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zonbron 5 april 2012 19:59

Het Westen en het Moslimbroederschap verbroederen
 
Het is reeds langer geweten, maar nu shuwt dit feit het daglicht niet meer. Vertegenwoordigers van het Moslimbroederschap op bezoek in het Witte Huis...

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AFP - Officials from Egypt's Brotherhood at White House

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The White House pointed out that Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain, and other US lawmakers and officials had also met with Brotherhood representatives in Egypt and elsewhere in recent months.

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Munglik 5 april 2012 20:00

Is toch nogal logisch nu dat ze in een regering zitten?

zonbron 8 april 2012 20:08

Is dat dan een vereiste ?

De VS, Israel noch het VK hebben hebben sinds mensenheugenis het steunen en opbouwen van controversiële groeperingen niet geschuwd. (Muhadjedin, Jihadists, al-Qaeda...)


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Video Zbigniew Brzezinski to Jihadists: Your cause is right!
Uploaded by ProMario on Jan 4, 2008

http://mprofaca.cro.net/news0000.html
The Global Intelligence News Portal
Zbigniew Brzezinski in late 70's, telling Afghan Jihadists: "Your cause is right. God is on your side."
Photo: Brzezinski and Tim Osman, aka Osama bin Laden, discuss the string of Jihads that Zbigniew never regrets
http://tinyurl.com/jbbze
"What is most important for world history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? Some Islamic hotheads or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" -- Le Nouvel Observateur's Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser, published 15-21 January 1998
De VS leidde zelfs het MEK op, dit zelfs op Amerikaans grondgebied (Las Vegas, Nevada) !

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CONFIRMED: Terrorist Organization Trained on US Soil by US Military

Sunday, April 8, 2012

Series of mainstream admissions of US & Israeli state-sponsored terrorism.
by Tony Cartalucci


April 8, 2012 - Ynetnews reported in their article, "US operated deep in Iran, trained assassins," that, "the New Yorker reported over the weekend that the US trained members of the Iranian opposition group Mujahideen-e-Khalq. According to previous reports, Israel has been cooperating with the group, which allegedly carried out hits on Iranian nuclear scientists." Ynetnews also reported that US officials doubt Iran is or will be developing nuclear weapons, as has been claimed to justify years of sanctions, covert subversion, terrorism, and unprovoked attacks by the West against Iran.


Image: Rudy Giuliani consorting with MEK's political wing leader Maryam Rajavi in Paris, France. Giuliani is best known for his role playing a strong supporter for the "War on Terror" and his incessant fear mongering verses "Islamic extremists." In real life, he coddles listed terrorist organizations in direct violation of US law and even lobbies for them.

It appears that not only Israel, but the US in tandem with Mossad have been training, arming, financing, harboring, and directing the US State Department-listed foreign terror organization (#29) Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK) since as early as 2005 where MEK terrorists were brought to Las Vegas, Nevada to train. The April 2012 New Yorker article, "Our Men in Iran?" by Seymour Hersh, elaborates in detail how the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) trained a listed terrorist organization on US soil before sending them back to Iran with weapons and money to carry out "anti-regime terrorist activities." MEK is suspected to be behind a rash of assassinations targeting Iranian scientists, as well as handling patsies in a string of international bombings US and Israeli officials attempted to pin on Iran.

And while MEK's representatives, including a growing lobby in Washington D.C. consisting of some of the most disingenuous supporters of the "War on Terror," including Rudy Giuliani, former US Marine Commandant General James Jones, Tom Ridge, and Lee Hamilton, claim MEK has renounced "terror," the entire purpose of training them, funding them, and getting them removed from the US State Department "Foreign Terrorist Organization" list is to allow them to carry out a wider campaign of violence against the Iranian people with even greater US support. In essence - to support terror on an unprecedented scale.

This is stated in US policy think-tank Brookings Institution's "Which Path to Persia?" report published in 2009 which stated (emphasis added):

"Perhaps the most prominent (and certainly the most controversial) opposition group that has attracted attention as a potential U.S. proxy is the NCRI (National Council of Resistance of Iran), the political movement established by the MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq). Critics believe the group to be undemocratic and unpopular, and indeed anti-American.

In contrast, the group’s champions contend that the movement’s long-standing opposition to the Iranian regime and record of successful attacks on and intelligence-gathering operations against the regime make it worthy of U.S. support. They also argue that the group is no longer anti-American and question the merit of earlier accusations. Raymond Tanter, one of the group’s supporters in the United States, contends that the MEK and the NCRI are allies for regime change in Tehran and also act as a useful proxy for gathering intelligence. The MEK’s greatest intelligence coup was the provision of intelligence in 2002 that led to the discovery of a secret site in Iran for enriching uranium.

Despite its defenders’ claims, the MEK remains on the U.S. government list of foreign terrorist organizations. In the 1970s, the group killed three U.S. officers and three civilian contractors in Iran. During the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, the group praised the decision to take America hostages and Elaine Sciolino reported that while group leaders publicly condemned the 9/11 attacks, within the group celebrations were widespread.

Undeniably, the group has conducted terrorist attacks—often excused by the MEK’s advocates because they are directed against the Iranian government. For example, in 1981, the group bombed the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, which was then the clerical leadership’s main political organization, killing an estimated 70 senior officials. More recently, the group has claimed credit for over a dozen mortar attacks, assassinations, and other assaults on Iranian civilian and military targets between 1998 and 2001. At the very least, to work more closely with the group (at least in an overt manner), Washington would need to remove it from the list of foreign terrorist organizations."

- page 117-118 of "Which Path to Persia?" Brookings Institution, 2009


Clearly the United States, its policy makers, and "elected representatives" are well aware that MEK was, and still is a terrorist organization, targeting not only military and political targets in Iran, but civilian targets as well. The indefensible excuse being used now, is that MEK's terrorist activities are only being directed at the people of Iran, not the West, therefore it is somehow justifiable.


Brookings Institution's 2009 Which Path to Persia? .pdf


MEK has carried out decades of brutal terrorist attacks, assassinations, and espionage against the Iranian government and its people, as well as targeting Americans including the attempted kidnapping of US Ambassador Douglas MacArthur II, the attempted assassination of USAF Brigadier General Harold Price, the successful assassination of Lieutenant Colonel Louis Lee Hawkins, the double assassinations of Colonel Paul Shaffer and Lieutenant Colonel Jack Turner, and the successful ambush and killing of American Rockwell International employees William Cottrell, Donald Smith, and Robert Krongard.

Admissions to the deaths of the Rockwell International employees can be found within a report written by former US State Department and Department of Defense official Lincoln Bloomfield Jr. on behalf of the lobbying firm Akin Gump in an attempt to dismiss concerns over MEK's violent past and how it connects to its current campaign of armed terror - a true testament to the depths of depravity from which Washington and London lobbyists operate.

MEK today is described by Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Ray Takeyh (who was attempting to defend MEK) as a "cult-like organization" with "totalitarian tendencies." While Takeyh fails to expand on what he meant by "cult-like" and "totalitarian," an interview with US State Department-run Radio Free Europe-Radio Liberty reported that a MEK Camp Ashraf escapee claimed the terrorist organization bans marriage, using radios, the Internet, and holds many members against their will with the threat of death if ever they are caught attempting to escape.

With a similar story being uncovered behind Al Qaeda's Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) which has been for decades backed, armed, trained, and directed by the CIA and MI6 under varying banners up to and including NATO's recent 2011 Libyan intervention - a pattern of using "terrorists" as both a convenient casus belli and as an effective proxy military force is becoming apparent. With LIFG commander Abdul Hakim Belhaj turning up in Syria carrying out a NATO-backed campaign to topple President Bashar al-Assad, it appears terrorist mercenaries in the employ of the West are at work there as well. Tales of "pro-democracy" "freedom fighters" are spun for anyone ignorant enough to believe them, while in reality the violence there is nothing more than the symptoms of neo-imperial machinations.

The War on Terror is a Fraud



The "War on Terror" is a fraud. For 10 years the West, and in particular America's armed forces have been lied to, misled, and bled dry literally while the American tax payers have been bled dry financially. Americans have resigned their personal freedoms to the "Patriot Act" and the increasingly perverse and invasive Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The corporate-financier think-tanks, like the Brookings Institution, who conspire to train, arm, and fund terrorist organizations we supposedly sent thousands of our sons to die fighting, and who's "omnipresent danger" we have surrendered our liberties to help combat, do so not for the greater good of the American people, but for the greater good of the corporate-financier sponsors that fund their work.


Image: Some of the corporate sponsors behind the Brookings Institution, who have openly conspired to fund, train, and arm terrorist organizations to carry out regime change in Iran. America is bled to death literally and financially to fight wars of conquest justified by claiming armies of omnipresent terrorists threaten the West's way of life, when this very army of terrorists is a creation of the corporate-financier oligarchs in Wall Street and London in the first place.

For it is the corporate-financier oligarchs who have made trillions fighting this unending war, who have had barriers such as individual liberty and state sovereignty torn down in their quest for more wealth and power, and who have overturned nation after nation only then to be rolled into their growing Wall Street-London collective. This is modern global empire - its moral imperative one entirely contrived to hide a glaring reality so outrageous even when it is admitted amongst the mainstream press, the general public has no idea, apparently, what to make of it.

It would be suggested, however, that the public identify these corporations, boycott them completely, and replace them with a new, local paradigm with a moral imperative derived from their own personal convictions - not ideology sold to them on the corporate-sponsored evening news.

Munglik 8 april 2012 20:11

Zouden we daarom geen gesprekken moeten hebben met de VS?

D'ARTOIS 8 april 2012 20:28

Niet noodzakelijkerwijs.


Laat ze wegrotten in hun eigen politieke stront. Er valt intern genoeg te doen binnen ieder land voor zich en (misschien ooit) Europa voor ons allen.

De VS is bepaald geen meerwaarde voor Europa.

Munglik 8 april 2012 20:31

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door D'ARTOIS (Bericht 6068703)
Niet noodzakelijkerwijs.


Laat ze wegrotten in hun eigen politieke stront. Er valt intern genoeg te doen binnen ieder land voor zich en (misschien ooit) Europa voor ons allen.

De VS is bepaald geen meerwaarde voor Europa.

VS is belangrijk voor onze economische banden + Of je het nu waardeert of niet staat ze wel voor een deel in voor een groot deel de bescherming van Europa.

Dixie 8 april 2012 21:15

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron (Bericht 6068673)
De VS, Israel noch het VK hebben hebben sinds mensenheugenis het steunen en opbouwen van controversiële groeperingen niet geschuwd. (Muhadjedin, Jihadists, al-Qaeda...)

AQ :lol::lol: maak jezelf toch niet zo belachelijk

Munglik 8 april 2012 21:16

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie (Bericht 6068788)
AQ :lol::lol: maak jezelf toch niet zo belachelijk

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The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan (December 1979 – February 1989).[71] The U.S. viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen, some of whom were radical Islamic militants, on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. The U.S. channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.

Dixie 8 april 2012 21:27

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Munglik (Bericht 6068790)
The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan (December 1979 – February 1989).[71] The U.S. viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen, some of whom were radical Islamic militants, on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. The U.S. channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.

nog ene die het verschil niet kent tss mujaheddin en AQ :lol::lol:

Munglik 8 april 2012 21:28

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie (Bericht 6068822)
nog ene die het verschil niet kent tss mujaheddin en AQ :lol::lol:

Ik heb het je al eens uitgelegd: AQ is ontstaan uit de moedjahedienen.

Dixie 8 april 2012 21:47

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Munglik (Bericht 6068825)
Ik heb het je al eens uitgelegd: AQ is ontstaan uit de moedjahedienen.

de Noordelijke Alliantie ook :roll:

D'ARTOIS 9 april 2012 00:11

@MUGLIK

Bescherming van Europa?
Tegen wat en wie?
Wat we nodig hebben is bescherming tegen de VS, onze toekomstige vijand.

Een Europa dat zichzelf niet beschermen kan is niet waard beschermd te worden.

Mahalingam 9 april 2012 11:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door D'ARTOIS (Bericht 6069197)
@MUGLIK

Bescherming van Europa?
Tegen wat en wie?
Wat we nodig hebben is bescherming tegen de VS, onze toekomstige vijand.

Een Europa dat zichzelf niet beschermen kan is niet waard beschermd te worden.

Daar heb je groot gelijk in. Al eerder heeft de VS Europa bijna geheel veroverd. Het was dat de Russen de andere helft veroverden want anders...
En uiteindelijk zijn ze weer vertrokken net zoals ze in Afghanistan nu gaan doen.

zonbron 24 april 2012 20:56

De "War On Terror" is voorbij...

National Journal - Can Obama Safely Embrace Islamists?

In an article in the current National Journal called "The Post Al Qaida Era," I write that the Obama administration is taking a new view of Islamist radicalism. The president realizes he has no choice but to cultivate the Muslim Brotherhood and other relatively "moderate" Islamist groups emerging as lead political players out of the Arab Spring in Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere. (The Muslim Brotherhood officially renounced violence decades ago, leading then-dissident radicals such as Ayman al-Zawahiri to join al Qaida.)

It is no longer the case, in other words, that every Islamist is seen as a potential accessory to terrorists. "The war on terror is over," one senior State Department official who works on Mideast issues told me. "Now that we have killed most of al Qaida, now that people have come to see legitimate means of expression, people who once might have gone into al Qaida see an opportunity for a legitimate Islamism."

The new approach is made possible by the double impact of the Arab Spring, which supplies a new means of empowerment to young Arabs other than violent jihad, and Obama's savagely successful military drone campaign against the worst of the violent jihadists, al Qaida.

Some of the smarter hardliners on the Right, like Reuel Marc Gerecht, are coming to realize that the Arab world may find another route to democracy--through Islamism. The question is, how will this play politically at a time when Obama's GOP rival, Mitt Romney, is painting the president as a weak accommodationist?

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k9 24 april 2012 22:11

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mahalingam (Bericht 6069567)
Daar heb je groot gelijk in. Al eerder heeft de VS Europa bijna geheel veroverd. Het was dat de Russen de andere helft veroverden want anders...

Want anders wat? De VS is niet enkel weggetrokken ze deden dat zelf nadat de russische dreiging weg was .

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En uiteindelijk zijn ze weer vertrokken net zoals ze in Afghanistan nu gaan doen.
Totaal onvergelijkbaar natuurlijk.

k9 24 april 2012 22:16

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Munglik (Bericht 6068709)
VS is belangrijk voor onze economische banden + Of je het nu waardeert of niet staat ze wel voor een deel in voor een groot deel de bescherming van Europa.

Onzin ten tijde van de koude oorlog misschien en enkel nadat de grotendeels europese navo strijdmachten de russen tegengehouden hadden.

Nu doet de VS niks meer voor europa qua bescherming .

zonbron 5 mei 2012 20:32

De Obama administratie en het Moslim Broederschap

The Blaze - Want to Know Just How Close the Muslim Brotherhood Is to the Obama Admin ?

Munglik 5 mei 2012 20:35

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door k9 (Bericht 6096407)
Onzin ten tijde van de koude oorlog misschien en enkel nadat de grotendeels europese navo strijdmachten de russen tegengehouden hadden.

Nu doet de VS niks meer voor europa qua bescherming .

We worden beschermd door de NAVO waar de VS de belangrijkste speler in is.

zonbron 11 mei 2012 03:46

Een belangrijke toespraak van Safwat Higazi van het Moslim Broederschap, kandidaat voor het presidentschap van Egypte.


Verenigde staten van Arabie, Jerusalem hoofdstad van Arabie, Gaza bevrijden etc...



MEMRI TV - Egyptian Cleric Safwat Higazi: Muslim Brotherhood Presidential Candidate Will Liberate Jerusalem

zonbron 11 mei 2012 04:21

Is deze memritv betrouwbaar ? Vertaling iemand ?

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3431.htm


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