electromagnetic effects were reported. The object was pursued by a second pilot, recorded on radar and witnessed by a General and experienced air navigation crews. A US Government officer interviewed Jafari in Tehran and the incident was described in a detailed US Defense Intelligence Agency document, released through the Freedom of Information Act. The DIA assessment said “This case is a classic that meets all the necessary conditions for a legitimate study of the UFO phenomenon.” Later, as a General, Jafari became the coordinating officer between the Iranian Army, Navy and Air Force. He retired in 1989.

Rodrigo Bravo GARRIDO, Captain and Pilot for the Aviation Army of Chile.
In 2000, he was assigned to conduct an internal study titled "Introduction to Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon and their considerations for aerospace security" involving previous case reports military planes encounters with UAP. For the last several years he has continued this research on recent and current cases affecting aviation safety in cooperation with the Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena (CEFAA), a branch of the General Administration of Civil Aeronautics, Chile's FAA.

Comandante Oscar Alfonso SANTA MARIA HUERTAS
Commander with the Peruvian Air Force (FAP), Ret. Specialization as an Air Force fighter jet pilot. In 1980, while a FAP Lieutenant, he encountered a UFO while flying his SU-22 "SUKOI" jet over the La Joya Military Base. He fired at the object, strafing it with sixty-four 30mm rounds, but the UFO remained unaffected. A US Department of Defense document for the CIA and the NSA, titled “UFO Sighted in Peru,” describes the incident. “The Peruvian Air Force tried to intercept and destroy the UFO, but without success," it states, adding that the vehicle’s origin remains unknown. CMDT Santa Maris is currently a Flight Safety and Accident Prevention Consultant for the airline industry.

Dr. Anthony CHOY
Lawyer and founding member in 2001 of the Air Anomalous Phenomenon Investigation Office (OIFAA), of the Peruvian Air Force, with a Masters from the Peruvian Air Force in High Management in Defense and Aerospace Development. He conducted a three year investigation on a sequence of sightings and landings of a UFO on behalf of the OIFAA in 2002, which were recorded on video. In 2003, this case became the first official UFO investigation in Perú to be disclosed by the Air Force.

Ray BOWYER, Captain, Aurigny Airlines.
In April 2007 he observed a UFO estimated as being up to a mile long, visible from about 50 miles away, in the vicinity of the Channel Islands. Some of his passengers saw the object, as did at least one other pilot in the area. An anomalous radar return was detected and the incident was reported by the BBC.

Nick POPE, official for the UK's Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006.
From 1991 to 1994, he was the desk officer responsible for investigating officially documented UFO sightings to determine whether they involved any potential threat to the UK. As a result of his thorough study of some incidents involving the police and military during his watch, he and some colleagues became privately convinced that there were important defense, national security and flight safety issues involved with the unexplained phenomenon.

* Jim PENNISTON, TSgt USAF Ret. *
While stationed at RAF Bentwaters, a former US Air Force facility in the UK, he witnessed a landed UFO with two military patrolman in nearby Rendlesham Forest. He conducted a 45 minute ground investigation and filed an official report. He has the original log book with drawings including details of symbols on the craft; radiation records; and plaster casts of landing gear imprints. He is the only person out the three witnesses that actually touched the UFO.

Charles HALT, Col. USAF Ret.
Deputy Base Commander of RAF Bentwaters, former US Air Force facility in the UK. He witnessed multiple UFOs at close range with six other military personnel in December, 1980, and documented this event on a pocket tape recorder. He also saw a UFO shooting beams into sensitive weapons storage areas at the base. He wrote an official memorandum for the Ministry of Defence (MOD) describing a UFO maneuvering through the forest and ascending, which was released through the US Freedom of Information Act.

John CALLAHAN, Ret.
Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA in Washington DC, for 6 years during the 1980’s. He investigated an incident in which a 1986 Japanese Airlines 747 flight was followed by an unidentified object for 31 minutes over Alaska. The UFO also trailed a United Airlines flight until the flight landed. Data includes visual confirmation, air-based and ground-based radar confirmation, videotape radar evidence, air traffic voice communications and official reports.

Fife SYMINGTON
Two term Governor of Arizona in the nineties; cousin of the late Missouri Senator Stuart Symington; former Captain, USAF. While Governor, he witnessed to a massive craft up to a mile across over Arizona in 1997, also seen by hundreds of citizens. Although he attempted to investigate at the time, he also publicly spoofed the sighting so as not to add to the public hysteria, while keeping his own observation secret. He first revealed his sighting last March, and states that the craft is of unknown origin and the incident remains unsolved.

*
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http://www.freedomofinfo.org/nationa..._statement.pdf

JAMES PENNISTON

My name is James Penniston, United States Air Force Retired.
In 1980, I was assigned to the largest Tactical Fighter Wing in the Air Force, RAF Woodbridge in England. I was the senior security officer in charge of base security.
At that time I held a top-secret US and NATO security clearance and was responsible for the protection of war-making resources for that base.
Shortly after midnight on the 26th of December, 1980, Staff Sergeant Steffens briefed me that some lights were seen in Rendlesham Forest, just outside the base. He informed me that what ever it was didn’t crash…it landed. I discounted what he said and reported to the control center back at the base that we had a possible downed aircraft. I then ordered Amn. Cabanzak, AIC Burroughs to respond with me.
When we arrived near the suspected crash site it quickly became apparent that we were not dealing with a plane crash or anything else we’d ever responded to. There was a bright light emanating from an object on the forest floor. As we approached it on foot, a silhouetted triangular craft about 9 feet long by 6.5 feet high, came into view. The craft was fully intact sitting in a small clearing inside the woods.
As the three of us got closer to the craft we started experiencing problems with our radios. I then asked Cabansag to relay radio transmissions back to the control center. Burroughs and I proceeded towards the craft.
When we came up on the triangular shaped craft there were blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior as though part of the surface and the air around us was electrically charged. We could feel it on our cloths, skin and hair. Nothing in my training prepared me for what we were witnessing.
After ten minutes without any apparent aggression, I determined the craft was non hostile to my team or to the base. Following security protocol, we completed a thorough on-site investigation, including a full physical examination of the craft. This included photographs, notebook entries, and radio relays through airman Cabansag to the control center as required. On one side of the craft were symbols that measured about 3 inches high and two and a half feet across.
These symbols were pictorial in design; the largest symbol was a triangle, which was centered in the middle of the others. These symbols were etched into the surface of the craft, which was warm to the touch and felt like metal.
The feeling I had during this encounter was no type of aircraft that I’ve eve seen before.
After roughly 45 minutes the light from the craft began to intensify. Burroughs and I then took a defensive position away from the craft as it lifted off the ground without any noise or air disturbance. It maneuvered through the trees and shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed. It was gone in the blink of an eye.
In my logbook, (that I have right here) I wrote, Speed: IMPOSSIBLE. Over 80 Air Force Personnel, all trained observers assigned to the 81st Security Police Squadron, witnessed the takeoff.
The information acquired during the investigation was reported through military channels. The team and witnesses were told to treat the investigation as "top secret" and no further discussion was allowed.
The photos we retrieved from the base lab (two rolls of 35 mm) were apparently over exposed.

tatooke 20 april 2010 19:07

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4703378)
UN EX PLAINED does NOT equal alien.

Gravity = UNEXPLAINED = alien?

"trained professionals" in alien recognition? :lol::lol:

even helpen? dat zijn mensen die weten wat er zoal in de lucht te vinden is (en deze niet kunnen linken ) dat zijn professionals

Micele 20 april 2010 19:23

vervolg van de tekst:
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/nationa..._statement.pdf

Statement op video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHwhmc2m-tQ

Jim PENNISTON, TSgt USAF Ret. *
While stationed at RAF Bentwaters, a former US Air Force facility in the UK, he witnessed a landed UFO with two military patrolman in nearby Rendlesham Forest. He conducted a 45 minute ground investigation and filed an official report. He has the original log book with drawings including details of symbols on the craft; radiation records; and plaster casts of landing gear imprints. He is the only person out the three witnesses that actually touched the UFO.

Dat gaat er ook nog bij:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f/Haltmemo.jpg

officieel verslag van de USAF baseCO

Cdude 20 april 2010 19:34

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tatooke (Bericht 4703386)
even helpen? dat zijn mensen die weten wat er zoal in de lucht te vinden is (en deze niet kunnen linken ) dat zijn professionals

Unexplained blijft onbekend hoe graag jij het ook een andere betekenis geeft.
Onbekend kan betekenen : God, geesten, hologram, robot, ook alien, smart pigs, Boedda, flying spaghetti monster, ...

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The photos we retrieved from the base lab (two rolls of 35 mm) were apparently over exposed.
Spijtig eh ...en dat gebeurt nu eens élke keer se ..:lol:

Je gaat toch AL die UFO verslagen hier neerpleuren , I hope?

tatooke 20 april 2010 19:39

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4703420)
Unexplained blijft onbekend hoe graag jij het ook een andere betekenis geeft.
Onbekend kan betekenen : God, geesten, hologram, robot, ook alien, smart pigs, Boedda, flying spaghetti monster, ...

Spijtig eh ...en dat gebeurt nu eens élke keer se ..:lol:

Je gaat toch AL die UFO verslagen hier neerpleuren , I hope?

de NASA zou 40 rollen film hebben vernietigd ,zou dat niet kunnen?

tatooke 20 april 2010 19:43

Je gaat toch AL die UFO verslagen hier neerpleuren , I hope?

waarom?je leest toch "niets" dus ......

Cdude 20 april 2010 19:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tatooke (Bericht 4703429)
de NASA zou 40 rollen film hebben vernietigd ,zou dat niet kunnen?

"zou" ...kunnen er ook 4 zijn of 4 miljoen , of een alien ?

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Speculative reason is contemplative, detached, and certain, whereas practical reason is engaged, involved, active, and dependent upon the specifics of the situation. Speculative reason provides the universal, necessary principles of logic, such as the principle of contradiction, which must apply everywhere, regardless of the specifics of the situation.

Cdude 20 april 2010 19:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tatooke (Bericht 4703438)
Je gaat toch AL die UFO verslagen hier neerpleuren , I hope?

waarom?je leest toch "niets" dus ......

Nee, omdat ik de meeste, zoniet alle , ken

tatooke 20 april 2010 19:54

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude (Bericht 4703460)
Nee, omdat ik de meeste, zoniet alle , ken

ik zou zeggen hou u even bezig:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/ allemaal pdf ;-)

Cdude 20 april 2010 19:57

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tatooke (Bericht 4703373)
UFO sightings are explained either as sightings of Earth-based aircraft or known astronomical objects, or as hoaxes. Some sightings have remained unexplained,

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wel intellectueel eerlijk
Definitie van "intellectueel eerlijk"

0Xunexplained = alien0X


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