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Musketo 29 augustus 2005 22:40

Paus weert homoseksuelen uit klootjesdrogerijen
 
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[size=5]Vatican plan to block gay priests[/size]

[size=2]Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday August 28, 2005
The Observer

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[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][size=2]The new Pope faces his first controversy over the direction of the Catholic church after it was revealed that the Vatican has drawn up a religious instruction preventing gay men from being priests.

The controversial document, produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries, the body overseeing the church's training of the priesthood, is being scrutinised by Benedict XVI.

It been suggested Rome would publish the instruction earlier this month, but it dropped the plan out of concern that such a move might tarnish his visit to his home city of Cologne last week.

The document expresses the church's belief that gay men should no longer be allowed to enter seminaries to study for the priesthood. Currently, as all priests take a vow of celibacy, their sexual orientation has not been considered a pressing concern.

Vatican-watchers believe the Pope harbours doubts about whether the church should publish the document, which has already been the subject of three drafts.

'Inevitably, such a directive will be met with opposition,' said John Haldane, professor of moral philosophy at the University of St Andrews.

The instruction tries to dampen down the controversy by eschewing a moral line, arguing instead that the presence of homosexuals in seminaries is 'unfair' to both gay and heterosexual priests by subjecting the former to temptation.

'It will be written in a very pastoral mode,' Haldane said. 'It will not be an attack on the gay lifestyle. It will not say "homosexuality is immoral". But it will suggest that admitting gay men into the priesthood places a burden both on those who are homosexual and those they are working alongside who are not.'

The instruction was drawn up as part of the Vatican's response to the sexual abuse scandal that surfaced in the American church three years ago, which has seen hundreds of priests launch lawsuits against superiors whom they accuse of abusing them.

As the former head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican body charged with looking into the abuse claims, Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was made acutely aware of the scale of the problem. He is thought to have made clearing up the scandal one of the key goals of his papacy.

Next month the Vatican will send investigators to the US to gauge the scale of the scandal. More than 100 bishops and seminary staff will visit 220 campuses. They will review documents provided by the schools and seminaries and may interview teachers, students and alumni, then report directly to the Vatican, which could choose to issue the instruction barring homosexuals from entering the priesthood as part of its response.

Studies show that a significant proportion of men who enter seminaries to train for the priesthood are gay. Any move signalling that homosexuals will not be allowed to join the seminaries, even one couched in the arcane language of the Vatican, could reduce the number of recruits to the priesthood.

In a further sign of the instruction's deeply controversial nature, it is expected the document would be signed by a cardinal rather than the Pope himself if the Vatican decides to publish it. The Vatican has been carefully trying to soften Benedict's image since he was elected earlier this year. In recent weeks he has reached out to the Jewish and Muslim communities as well as young Catholics during the church's World Youth Day. The initiatives have been seen as a significant PR success. A decision to publish an instruction that would underscore his religious conservatism would be detrimental to Benedict's standing as he enjoys his 'honeymoon period' on the world stage.[/size][/font]


Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France![edit]
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[size=5]Vatican plan to block gay priests[/size]

[size=2]Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday August 28, 2005
The Observer

[/size][/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][size=2]The new Pope faces his first controversy over the direction of the Catholic church after it was revealed that the Vatican has drawn up a religious instruction preventing gay men from being priests.

The controversial document, produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries, the body overseeing the church's training of the priesthood, is being scrutinised by Benedict XVI.

It been suggested Rome would publish the instruction earlier this month, but it dropped the plan out of concern that such a move might tarnish his visit to his home city of Cologne last week.

The document expresses the church's belief that gay men should no longer be allowed to enter seminaries to study for the priesthood. Currently, as all priests take a vow of celibacy, their sexual orientation has not been considered a pressing concern.

Vatican-watchers believe the Pope harbours doubts about whether the church should publish the document, which has already been the subject of three drafts.

'Inevitably, such a directive will be met with opposition,' said John Haldane, professor of moral philosophy at the University of St Andrews.

The instruction tries to dampen down the controversy by eschewing a moral line, arguing instead that the presence of homosexuals in seminaries is 'unfair' to both gay and heterosexual priests by subjecting the former to temptation.

'It will be written in a very pastoral mode,' Haldane said. 'It will not be an attack on the gay lifestyle. It will not say "homosexuality is immoral". But it will suggest that admitting gay men into the priesthood places a burden both on those who are homosexual and those they are working alongside who are not.'

The instruction was drawn up as part of the Vatican's response to the sexual abuse scandal that surfaced in the American church three years ago, which has seen hundreds of priests launch lawsuits against superiors whom they accuse of abusing them.

As the former head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican body charged with looking into the abuse claims, Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was made acutely aware of the scale of the problem. He is thought to have made clearing up the scandal one of the key goals of his papacy.

Next month the Vatican will send investigators to the US to gauge the scale of the scandal. More than 100 bishops and seminary staff will visit 220 campuses. They will review documents provided by the schools and seminaries and may interview teachers, students and alumni, then report directly to the Vatican, which could choose to issue the instruction barring homosexuals from entering the priesthood as part of its response.

Studies show that a significant proportion of men who enter seminaries to train for the priesthood are gay. Any move signalling that homosexuals will not be allowed to join the seminaries, even one couched in the arcane language of the Vatican, could reduce the number of recruits to the priesthood.

In a further sign of the instruction's deeply controversial nature, it is expected the document would be signed by a cardinal rather than the Pope himself if the Vatican decides to publish it. The Vatican has been carefully trying to soften Benedict's image since he was elected earlier this year. In recent weeks he has reached out to the Jewish and Muslim communities as well as young Catholics during the church's World Youth Day. The initiatives have been seen as a significant PR success. A decision to publish an instruction that would underscore his religious conservatism would be detrimental to Benedict's standing as he enjoys his 'honeymoon period' on the world stage.[/size][/font]


Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France![/size]

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door The Observer

[font=Arial][size=5]Vatican plan to block gay priests[/size][/font]

[size=2]Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday August 28, 2005
The Observer

[/size][/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][size=2]The new Pope faces his first controversy over the direction of the Catholic church after it was revealed that the Vatican has drawn up a religious instruction preventing gay men from being priests.

The controversial document, produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries, the body overseeing the church's training of the priesthood, is being scrutinised by Benedict XVI.

It been suggested Rome would publish the instruction earlier this month, but it dropped the plan out of concern that such a move might tarnish his visit to his home city of Cologne last week.

The document expresses the church's belief that gay men should no longer be allowed to enter seminaries to study for the priesthood. Currently, as all priests take a vow of celibacy, their sexual orientation has not been considered a pressing concern.

Vatican-watchers believe the Pope harbours doubts about whether the church should publish the document, which has already been the subject of three drafts.

'Inevitably, such a directive will be met with opposition,' said John Haldane, professor of moral philosophy at the University of St Andrews.

The instruction tries to dampen down the controversy by eschewing a moral line, arguing instead that the presence of homosexuals in seminaries is 'unfair' to both gay and heterosexual priests by subjecting the former to temptation.

'It will be written in a very pastoral mode,' Haldane said. 'It will not be an attack on the gay lifestyle. It will not say "homosexuality is immoral". But it will suggest that admitting gay men into the priesthood places a burden both on those who are homosexual and those they are working alongside who are not.'

The instruction was drawn up as part of the Vatican's response to the sexual abuse scandal that surfaced in the American church three years ago, which has seen hundreds of priests launch lawsuits against superiors whom they accuse of abusing them.

As the former head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican body charged with looking into the abuse claims, Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was made acutely aware of the scale of the problem. He is thought to have made clearing up the scandal one of the key goals of his papacy.

Next month the Vatican will send investigators to the US to gauge the scale of the scandal. More than 100 bishops and seminary staff will visit 220 campuses. They will review documents provided by the schools and seminaries and may interview teachers, students and alumni, then report directly to the Vatican, which could choose to issue the instruction barring homosexuals from entering the priesthood as part of its response.

Studies show that a significant proportion of men who enter seminaries to train for the priesthood are gay. Any move signalling that homosexuals will not be allowed to join the seminaries, even one couched in the arcane language of the Vatican, could reduce the number of recruits to the priesthood.

In a further sign of the instruction's deeply controversial nature, it is expected the document would be signed by a cardinal rather than the Pope himself if the Vatican decides to publish it. The Vatican has been carefully trying to soften Benedict's image since he was elected earlier this year. In recent weeks he has reached out to the Jewish and Muslim communities as well as young Catholics during the church's World Youth Day. The initiatives have been seen as a significant PR success. A decision to publish an instruction that would underscore his religious conservatism would be detrimental to Benedict's standing as he enjoys his 'honeymoon period' on the world stage.[/size][/font]


Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France![/size]


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Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door The Observer

[font=Arial][size=5]Vatican plan to block gay priests[/size][/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][size=2]Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday August 28, 2005
The Observer


[/size][/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][size=2]The new Pope faces his first controversy over the direction of the Catholic church after it was revealed that the Vatican has drawn up a religious instruction preventing gay men from being priests.

The controversial document, produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries, the body overseeing the church's training of the priesthood, is being scrutinised by Benedict XVI.

It been suggested Rome would publish the instruction earlier this month, but it dropped the plan out of concern that such a move might tarnish his visit to his home city of Cologne last week.

The document expresses the church's belief that gay men should no longer be allowed to enter seminaries to study for the priesthood. Currently, as all priests take a vow of celibacy, their sexual orientation has not been considered a pressing concern.

Vatican-watchers believe the Pope harbours doubts about whether the church should publish the document, which has already been the subject of three drafts.

'Inevitably, such a directive will be met with opposition,' said John Haldane, professor of moral philosophy at the University of St Andrews.

The instruction tries to dampen down the controversy by eschewing a moral line, arguing instead that the presence of homosexuals in seminaries is 'unfair' to both gay and heterosexual priests by subjecting the former to temptation.

'It will be written in a very pastoral mode,' Haldane said. 'It will not be an attack on the gay lifestyle. It will not say "homosexuality is immoral". But it will suggest that admitting gay men into the priesthood places a burden both on those who are homosexual and those they are working alongside who are not.'

The instruction was drawn up as part of the Vatican's response to the sexual abuse scandal that surfaced in the American church three years ago, which has seen hundreds of priests launch lawsuits against superiors whom they accuse of abusing them.

As the former head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican body charged with looking into the abuse claims, Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was made acutely aware of the scale of the problem. He is thought to have made clearing up the scandal one of the key goals of his papacy.

Next month the Vatican will send investigators to the US to gauge the scale of the scandal. More than 100 bishops and seminary staff will visit 220 campuses. They will review documents provided by the schools and seminaries and may interview teachers, students and alumni, then report directly to the Vatican, which could choose to issue the instruction barring homosexuals from entering the priesthood as part of its response.

Studies show that a significant proportion of men who enter seminaries to train for the priesthood are gay. Any move signalling that homosexuals will not be allowed to join the seminaries, even one couched in the arcane language of the Vatican, could reduce the number of recruits to the priesthood.

In a further sign of the instruction's deeply controversial nature, it is expected the document would be signed by a cardinal rather than the Pope himself if the Vatican decides to publish it. The Vatican has been carefully trying to soften Benedict's image since he was elected earlier this year. In recent weeks he has reached out to the Jewish and Muslim communities as well as young Catholics during the church's World Youth Day. The initiatives have been seen as a significant PR success. A decision to publish an instruction that would underscore his religious conservatism would be detrimental to Benedict's standing as he enjoys his 'honeymoon period' on the world stage.[/size][/font]


Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France![/size]
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Apocalyps 29 augustus 2005 23:46

Het vieze oude gedementeerde mannetjes gesticht in Rome heeft een oplossing voor hun voorliefde van pijpende kleuters blijkbaar gevonden: "Zoek een zondebok, een minderheidsgroep.... Homoseksuelen halleluja!!!" . Voila probleem opgelost!

Towelie030981 30 augustus 2005 00:58

Waarom lost men dit niet op met onthouding zoals gepredikt wordt in aids-getroffen Afrikaanse landen.

Phrea|K 3 september 2005 16:12

Goede zaak, dat weren van flikkers uit de Kerk. Wat moet je in godsnaam gefret hebben om als homoseksueel te geloven in een godsdienst die jouw seksuele geaardheid als een zonde ziet? Geen genade voor zulke onozelaars!

Breydel 3 september 2005 16:43

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Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France!

Homosexuele perverten dienen idd van elke maatschappelijke functies ontzegt te worden.

Musketo 3 september 2005 16:45

Seg Breydel, gij snapt echt n�*ks blijkaar eh?

Apocalyps 3 september 2005 17:14

De oplossing voor perverte pedoseksuele priesters, bisschoppen kardinalen en pausen: Klik

panzer 3 september 2005 17:46

Mijn visie: Een priester moet het celibaat respecteren. Als hij dat doet, heeft hij er volgens mij geen belang bij zijn homo-sexualiteit te uiten.

Wanneer een priester zich dus uit als zijnde Homo, heeft hij daar volgens mij een reden voor, en heeft hij waarschijnlijk sexuele betrekkingen gehad: reden genoeg om hem buiten te gooien. Net zoals heterofiele priesters die sexuele betrekkingen hebben gehad.

Dit moet echter wel duidelijk aangetoont worden. Met een homofiele priester die nooit sexuele betrekkingen van eender welke aard heeft gehad, heb ik geen enkel probleem. Maar de kans dat hij zijn homofiele aard dan bekend maakt lijkt me dan ook zeer klein.

labyrinth 3 september 2005 22:04

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Waarom lost men dit niet op met onthouding zoals gepredikt wordt in aids-getroffen Afrikaanse landen.

Juist..... dat hij gewoon tegen zijn personeel zegt : ' wees steeds kuis in uw gemoed en doe nooit wat onkuisheid is '.

puud 4 september 2005 10:26

Musketo, wat zijn een klootjesdrogerijen ?

Musketo 4 september 2005 11:56

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Musketo, wat zijn een klootjesdrogerijen ?

Euh... Ik ben de juiste term vergeten maar het komt neer op 'een gebouw waar priesters/paters opgeleid worden'.

panzer 4 september 2005 12:51

Een seminarie??

Musketo 4 september 2005 13:54

Juist, dat dus.

carlgustaaf 4 september 2005 14:02

geen zorgen meer
 
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Waarom lost men dit niet op met onthouding zoals gepredikt wordt in aids-getroffen Afrikaanse landen.

Het simpelste zou zijn dat priesters zich zouden laten kastreren, dan zijn ze zeker om geen enkele overtreding te begaan, passieve sodomie uitgelaten natuurlijk.Paus moet het voorbeeld geven.Voor of tegen?

panzer 4 september 2005 15:24

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Het simpelste zou zijn dat priesters zich zouden laten kastreren, dan zijn ze zeker om geen enkele overtreding te begaan, passieve sodomie uitgelaten natuurlijk.Paus moet het voorbeeld geven.Voor of tegen?

Tegen, het gaat hem er net om dat je je kunt bewingen, en de regel niet wil overtreden. Zonder geslachtsorganen kan een priester trouwens nog steeds sexueel actief zijn, zij het dan zonder penetratie.

Los van bovenstaande argumentatie vind ik het ook een behoorlijk ziek idee.

Jampie 4 september 2005 15:27

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Homosexuele perverten dienen idd van elke maatschappelijke functies ontzegt te worden.

Daar heb je gelijk in, net zoals hetereoseksuele perverten, biseksuele perverten. Kortom, alle perverten.;-)

Jampie 4 september 2005 15:28

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Jaja, de hooggeëerde intellectuelen in Rome zitten nooit stil. Ze hebben zowaar de oorzaak van de Amerikaanse pedofilieschandalen ontdekt! Homoseksualiteit. Hoe konden we dit over het hoofd zien?
Ik feliciteer de Zeer Geleerde Paus, Benedictus de Zestiende, van ganser harte met zijn beslissing. Niet alleen zullen er na dit besluit nóoit meer pedofilieschandalen voortspruiten uit het katholiek instituut maar tevens zal het aantal priesterroepingen nog verder teruglopen! Hoera! Vive le Pape! Vive les catholiques! Vive l'Europe, vive la France!

Hij geeft dan toch toe dat zijn geestelijken vooral uit homo's bestaan.;-)

carlgustaaf 4 september 2005 23:22

braakneigingen
 
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Tegen, het gaat hem er net om dat je je kunt bewingen, en de regel niet wil overtreden. Zonder geslachtsorganen kan een priester trouwens nog steeds sexueel actief zijn, zij het dan zonder penetratie.

Los van bovenstaande argumentatie vind ik het ook een behoorlijk ziek idee.

Ja , een heel fijn ideetje is het niet, maar het hele onderwerp is eigenlijk ziekelijk:homoseksuele priesters, pedofielen en nog meer moois...:x om te kotsen.En zogezegd moeten die mensen het goede voorbeeld geven!


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