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sodoirt 23 maart 2007 13:36

Iraanse piraten kapen Brits navy ship
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/....uk/index.html

Misschien zal Ahmadinedjad wel een inreis visum krijgen maar geen exit visum van de USA. Ze mogen die vent gerust ook een paar jaar in Guantanamo houden!
UK: 15 Marines seized by Iran

POSTED: 8:32 a.m. EDT, March 23, 2007


LONDON, England (CNN) -- Fifteen British Marines on patrol in the Persian Gulf have been "seized" by the Iranian navy, the British Ministry of Defense said.
The Marines were "engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters," the ministry said in a statement on Friday.
A U.S. military official who monitors the region told CNN the Marines stopped an Iranian ship suspected of smuggling automobiles, and boarded it for an inspection.
The British ministry's statement said the Marines "completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters."
The statement added, "We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and on the instructions of the Foreign Secretary, the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office. The British Government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."
There was no immediate word from Tehran on the incident.
The British Ministry of Defense said it was aware of an incident and investigating.
The British Foreign Office said Iran's ambassador in London had been summoned and Britain was demanding their immediate safe release, Reuters reported.
An Iraqi fisherman told the news agency said the incident took place early on Friday in the Shatt al-Arab waterway that marks the southern stretch of Iraq's border with Iran. His account could not be immediately confirmed.

Lof der Zotheid 23 maart 2007 13:43

Ze zullen waarschijnlijk wel een millimeter in de buurt van Iraanse wateren zijn gekomen...

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 13:49

:lol: :lol: en nu ZONDER ZIONISTISCHE propaganda :
ze hebben blijkbaar reeds toegegeven dat ze een foutje gemaakt hebben en in iraanse wateren waren.


UK sailors 'admit Iran incursion'


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[SIZE=2]Iranian television has broadcast statements by detained British sailors apparently admitting entering Iranian territorial waters illegally. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Two of the eight sailors being held said they crossed the border from Iraq by accident, according to an Arabic translation played over their words. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]An Iranian military spokesman said the sailors' fate had not been decided. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]There have been a series of conflicting reports about whether the men will be put on trial or freed. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Positive signs [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]But the BBC's Tehran correspondent, Jim Muir, says there are now indications that the Iranian authorities will release the men. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]THE SHATT AL-ARAB [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]120 miles of tidal waterway [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Formed by Tigris and Euphrates rivers [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Subject to 1639 Persian-Ottoman treaty [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Southern stretch forms border between Iraq and Iran [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]River is vital trade route for both countries [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Control of river one of disputes causing Iran-Iraq war in 1980 [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]An adviser to President Mohammad Khatami has said they could be freed if there is an official apology from the UK government. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Earlier an Iranian armed forces spokesman, Gen Ali Reza Afshar, said the sailors' fate would only be decided after their interrogation, which was under way. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The Iranian student news agency, ISNA, quoted Gen Afshar as saying the men would be freed if their motives were found to be innocent, Reuters reported. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]UK foreign ministry sources described the latest official statements from Iran as "pretty encouraging". [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The three UK naval craft and their crews were seized on Monday in the Shatt al-Arab waterway near the Iraqi border. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A UK Ministry of Defence spokesman said the boats were being used to train the Iraqi river patrol service, and may have strayed across the maritime border by mistake.:oops: :roll: [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Embassy concern [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The UK embassy in Tehran is pressing for access to the eight men, and has expressed concern that they were shown on television wearing blindfolds, making apologies for entering Iranian territorial waters. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] Our team of three boats and eight crew entered Iranian waters by mistake [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Thomas Hawkins, detained Royal Navy crewman [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Iran's Arabic-language al-Alam satellite channel showed footage of the eight men, dressed in military fatigues, sitting on sofas and armchairs in what appeared to be an office. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Al-Alam broadcast footage of the two men reading statements, standing next to a river. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"My name is Thomas Hawkins from the British Royal Navy, number D04428," said the first officer. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"I was arrested yesterday [Monday] by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards after we entered Iranian territorial waters," he said, according to the Arabic voice-over. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Our team of three boats and eight crew entered Iranian waters by mistake. We apologise because this was a big mistake," he said. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Power play [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The second officer, who introduced himself as "Chief Petty Officer Robert Webster", said the group had "accidentally entered Iranian waters". [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]The Shatt al-Arab waterway divides Iran and Iraq[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Our correspondent says that in the context of Iran's calls for an apology, the fact that two of the Britons were filmed admitting they had made a mistake, could be seen as a hopeful sign rather than an ominous one. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]He says Iran is a country of multiple power centres, which is why there is confusion over what is going to happen to the eight men. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]He says it is likely that behind the scenes there are dissenting hardline voices who want at least to spin the affair out and demonstrate Iranian resolve and sovereignty to the British. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The incident comes at a time of strained relations between the UK and Iran. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Iranian hardliners have staged a series of angry demonstrations outside the British embassy in Tehran in recent weeks to protest at the occupation of Iraq. Britain has also been strongly criticised too for its role in helping draft a tough resolution on Iran at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna last week. [/SIZE]

john bell hood 23 maart 2007 14:02

Het wordt tijd dat Iran militair en politiek onthoofd wordt.

Raven 23 maart 2007 14:03

hmmm.. zou dat met of zonder het pistool tegen het hoofd verklaard zijn?

sodoirt 23 maart 2007 14:05

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven (Bericht 2550110)
hmmm.. zou dat met of zonder het pistool tegen het hoofd verklaard zijn?

Als ik zie wie dat postte dan denk ik eerder aan een galg.

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 14:08

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven (Bericht 2550110)
hmmm.. zou dat met of zonder het pistool tegen het hoofd verklaard zijn?

Dacht ik eerst ook aan, maar dan zijn ze wel ERG snel door de knieën gegaan, de meeste soldaten zijn niet zo vlug murw.

Bovendien heb je ook nog dit citaat :"A UK Ministry of Defence spokesman said the boats were being used to train the Iraqi river patrol service, and may have strayed across the maritime border by mistake."

en die zit geenzins gevangen he

jurgen79 23 maart 2007 14:09

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door john bell hood (Bericht 2550108)
Het wordt tijd dat Iran militair en politiek onthoofd wordt.

Eerder tijd dat ze die Amerikanen hun kop eraf snijden, die gasten zijn daar voor niks nodig.

sodoirt 23 maart 2007 14:11

Hier dan zonder de invloed van de Ahminedjad genocidale invloed en zijn "broeders"

UK sailors captured at gunpoint
Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says. The men were seized at 1030 local time when they boarded a boat in the Gulf, off the coast of Iraq, which they suspected was smuggling cars.
The Royal Navy said it was doing everything it could to secure the release of the sailors and marines who are based on HMS Cornwall.
They were said to be carrying out a routine patrol in Iraqi waters.


The Ministry of Defence said: "The group boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.
"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level.
"The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."
It is understood the men being held are safe and well.
Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett has summoned the Iranian ambassador in London to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, in an attempt to get the sailors and marines released as quickly as possible.




In a statement, leader of the Liberal Democrats, Sir Menzies Campbell, also called for their immediate release.
"Whatever the rights and wrongs of military action, British forces in Iraq are now there with the authority of a UN security council resolution... and the Iranian government should be left in no doubt of the serious implications of their action," he said.
In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.
The UK claimed the men were "forcibly escorted" into Iranian territorial waters.

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 14:15

:lol: :lol:
mijn bron is de BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3828377.stm


Zionisten en leugens he 8-)

sodoirt 23 maart 2007 14:20

toen waren die leugens van Ahminedjad en zijn negationistische trawanten nog niet doorprikt.
Hier zijn we al 12 uur later:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6484279.stm

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 14:36

moet een correctie aanbrengen om misverstanden te vermijden:
mijn gepost bericht gaat over de EERSTE keer dat de britten dat deden.
enkele jaren reeds geleden.

Het toont dus alleen aan dat het niet de eerste keer is dat ze de soevereinitiet van Iraanse wateren niet respecteren. maar nu komen ze wel af met een "nieuwe reden" :lol:

Ze zijn al eerder betrapt, dus kunnen ze het zich blijkbaar geen tweede keer veroorloven.

longhorn 23 maart 2007 14:38

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bruut geweld (Bericht 2550138)
:lol: :lol:
mijn bron is de BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3828377.stm


Zionisten en leugens he 8-)

Islamieten en geweld, he. Ter uwer ere gaat er vandaag weer een koran door de sas.

sodoirt 23 maart 2007 14:39

zoals reeds gemeld en NU bevestigd "toen waren die leugens van Ahminedjad en zijn negationistische trawanten nog niet doorprikt"

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 14:43

:"A UK Ministry of Defence spokesman said the boats were being used to train the Iraqi river patrol service, and may have strayed across the maritime border by mistake."

8-) het enige dat bevestigd werd, is dat ze wel degelijk reeds in de fout zijn gegaan.

ministe van agitatie 23 maart 2007 14:52

In een leesbare versie ziet dat er zo uit:


UK sailors 'admit Iran incursion'


Iranian TV has shown footage of detainees

Iranian television has broadcast statements by detained British sailors apparently admitting entering Iranian territorial waters illegally.
Two of the eight sailors being held said they crossed the border from Iraq by accident, according to an Arabic translation played over their words.
An Iranian military spokesman said the sailors' fate had not been decided.
There have been a series of conflicting reports about whether the men will be put on trial or freed.

Positive signs

But the BBC's Tehran correspondent, Jim Muir, says there are now indications that the Iranian authorities will release the men.

THE SHATT AL-ARAB

120 miles of tidal waterway
Formed by Tigris and Euphrates rivers
Subject to 1639 Persian-Ottoman treaty
Southern stretch forms border between Iraq and Iran
River is vital trade route for both countries
Control of river one of disputes causing Iran-Iraq war in 1980

An adviser to President Mohammad Khatami has said they could be freed if there is an official apology from the UK government.
Earlier an Iranian armed forces spokesman, Gen Ali Reza Afshar, said the sailors' fate would only be decided after their interrogation, which was under way.
The Iranian student news agency, ISNA, quoted Gen Afshar as saying the men would be freed if their motives were found to be innocent, Reuters reported.
UK foreign ministry sources described the latest official statements from Iran as "pretty encouraging".
The three UK naval craft and their crews were seized on Monday in the Shatt al-Arab waterway near the Iraqi border.
A UK Ministry of Defence spokesman said the boats were being used to train the Iraqi river patrol service, and may have strayed across the maritime border by mistake.

Embassy concern
The UK embassy in Tehran is pressing for access to the eight men, and has expressed concern that they were shown on television wearing blindfolds, making apologies for entering Iranian territorial waters.
Our team of three boats and eight crew entered Iranian waters by mistake
Thomas Hawkins, detained Royal Navy crewman
Iran's Arabic-language al-Alam satellite channel showed footage of the eight men, dressed in military fatigues, sitting on sofas and armchairs in what appeared to be an office.
Al-Alam broadcast footage of the two men reading statements, standing next to a river.
"My name is Thomas Hawkins from the British Royal Navy, number D04428," said the first officer.
"I was arrested yesterday [Monday] by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards after we entered Iranian territorial waters," he said, according to the Arabic voice-over.
"Our team of three boats and eight crew entered Iranian waters by mistake. We apologise because this was a big mistake," he said.
Power play
The second officer, who introduced himself as "Chief Petty Officer Robert Webster", said the group had "accidentally entered Iranian waters".

The Shatt al-Arab waterway divides Iran and Iraq
Our correspondent says that in the context of Iran's calls for an apology, the fact that two of the Britons were filmed admitting they had made a mistake, could be seen as a hopeful sign rather than an ominous one.

He says Iran is a country of multiple power centres, which is why there is confusion over what is going to happen to the eight men.
He says it is likely that behind the scenes there are dissenting hardline voices who want at least to spin the affair out and demonstrate Iranian resolve and sovereignty to the British.
The incident comes at a time of strained relations between the UK and Iran.
Iranian hardliners have staged a series of angry demonstrations outside the British embassy in Tehran in recent weeks to protest at the occupation of Iraq. Britain has also been strongly criticised too for its role in helping draft a tough resolution on Iran at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna last week.

ministe van agitatie 23 maart 2007 14:54

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven (Bericht 2550110)
hmmm.. zou dat met of zonder het pistool tegen het hoofd verklaard zijn?

Citaat:

A UK Ministry of Defence spokesman said the boats ... may have strayed across the maritime border by mistake.
Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat de Iraanse Revolutionaire Garde een woordvoerder van het Britse Ministerie van Offens... oeps, Defensie een pistool tegen de kop zou houden.

bruut geweld 23 maart 2007 14:54

thx, kon het al niet meer veranderen in mijn eigen post. :roll: die tijdlimiet is tegenwoordig kort.

sodoirt 23 maart 2007 15:51

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ministe van agitatie (Bericht 2550301)
In een leesbare versie ziet dat er zo uit:

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Last Updated: Wednesday, 23 June, 2004, 01:00 GMT 02:00 UK
Bijna 3 jaar oud. Jongen toch, waar je jezelf mee bezighoudt en iedereen zijn tijd doet verliezen met oude koeien uit de gracht te halen.

Je maakt je nog meer belachelijk dan Boutmans zelfe.

Mustius 23 maart 2007 15:55

Wat hebben de Britten in de Golf van Basra te zoeken??
De Britten en Amerikanen bezetten en onderdrukken een land dat is pas piraterij...


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