Arabieren plegen genocide tegen autochtone zwarten onverminderd voort.

[Ambiorix]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Winterhamer

Ben jij nog steeds hier sukkel

allé, de grote anti-islam internetheld kan de moslims nog niet eens inhoudelijk te lijf.

[Winterhamer]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ambiorix

allé, de grote anti-islam internetheld kan de moslims nog niet eens inhoudelijk te lijf.

Altijd nog beter dan links preken rechts leven zoals jij doet

[filosoof]

Lees dit eens:
Washington is er zogezegd niet bij in Darfoer, maar Dyncorp en PAE wél, betaald door 't State Department:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11598

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Corpwatch
Darfur Diplomacy: Enter the Contractors
by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
October 21st, 2004




Rwandan and Nigerian soldiers will arrive in western Sudan this week as the first deployment of a five nation 4,500 strong peacekeeping force dispatched from the African Union headquarters in Addis Ababa to stem the violence in Darfur. Providing logistical support for the mission will be two private contractors from California, both of whom have mixed records carrying out similar enterprises in the past.
In Iraq and Afghanistan, it is widely known that the U.S. Army uses contractors like Halliburton to carry out its missions. However, the Sudan contracts are run, not by the military, but by the U.S. State Department, a civilian agency comparable to a foreign ministry in most governments.
Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Bittrick, the deputy director of regional and security affairs for Africa at the State Department, flew to Addis two months ago to hammer out an agreement to support African Union troops by committing to provide housing, office equipment, transport, and communications gear. This will be provided via an "indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity" joint contract awarded to Dyncorp Corporation, and Pacific Architects & Engineers (PAE) worth $20.6 million.
The two companies are already recruiting new staff to send to the region. A "resourceful retired military officer who has a through understanding of logistics" is being sought for $85,000 a year as well as security chief to lead "40-60 personnel daily" at a salary of $53,750 a year.
The State Department has assigned the work to DynCorp even as the same agency officially rebuked the company last week for its employees "aggressive behaviour" doing guard duty for Afghan leader Hamid Karzai and despite PAE's record of allegedly overcharging the United Nations in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
The Sudan work is being carried out under a five-year task order issued on May 27th, 2003 by the State Department. The open-ended contract allows the State Department to use the two companies anywhere in Africa. It is identical to the kind of contract that the Pentagon uses to employ Halliburton anywhere in the world from Afghanistan to Iraq, according to Ed Mueller, the director of international programs at the State Department's acquisition division.
"The only difference with the Pentagon contracts is that this is a smaller contract," Mueller told CorpWatch. The contract has been used to buy $67 million worth of services from both companies in Burundi, Sudan and Liberia in the past year and is capped at $100 million for each company. "These are cost-plus contracts so the companies get reimbursed for all expenses and can charge a profit that ranges between 5 and 8 percent."

Neither Andy Michels, the director of peacekeeping programs for Dyncorp, nor Stacy Rabin, Sudan program director for PAE, agreed to comment on either company's current or future role in Sudan. "We have a clause in our contract that says we are not allowed to talk to the media," said Rabin.

The two companies are already recruiting new staff to send to the region. A "resourceful retired military officer who has a through understanding of logistics" is being sought for $85,000 a year as well as security chief to lead "40-60 personnel daily" at a salary of $53,750 a year.
The State Department has assigned the work to DynCorp even as the same agency officially rebuked the company last week for its employees "aggressive behaviour" doing guard duty for Afghan leader Hamid Karzai and despite PAE's record of allegedly overcharging the United Nations in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
The Sudan work is being carried out under a five-year task order issued on May 27th, 2003 by the State Department. The open-ended contract allows the State Department to use the two companies anywhere in Africa. It is identical to the kind of contract that the Pentagon uses to employ Halliburton anywhere in the world from Afghanistan to Iraq, according to Ed Mueller, the director of international programs at the State Department's acquisition division.
"The only difference with the Pentagon contracts is that this is a smaller contract," Mueller told CorpWatch. The contract has been used to buy $67 million worth of services from both companies in Burundi, Sudan and Liberia in the past year and is capped at $100 million for each company. "These are cost-plus contracts so the companies get reimbursed for all expenses and can charge a profit that ranges between 5 and 8 percent."

Neither Andy Michels, the director of peacekeeping programs for Dyncorp, nor Stacy Rabin, Sudan program director for PAE, agreed to comment on either company's current or future role in Sudan. "We have a clause in our contract that says we are not allowed to talk to the media," said Rabin.
State Department officials says that PAE is expected to play the main role in the Darfur mission and that the company has already started constructing housing for the troops that will be arriving this week if all goes well (the deployment has already been delayed at least once because of the shortage of housing).
"Private companies can do the job more quickly and efficiently in the short term than a government bureaucracy," says Charles Snyder, the director of Sudan programs for the State Department who was formerly National Intelligence Officer for Africa in the Central Intelligence Agency in the early 1990s. "Whether or not they can do better in the long term is situational," he told CorpWatch.
PAE already provides staff for a so-called Civilian Protection Monitoring Team (CPMT) which monitors human rights in Sudan under the State Department contract. The CPMT office is run by Brigadier General Frank Toney (retired), who was previously commander of Special Forces for the United States Army and organized covert missions into Iraq and Kuwait in the first Gulf War. Their job is to investigate complaints from the local community about human rights violations and issue independent reports on these matters.
Georgette Gagnon, deputy director of the Africa division of Human Rights Watch, who has just returned from a month long trip to Darfur is concerned about the use of private contractors, based on her previous experience of monitoring private contractor human rights abuses in Bosnia.
"There is not a lot of transparency about these contracts, we don't know how they vet recruits or what kind of training they get," she says. Unlike a government agency, the private companies are not required to tell the public exactly what they do, often citing "business confidentiality."
Military Contractors Working for Peace
Dyncorp is already working in Sudan, under the same State Department contract, on the long-standing "North-South" peace negotiations to end the 21-year civil war between the Government of Sudan and the Sudan People's Liberation Movement, the rebel group based in the south. The company provides staff in Washington DC who arrange housing and transportation to the delegates who meet in Nairobi, Kenya.
"Why are we using private contractors to do peace negotiations in Sudan? The answer is simple," says a senior United States government official who works on Sudan-related issues who preferred to remain anonymous. "We are not allowed to fund a political party or agenda under United States law, so by using private contractors, we can get around those provisions. Think of this as somewhere between a covert program run by the CIA and an overt program run by the United States Agency for International Development. It is a way to avoid oversight by Congress."
DynCorp has dozens of these little contracts all over the world from Afghanistan to the Mexican border, several of which have landed the company in hot water. Most recently French defense minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, who recently visited Afghan president Hamid Karzai in Kabul, was quoted saying that the behavior of Karzai's DynCorp bodyguards "gives a very bad impression" because of the aggressive way they treated visitors. Indeed even Colin Powell's security staff were once reported by the Washington Post as "furious" at the way that DynCorp guards treated them.
The State Department rebuked DynCorp last week for the incident. Mike Dickerson, director of communications for Computer Sciences Corporation, DynCorp's parent company, declined to comment on the State Department scolding but pointed out that the government had also stated that DynCorp was providing "outstanding" services in difficult and dangerous circumstances in Afghanistan.
But DynCorp's role in another State Department contract also appears designed to circumvent United States law under Plan Colombia. In the Colombian conflict, Washington has supplied more than 70 Black Hawk and Huey helicopters and other military hardware that are maintained and flown by private contractors.
Anxious to avoid the "secret wars" conducted by the Pentagon in Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s, Congress limited the number of US personnel that can operate in Colombia to 400 in uniform and 400 civilian contractors at any given time. US law also requires congressional notification before the government can approve the export of military services valued at $50 million or more.
By limiting each individual contract to several million dollars; labeling them peace-keeping missions; employing retired CIA and Special Forces personnel working for private contractors as well as foreign nationals (to whom the 400 person ceiling does not apply), Congress does not have to be notified, making the contracts harder to oversee.
Gagnon also points out that in the late 1990s, DynCorp contractors in Bosnia were caught trafficking in child sex slaves in Bosnia while working on a peace-keeping mission. "Many of the private contractors didn't have a clue about the local culture or anything about the country so you wonder how effective they can be. Most of them were just ex-military or police officers," she said.
PAE's African Past
Aside from the risk of unauthorized ventures being run by the executive branch beyond the scrutiny of Congress, there's a more prosaic reason to wonder whether private contractors are the best way for the US to carry out its foreign policy. As in the well documented abuses by Halliburton and the other Iraq contractors, PAE has a history of being accused of overcharging.
PAE, which also offers support for oil drilling projects around the world, has been involved in several African peacekeeping missions such as the air and sealift of personnel and supplies, equipment maintenance, and the provision of food fuel and water for the United Nations in Sierra Leone in 2003 and in the Congo in 2001.
The company's work in the Congo was investigated by the U.N. auditors because it was so expensive. When they won the contract to support the expanded UN peacekeeping mission in the Congo, PAE had been hired to replace South African Air Force specialists. Instead, when PAE managers arrived in the Congo, they hired away the South African fire-fighters and cargo-handlers for better, dollar-based salaries - but at a higher cost to the U.N..
Allegations of favoritism in the bid award were at first dismissed but when the final costs of the mission exceeded $75 million, despite the fact that the initial contract was capped at $34.2 million an investigation ensued. United Nations auditors subsequently reviewed the contract and presented a report to the General Assembly criticizing the decision to reject the original low bid. The award had been given to PAE on the grounds that Crown Agents, the low bidder which had offered to do the contract for $12 million less, had provided incomplete information. The auditors found that the lowest bidder was "erroneously penalized," and that the information alleged to be lacking (details on equipping and maintaining seven airfields) had in fact been supplied.
PAE group executive for government services Barry Wright told a South African journalist that the matter was no longer relevant. "All of the issues were resolved a long time ago," he said.
Peter Singer, a fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of Corporate Warriors is not so sure that the secretive ad-hoc use of private contractors are the best way to support peace-keeping. "A trend seems to be developing that when the US government finally decides to support peacekeeping in Africa --be it in Liberia or now Sudan-- it increasingly avoids a firm political commitment by avoiding using [official] US government means. There are obvious reasons for this, but we need to take the measure of the advantages and disadvantages of this in the policy debate as well."
But clearly for the current U.S. administration, the risks of using contractors are outweighed by the benefits. If the peacekeeping mission in Darfur is successful, the government can take credit. If anything goes wrong, as in Bosnia, the contractors can be blamed for the mistakes.
Disaster in Darfur
The situation in Darfur is grim. More than one million people have fled their homes and up to 50,000 people have been killed as a result of clashes between pro-government nomadic militias and the settled Darfur population. (Both sides are Muslim).
The conflict began in the arid and impoverished region of Darfur, which means land of the Fur, over land and grazing rights between the nomads and farmers from the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa ethnic groups. Early in 2003 two rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), began attacking government targets, claiming that the region was being neglected by the central government in Khartoum.
The government reacted by mobilizing "self-defence militias" following rebel attacks but denies any links to the most notorious groups that have attacked the settled farmers - the Janjaweed - who have been accused of trying to "cleanse" large swathes of territory of black Africans.
Refugees from Darfur say that following air raids by government aircraft, the Janjaweed ride into villages on horses and camels, slaughtering people and stealing whatever they can find. Women have reported being kidnapped by the Janjaweed and held as sex slaves.
Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary general and Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, are among the many dignitaries who have paraded through the region this summer taking stock of what the U.N. calls the worst current humanitarian crisis on the planet.
Some commentators point out that the United States sudden interest in Sudan may also have to do with the fact that the country has vast oil reserves, including in southern Darfur. In the early 1980s Chevron, an oil company from California, was exploring for oil in the country, but abandoned its concessions in 1985 when fighting broke out between government and rebel forces. Sudan turned over the rights to other countries and today the country exports 320,000 barrels of oil per day to China and Pakistan.

En ondertussen herhaalt de pers hier dagelijks dat "Arabieren genocide plegen op inheemse bevolking in Darfoer", terwijl er in feite een oorlog aan de gang is ginds die weinig of niets met islam, maar alles met olie te maken heeft.

En er zijn er nog die 't slikken ook (logisch, de desinformatie is tot en mèt)

Die doden en vluchtelingen zijn er inderdaad, en 't is een verschrikking, maar de reden ervan is niet wat onze media er van maken...

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Winterhamer

De grootste moordenaars van moslims zijn andere moslims

De grootste moordenaars van mensen, van gelijk welk geloof, zijn andere mensen, van gelijk welk geloof: The name of the game is money, not belief.
Geloof wordt er al eeuwen overal bijgesleurd om de economische gronden te verdoezelen.

[Den Ardennees]

jawadde, een vredesmachtbasis in Darfur is vandaag aangevallen. 12 soldaten zijn al zeker gesneuveld, 50 anderen zijn vermist.

Dat men maar twee keer nadenkt eer men soldaten naar daar stuurt. Het ziet er daar een wespennest uit waarbij je je afvraagt of het wel het risico waard is om tussen te komen. (Al geef ik toe dat je dat dan ook van Irak en Afghanistan zou kunnen zeggen)

Darfur attack deadliest ever for African Union peacekeepers

(CNN) -- Darfur rebels killed at least 12 peacekeepers at an African Union base in the deadliest attack yet on the peacekeeping force in its three-year mission, the AU said Sunday.
African Union peacekeeping soldiers guard an area near al-Salam camp in North Darfur, on September 5.





The overnight attack injured at least eight people and left some 25 AU peacekeepers missing, said AU spokesman Assane Ba.
AU officers told The Associated Press that 1,000 rebels from the Sudan Liberation Army stormed the AU base in the town of Haskanita.
"There is a war going on between the rebels and the government, and the AU is crunched in the middle," a senior AU officer who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue told AP.
The bloody assault came about two months after the U.N. Security Council authorized a 26,000-member peacekeeping mission in Darfur, more than tripling the AU-led force there.
Sunday's attack followed an April shooting by unidentified gunmen that killed five Senegalese AU peacekeepers in Umbaro, in northwest Darfur near the border with Chad.
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A day earlier, the AU said gunfire "clearly targeted" a helicopter carrying Brig. Gen. Ephreim Rurangwa, a commander for the African Union Mission in Sudan.
Five bullet holes were found on the helicopter, but no one was injured in the attack, which the AU called an attempted assassination.
Only one rebel group signed an AU-brokered peace agreement in May 2006.
That pact has done little to stop the fighting between government-backed militias and rebel groups, which the United Nations estimates have killed more than 200,000 people and driven about 2 million from their homes in the past four years.
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Sudan's foreign minister have invited Darfur's rebel groups to join peace talks with the Sudanese government on October 27 in the Libyan capital of Tripoli.
The "hybrid" force of U.N. and AU troops and police -- which will be under AU command -- is scheduled to take over for the current AU force by the end of the year, according to the U.N.
The peacekeeping force, which will be known as UNAMID, "will be the world's largest peacekeeping operation," according to the U.N.
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[baseballpolitieker]

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jawadde, een vredesmachtbasis in Darfur is vandaag aangevallen. 12 soldaten zijn al zeker gesneuveld, 50 anderen zijn vermist.

Dat men maar twee keer nadenkt eer men soldaten naar daar stuurt. Het ziet er daar een wespennest uit waarbij je je afvraagt of het wel het risico waard is om tussen te komen. (Al geef ik toe dat je dat dan ook van Irak en Afghanistan zou kunnen zeggen)



CNN

Blackwater en co zijn de oplossing eh!

[Den Ardennees]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door baseballpolitieker

Blackwater en co zijn de oplossing eh!

je lacht daarmee, maar ik vind dat wel een interessante optie.

Toen de genocide in '94 in Ruanda begon stelde een grote privé-firma genre Blackwater, voor om de orde daar te herstellen in opdracht van de VN. De VN weigerde dat, zij lieten blijkbaar liever 800 000 mensen afslachten dan beroep te doen op een huurlingenfirma (want dat zijn het eigenlijk hé).

Het voordeel van die firma's is idd dat het voor hen puur zakelijk is hé, geen gevaar voor publieke opinies zoals je dat wel hebt bij reguliere legers. Het nadeel dat vaak wordt genoemd is dat ze niet aan regels onderworpen zijn, maar als de VN duidelijke Rules of Engagement stelt en bvb onafhankelijke MP's meestuurt, kan daar toch aan tegemoetgekomen worden.

[_Yahya_]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Basy Lys

De volgelingen van Mohammed zijn verantwoordelijk voor zowat 60% van alle conflicten in de wereld, terwijl zij slechts 20% van de wereldbevolking vertegenwoordigen.

Bovendien zijn hun conflicten steeds de meest moorddadige. Het gebrek aan respect voor de mens is typisch aan elke totalitaire ideologie.

In het Zuiden van Soedan hebben die Arabieren intussen al twee miljoen doden op hun geweten (?). In Darfoer zijn ze pas begonnen.

De mensen zijn ondertussen al wakker, deze bullshit geloven ze niet meer d.w.z niemand die beetje gezond is vertrouwt nog Bush en zijn volgelingen

jihadwatch.org
faithfreedom.org
answering-islam.org
...

betalen host en domain kosten voor niks ..

1 soldaat van Bush of Stalin of Lenin of Sharun of Napoloeon of Hitler of alle imperialist leaders heeft meer gedood dan alle doden tijdens alle oorlogen die door arabieren tezamen zijn uitgevoerd. basis rekenen is simpel doet da maar ...

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fikr_El7or

De mensen zijn ondertussen al wakker, deze bullshit geloven ze niet meer d.w.z niemand die beetje gezond is vertrouwt nog Bush en zijn volgelingen

jihadwatch.org
faithfreedom.org
answering-islam.org
...

betalen host en domain kosten voor niks ..

1 soldaat van Bush of Stalin of Lenin of Sharun of Napoloeon of Hitler of alle imperialist leaders heeft meer gedood dan alle doden tijdens alle oorlogen die door arabieren tezamen zijn uitgevoerd. basis rekenen is simpel doet da maar ...

Ja,ja, vertel maar voort. Al dat gebral is vermoeiend.

Maar ondertussen plegen de Arabieren nog steeds de genocide tegen de autochtone zwarten onverminderd voort.

Tot ze allemaal uitgeroeid zijn.

[_Yahya_]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Ja,ja, vertel maar voort. Al dat gebral is vermoeiend.

Maar ondertussen plegen de Arabieren nog steeds de genocide tegen de autochtone zwarten onverminderd voort.

Tot ze allemaal uitgeroeid zijn.

Dit is de waarheid als je kunt rekenen:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fikr_El7or

De mensen zijn ondertussen al wakker, deze bullshit geloven ze niet meer d.w.z niemand die beetje gezond is vertrouwt nog Bush en zijn volgelingen

jihadwatch.org
faithfreedom.org
answering-islam.org
...

betalen host en domain kosten voor niks ..

1 soldaat van Bush of Stalin of Lenin of Sharun of Napoloeon of Hitler of alle imperialist leaders heeft meer gedood dan alle doden tijdens alle oorlogen die door arabieren tezamen zijn uitgevoerd. basis rekenen is simpel doet da maar ...

Are you talking about Darfour ??
I am going to show you the door:

In Irak they have oil. !!
In Iran oil too.. !!
Palastina Israel conflict is controlling the problems to still alive !!
In Darfour they have very usefull raw materials. !!

Arabieren zijn slachtoffer van al die krakzinnige dictaturen en klotzakken leiders (allemaal). Je moet dit goed begrijpen. !!

Waarom heb jij dit topic aangemaakt?? ==> haat zaaien tegen arabieren maar arabieren zijn zelf slachtoffer van darfour kwestie !! dit moet je goed begrijpen. !!!

Waarom heb jij dit topic aangemaakt ?? fundamentalistische christelijke als bron ?? ==> wat doen die christelijke organisaties daar ??!!!

The Dilemmas of Darfur
The Politics of Disintegration, Oil, and Foreign Intervention

What gets me really perplexed is hearing some Western politicians, their media outlets and extremists from some church groups especially in the US making strange and unreasonable distinctions between the warring groups in Darfur, Western Sudan. As they desperately try to portrait, the oppressing group is an Arab and the oppressed is an African and yet you cannot physically differentiate the so-called Arab from the African. One can easily find out that the people of both groups are equally black and share same set of Islamic beliefs. No Shia card can be played here in Darfur against Sunni one as it is in Iraq or else where. What is then the fuss behind all those noises? When will the divide and rule mentality of some Western countries come to an end and when will the heedless affected by such policies understand where they still go wrong after they were to reemerge from the effects of years of dreadful colonization and inhuman humiliation for which they have every reason and right to ask for full compensation?

Answer: http://www.islamonline.net/livedialo...GuestID=F316TD

Can you please tell me when and how the Darfur problem start, and why just after the problem with the south ended the Darfur problem start?

Answer: http://www.islamonline.net/livedialo...GuestID=4F4aWR

U.S.A zijn wel blij met dit soort problemen daarmee blijven ze de wereld bronnen controleren als leider van het kapitalisme, imperialisme heeft Afrika en derde wereld al laang leeg gezonden en kapot gemaakt en de rest gebeurt er gewoon om alles in het oog te blijven houden.

Imperialist rivalry behind the Darfur crisis
Logische analyse .. think about it and don't be blind while you can see !!

The War in Darfur – Imperialism's Cynical Hypocrisy

The U.S. role in Darfur, Sudan

Imperialism can't save Darfur

Imperialism and Sudan: same oil story

What Imperialists Don't Say: Oil is Behind Struggle in Darfur

[Den Ardennees]

Discussie goed & wel, maar intussen blijft de ellende daar maar voortduren. Waarop wacht de internationale gemeenschap eigenlijk nog om Blackwater hierop af te sturen?

[Animalman]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Den Ardennees

Discussie goed & wel, maar intussen blijft de ellende daar maar voortduren. Waarop wacht de internationale gemeenschap eigenlijk nog om Blackwater hierop af te sturen?

Een dosis realiteitszin en politieke 'cojones'. Eens de wapenindustrie zijn slag kan slaan zal het rap geklonken zijn.

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Den Ardennees

Discussie goed & wel, maar intussen blijft de ellende daar maar voortduren. Waarop wacht de internationale gemeenschap eigenlijk nog om Blackwater hierop af te sturen?

Hoezo; vermindert dan het gedoodmaak?

[Animalman]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Hoezo; vermindert dan het gedoodmaak?

Nee, maar dan sneuvelen er meer van degenen die het conflict willen dan van degenen die het conflict niet willen.

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Animalman

Nee, maar dan sneuvelen er meer van degenen die het conflict willen dan van degenen die het conflict niet willen.

Hm, van 2 kwaden het minste ... krijg je daar ook garantie op?

Ik hoop altijd op oplossingen ZONDER doodmaken.

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Den Ardennees

Discussie goed & wel, maar intussen blijft de ellende daar maar voortduren. Waarop wacht de internationale gemeenschap eigenlijk nog om Blackwater hierop af te sturen?

Concurrenten Dyncorp, PAE en MSS zitten er al een tijdje, op kosten vh State Dept:


http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11598

PAE= Pacific Architects and Engineers, a Lockheed Martin Cy
http://www.paegroup.com/overview.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp_International
http://ipoaonline.org/php/index.php?...d=48&Itemid=80
PS
ik poste het artikel hier al eens:
http://forum.politics.be/showpost.ph...&postcount=323

[filosoof]

En de reden van het (helaas zéér réële!) Darfoerdrama heeft niets met godsdienst te maken zoals de Amerikaanse protestantse zendelingen in Darfoer en het State Dept ons willen wijsmaken, maar alles met dit:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Corpwatch

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11598
the Sudan contracts are run, not by the military, but by the U.S. State Department, a civilian agency comparable to a foreign ministry in most governments.
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Some commentators point out that the United States sudden interest in Sudan may also have to do with the fact that the country has vast oil reserves, including in southern Darfur. In the early 1980s Chevron, an oil company from California, was exploring for oil in the country, but abandoned its concessions in 1985 when fighting broke out between government and rebel forces. Sudan turned over the rights to other countries and today the country exports 320,000 barrels of oil per day to China and Pakistan.

Verschillende Europese en ook Chinese firmas zijn ook zeer diep in het spel daar gemoeid (China tot bij de regering in Kartoem)
Chinezen, Amerikanen en Europeanen dus, niet Arabieren.
Elders in deze thread citeerde ik dit ruim.

[Animalman]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Hm, van 2 kwaden het minste ... krijg je daar ook garantie op?

Ik hoop altijd op oplossingen ZONDER doodmaken.

Geen garanties, en soms is er simpelweg geen alternatief.

[Den Ardennees]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Concurrenten Dyncorp, PAE en MSS zitten er al een tijdje, op kosten vh State Dept:


http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11598

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp_International
http://ipoaonline.org/php/index.php?...d=48&Itemid=80
PS
ik poste het artikel hier al eens:
http://forum.politics.be/showpost.ph...&postcount=323

ja, ze zitten daar ondersteunend. Maar zou het geen optie zijn dat de VN hen een mandaat oplegt om gewapend de vrede op te leggen? Men zou een paar landen kunnen vragen om waarnemers mee te sturen, die moeten opletten dat de private contractors wel de mensenrechten respecteren.

[filosoof]

En ondertussen herhaalt de pers hier dagelijks dat "Arabieren genocide plegen op inheemse bevolking in Darfoer", terwijl er in feite een oorlog aan de gang is ginds die weinig of niets met islam, maar alles met olie te maken heeft.

En er zijn er nog die 't slikken ook (logisch, de desinformatie is tot en mèt)

Die doden en vluchtelingen zijn er inderdaad, en 't is een verschrikking, maar de reden ervan is niet wat onze media er van maken...

Een recent artikel:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/wo...ef=todayspaper

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door the New York Times

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October 17, 2007
In Southern Darfur, Signs of Another Massacre
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
NAIROBI, Kenya, Oct. 16 — African Union and United Nations officials are looking into reports of a new massacre in Darfur, in which witnesses said Sudanese government troops and their allied militias had killed more than 30 civilians, slitting the throats of several men praying at a mosque and shooting a 5-year-old boy in the back as he tried to run away.
According to several residents of Muhagiriya, a small town in southern Darfur, two columns of uniformed government troops, along with dozens of militiamen not in uniform, surrounded the town around noon on Oct. 8 and stormed the market.
Muhagiriya was a stronghold of one of Darfur’s many rebel factions, but witnesses said that there were few rebels there at the time and that government forces turned their guns — and knives — on civilians.
Ayoub Jalal, a mechanic, said his father was praying at a mosque when soldiers burst in. “They dragged my father and the others out of the mosque and slashed their throats,” said Mr. Jalal, who was interviewed by telephone.
Both the United Nations and the African Union said that dozens of civilians had been killed and that witnesses had consistently identified the attackers as government soldiers and allied gunmen. However, neither entity said it could independently verify who was responsible.
The Sudanese government denied any involvement, but witnesses said uniformed troops methodically mowed down anyone who tried to escape, including a group of fleeing children.
“The youngest child, a 5-year-old boy, I knew well,” said Sultan Marko Niaw, a tribal elder, who also spoke by phone. He said the boy’s name was Guran Avium, adding, “A soldier had shot him in the back.”
The viciousness of the attack, as described by the witnesses and corroborated by aid organizations working in the area, seemed reminiscent of the early days of the conflict in Darfur, when government troops and allied militias slaughtered thousands of civilians, according to human rights groups. But Muhagiriya may be symptomatic of a larger problem happening now as many of Darfur’s armed groups — rebels, Arab militias and even the Sudanese military — rush to seize territory before a major peace conference later this month.
“They are all trying to reposition themselves ahead of the cease-fire talks and ahead of the discussions of who controls what,” said Sam Ibok, a senior adviser of the African Union who is closely involved with preparations for the peace talks.
Mr. Ibok said he had heard the reports of civilians being killed by government soldiers in Muhagiriya and was waiting for the African Union to conclude its inquiry. But he said the accusations were already causing grave concerns and complicating peace efforts because “people are now becoming very skeptical” and believe “that the government is not interested in peace.”
He said the descriptions of the attack fit the overall picture of Darfur these days, with rebel forces growing increasingly assertive in the weeks leading to the peace talks and the Sudanese government responding by “trying to reclaim these areas before the cease-fire.”
African Union officials are investigating accusations of another attack on civilians, in Haskanita, most of which was burned to the ground. Rebels say the government ransacked the town, killing 100 people, after a rebel attack on a nearby African Union base.
It is not clear why killing unarmed civilians would be part of this equation, but ever since the Darfur conflict exploded in western Sudan in 2003, massacres of civilians have been a recurrent theme. United Nations officials estimate that more than 200,000 people have died and more than two million have been driven from their homes.
The Sudanese government has consistently denied accusations that its forces have raided villages and killed residents, and Muhagiriya was no exception.
“That’s completely false information,” said Mohamed M. Salih, an official in the governor’s office of South Darfur, when asked about the reports. “This was internal fighting between the movements,” he added, without specifying which movements.
An African Union team that visited Muhagiriya in the days after the attack found no evidence that government helicopters had bombed and strafed the town, as some residents had claimed.
“That we can be certain about,” said Gen. Martin Luther Agwai, the top commander of the peacekeeping force in Darfur.
But as to the identities of the armed men who stormed the town, he was not so sure. “It’s true the town was razed,” he said. “It’s true people got hurt and some killed. All these are facts.”
Muhagiriya, population 23,000, is split by the same kind of ethnic tensions that have torn apart much of Darfur, namely thorny land issues between Arab nomads and non-Arab farmers. The town was controlled by the only major rebel faction to sign a peace agreement with the government in 2006. But antagonism between those two sides has been rising recently, and after the attack, aides to the faction’s leader, Minni Minnawi, said he was pulling out of the peace agreement.
Thousands of people have fled Muhagiriya and are camped around a small African Union peacekeeping base for protection.
James Smith, chief executive of the Aegis Trust, a British anti-genocide group working in the region, said villagers in Muhagiriya “confirmed to us that government and janjaweed forces deliberately attacked unarmed civilians,” referring to the Arab militias that are aligned with the government.
Solidarités, a French aid organization that distributes food in the area, said three Sudanese aid workers were killed in the attack. In a report, it also said that “many people are wounded and need medical assistance.
“Many houses and shops have been looted,” it said. “Many families lost everything.”
In separate interviews, several residents said they watched soldiers cart away their property in government trucks.
The United Nations sent an assessment team to Muhagiriya last week to take photographs of the destruction and interview villagers about the attack.
“All the I.D.P.’s,” internally displaced persons, “believe it was a joint government-militia operation,” said Radhia Achouri, a United Nations spokeswoman. “But we can’t independently confirm that.” She said that the United Nations team was looking into human rights and civilian protection issues, but that its job was not to investigate “who did what.”
The Darfur peace talks, scheduled to begin in Libya in less than two weeks, are already facing long odds.
Several rebel leaders have said they were boycotting the talks. Others cannot agree on who will represent them. Meanwhile, Darfur continues to come apart: Arab tribes have turned on one another; government troops have seized several towns; banditry is on the rise; and 10 African Union soldiers were killed last month after a rebel splinter faction overran their base.
The United Nations and African Union are expanding the peacekeeping force to 26,000 soldiers from 7,000, and more peacekeepers will begin arriving soon. But there must be a peace to keep — which is why the Libya talks are so crucial.
“There’s a lot of skepticism as to whether these talks will happen at all,” Mr. Ibok, the African Union adviser, said, adding that the United Nations and African Union were committed to holding the talks on time.
A further snag is that the peace treaty that ended the civil war in southern Sudan, which is seen as a blueprint for ending the war in Darfur, seems to be on the verge of collapse. Last week, the former southern rebels who made peace with Sudan’s governing party in 2005 pulled out of the national unity government in protest. The war in the south killed an estimated 2.2 million people. Sudan’s ruling party, led by President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, indicated Tuesday that it was ready to discuss the southerners’ demands.
At the same time, the former rebels in the south are holding a meeting for Darfur’s rebel leaders to prepare them for the coming talks in Libya. Several Darfur rebel leaders have said they are not ready to negotiate with the government and first need to solve internal differences.
A reporter in Darfur contributed to this article.

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

..was praying at a mosque when soldiers burst in....
...slitting the throats of several men praying at a mosque

Christenen? Animisten? "praying at a mosque" Ach zo...


Niemand zal ontkennen dat er gemoord wordt op een afschuwelijke wijze, maar wat ginds gebeurt hier voorstellen als een (godsdienst)oorlog van moslims tegen christenen en animisten is dus duidelijk een verkeerde voorstelling van de feiten
(verkeerde voorstelling die idd. in de hand gewerkt door de blanketnaam "Arabs" die aan sommigen gegeven wordt)

Uiteraard zullen er ook christenen en animisten tussen de slachtoffers zijn in deze burgeroorlog.