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VS doet nieuwe raketaanval op Somalië

Nu alle ogen op de G8-top in Duitsland gericht zijn, maakt de VS gebruik van de gelegenheid om een nieuwe raketaanval te doen op Somalië. Zogezegd om Al Qaeda strijders te elimineren natuurlijk...

Hoewel vrijwel onmiddellijk na de door de VS gesteunde inval van Ethiopië in Somalië werd beweerd dat de islamitische rechtbanken waren verdreven en het verzet was gebroken, wordt er tot op de dag van vandaag gevochten. En het ziet er niet naar uit dat het snel gedaan zal zijn. Maar het is nu al een vergeten conflict.

Niemand heeft enig idee over de omvang van de humanitaire crisis die daarmee gepaard is. In ieder geval zijn er massa's vluchtelingen die zonder voedsel, medicijnen en proper water zitten. Maar de overgangregering van Somalië probeert de feiten te minimaliseren en bemoeilijkt de hulp van de vluchtelingen.

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US attacks Somali 'militant base'

A US Navy warship has carried out a missile attack on a Somali village where Islamist militants are reported to have set up a base.

Somali officials said a remote village in the Puntland region was bombarded, days after foreign militants arrived.

US reports suggest the target was an al-Qaeda operative suspected of involvement in the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

The strike would be at least the third by the US in Somali territory in 2007.
In early January, US forces tried to target three suspected members of al-Qaeda but were thought to have missed their targets.

Later that month another strike hit an identified target in the south of the country, according to the Pentagon.

Until now fighting between rival clan militias and remnants of Islamist militants, who seized control of large parts of Somalia for six months of 2006, has been concentrated in the south of the country.

This is the first time the US has launched an attack in the Puntland region, home to Somalia's President Abdullahi Yusuf, says the BBC's East Africa correspondent Karen Allen.

Guided attack

The latest attack targeted a mountainous area around the village of Bargal in the northern province of Bari, in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, Somali reports said.

It followed clashes between local troops and foreign fighters after their arrival on Wednesday, which forced the militants into nearby hills. Residents spoke of a plane circling overhead assisting the warship with targeting.

There was no word available immediately on whether anyone was injured or killed by the missile strikes.

"We cannot yet tell you the casualty figures, but what I can confirm is that the American warships bombed several targets in the surroundings of Bargal at night," one resident, Mohamoud Salah, told the AFP news agency.

The US did not comment directly on the latest reports, pointing out only that operations against terror suspects often needed to be carried out "quietly".

"The very nature of some of our operations, as well as the success of those operations is often predicated on our ability to work quietly with our partners and allies," a Pentagon spokesman said.

US officials have accused Islamist militias in Somalia of harbouring terrorists.

Bron: BBC

Verenigde Staten van het Ultra Cynische Kapitaal Schandaal

Tot zover de hulp van de VS aan Afrika. :evil::cry::oops:

(Ik had het bericht hier gisteren al ergens geplaatst, maar niet in een aparte topic.)

Toch wel erg cynisch van de Bush-administratie!!! Schande!!!

Het ziet er niet goed uit voor Afrika.

Het enige positieve, maar dat is dan ook wel weer erg cynisch, is dat het conflict hiermee misschien iets minder vergeten is? Maar ach, de media hebben het er nauwelijks over. En er is ook nog Darfour.

Het ziet er niet goed uit voor Afrika.

Kan eens iemand zeggen welke landen en/of regio's in Afrika het wel min of meer goed doen?

“This wealth map shows which territories have the greatest wealth when Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is compared using currency exchange rates.
This indicates international purchasing power - what someone’s money would be worth if they wanted to spend it in another territory. For some their money will gain value when they move - others’ money will lose value. This facilitates the movement of some people, whilst severely limiting that of others.
Wealth, as reflected by GDP per person, is highest in Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland. It is lowest in Ethiopia, Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo.”

Dus de VS mag geen terreurgroepen bestrijden?

Denken jullie nu echt dat Somalië een vredelievende land is waar de inwoners onder een palmboom cocktails drinken?

Of moest de VS misschien een invasie doen om die terreurgroepen te bestrijden ipv een paar gerichte rakketaanvallen?

Wie is hier de terrorist?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hellfigger (Bericht 2702254)

Wie is hier de terrorist?

Zie "Tot zover de hulp van de VS aan Afrika" geplaatst door Jo Creten

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jo Creten (Bericht 2702257)

Wie is hier de terrorist?

Zie "Tot zover de hulp van de VS aan Afrika" geplaatst door Jo Creten

De terroristen daar in die regio tiens!

Toch wel grappig hoe iedereen zomaar aanvallen aanvaard vanaf het moment dat men zegt dat het over terroristen gaat. Hoe weten wij of dit klopt? Moet dat niet bewezen worden? Hebben zij geen recht op een proces? Mogen zij zomaar geëlimineerd worden? En mag dat zomaar gebeuren op andermans grondgebied? Allemaal vragen die weinigen zich nog stellen.

Om nog maar te zwijgen van het feit dat het hier eigenlijk gewoon om een zoveelste bezetting gaat. Alleen was de VS zo slim om daar het Ethiopische leger voor te gebruiken. Ze moesten enkel eventjes de grondtroepen leveren. Ondertussen zitten ze er natuurlijk nog altijd. De overgangsregering die gesteund wordt, mist elke legimiteit en barst nu al van de interne conflicten.

En de reden is natuurlijk niet terrorisme bestrijden maar controle krijgen en houden over de regio. Ten koste van de lokale bevolking natuurlijk.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Edina (Bericht 2702857)

Het is toch wel eigenaardig dat ik sommigen nooit heb horen 'klagen' over het geweld (meer dan 13.000 doden) van bvb de Maoïsten in Nepal, door ons land als prille democratie omschreven...

Dan is het precies dat ze een boerka zonder kijkgaten dragen... :-P

Tja, extreem-links staat weer te krijsen omdat hun moslim-vriendjes hier weer (terecht) aan stukken geschoten werden. Het is echter begrijpelijk dat terroristen worden uitgeschakeld, de VS is blijkbaar de enige die de strijd echt ter harte neemt.

Weiter so!

En toch bent u volges mij nen toffen

Gelukkig dat ze daar nog hulp krijgen van radicale wahabisten.

Die MP3-spelerkes met wahabistische vertalingen van de Qur'an die ze daar voor niks uitdelen aan aan 10jarige mannekes kan verlichting zorgen terwijl dat het gehate Westen zijn onderdrukking voortzet onder de vorm van bombardementen.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jo Creten (Bericht 2702251)

Hoe schandalig dat men terroristen durft aanvallen!

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Edina (Bericht 2702857)

Een proces? En gaat u een beleefde uitnodiging sturen om hen te vragen of ze zich aub willen aanbieden? Belachelijk.

Zolang men maar de VS aanvalt heeft men natuurlijk uw steun.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Edina (Bericht 2702241)

Nu alle ogen op de G8-top in Duitsland gericht zijn, maakt de VS gebruik van de gelegenheid om een nieuwe raketaanval te doen op Somalië. Zogezegd om Al Qaeda strijders te elimineren natuurlijk...

Als er vlaams belangers zitten, is het dan ok?

hoelang zullen mensen nog geloven dat die amerikanen per toeval altijd op terroristen schieten??

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door the_dude (Bericht 2704355)

hoelang zullen mensen nog geloven dat die amerikanen per toeval altijd op terroristen schieten??

per toeval dat heb ik nooit geloofd.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Preuße (Bericht 2702991)

Ben jij nu helemaal getikt?

Uit je tekst kan ik al bijna concluderen dat die mensen terecht worden neergeschoten omdat het moslims zijn. En dat vind je er zelf niet over gaan?

Ik ben niet extreem-links en geen enkele terrorist is mijn vriend. Maar dat geldt ook voor zogenaamde bombardementen, waarbij we collateral damage als nauwelijks relevant beschouwen.

Niet dat er hier sprake daarvan is, maar ik las het woord 'village' en dan begin ik al vast te vrezen. Een terrorist herbergen is een misdaad, maar omdat te bestraffen met doodstraf is natuurlijk alle verbeelding tarten.

Ik wil de VS nog de geloofwaardigheid geven dat ze wel degelijk aanleiding hadden om er zeker (ik wil er zelfs niet aan denken dat ze het slechts 'vermoeden') van te zijn dat er terroristen - of mensen met terroristische plannen - waren. Maar om dan direct een 'village' te bombarderen, gaat er voor mij niet in.

Of zou het zo'n terrroristendorp zijn met enkel maar volwassen mensen die bommen aan het maken zijn? Dat betwijfel ik wel ten zeerste.

Maar goed. Het is nu niet dat we er ooit nog antwoord op gaan krijgen.

Hier is het volledige verhaal.

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U.S. Strikes Inside Somalia, Bombing Suspected Militant Hide-Out
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By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: June 3, 2007
NAIROBI, Kenya, June 2 — American forces struck inside Somalia on Friday, bombarding a mountainous area where suspected militants were hiding out, Somali officials said Saturday. It was the third known American strike on Somali soil this year.

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According to Somali security forces, an American warship fired cruise missiles into the area after two boatloads of heavily armed gunmen landed at Bargal, a small fishing village on the north Somali coast, and then escaped into the mountains.

Hassan Dahir, the vice president of Puntland, a semiautonomous region of Somalia, said eight Islamist militants had been killed, including one who was an American citizen, according to documents found on his body.

Mr. Dahir also said three American Special Operations soldiers were on the ground, helping Somali security forces. “Three Americans came into the mountains with us,” he said. “They are counterterrorism experts and they are investigating the computers that the militants were carrying.”

An American counterterrorism official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, said, “We’re looking very hard at the information on the reported strike in Somalia,” but he had no information on whether the dead militants included any of the wanted Al Qaeda operatives in the region.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, attending a conference of defense ministers in Singapore, declined to comment on what he described as “possibly an ongoing opeation.”

The operation Mr. Dahir described was congruent with an attack in early January in which American forces bombed an area in southern Somalia and then sent in a small contingent of Special Forces soldiers to investigate the remains of suspected militants. A few weeks later, American forces struck again, trying to kill a militant Islamist leader.

On Saturday, Bryan Whitman, a Defense Department spokesman, said in an e-mail message, “This is a global war on terror and the U.S. remains committed to reducing terrorist capabilities when and where we find them.”

The statement went on to say, “The very nature of some of our operations, as well as the success of those operations, is often predicated on our ability to work quietly with our partners and allies.”

Mr. Dahir said that the militants, thought to number around 15, were from Somalia’s recently ousted Islamist administration and that they had come by boat to northern Somalia in an attempt to cross the Gulf of Aden and escape the country.

Among the eight killed, he said, were men from Eritrea, Yemen, England and Sweden. He said that Somali officials contacted American officers in Djibouti, where there is a large American military base, after a gun battle on Friday evening in which the militants wounded four Somali security agents and then melted into the mountains. He said that an American destroyer off Bargal fired the cruise missiles into the area.

The strike fit a pattern of a broader American strategy to hunt down Islamist militants in the Horn of Africa, especially Al Qaeda operatives. American officials have accused Islamist clerics in Somalia of sheltering Al Qaeda agents, including the mastermind of the American Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

American forces played an influential but behind-the-scenes role in helping overthrow the Islamist movement that controlled Somalia for six months last year. In late December, Ethiopian troops, aided by American satellite imagery and battlefield intelligence, routed Islamist forces.

That paved the way for Somalia’s internationally recognized but weak transitional government to take loose control of the capital, Mogadishu, for the first time.

American officials say that several Qaeda suspects are still inside the country.

A naval task force of about 15 ships from several countries, including the United States, routinely patrols the area off Somalia. It is known as Combined Task Force 150.

Mohammed Ibrahim contributed reporting from Mogadishu, Somalia, and Scott Shane from Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/wo...hp&oref=slogin

Dit geeft al een totaal ander beeld.

Wacht, Al Jazeera bericht dat er ggen BURGERslachtoffers waren.

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Somalis say foreign fighters killed

The US warship's targets are believed to be the perpetrators of the 1998 embassy bombings

Eight foreign Muslim fighters have been killed during fighting with government forces in Puntland, a remote, mountainous northeastern Somali area, according to a senior official.

Hassan Dahir Mohamoud, Puntland's vice-president, said on Saturday that there were no civilian casualties because the area is uninhabited.

At least one US warship late on Friday shelled the area where the fighters had set up a base after they clashed with government forces.

Speaking from Garowe, Puntland's capital, Mohamoud said security forces are pursuing another five foreign Muslim fighters.

He said the government knew the nationalities of five of the foreigners: Britain, Eritrea, Sweden, US and Yemen.

He said security forces identified them from their passports.

Mohamoud said: "We have successfully completed the operation against the terrorists who came here and we are chasing the other five."

He said the total number of fighters was 13, but earlier government officials reported they were as many as 35.

Earlier, Mohamed Abdulrahman Banga, Puntland's minister of information, said that the armed members of the Islamic Courts Union arrived in two fishing boats from southern Somalia, which they controlled for six months last year before being routed by Ethiopian troops sent to prop up a faltering interim government.

"They had their own small boats and guns. We do not know exactly where they came from - maybe from Ras Kamboni, where they were cornered in January," he said.

"As long as the Ethiopian troops are on Somalian soil I don't think this war torn country can secure peace"

Fishermen said about a dozen fighters arrived on Wednesday, but Puntland officials said the number could be as high as 35.

Muse Gelle, the regional governor, said that area where the fighters arrived on Wednesday - the port of Bargaal - is a dense thicket, making it difficult for Puntland security forces to intervene on their own.

A radio station quoted Ade Muse, Puntland's leader, as saying that his forces had battled with the group for hours before the US ships arrived and used their cannons.

Muse said five of his soldiers were wounded, but that he had no information about casualties among the fighters.

Al Jazeera's Mohammed Adow said that members of the Islamic Courts Union were believed to be hiding out in the region since they were beaten in early January.

The target was reportedly a suspect in the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

The destroyer's guns appeared to be targeting a single person, perhaps moving in a convoy, according to the CNN report.

The US launched air strikes in Somalia in January targeting three alleged al-Qaeda members but killing their allies instead, US officials have said.

Those suspects also were wanted for the embassy bombings, which killed 240 people.

Maar dit laten ze niet zien.

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Somali PM escapes suicide attack

Gedi's administration has been struggling to bring order to the chaos and anarchy of Somalia [AP]

A suicide bomber in a car has killed seven people near the home of Ali Mohamed Gedi, the Somali prime minister, in the capital Mogadishu, but he has escaped unhurt.

Security sources said the blast injured an unknown number of people.

"Prime Minister Gedi was unhurt. The vehicle exploded outside the gate of his house," a police officer at the scene said.

Paddy Ankunda, a spokesman of the African Union peacekeeping force in Mogadishu, said Gedi had been taken to a safe location.

He said: "We don't how the suicide bomber managed to pass through undetected ... The wounded cannot be counted," the officer told Reuters.

Buildings flattened

A security source close to the prime minister said seven people were killed, including five soldiers guarding the residence. The blast flattened other buildings in the area.

Gedi's interim administration is struggling to impose its authority on the anarchic Horn of Africa nation.

"As long as the Ethiopian troops are on Somalian soil I don't think this war torn country can secure peace"

A witness at the scene said an Islamic school was among the buildings damaged in the explosion. "No one knows what happened to the children inside," he said.

Ankunda said that a number of people were killed and others wounded.

He said African Union troops are busy evacuating the wounded.

Ankunda said that within minutes of the explosion, peacekeepers sealed off the area around Gedi's house and took charge of security.

Qasaye Mohamed Ali, who lives in the neighbourhood, said he was standing near the prime minister's house when he saw the car force its way through a roadblock.

Guards outside opened fire and then the car rammed into a wall and exploded, he said.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...BDC5BEA2B7.htm

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jozef Ostyn (Bericht 2703989)

Een proces? En gaat u een beleefde uitnodiging sturen om hen te vragen of ze zich aub willen aanbieden? Belachelijk.

Zolang men maar de VS aanvalt heeft men natuurlijk uw steun.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
idd.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Edina (Bericht 2702857)

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