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Knipp · 5 december 2009, 06:21

Kreeg net dit zeer instructief mailtje van Pokerstars Support.
Als ik helemaal met m'n kop in pokerland verdwijn, dan langs dit pad

Hello,

Thank you for your email. I will do my best to address your concerns.

Please rest assured that we do not tolerate automated players (bots) on
PokerStars. We have an extensive arsenal of detection tools in order to
ensure that each player is a human being.

Unfortunately I cannot go into greater detail of the tools we use to make
our determinations as we don't want our methods to fall into the hands of
bot programmers who will then use that information to avoid detection.

There are many dozens of PokerStars customers who regularly play the maximum
number of tables at a time (which is 24 for cash games and unlimited for sit
and go tournaments). Please note that we're well aware of exactly who these
customers are (we have reports that show us this), and we examine all such
players with the bot hunting tools I mentioned earlier, on a repeated and
ongoing basis.

Massively parallel play is not by itself a reliable harbinger of a bot.
There are reasonable explanations as to how players can play such a large
number of games at once. The most tables I've seen concurrently played (and
we've seen it in the flesh), is 31 tables on a single 17" notebook
computer... and that player did this without timing out. That video (and
many others like it) are posted on YouTube for all to see. Use keyword
search terms "multi table poker" to locate them. One of them shows a player
briefly playing 72 tables at once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYUQIzx_QMo

One of the first extreme multi-tablers was Hevad "Rain" Khan, whom you saw
on the final table of the 2007 WSOP on ESPN, and one of those videos is his.
Khan now is a member of Team PokerStars, in part for his fame in multi-tabling.

Another recent high profile case was that of 'Boku87', a human player that
in March 2009 took a $10,000 bet that he could turn $100 into $10,000 in 15
days, playing games no larger than $15 Sit and Goes. He hooked up a webcam
to satisfy those who bet against him, and also posted videos of him playing
51 tournaments at once on YouTube. You can find those videos on YouTube.com
under search key "Boku87". (He won the wager with 24 hours to spare).

Finally, a Russian player recently set an official Guinness World Record by
playing 40,000 hands on PokerStars in 24 hours, all while being recorded by
two web cams and Guinness observers.

Many of these players have given up the mouse in favor of hotkeys or macros,
so that they don't have to move the mouse and click. They just press F1 for
fold, F5 for raise, F9 for call, etc... or whatever keyboard combination
they've configured. There are quite advanced scripts out there that assign
hotkeys to actions like "bet the pot" or "bet 2/3 of the pot", calculating
what the pot is and adjusting the bet size for them based upon the key they
pressed. Such hotkeys are not prohibited. You can find out more about
which tools are prohibited and which are permitted (including a list of
permitted software) at:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

Multitablers like this tend to overlap (or "cascade") their tables, rather
than spread them out across the screen with no overlap. They rely on the
PokerStars software to "pop up" or bring to the front the next table that
needs their attention. With that many tables, though, these multitablers
cannot respond to chat, even if they want to. As soon as they input an
action on your table, the next table will be popping up, covering up the
table you're at with another one requiring their attention.

Please note that there is no inherent disadvantage to playing against such
players versus an equally skilled opponent playing only at one table. In
fact, many believe that these multi-tablers give up a fair bit in
expectation per table, but that it is worth it to them because:

4 tables at 3 BB/100 hands = 12 BB total
24 tables at 1 BB/100 hands = 24 BB total

Thus, they have made the decision to play six times as many tables, to win
only twice as much. That they are distracted and cannot ponder close
decisions means it is probably to your ADVANTAGE to play against such a
player, as he's not giving you his "best game".

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

I wish you the best of luck in your future games, and thank you for playing
on PokerStars.

Regards,

x
PokerStars Game Security Team

5 december 2009, 06:21	#1
Knipp Banneling Geregistreerd: 27 januari 2004 Locatie: Virtuix Omni Berichten: 7.552	Poker Massief Parallel Kreeg net dit zeer instructief mailtje van Pokerstars Support. Als ik helemaal met m'n kop in pokerland verdwijn, dan langs dit pad Hello, Thank you for your email. I will do my best to address your concerns. Please rest assured that we do not tolerate automated players (bots) on PokerStars. We have an extensive arsenal of detection tools in order to ensure that each player is a human being. Unfortunately I cannot go into greater detail of the tools we use to make our determinations as we don't want our methods to fall into the hands of bot programmers who will then use that information to avoid detection. There are many dozens of PokerStars customers who regularly play the maximum number of tables at a time (which is 24 for cash games and unlimited for sit and go tournaments). Please note that we're well aware of exactly who these customers are (we have reports that show us this), and we examine all such players with the bot hunting tools I mentioned earlier, on a repeated and ongoing basis. Massively parallel play is not by itself a reliable harbinger of a bot. There are reasonable explanations as to how players can play such a large number of games at once. The most tables I've seen concurrently played (and we've seen it in the flesh), is 31 tables on a single 17" notebook computer... and that player did this without timing out. That video (and many others like it) are posted on YouTube for all to see. Use keyword search terms "multi table poker" to locate them. One of them shows a player briefly playing 72 tables at once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYUQIzx_QMo One of the first extreme multi-tablers was Hevad "Rain" Khan, whom you saw on the final table of the 2007 WSOP on ESPN, and one of those videos is his. Khan now is a member of Team PokerStars, in part for his fame in multi-tabling. Another recent high profile case was that of 'Boku87', a human player that in March 2009 took a $10,000 bet that he could turn $100 into $10,000 in 15 days, playing games no larger than $15 Sit and Goes. He hooked up a webcam to satisfy those who bet against him, and also posted videos of him playing 51 tournaments at once on YouTube. You can find those videos on YouTube.com under search key "Boku87". (He won the wager with 24 hours to spare). Finally, a Russian player recently set an official Guinness World Record by playing 40,000 hands on PokerStars in 24 hours, all while being recorded by two web cams and Guinness observers. Many of these players have given up the mouse in favor of hotkeys or macros, so that they don't have to move the mouse and click. They just press F1 for fold, F5 for raise, F9 for call, etc... or whatever keyboard combination they've configured. There are quite advanced scripts out there that assign hotkeys to actions like "bet the pot" or "bet 2/3 of the pot", calculating what the pot is and adjusting the bet size for them based upon the key they pressed. Such hotkeys are not prohibited. You can find out more about which tools are prohibited and which are permitted (including a list of permitted software) at: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/ Multitablers like this tend to overlap (or "cascade") their tables, rather than spread them out across the screen with no overlap. They rely on the PokerStars software to "pop up" or bring to the front the next table that needs their attention. With that many tables, though, these multitablers cannot respond to chat, even if they want to. As soon as they input an action on your table, the next table will be popping up, covering up the table you're at with another one requiring their attention. Please note that there is no inherent disadvantage to playing against such players versus an equally skilled opponent playing only at one table. In fact, many believe that these multi-tablers give up a fair bit in expectation per table, but that it is worth it to them because: 4 tables at 3 BB/100 hands = 12 BB total 24 tables at 1 BB/100 hands = 24 BB total Thus, they have made the decision to play six times as many tables, to win only twice as much. That they are distracted and cannot ponder close decisions means it is probably to your ADVANTAGE to play against such a player, as he's not giving you his "best game". I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate to let us know any time you need anything. I wish you the best of luck in your future games, and thank you for playing on PokerStars. Regards, x PokerStars Game Security Team Laatst gewijzigd door Knipp : 5 december 2009 om 06:27.