12 oktober 2007, 23:51
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Secretaris-Generaal VN
Geregistreerd: 28 november 2006
Locatie: Antwerpen Stadstaat
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Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Praetorian
En tegelijk gebruik jij het argument van Karel V? Hoe onjuist kan jij historisch zijn. Karel V heeft geleend van kapitalisten uit Genua totdat er geen geld meer aanwezig was, en dat zonder deze mechanismen. Genua had ondertussen al een kleine eeuw de Iberische grootmacht financieel ondersteund, omdat die staat zo winstgevend was. Maw, met of zonder creatie van geld, die oorlogen zijn er geweest omdat de bankiers hoopten er enorme winsten mee te behalen. Florence steunde de Franse vorsten, en hadden op het verkeerde paard gegokt.
Florence had pech, Genua had de hoofdprijs. Genua was door hun monopolie op de goudmijnen uit de nieuwe wereld toch verantwoordelijk voor de grootste inflatie uit de late middeleeuwen, en dat zonder papiergeld. Maar nadien, niet tijdens de onderneming. Het kapitalisme ontstond in die tijd omdat het moderne statensysteem dergelijke winstenmarges mogelijk maakte, en dat heeft allesbehalve iets te maken met marktretoriek en eerder met specifieke historische omstandigheden. Bemerk het verschil tussen transcendentale marktutopie en het concrete historische fileermes.
Sorry Percy, maar jouw theorie wil opnieuw niet toegepast worden op de geschiedenis. Net zoals met jouw tirade dat een militaire wapenwedloop geen groei kan veroorzaken. Ik ga allicht eens een lijstje aanleggen. 
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Citaat:
The Broken Window
Let us begin with the simplest illustration possible: let us, emulating Bastiat, choose a broken pane of glass.
A young hoodlum, say, heaves a brick through the window of a baker's shop. The shopkeeper runs out furious, but the boy is gone. A crowd gathers, and begins to stare with quiet satisfaction at the gaping hole in the window and the shattered glass over the bread and pies. After a while the crowd feels the need for philosophic reflection. And several of its members are almost certain to remind each other or the baker that, after all, the misfortune has its bright side. It will make business for some glazier. As they begin to think of this they elaborate upon it. How much does a new plate glass window cost? Fifty dollars? That will be quite a sum. After all, if windows were never broken, what would happen to the glass business? Then, of course, the thing is endless. The glazier will have $50 more to spend with other merchants, and these in turn will have $50 more to spend with still other merchants, and so ad infinitum. The smashed window will go on providing money and employment in ever-widening circles. The logical conclusion from all this would be, if the crowd drew it, that the little hoodlum who threw the brick, far from being a public menace, was a public benefactor.
Now let us take another look. The crowd is at least right in its first conclusion. This little act of vandalism will in the first instance mean more business for some glazier. The glazier will be no more unhappy to learn of the incident than an undertaker to learn of a death. But the shopkeeper will be out $50 that he was planning to spend for a new suit. Because he has had to replace a window, he will have to go without the suit (or some equivalent need or luxury). Instead of having a window and $50 he now has merely a window. Or, as he was planning to buy the suit that very afternoon, instead of having both a window and a suit he must be content with the window and no suit. If we think of him as a part of the community, the community has lost a new suit that might otherwise have come into being, and is just that much poorer.
The glazier's gain of business, in short, is merely the tailor's loss of business. No new "employment" has been added. The people in the crowd were thinking only of two parties to the transaction, the baker and the glazier. They had forgotten the potential third party involved, the tailor. They forgot him precisely because he will not now enter the scene. They will see the new window in the next day or two. They will never see the extra suit, precisely because it will never be made. They see only what is immediately visible to the eye.
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Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Avicenna
"Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned."
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