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DebianFox

17 mei 2008 20:30

het imago van Vlaanderen wat opkrikken

Is het na de negatieve berichtgevingen over Vlaanderen in de buitenlandse eens geen tijd om zelf iets te doen tegen al deze Franstalige aanvallen? Volgens mij is het tijd om eens een mail te schrijven naar de redactie van diverse buitenlandse kranten. Er moet in ieder geval eens duidelijk uitgelegd worden dat de Franstaligen een ongrondwettelijke kieskring waarin zij privileges genieten weigeren te splitsen, zich weigeren te integreren in Vlaanderen en bovendien een agressieve politiek van annexionisme voeren.

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The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being facistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government about the Flemish failure to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek.

These 3 French-speaking mayors have violated our linguistic legislation. Some of the election papers had been sent in French whereas Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence and at city councils meetings.

Besides this “investigation” was lead by Guégan, a French. I dispute the neutrality of this “investigation”.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
Are these mayors really “democratically elected?” They are elected in an electoral arrondissement that collides with the Belgian constitution, namely Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with language facilities for French-speakers. Due to an inflow from Brussels these villages became frenchified. The French-speakers in our Flemish municipalities refuse it flatly to integrate and to adjust. Despite of their new home in Dutch-speaking Flanders, they usually don't learn Dutch. Due to an electoral arrondissement that collides with the constitution they still can vote for French-speaking politicians (who defends their interests of course) in Flanders. They don't want to integrate and they are very disdainful about our language and culture. Since they are in some Flemish municipalities a majority, they want to enlarge the bilingual region of Brussels by annexing those Flemish municipalities. Do You realize now that the policy of the French-speakers consists of annexionism and blackening Flanders?

De mail is natuurlijk nog ver van klaar, dit is wat ik voorlopig snel in mekaar heb gebakken. Gebruik deze draad dan ook voor opmerkingen, suggesties en verbeteringen.

azert

17 mei 2008 20:33

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DebianFox (Bericht 3430142)

Ik zou na deze zin stoppen met lezen:

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Besides this “investigation” was lead by Guégan, a French. I dispute the neutrality of this “investigation”.

Alsof een Fransman niet neutraal; kan zijn.

DebianFox

17 mei 2008 20:41

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door azert (Bericht 3430145)

Ik zou na deze zin stoppen met lezen:

Alsof een Fransman niet neutraal; kan zijn.

Dat zou misschien beter wat meer formeler en beleefder neergeschreven worden.

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Please allow me to dispute the neutrality of this investigation, given that it was lead by a French.

azert

17 mei 2008 20:42

lees eens

http://forum.politics.be/showpost.ph...postcount=1226

azert

17 mei 2008 21:03

Je kunt er misschien deze link ook bij zetten:

http://www.sixlog.be/2008/05/non-vio...ave-a-problem/

DebianFox

17 mei 2008 21:05

Oei het is "fascistic" en niet "facistic".

DebianFox

17 mei 2008 21:09

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The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being fascistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government about the Flemish failure to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek.

These 3 French-speaking mayors have violated our linguistic legislation. Some of the election papers had been sent in French whereas Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence and at city councils meetings.

Please allow me to dispute the neutrality of this investigation, given that it was lead by a French.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
Are these mayors really “democratically elected?” They are elected in an electoral arrondissement that collides with the Belgian constitution, namely Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with language facilities for French-speakers. Due to an inflow from Brussels these villages became frenchified. The French-speakers in our Flemish municipalities refuse it flatly to integrate and to adjust. Despite of their new home in Dutch-speaking Flanders, they usually don't learn Dutch. Due to an electoral arrondissement that collides with the constitution they still can vote for French-speaking politicians (who defends their interests of course) in Flanders. They don't want to integrate and they are very disdainful about our language and culture. Since they are in some Flemish municipalities a majority, they want to enlarge the bilingual region of Brussels by annexing those Flemish municipalities. Do You realize now that the policy of the French-speakers consists of annexionism and blackening Flanders?

Zwartengeel

17 mei 2008 22:01

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door azert (Bericht 3430191)

Je kunt er misschien deze link ook bij zetten:

http://www.sixlog.be/2008/05/non-vio...ave-a-problem/

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Désolé pour mon orthographe … je ne suis pas anglophone….

Juist, ja... :?

DebianFox

17 mei 2008 22:11

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zwartengeel (Bericht 3430285)

Juist, ja... :?

Geen suggesties of opmerkingen betreffende de mail?

Jazeker

17 mei 2008 23:13

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The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being fascistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government not to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek. The Flemish government cites as the main reason that they have violated the Flemish linguistic legislation. The election papers had been sent in French by default although Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence with local government unless French-speaking citizens request a French version and by law, Dutch should be the language to be used at city council meetings. Also the latter point was not something the three mayors excelled at.

The investigation of the situation of the mayors led by mr. Guégan, a Frenchman. Since French-speaking Belgian politicians have always been very active in lobbying for their cause, most certainly amongst French politicians. This raises questions about the neutrality of the mindset in which mr. Guégan has formed a view on a complex matter like this.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
But are these mayors really elected democratically? They were elected in an electoral region that is unlawful according to the Belgian constitution, a fact that was confirmed by one of the highest legal counsils in this land. We are talking about the infamous "BHV" or Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with special language rights, also known as faciliteiten or facilites, for French-speaking citizens. Due to the fact that wealthy French-speaking people from Brussels flee the city, those Flemish villages have become villages with a majority of French-speaking voters. Those people refuse to integrate into the Flemish community, by refusing to learn just a tiny bit of Dutch and by voting for politicians that always want to dig deeper into Flanders to gain territory. Let's say that a thirst for the territory of other people might suit the word "fascism" a bit more then. From the European Counsil it might not be obvious to see, but daily their media are full of disrespectful comments about the Flemish culture and language. They'd say that the Flemish people does not have a language at all but just some dialects that cannot compete with the lingua franca that French is supposed to be.

I hope my letter can convince you that there is no problem of french-speaking people being discriminated in Flanders. We want them to integrate into their community as well as we want that for all people that join us. But the image that the EU and its several institutions always show the world about the Flemish people is one of intolerance and hatred. While all we do is defend our own region. We do not even claim one municipality in the Walloon region. We want to have the Flemish laws respected in the Flemish region. We do not impose laws on Walloon ground. Then why are we fascists while we defend and they attack? Why can they claim our villages while we do not do that vice versa?

Kwam een beetje warrig over. Ik zou nog eens nadenken over de structuur en volgorde waarin je dingen aanbrengt. Zo zou ik de uitleg over de status van die drie gemeenten als drie van de zes faciliteitengemeenten een stuk eerder in de tekst zetten.

Ik ga nu even wat opvallende dingen even aanduiden, met mijn evt. suggestie erbij.

Ok... beetje bijgestuurd.

Ik vind dit een goed initiatief, maar deze draad mag weg uit K&K en moet naar pakweg "Staatsinrichting". Ik zal er zelf later nog op terugkomen qua aanvullingen of verbeteringen, maar ik laat het voor vanavond. En ik ben zeker dat anderen mijn verbeteringen ook weer kunnen bijsturen.

Maar vraag de mods of ze deze draad in het gepaste subforum zetten. Hier gaat iets goeds uitkomen. Al was het maar een brief die in de prullenmand terechtkomt. Dan hebben de Vlamingen weer iets om over te radicaliseren. Weg met de EU! :twisted:

Jeronimo

18 mei 2008 00:07

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The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being fascistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government about the Flemish failure to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek.

These 3 French-speaking mayors have violated our linguistic legislation. Some of the election papers had been sent in French whereas Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence and at city councils meetings.

Please allow me to dispute the neutrality of this investigation, given that it was lead by a French.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
Are these mayors really “democratically elected?” They are elected in an electoral arrondissement that collides with the Belgian constitution, namely Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with language facilities for French-speakers. Due to an inflow from Brussels these villages became frenchified. The French-speakers in our Flemish municipalities refuse it flatly to integrate and to adjust. Despite of their new home in Dutch-speaking Flanders, they usually don't learn Dutch. Due to an electoral arrondissement that collides with the constitution they still can vote for French-speaking politicians (who defends their interests of course) in Flanders. They don't want to integrate and they are very disdainful about our language and culture. Since they are in some Flemish municipalities a majority, they want to enlarge the bilingual region of Brussels by annexing those Flemish municipalities. Do You realize now that the policy of the French-speakers consists of annexionism and blackening Flanders?

Over het algemeen ziet de tekst er goed uit. Bij defend hoeft geen s te staan en verder moet "arrondissement" in het Engels "district" zijn dacht ik. Of je voor "Fransman" "French" kan gebruiken heb ik nergens gevonden, dus ik zou eerder "Frenchman" gebruiken. En ik zou precies ook het woord "refusal" gebruiken, dat klinkt wat minder negatief dan "failure". ;-)

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The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being fascistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government about the Flemish refusal to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek.

These 3 French-speaking mayors have violated our linguistic legislation. Some of the election papers had been sent in French whereas Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence and at city councils meetings.

Please allow me to dispute the neutrality of this investigation, given that it was lead by a Frenchman.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
Are these mayors really “democratically elected?” They are elected in an electoral district that collides with the Belgian constitution, namely Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with language facilities for French-speakers. Due to an inflow from Brussels these villages became frenchified. The French-speakers in our Flemish municipalities refuse it flatly to integrate and to adjust. Despite of their new home in Dutch-speaking Flanders, they usually don't learn Dutch. Due to an electoral district that collides with the constitution they still can vote for French-speaking politicians. This collides with our constitution, since it gives them privileges that the Flemings in Wallonia don’t get. They don't want to integrate and they are very disdainful about our language and culture. Since they are in some Flemish municipalities a majority, they want to enlarge the bilingual region of Brussels by annexing those Flemish municipalities. Do You realize now that the policy of the French-speakers consists of annexionism and blackening Flanders?

*damn, nu heb ik die van Jazeker gemist...

Patriot!

18 mei 2008 06:53

Pff, wat een belabberd Engels! :?

azert

18 mei 2008 06:54

Toch wel vervelend dat je het Vlaamse standpunt altijd in een andere taal moet uiteenzetten, terwijl buitenlandse correspondenten blijkbaar altijd Frans kennen, want ze zouden hun info uit Le Soir en La Libre halen.

Op TV was er wel een Oostenrijkse journaliste die zei: Franstalige lobby??? Nog nooit iets van gemerkt? Het zijn eerder de Vlamingen die lobbyen.

Txiki

18 mei 2008 07:05

Met 1 brief ga je niets bereiken. Goede contacten met buitenlandse media vraagt jaren samenwerking en daarin moet vertrouwen groeien. Persoonlijk heb ik al bijna tien jaar nauwe contacten met diverse Baskische media. Zij schrijven nooit zwart-wit over Vlaanderen, noch in het voordeel noch in het nadeel van Vlaanderen.

Bovendien, nu plots daarmee beginnen, lijkt op een paniekreactie. En tot slot, doe zoals de Basken: de berichtgeving over Baskenland wordt systematisch gemanipuleerd. So what? Ze doen gewoon verder.

azert

18 mei 2008 07:23

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Een brief schrijven is altijd goed om je frustraties kwijt te raken.
Het is een goede therapie.

Txiki

18 mei 2008 07:31

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door azert (Bericht 3430708)

Een brief schrijven is altijd goed om je frustraties kwijt te raken.
Het is een goede therapie.

Wil jij dan de rol van therapeut op jou nemen? :-)

DebianFox

18 mei 2008 07:46

Citaat:

The Council of Europe accuses Flanders of being fascistic

The Council of Europe is very critical about the decision of the Flemish government not to appoint 3 French-speaking mayors in Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek. The Flemish government cites as the main reason that they have violated the Flemish linguistic legislation. The election papers had been sent in French by default although Dutch is the language that must be used in all official correspondence with local government unless French-speaking citizens request a French version and by law, Dutch should be the language to be used at city council meetings. Also the latter point was not something the three mayors excelled at.

The investigation of the situation of the mayors led by mr. Guégan, a Frenchman. Since French-speaking Belgian politicians have always been very active in lobbying for their cause, most certainly amongst French politicians. This raises questions about the neutrality of the mindset in which mr. Guégan has formed a view on a complex matter like this.

"Democratically elected mayors must be officially appointed," said Mr Guégan.
But are these mayors really elected democratically? They were elected in an electoral region that is unlawful according to the Belgian constitution, a fact that was confirmed by one of the highest legal counsils in this land. We are talking about the infamous "BHV" or Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

Kraainem, Linkebeek and Wezembeek are Flemish municipalities with special language rights, also known as language facilities for French-speaking citizens. Due to the fact that wealthy French-speaking people from Brussels flee the city, those Flemish villages have become villages with a majority of French-speaking voters. Those people refuse to integrate into the Flemish community, by refusing to learn just a tiny bit of Dutch and by voting for politicians that always want to dig deeper into Flanders to gain territory. All the traditional French-speaking political parties support an enlargement of bilingual Brussels by annexing these Flemish municipalities.

Let's say that a thirst for the territory of other people might suit the word "fascism" a bit more then. From the European Counsil it might not be obvious to see, but daily their media are full of disrespectful comments about the Flemish culture and language. They'd say that the Flemish people does not have a language at all but just some dialects that cannot compete with the lingua franca that French is supposed to be.

I hope my letter can convince you that there is no problem of french-speaking people being discriminated in Flanders. We want them to integrate into their community as well as we want that for all people that join us. But the image that the EU and its several institutions always show the world about the Flemish people is one of intolerance and hatred. While all we do is defend our own region. We do not even claim one municipality in the Walloon region. We want to have the Flemish laws respected in the Flemish region. We do not impose laws on Walloon ground. Then why are we fascists while we defend and they attack? Why can they claim our villages while we do not do that vice versa?

Jazeker en Jeronimo, bedankt voor de inbreng. :thumbsup:

Jantje

18 mei 2008 08:04

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DebianFox (Bericht 3430142)

Ik wil je niet beledigen en geen verwijten maken, maar ik verwoord enkel wat vele buitenlandse mensen zeggen over België.

Een paar opmerkingen die ik letterlijk gaan plaatsen en dus niet van mij persoonlijk komt, " Het leven in België moet toch rijkelijk en onbezorgd zijn, daar jullie Belgen zelfs jullie regering kunnen laten vallen over een discussie over wie waar op welke politici mag stemmen.
Jullie Belgen moeten toch een geweldige luxe hebben, daar jullie zich openlijk in heel de wereld kunnen voordoen als peuters die ruziën om een stukje speelgoed.
Jullie Belgen moeten over een ongelofelijk groot inkomen beschikken, daar jullie zelfs kunnen ruzie maken over het verdelen van een landje dat kleiner is dan de meeste provincies in de rest van de wereld.
Jullie Belgen moeten toch een rijke en goede economie hebben, daar jullie kunnen vechten om een paar miljard Euro, terwijl de rest van de wereld moet vechten om aan eten voor haar bevolking te geraken.
Jullie Belgen moeten toch echt verwaand zijn, daar jullie het zelfs durven om buurlanden te zeggen wat ze moeten aanleggen en water en spoorwegen, en daar zelfs geld voor op tafel kunnen leggen.
Jullie Belgen moeten wel beseffen dat wij jaloers zijn op jullie, want wij hebben niet de luxe om 16regeringen te onderhouden met slechts 10miljoen mensen zoals jullie, wij zijn al blij dat we 5 regeringen kunnen onderhouden met 70miljoen mensen.
Jullie Belgen zijn ongelofelijk, jullie spreken,lezen,geschrijven en begrijpen de meeste talen van heel de wereld en spreken bijna iedere bezoeker in zijn eigen taal aan en toch..... Maken jullie ruzie omdat andere geen moeite doen jullie taal te leren, maar jullie zelf schakelen direct over bij de eerste taalfout dat anderstaligen maken tegenover jullie taal. Wij hebben nietde luxe om andere talen te leren, wij moeten vechten om te overleven en zijn vaak al blij als we naast onze eigen taal ook nog Engels of Frans kennen."

Txiki

18 mei 2008 08:08

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jantje (Bericht 3430736)

Geef dan eens wat bronnen om deze uitspraken te staven. Gewoon schrijven dat "vele buitenlanders" dit denken, is niet voldoende. Dat is beroep doen op legitimerende derden.
Plus, het is niet omdat we het hier goed hebben dat incorrectheden genegeerd moeten worden.

azert

18 mei 2008 08:21

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Txiki (Bericht 3430739)

Je moet eens praten tegen buitenlanders die van buiten Europa komen en je niet tot het baskenland beperken.

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