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Ook de Koreanen zijn niet happig op brandstofcelwagens, zelfs de Hyundai Nexo niet.

In eigen land, Zuid-Korea...

Ondanks heel dikke federale premies, de FCEV véél meer dan een EV.
Die zijn onlangs nog verhoogd voor EV tot 18,2 milj Won, voor FCEV of de Nexo was die al torenhoog met 42,5 milj Won... en wordt daarmee de goedkoopste wagen, en ik neem nog de premiumversie, brutoprijs *72,2 milj Won daar gaat 42,5 milj vanaf maakt 29,7 mnW of 21.965 €, basisversie is dan 68,9 mnW - 42,5 mnW = 26,4 mnW = 19.536 €

Citaat:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/h...e-south-korea/

The Nexo will start at 68,900,000 South Korean won (KRW), which works out to around $64,075 at the present exchange rates for the Modern trim and range up to *72,200,000 KRW (around $67,150) for the Premium trim.

Citaat:

https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2...to-spur-demand

South Korea boosts EV subsidies to spur demand

Published date: 21 January 2020

South Korea's government is increasing consumer subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) as part of an investment programme aimed at speeding the rollout of zero-emissions cars, pointing to continued demand for cobalt, nickel and other metals used to make their batteries.

Consumers will be able to receive national government subsidies as high as 18.2mn won ($15,613) each to help pay for EV purchases in 2020, according to South Korea's environment ministry. Some local governments offer further incentives. Federal subsidies averaged about W10.9mn per EV in 2018 and have historically topped out at W14mn.

The new system will reward the most efficient cars by basing subsidy levels on driving range, rather than battery size. Incentives also will be sweetened for other types of EVs, including buses. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) will be eligible for subsidies as high as W42.5mn each.

Uiteraard is waterstof tanken véél duurder dan stroom... en dat weten de Koreanen ook...

Eerst de nettoprijzen na de federale premies afgetrokken te hebben, ik heb diverse bronnen gecheckt.

omgerekend in €:

1. Hyundai Nexo FCEV, vanaf ~19.536 € tot ~ 21.965 € (premium versie)
1.230 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies

2. Hyundai Kona EV, vanaf ~ 22.042 € (basisversie 64 kWh)
1.639 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies

3. Tesla model 3 Range plus, vanaf ~ 26.258 € (basisversie, uit VS ingevoerd)
3.939 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies

De verkoopcijfers 1e kwartaal 2020, zou een "enorm succes" voor de Nexo geweest zijn... ("world best voor FCEV") met 1.230 stuks toch nog derde achter Model 3 en Kona.

Dus de Z-Koreanen willen nu toch de Tesla mod 3 want de boten zijn daar aangekomen... en de enorme premie voor FCEV blijkt ook niet echt te helpen, en aangezien de verkoop verviervoudigd is YoY kunnen ze er ook genoeg van maken...

Citaat:

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/search/label/South%20Korea

Tesla Model 3 new ruler in Korea

The South Korean plugin market reached a new record in March, with 5.641 units, with the last three months doubling the YoY numbers, to 8.765 units, with the PEV share reaching a record 3,3% last month, pulling the YTD count to 2,3%.

This record performance is monthly due to the Tesla Model 3, that stole the Hyundai Kona EV thunder, being the new Best Selling EV, with an amazing 45% share, hitting 2.415 deliveries in March a new all time best for a foreign model, with the Californian being the first overseas model to lead this ranking.

Despite being removed from the throne, the Korean crossover can't really complain of its March performance, as it registered 1.639 units, its best result since July, with the Czech Hyundai factory now making units for Europe, Hyundai should have more space to allocate volume to its domestic market, so expect the Kona EV numbers to increase as the year progresses.

But the Tesla sports sedan is not the only foreigner to shine, the BMW 530e jumped to #5 last month, thanks to a record 210 units.

A final mention to the Hyundai Nexo Fuel Cell model, a model that is seeing its registrations jump four-fold this year, to 1.230 units, with last month score of 730 units being a new record, making it a success story in Korea, a unique event for a FCEV, allowing the technology to have 0,32% share of the total market, a world best for Fuel Cells.

Verleden volledig jaar 2019 was de Nexo FCEV goed voor 4k vind ik verder. De Kona EV was daar goed voor 14k.

- Nu eens gekeken naar Japan waar ze ook proberen de FCEV van de grond te krijgen ("2e generatie" Toyota Mirai...)

Cijfers YTD 2020 tot mei zelfs.

De Nissan Leaf (nu met groter batterijpack) veegt eigenlijk de mat met Toyota Prius PHEV. De normale Prius HEV zal wel xx-maal meer verkopen dan zijn plug-in versie.
En Teslas hebben ze ook al geleverd komt al op 5e plaats, naja om te beginnen...
Blijkbaar heeft de Nissan Leaf daar nog geen concurrentie bij de stekkerwagens...

Geen woordje over de FCEV, ev-sales doet dat nochtans als het de moeite is.

Citaat:

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/search/label/Japan

Japan May 2020

Nissan Leaf leads regressing market

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January 29, 2020
Markets Roundup - December 2019

I. Big Markets

Let's see how the Big EV Markets fared in 2019:
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Japan
* Nissan Leaf #1 - Despite lack of real competition, the Nissan hatch did its part and won another title;
* 44.000 units - What can i say, sales have (again) dropped and the PEV share has dropped to 0.8%. Disappointing.

South Korea
* Hyundai Kona EV #1 - A new year, a new win for the Crossover, scoring another all-time record (14.000 units). The Kona EV is the leader in Korea.
* 34.000 sales - A hot market, with doubling sales, and the market share now reaching 1.9%. A mention to the Hyundai Nexo Fuel Cell, that registered 4,000 units, leading to a 0.2% share, being the only place FCEVs started to become common(ish).

Even terugkijken waar die FCEV Mirai in eigen land blijft? naar link december 2019 dan maar.
Yup 673 FCEV voor het gans jaar 2019, Nexo' s zullen er zeker ook bij zijn.

Citaat:

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/01...mber-2019.html

Nissan Leaf wins in depressed market

Some 44.000 units were registered in the Japanese PEV market, down 17% regarding 2018, with the 2019 PEV share ending at 0.8% share, down 0.2% regarding 2018, and this year, the blame is not of a single model, but of all three big players, with the Top 3 models all down over 20% YoY.

Are Japanese just not into plugins?

It sure seems so, as even the Nissan Leaf, that was reinforced with a 62 kWh version, allowing long range trips, saw its sales dip 23% YoY.

At least the Nissan EV collected enough units to collect another Best Seller title, its 6th, after winning in 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016 and 2018.

As the remaining big players, the Toyota Prius PHEV kept its runner-up spot and the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV won again the Bronze medal.

Below the Big Three domestic players, the only other maker with a significant share is BMW, with 10%.

But next year, the German maker will have Tesla as strong candidate to steal its Best Selling Foreigner status, as the California-based has already become the Best Selling Foreigner in Q4, thanks to the landing of the Tesla Model 3.

Looking at Fuel Cells, 673 units were registered, down 2% YoY, making 0,01% of the overall market. Worryingly, it was the third consecutive drop for FCEVs, from the 2016 peak, with 1.055 units, to the current 673 units.

Will the 2nd Generation Toyota Mirai change things?

In 2020, expect the market to resume the growth path, with the Honda e and Mazda MX-30 hopefully stirring things up, while the Toyota RAV4 PHEV should surely jump into the podium.

The first full year of the Tesla Model 3 should also help the sales tally, although this market is usually very closed to foreign models.

Hyundai gaat zich nu concentreren op EV en gaat de FCEV eigenlijk on hold zetten...
Ook omdat Tesla met het model 3 de Koraanse markt overhoop smeet (+ 1500%)

Z-Korea of beter Seoul gaat alle diesels -openbare voertuigen- tegen 2025 uitdoven. (in metropool Seoul wonen bijna de helft van de 50 milj. Z-Koreanen...)

Citaat:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-effe...esel-ban-2025/

South Korea accelerates EV adoption with diesel ban for public sector fleets by 2025

Simon Alvarez Posted on August 7, 2020

Tesla may very well be hitting its momentum in South Korea at just the right time, as the country recently launched an assertive program to phase out the internal combustion engine. Dubbed as the “No Diesel” plan and led by the Seoul Metropolitan Government, the initiative aims to ban diesel-powered vehicles from being used in public sector fleets by 2025.

As noted in a Yonhap News Agency report, diesel-powered vehicles are deemed by South Korea as a key culprit of climate change, and it’s also responsible for fine dust air pollution. According to the media firm, diesel cars today comprise 64.6% of vehicles used by the municipal government, district offices, and city–affiliated pubic organizations. Diesel vehicles also remain in service in Seoul’s public transportation system.

So far, a total of 5,153 diesel-powered vehicles are currently in service in the city, and 3,586 of these are poised to be replaced by zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. These could come in the form of all-electric cars like the Tesla Model 3 and the Hyundai Kona Electric, or hydrogen cars like the Hyundai Nexo. Hwang Bo-yeon, chief of urban transportation policy, noted that Seoul is optimistic about its anti-diesel initiative.

“We hope the ‘No Diesel’ plan led by the Seoul Metropolitan Government will contribute to the creation of a proper ecosystem of consumption and production of environment-friendly cars,” Hwang said.

Apart from the active replacement of existing diesel fleets with cleaner alternatives, city authorities have further noted that Seoul will be cooperating with carmakers to speed up the development of zero-emissions fire trucks, ambulances, and cleaning vehicles. By doing this, the city would be able to retire its existing fleet, which mostly runs on diesel.

This is not the first time that South Korea has taken a strong stance against the internal combustion engine. Back in 2015, the city opted to replace its diesel buses with compressed natural gas variants. Plans are also underway to introduce about 4,000 electric and hydrogen buses by 2025, according to city officials. Furthermore, Seoul announced this year that it is sponsoring up to 700 electric taxis. And as noted in an Electrive report, models from foreign automakers like Tesla would be eligible for the program first time.

South Korea seems to be undergoing a strong shift towards sustainability and electrification, and vehicles that represent this change seem to be getting support from consumers. The Tesla Model 3, for example, saw an annual sales increase of more than 1,500% in the first half of 2020, and that’s in the middle of a pandemic. Industry insiders have also suggested that Hyundai, one of South Korea’s largest automakers, is now focusing more on all-electric vehicles over hydrogen, partly due to Tesla’s rapid rise in the country.

Citaat:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN24S2TE

Hydrogen champion Hyundai races to electric as Tesla takes off

SEOUL (Reuters) - Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS), an early backer of hydrogen cars, has watched the electric rise of Tesla, including on its home turf. Now’s it’s going on the offensive in the battery-powered market led by its U.S. rival.

Hyundai gaat 3 nieuwe EVs lanceren, zelfs onder nieuw merk IONIQ (zoals model Ioniq).
Een sedan IONIQ 6, en 2 SUVs 5 en 7.

Citaat:

https://electrek.co/2020/08/10/hyundai-ioniq-ev-brand/

Hyundai announced the launch of IONIQ as its own new electric brand and confirmed three new electric cars to populate the lineup within the next four years.

In. an announcement made yesterday, the Korean automaker said that it will launch IONIQ as a “dedicated to battery electric vehicle” brand:

Hyundai Motor Company today announced the launch of its new IONIQ brand dedicated to battery electric vehicles, opening a new chapter as a leader in the era of electrified mobility. Under the IONIQ brand, Hyundai will offer customer centric EV experiences centered on connected lifestyle solutions in line with Hyundai’s vision of ‘Progress for Humanity’.

Wonhong Cho, executive vice president and global chief marketing officer at Hyundai Motor Company, commented on the launch:

The IONIQ brand will change the paradigm of EV customer experience. With a new emphasis on connected living, we will offer electrified experiences integral to an eco-friendly lifestyle.

The new brand is going to use Hyundai’s Electric Global Modular Platform (E-GMP), which they claims will enable “fast charging capability and plentiful driving range.”

Hyundai IONIQ 5/6/7 electric vehicle lineup

Hyundai has released a few details about the first three electric vehicles to be released under the new brand.

They are going to use a simple numerical naming scheme with with the even numbers used for sedans and the odd numbers for SUVs:

Koreanen zijn echt niet happy dat Tesla nu hun eigen EV-markt overspoelt...

(en verdere bestellingen (5k) lopen nog, Tesla lijkt daar wel tot 5k per kwartaal te verkopen... dat is wslk meer dan 50% van de ganse plug-in markt..., ~4k in 1Q was al 45%)

Hoe ze het gaan lappen via premies weet ik niet...

Citaat:

Tesla could get cut out of Korea’s generous EV incentive after taking the bulk of it

Fred Lambert - Aug. 10th 2020

Tesla is running into some issues in Korea. After the automaker dominated the country’s EV market last quarter, the government is now considering cutting Tesla out by increasing the price threshold for its generous electric car incentives.

As we previously reported, the Korean market was really helpful to Tesla during a difficult second quarter amid the global pandemic.

Tesla delivered over 4,000 Model 3 vehicles in Korea during the second quarter, and the automaker reportedly still has a backlog of 4,000 to 5,000 Model 3 vehicles on order.

The strong demand is partly due to Tesla buyers having strong EV incentives that significantly reduce the price of the electric cars.

However, Tesla had so much demand that it reportedly accounted for almost half of the near $200 million in incentives the country issued during the first half of the year.

Now, they are now reportedly thinking about changing the regulations to avoid having Tesla buyers receiving the bulk of it (via the Korea Herald):

The Ministry of Environment is poised to revise the current calculation system for EV subsidies by October after discussions with municipalities, related experts and concerning associations. High-end EV brands are expected to be removed after consultations, as Tesla alone devoured 43% of total 209.2 billion won ($176 million) of subsidies in the first half of this year.

Today, the ministry will hold a meeting with 11 automakers, including the country’s Kia and Hyundai, to discuss the issue.

Electrek’s Take

Interestingly, Tesla buyers were actually left out of the program early due to a weird rule regarding charging time that unfairly put Tesla to a disadvantage.

They later changed the rule, giving Tesla buyers access to the incentives, but now it looks like they might take it back.

To be fair, it’s not uncommon for EV incentives to come with a price threshold, but they are normally set in place to avoid giving subsidies to people buying luxury vehicles.

In this case, it looks like it would be triggered by Tesla’s success, and if they want to avoid giving too much incentives to Tesla, they would have to set the threshold especially to exclude Tesla’s vehicle lineup.

We will have to wait and see, but it is not looking good. Kia and Hyundai have a lot of power in Korea and they don’t have luxury EVs yet, and therefore, they have an incentive to keep the threshold as low as possible.
https://electrek.co/2020/08/10/tesla...-ev-incentive/

De basis model 3 is netto "maar" €4,2k duurder dan de Kona 64 kWh

Citaat:

Eerst de nettoprijzen na de (VETTE) federale premies afgetrokken te hebben, ik heb diverse bronnen gecheckt.

omgerekend in €:

1. Hyundai Nexo FCEV, vanaf ~19.536 € tot ~ 21.965 € (premium versie)
1.230 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies

2. Hyundai Kona EV, vanaf ~ 22.042 € (basisversie 64 kWh)
1.639 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies

3. Tesla model 3 Range plus, vanaf ~ 26.258 € (basisversie, uit VS ingevoerd)
3.939 verkocht jan-maart 2020 alle versies, neen enkel model 3.

Cijfers juli voor S-Korea zijn er nu ook, enkel het Tesla model 3 staat voor 31 % van de stekkerwagenverkoop YTD 2020.

Citaat:

Tesla Model 3 leads in Korea

The South Korean plugin market is showing positive numbers (+7% YoY), with over 22.000 units, with the PEV share now at 2%.

This good performance is mostly due to the Tesla Model 3, that stole the Hyundai Kona EV leadership last March, being the new Best Selling EV from then on, although since then its market share has decreased from 45% in March, to the current 31%.

Besides being removed from the throne, the Korean crossover saw its sales drop 45% YoY, with the Czech Hyundai factory now making units for Europe, Hyundai now has more space to allocate volume to its domestic market, so if the Kona EV numbers do not increase as the year progresses, it will mean that Hyundai has a demand problem. At home.
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http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/08...july-2020.html

Tesla stuurt dit 3e kwartaal zelfs 2 boten naar Korea, blijkbaar loont het zich.