BOLUDOVSKY schreef:
> "theoriginaldimi" <[email protected]> dixit:
>
> > Don't live in the naive belief that, after VB has "solved" problems
> > with the muslim community, they won't be looking for another minority
> > which could be the "common enemy" they need for their fear tactics.
>
> I am not sure what the VB will do once he "solves" the Muslim "problem".
> Will they turn on the Jews? I don't think they'll be so foolish.
>
> First of all, Jews in Anterwp don't pose any problem, and most Flemish
> recognize that. Do you think the average Antwerper is scared when he
> crosses a Haredi man in the street? And when he crosses an inmigrant (Arab)
> youth?
Do you think German's in '32 were scared of Jewish robbing their purses
and stealing their cars? Probably not.
Once Jewish are the only minority left in Antwerp there will *alwys* be
people that will, for their own interests, make the Jewish look bad.
> > Your logic would be a lot more acceptable if you could point out one
> > Jewish person on the election lists of Vlaams Belang. Other parties
> > (socialist, liberal, ...) have Jewish on them. Just in Antwerp I can
> > name, out of the top of my head, Marinower from VLD (liberal party) and
> > Erdman from Sp.a (socialist party).
> > Now you give me one Jewish man or woman on the list of Vlaams belang.
>
> I don't think ethnic vote has any appeal for Jews. Most of the Jews of
> Antwerp are Haredim (ultra-orthodox). They live in their own world.
There are clearly Jewish that do "not live in their own world" and that
are interested in politics in Belgium. None of them are on the list of
VB's though.
At the same time guys like Erdman and Gol were actually the presidents
of their respecitve political parties (sp.a and MR). They were more
then just a little involved in Belgian politics.
Yet you fail to give me even one name, one measly name, of a Jewish
person on the list of Vlaams Belang. Not one, in the whole of Belgium.
Jewish people in Belgium seem to be a *lot* more knowledgable on Vlaams
Belang then you are.
> > Just one. Else we'll have to conclude that the Antwerp Jewish community
> > trusts VB less then otehr parties, even those like VLD and SP.a that
> > together form Belgium's so-called "anti-zionist" government.
>
> When you are called "dirty Jew" by Muslims in the supermarket, when you
> have to avoid some neighbourhoods in your own city, when due to the
> Islamization of Belgian society your future looks very bleak, VB turns out
> to be the least of your worries.
Actually most anti-Jewish violence that makes the newspapers are
attacks by Belgian neo-nazis, not attacks from Muslims. But, don't
believe me, read some independent source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3586543.stm
Quote: "The study singles out Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands
and Britain, where it says the rise in anti-Semitism has been of
particular concern. Other countries, including Ireland and Portugal,
showed little sign of any rise in attacks, the report says. It
identifies "young, disaffected white Europeans" as the key culprits
followed by North African or Asian Muslims."
Most dangerous incidents do not involve Arabs, but skinheads.
> > A"Silent March" that was held in Antwerp in Memory of the Malinese
> > woman and Belgian child that were killed by a neo-nazi. There was a
> > Jewish representation present on that march. Where-o-where was Vlaams
> > Belang?
>
> Where were the "democratic" parties when a bus driver was beaten to death
> by a "troubled" youth? Where were the "democratic" parties when a Jewish
> yeshiva student was stabbed to death?
Please tell me about this "murdered bus driver incident". I'd like to
know more of it. Give us some links.
With regard to the "Yeshiva" incident: the latest case in which a
Jewish person was attacked (not killed) by an Arab in Antwerp was in
2004? In a city with a high concentration of Jewish and Arabs that
doesn't really sound like these attacks are the order of the day.
Especially since the Yeshiva college is right next to an area where the
population consists of +/-90% Arabs.
But, at least you are aware that the adverb "democratic" is one of the
main differences between VB and other parties. You are aware, off
course, that VB believes that Flanders (as they do not recognise
Belgium, being separatists and all) should be ruled by the "natural
elite", and not by people elected by the population.
> Better VB than sharia.
>
> Better VB than crooks.
For me, being white and from Christian descent, you're probably right
on both accounts. For you, or other Jewish, I doubt that this would be
the case, especially on longer term.
Do you really want a local government filled with people that have ties
to violent extreme right organisations and of which a lot still have
ties to the Nazi's and East-fronters that fought for Hitler at the
Russian front?
You probably do, you didn't really convince me of being highly
intelligent. Luckily for you the Jewish community in Antwerp (and the
rest of Belgium) is quite a bit smarter and realistic.
Dimitri