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Oud 16 oktober 2006, 20:45   #21
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Standaard Re: Our [Antwerp] Jewish community feels unsafe


"BOLUDOVSKY" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "theoriginaldimi" <[email protected]> dixit:
>
> > Fight your wars with your Muslim ennemies at Israel's borders, will
> > you.

>
> LOL. If you think that the struggle against Islamofascism only concerns
> Jews, you're dumber than I thought. It's just a matter of time before a
> Jihadi blows himself up in the Brussels subway or in a tram in Antwerpen.
> As Brussels has the HQ of the EU and NATO, it's a primary target for
> terrorists.
>
> > Yes, voting vor VB is a good idea because it scares your own people?
> > Sure.

>
> If as a result some of them pack their stuff and move to Israel even
> reluctantly, then it is OK to me.
>
> > You're still coming short on one name. I gave three of Jewish
> > politicians that have operated in Antwerp and on a national level. You
> > gave me nothing.

>
> Of course I can't give you none. VB is essentially a Flemish nationalist
> party. You can't expect Jews to belong to it. Likewise, you can't expect
> Flemings to belong to the Likud.
>
> > Quote: "Wearing Orthodox black suits and Homburg hats, the men were
> > carrying palm fronds in honor of the feast of Sukkot, celebrated this
> > weekend. That festival meant it was forbidden for Jews to cast their
> > votes, Jeremy Sulzbacher said, unless they had organized a proxy vote.
> > "Vlaams Belang doesn't convince Jewish people," he said. "Once they've
> > finished with the Muslims and the North Africans, who will they start
> > on next? They'll start on us, the Jews."

>
> I'd love to see some figures to confirm or deny that based on facts, not
> sheer speculation.
>
> > Then you don't walk around in Antwerp often.

>
> I go everyday to work there. I haven't seen any skinhead, but that does
> not mean they don't exist. However, unlike in East Germany, they are not a
> primary security concern.
>
> > This doesn't involve a bus driver, but a bus passenger. he was not
> > Jewish, but Belgian. There were no racial slurs before, during or
> > after the incident. If was a fight between an older guy that wanted
> > some young guys to be quite. The old guy died of a heart attack.
> > Nothing indicates that there were any racial motives involved.

>
> My point is that Jewish/Belgian people are nearly always the victims of
> these Arab youths. I doubt the incident would have ended up with a murder
> should the kids have been Belgian or Jewish. Now, I don't know if law and
> order means something for you, but I guess it certainly does for many

hard-
> working citizens worried about the lawlessness and insecurity in their own
> cities.
>
> >> No. I am not aware of that, "off" course. Sounds like the usual
> >> anti-VB
> >> scaremongering.

> >
> > Actually it is written down in their programme. Look on their site,
> > and look it up.

>
> . DEMOCRATIE
>
> Het Vlaams Belang kiest uitdrukkelijk voor de democratie als politiek
> model. Het volk beslist. Dat is meteen de kern van het Vlaams-
> Belangstandpunt terzake.
>
> Nevertheless, I don't have a crystal ball, and I don't know what the VB
> would do should they got into power. Meanwhile, I will give them the
> benefit of the doubt, in particular after seeing how the "democratic"
> parties that don't solve the problems of the citizens attack them.
>
> > You are the first Jewish that I heard declaring that what happened
> > during WW2 is a "secondary issue".

>
> For me, in 2006, certainly it is. Listen, there's some people in Israel
> that, even to date, boycott Germany and don't buy anything German.

However,
> the bulk of the Israeli population moved on a long time ago, and even
> Sharon got a new BMW when he was PM.
>
> If a Jew does not vote for the VB because of the Flemish SS or whatever,

I
> can understand that. However, some other might think that the only way to
> stop the Muslim invasion is voting for the VB.
>
> > We are overrun by Jews as well I
> > guess.

>
> Jews don't pose a threat to the Flemish way of life. They don't plant
> bombs. They don't blow buses up. They don't mug old people. They respect
> the law. They don't get into trouble.
>
> However, I don't want to sound opinionated or self-righteous. Are there
> bad apples in the Jewish community? Certainly, yes. But they are the
> exception, not the norm.
>
> >You might very well be the second largest religious minority
> > group in Antwerp. You're probably next on their list as well.

>
> I don't remember any open hostility from the VB against the Jews during
> the last years.


Good post Bolu...