De vraag is niet of ze nep zijn, maar of de "alien"-uitleg enige waarde bezit.
Wel, veel voorbeelden van ufologen die beweren dat een filmpje een bewijs van aliens is, zonder verder enig concreet bewijs voor die bewering, dat heeft precies 0 statistische betekenis.

Statistiek is geen vrije kunstvorm, maar een tak van de toegepaste Wiskunde.
"Kans" heeft een nauwkeurige definitie.
Als je ons toont hoe je die kans berekent, misschien kan je iemand wel overtuigen.

U komt altijd terug aandraven met de term 'alien'. Ik heb het nooit over 'aliëns' gehad in deze. Maar ik kan het niet uitsluiten natuurlijk. Waarom wel.

En voor wat de inplants betreft, zeg !k ook niet wat ze zijn.

Idem dito voor de cattle mutilations. Ze zijn er nu eenmaal. Meer nog, als men die plaatsen verbindt over de wereld waar die verminkingen plaatsvinden, dan komt men tot een opvallend patroon.

:lol:

Je weet toch dat dit forum een goeie zoekfunctie heeft.
Een voorbeeld uit vele:Neen, uiteraard zeg je dat niet. Hoe zou het ook kunnen.
Tenslotte, alhoewel er vele voorbeelden van zijn (dat beweerde jij althans), is er nog nooit één implant effectief onderzocht. Heel vreemd.

Een opvallend patroon, zowaar. :roll:

Misschien wachten we beter totdat je eens met iets concreets afkomt.
Nu is het echt belachelijk aan het worden.

(Ik besef ineens dat de moderatie de draad naar koetjes en kalfjes heeft verplaatst. Een correcte beslissing, alvast.)

De mens heeft al zoveel keren gesprongen, de kans is uitermate klein dat ie niet over de lat komt, (die eigenlijk voor polsstokspringen bedoeld is)

Jaja, dat zal wel, maar in de posts waarover wij het hebben, heb ik het nooit over aliens gehad.

De moderatie? Is dat uw criterium? Het is niet de eerste keer dat deze blunders begaat. En waarschijnlijk ook niet de laatste keer. Mij maakt het allemaal niet uit. Ooit zal de zogenaamde ‘moderatie’ rood worden van schaamte. En u waarschijnlijk ook.

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Luis Elizondo: Roswell was real.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-vKn-Qqbg

Dan tóch implants?





Elizondo over implants:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9DapE5OP0

‘The Times They Are A Changin…'




Scientists are getting serious about UFOs.
In the decades since, UFOs have often come to be dismissed by scientists as the province of wackos and thus unworthy of study. The term UFO has a smirk factor to it, says Iain Boyd, an aerospace engineer at the University of Colorado Boulder and director of the school’s Center for National Security Initiatives.

But government agencies and officials are trying to change that attitude. Among the biggest concerns is that the stigma associated with reporting a sighting has the side effect of stifling reports from pilots or citizens who might have valuable information about potential threats in U.S. air space.
(ScienceNews)



Diehard debunkers van het eerste uur zullen dit niet zo graag horen...
Het zij zo.

Waarom zouden "Diehard debunkers van het eerste uur" dit niet zo graag horen?

Je gaf geen link, maar het artikel is gemakkelijk terug te vinden, en heel interessant.
Enkele passages:

To help reduce the stigma, many serious investigators now refer to UFOs as “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs, coined by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2022. “The term UAP brings science to the issue,” Boyd says. It also rightly broadens the view to include natural atmospheric phenomena as well as things outside the atmosphere, such as satellites and particularly bright planets such as Venus.
Investigators of all types have a lot of questions about UAPs that they believe deserve serious scientific scrutiny: Which UAPs are something real and which are merely artifacts of the sensors that detect them? If real, which may be a threat to aviation? A threat to national security? Do they point to some unknown natural phenomena?
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As expected, UAP sightings weren’t as frequent in counties with a lot of tree cover and large amounts of nighttime light pollution, the researchers reported in Scientific Reports. Average cloud cover didn’t seem to affect the number of sightings one way or another — but maybe that’s because the team looked at average cloud cover over the course of the year, not the amount of cloud cover at the time of the sighting, Medina suggests.

What did boost the number of sightings substantially was proximity to airports or military installations. Although this analysis doesn’t specifically say that many UAPs in such areas can be attributed to aircraft associated with those facilities, the data are suggestive, Medina notes. At such sites, aircraft are likely to be closer to the ground and more visible than at other places, he adds.

And many of those aircraft could have been classified or experimental craft, according to a report issued earlier this year by the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. After undertaking an analysis of reports made to or by the government since 1945, that office found that many sightings could be attributed to never-before-seen craft such as rockets, drones or aircraft incorporating stealth technologies. The analysis found no evidence that any UAPs were signs of extraterrestrials and no evidence that the U.S. government ever had access to alien technology.
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Although many UAPs remain puzzling, experts have identified some common sources. Saucer-shaped lenticular clouds, birds in flight, thermal fluctuations in the atmosphere and other natural phenomena explain some sightings, as do celestial objects like Venus. And while no alien technology has been linked to UAPs, human tech has, including weather balloons, satellites, drones, airborne trash and military aircraft. Last year, a particularly spooky spiral in the sky over northwestern Canada turned out to be vapor from unspent fuel released from a SpaceX rocket.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...o-uap-security

Het is de titel van het artikel die alleszeggend is. Maar dat was u even vergeten.Edoch, dat zijn we van u gewoon.

De titel is zo gekozen om de doelgroep aan te zetten het artikel te lezen, helaas ze vinden de titel alleszeggend...

UFOs becoming increasingly attractive to US academics - study



An interest of growing legitimacy among scientists.
Unidentified flying objects (UFOs) have captivated the public consciousness for decades, seen by many as being tantalizing signs of the possible existence of alien life.

However, for years, all details surrounding UFOs were wrapped up in secrecy. This is because the primary fear of governments at the time wasn't that they could be extraterrestrial spacecraft but rather were advanced technology from rival world powers.

Over a third (37%) of US academics are interested in researching UFOs while a large minority (19%) have either witnessed or know someone who has witnessed unidentified aerial/anomalous phenomena (UAPs), a new study revealed.

The findings of this study were published in the peer-reviewed academic journal Humanities and Social Sciences Communications.

The study comes amid a resurgence in interest in UFOs/UAPs from bots the general public, military/defense sectors, and from scientists.

(Jerusalem Post , mei 2023)

Vroeger haalden de wetenschapslui hooghartig hun neus op voor heel dit ‘UFO-gedoe’. (1) Nu is het al heel wat minder. En terecht!



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(1) Een beetje zoals de moderator nog steeds hier op dit forum…

De beperkingen van clickbait, zowaar.

De frustraties van ‘Lue’ Elizondo.





Luis (‘Lue’) Elizondo zat natuurlijk op de eerste rij voor wat betreft de studie en kennis van UFO’s of UAP’s. Hij leidde jarenlang het geheim US-miljoenendollar onderzoek naar ufo’s. Hij had dus heel wat informatie verzameld die de doorsnee burger niet bezat en -voorlopig toch- nooit zou te horen of te zien krijgen.

Maar niettegenstaande zijn grote bevoegdheden en zijn zeer hoge ‘clearances’ van allerlei aard (1), stootte hij steevast op een muur van stilzwijgen wanneer hij informatie opvroeg die betrekking had op de berging van ‘gecrashde alien crafts’ en de ‘alien biologics’ die de bergingsteams hadden gerecupereerd. Hetgeen hem allemaal zeer ergerde, zeer boos maakte en uitermate frustreerde. Dit is wat hij hierover vertelt in zijn boek Imminent. Een uittreksel:

“Days went by, and I grew increasingly angry. Here we were, ostensibly investigating the unthinkable, and others in governement were actively hiding it from us. We knew dat our adversaries had their own UAP research programs. We also had incursions of our most sensitive restricted airspace happening regularly, and urgent national security concerns we were investigating. How could others working for our governement not share what they knew with us? This was unfathomable and egregius to me. This went against any instinct of national security. In essence if, you are not part of our solution, then you are part of our problem.
(…)
We had to push the issue.

Knowing the US government had recovered both intact and partial craft, where were the biological remains? “Where the hell are the biosamples?”
After years of work on the topic, we still had not received an answer tot this key question. What reached my ears instead were excuse after excuse. We had data, reports, photos, video, en countless eyewitnesses.

If you accept that the “modern” era of UAP sightings dates to 1947, that means those who came before us had almost eighty years to obfuscate and literally bury the truth.

Senior officials told me continuously and confidentially that big aerospace compagnies have been part of the Legacy Program to retrieve en reverse-engineer crash materials. The big names included Lockheed Martin, TRW, McDonnell Douglas, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, BAE Systems, and the Aerospace Corporation, all of wich had long been the principal members of the US military-industrial complex. I was also told that Monsanto, a biotechnology corporation absorbed by Bayer in 2018, may have historically been involved, most likely dealing with biological specimens.

Who knows how many extremly valuable inventions and technological advancements came of the back of this research, and how much money was made by these contractors.”
(Imminent, blz. 130-131)



Moeilijk te aanvaarden dat Elizondo dit allemaal uit zijn duim zuigt.



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(1) At the time of his resignation Elizondo had reached the highest level of civilian non-political appointment employment in the Federal government of the United States as a “GS-15 employee”, the civilian equivalent to colonel rank.




Luis Elizondo in zijn jongere jaren.