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7 november 2007 15:09 |
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Had Galileo Galilei (waar ik me zeker niet mee wil vergelijken) niet durven afstappen van de algemene wetten en theorieën was hij nooit tot de constatatie gekomen dat we met ons aardklootje rond de zon draaien
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Galileo had argumenten, jij alléén maar beweringen.
Beweringen die aantoonbaar fout zijn.
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Intussen zijn alleen de hardleerse gelovigen van het main stream verhaal er nog van overtuigd dat JFK enkel door Lee Harvey Oswald is doodgeschoten, Pearl Harbour niet op voorhand geweten was door Roosevelt, de aanval op de USS Liberty weldegelijk omwille van een vergissing met een schip dat 60 meter korter was heeft plaats gevonden, Tonkin geen enkel uitstaans had met de plannen om Vietnam aan te vallen, er zijn er nog steeds die geloven dat er zich in Irak WMD bevonden en dat S. Houssein en vinger had in 9-11.
Ik weet niet of jij de perikelen rond 9-11 volgt en of jij daar uberhaubt een standpunt over inneemt en je mag voor mijn part nog steeds geloven dat Osama Bin Laden het brein is achter deze aanslagen, men kan intussen al lang niet meer ontkennen dat de officiële verklaringen, studies en rapporten vol catastrofale fouten zitten waar zelfs een middelbare schoolstudent met een beetje wetenschappelijke basis de gaten identificeert.
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Je wil een sereen debaat, en dan post je deze zever. :roll:
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Het is dus soms interessant en absoluut noodzakelijk om de reeds bewandelde paden eens opzij te laten liggen en de wildernis in te duiken
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De paden die jij bewandelt zijn helemaal niet onbewandeld.
Ze zijn alléén ongefundeerd.
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Blijkbaar zijn alleen de 'niet-serieuse' onderzoekers er nog mee bezig, wie is serieus en wie niet? Was Galileo Galilei serieus of niet?
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Waarom geef je dan geen ernstige bronnen? Van echte historici?
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Het is op basis van deze post onwaarschijnlijk, maar daarom nog niet uitgesloten, alweer een trend die met een aantal woorden makkelijk in een richting geduwd kan worden
Hoeveel zijn deze "some"?
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Een artikel lezen doet soms wonderen. Mocht je de hele conclusie lezen dan wist je inmiddels dat jouw bewering dat het overgrote deel (tot 85%) van de Asjkenazische Joden Khazaren zijn totaal ongefundeerd is.
Graag post ik de volledige conclusie:
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From a very early time the Khazars were a diverse and generally tolerant people. A kagan's mobilization from the early days of the Khazar kingdom indicates that there were people with all sorts of hairstyles, living quarters, and lifestyles in the country. But it would be a mistake to interpret the Islamic sources by arguing that the Khazars were not Jews. Rather, the inhabitants of Khazaria were of diverse origins - Iranians, Turks, Slavs, Greeks, Goths, and others - and we cannot expect them to have always followed the faith of the ruling Khazar tribe, because the Khazar king never forced the religion of Judaism upon them.
It seems that after the fall of their kingdom, the Khazars adopted the Cyrillic script in place of Hebrew and began to speak East Slavic (sometimes called "Canaanic" because Benjamin of Tudela called Kievan Rus the "Land of Canaan"). These Slavic-speaking Jews are documented to have lived in Kievan Rus during the 11th-13th centuries. However, Yiddish-speaking Jewish immigrants from the west (especially Germany, Bohemia, and other areas of Central Europe) soon began to flood into Eastern Europe, and it is believed that these newer immigrants eventually outnumbered the Khazars. Thus, Eastern European Jews predominantly have ancestors who came from Central Europe rather than from the Khazar kingdom. The two groups (eastern and western Jews) intermarried over the centuries. This idea is not new. In a footnote in Chapter 2 of History of the Jews in Russia and Poland Volume 1 (English translation, 1916), the great Ashkenazic historian Simon Dubnow writes: "It is quite possible that there was an admixture of settlers from the Khazar kingdom, from the Crimea, and from the Orient in general, who were afterwards merged with the western element." (page 39).
The Ashkenazi Jews are also the direct descendants of the Israelites. Genetic tests seem to indicate that Jewish ancestry largely comes from the regions known today as Turkey, Armenia, Israel, and Iraq. Mediterranean Fever, for example, is found among some Ashkenazi Jews as well as Armenians and Anatolian Turks. Many Ashkenazi men who belong to the priestly caste (Kohenim) possess the "Cohan modal haplotype" (CMH) on the Y-chromosome. While not exclusive to Jews, the CMH is found mostly in peoples from the north-eastern Mediterranean region (and, incidentally, among Palestinian Arabs), and its distribution supports the claim that Jews who have the CMH have an ancestral line from the Middle East. A genetics study released in May 2000, led by Michael Hammer, contends that the results show that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to Yemenite Jews, Iraqi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews, and Arabs than they are to European Christian populations, and that hardly any intermarriage or conversion has occurred to affect the Jewish groups over the centuries. A study the following year by Ariella Oppenheim et al. showed why it is important to include multitudes of comparisons between ethnic groups; Hammer had failed to test Kurds and any Slavic group other than Russians, whereas Oppenheim's team did so and therefore came to somewhat different conclusions. But, in general, evidence from both studies is strong that most Ashkenazic Jews descend from Judeans in their paternal lineages. DFNB1, a genetic mutation causing deafness, affects Jews as well as Palestinians and other Mediterranean populations, according to research by Dr. Aravinda Chakravarti. A particular mutation that causes coagulation factor XI deficiency is found among both Iraqi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews, from a common ancient ancestor over 2000 years ago. Discussions and summaries of genetic evidence are here.
The population geneticist Nathaniel Michael Pearson worked with the Human Genome Project a few years ago and helped to collect DNA samples from North Caucasians, Turks, Sino-Tibetans, and other groups. Pearson is of Ukrainian Jewish background and compared his paternal Y-chromosome sample to those of men from other groups. His DNA matched with an Uzbekistani Uzbek, an Uzbekistani Tajik, and two men from New Delhi in northern India. Pearson believes that the Central Asian haplotype he has could be connected to the Khazar Turks. However, he told me that this haplotype "appears at only a couple percent frequency in a large Ashkenazi sample (and strangely shows a slightly higher, but still very low, frequency among Moroccan Jews)". In other words, this particular possibly-Khazar ancestral strain represents a minority rather than a majority of Eastern European Jews. And while maternal DNA (mtDNA) studies have shown substantial links between Ashkenazi Jews and the peoples of Europe, these non-Israelite inputs into the Ashkenazi genepool still do not represent the majority of total maternal and paternal Ashkenazi ancestry, and probably only some of these European inputs come from Khazar women.
Additional, more comprehensive genetic testing may help us to understand the extent of any Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi gene pool. For now, I can point out that the Israelite traces among the East European Jews came from three sources: (1) Sephardic Jews fleeing Spain and Portugal and resettling in Lithuania and Poland, (2) Roman Jews, and from (3) Khazarian Jews who merged with Israelites, just as the Schechter Letter states "they became one people". The Khazars and the Israelites mixed with each other.
Are all Jews around the world descended from the Khazars? Certainly not. East European Jewish ancestry originates substantially from ancient Judea, and the same is true of most other modern Jewish populations (with the exception of groups like Libyan Jews and Ethiopian Jews). But, it is rational to conclude that some Jews also have some Khazar ancestors.
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