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spherelike · 30 oktober 2008, 08:04

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Moet ik herhalen?

Neen, dank u , bespaart u me alstublieft de herhaling van uw gefundeerd, en vooral met voorbeelden onderbouwd en ruim aan de realiteit afgetoetst stanpunt.
Zelfs een weldenkende patroon zou dergelijke gang van zaken niet apprecieren, en overleg verkiezen boven het gewoon zonder meer opstappen van zijn werknemers omdat iets hun niet aanstaat, of er elders iets meer betaald wordt.

Erw · 30 oktober 2008, 18:47

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Doet allemaal niet ter zake. Kapitalisme heeft werkloosheid nodig, anders worden de werknemers te machtig.

Kapitalisme heeft ook werkgelegenheid nodig anders worden de werkgevers te machtig.
Leg de twee nu samen.
Ziedaar: het volledige beeld van kapitalisme / vrije markt.
Een systeem dat zichzelf corrigeert.
Oplichters zoals jij vertellen natuurlijk maar het halve verhaaltje nietwaar?

Erw · 30 oktober 2008, 18:55

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Neen, dank u , bespaart u me alstublieft de herhaling van uw gefundeerd, en vooral met voorbeelden onderbouwd en ruim aan de realiteit afgetoetst stanpunt.

Bespaart u me astublieft uw argumentloze blabla.

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Zelfs een weldenkende patroon zou dergelijke gang van zaken niet apprecieren, en overleg verkiezen boven het gewoon zonder meer opstappen van zijn werknemers omdat iets hun niet aanstaat, of er elders iets meer betaald wordt.

Weldenkende werkgever?
Soms.
Weldenkende werknemer?
Soms.

De eigenschap 'weldenkendheid' impliceert akkoord noch niet akkoord.
En ik had het over niet-akkoord.
Je argument is dus waardeloos in deze kwestie.
Waardoor jij opnieuw dit krijgt:
Als een economie werk heeft voor iedereen, en je bent niet content met je werkgever, waarom zou je dan vakbond inschakelen om toch bij je werkgever te kunnen blijven?

ccalbergg · 30 oktober 2008, 19:07

anna list , je bent gelijk anke veel beblaat , wat beledigingen strooien en je staat weer in de belangstelling! en ben jij dan zo ongebonden ? in geen enkele post heb je ooit nog maar 1 lettertje kritiek gegeven op het Belang en zijn leiders!of is het gewoon een lage manier van het belang om hun tegenpolen in een slecht daglicht te stellen zoals " post van gewone mensen " , in navolging van hun lezersbrievenbombardement. speel het spel eerlijk en met open vizier, dan pas ben je waardig vlaming te zijn !

Pelgrim · 30 oktober 2008, 19:19

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Kapitalisme heeft ook werkgelegenheid nodig anders worden de werkgevers te machtig.

Datheeft helemaal niets te maken met wat ik zei, kapitalisme heeft geen werkgelegenheid nodig om de werkgevers onder controle te houden aangezien kapitalisme de werkgevers zijn. Wat jij zegt houdt semantisch zelfs geen enkele steek.

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Een systeem dat zichzelf corrigeert.

het corrigeert zichzelf niet hoor, het moet gecorrigeerd worden, anders stort het in elkaar.

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Oplichters zoals jij

Zo weten we ook weer wat voor intellectueel niveau jij hebt.

HAMC · 30 oktober 2008, 20:30

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anna list , je bent gelijk anke veel beblaat , wat beledigingen strooien en je staat weer in de belangstelling! en ben jij dan zo ongebonden ? in geen enkele post heb je ooit nog maar 1 lettertje kritiek gegeven op het Belang en zijn leiders!of is het gewoon een lage manier van het belang om hun tegenpolen in een slecht daglicht te stellen zoals " post van gewone mensen " , in navolging van hun lezersbrievenbombardement. speel het spel eerlijk en met open vizier, dan pas ben je waardig vlaming te zijn !

Van die voorwaarden om Vlaming te kunnen zijn had ik nog niet gehoord, wie heeft die opgesteld?

De Garde · 2 november 2008, 19:49

Kwestie van de gang van zaken elders eens te bekijken:

November 02, 2008
Unions call for right to expel BNP members
Posted by Antifascist 0 Comment (s)
Fear of election gains sparks a bid to alter the law

Trade unions want the right under UK law to expel British National Party activists - and deny them membership - as part of Labour plans to check the electoral advance of the far right.

Labour backbenchers, supported by all the biggest unions, will unveil the plan on Tuesday when they put forward an amendment to the Employment Bill that would allow them to ban racists. The proposal - labelled 'Stalinist' by the BNP - comes amid concern that it could win as many as three seats in next year's European Parliament elections and make strong gains in council elections.

Labour MPs, many of whom feel threatened by the BNP's advances in their constituencies, are concerned that the party is encouraging activists to infiltrate unions in order to spread subversive, racist messages in the workplace.

Tony Lloyd, chairman of the trades union group of Labour MPs who has tabled the amendment, said it was vital that unions had the right to get rid of people working directly against their aims: 'What the unions are absolutely right to demand is the right to kick racists out of their organisations.'

Until now unions have had to work under a legal framework set down under the Thatcher government in the early 1990s which prevented them from excluding people because of their membership of a particular political party. The Tory rules were seen at the time as a ploy to prevent unions from excluding or expelling those who broke strikes or were Conservative party members.

But the government has to bring UK law into line with European law after Aslef, the train drivers' union, won a landmark case in the European Court of Human Rights which upheld its right to expel a driver who was a BNP activist.

A spokesman for Thompsons solicitors, the trades union law firm, said: 'The amendment would mean a union could expel or deny membership to someone whose membership of a political party runs contrary to the union's rule book.'

The BNP has 10,000 members across Britain and 46 councillors. Labour is worried that under the proportional representation system that will be used in European parliamentary elections next June it could secure seats in three of the 12 regions.

Experts say that, under the list system, the BNP would need as little as 7.5 per cent of the vote in northwest England and only 11 per cent in Yorkshire and the West Midlands to install Euro-MPs in the Brussels and Strasbourg parliament. Labour also fears the BNP could become the largest party in two councils - Barking and Dagenham in Essex and Stoke-on-Trent - in next year's council elections if its anti-foreigner rhetoric struck a chord during the recession.

MPs, anti-BNP campaigners and lawyers say the bill as recently amended in the Lords would leave the law in limbo and not guarantee the right of a union to eject BNP members. Nick Lowles, director of the anti-fascist group Searchlight, said: 'The current wording of the Employment Bill leaves us in the worst of all worlds. Aslef would still not be able to expel Jay Lee [the BNP member at the centre of the original European Court ruling] and unions would be left open to further legal action from the BNP.'

Lowles said the amendment would give clarity, letting unions discipline and, where necessary, get rid of individual members for activities contrary to a union's rules and constitution.

A Department for Business spokesman said: 'This is a very delicate issue that involves people's rights to freedom of association and their political beliefs. The government's approach will strike a balance between these rights. Our present position is in line with the cross-party opinion in the Lords and Parliament's Joint Committee on Human Rights.'

Observer

bron: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/

30 oktober 2008, 19:07	#184
ccalbergg Provinciaal Gedeputeerde Geregistreerd: 20 juni 2007 Locatie: gent Berichten: 803	anna list , je bent gelijk anke veel beblaat , wat beledigingen strooien en je staat weer in de belangstelling! en ben jij dan zo ongebonden ? in geen enkele post heb je ooit nog maar 1 lettertje kritiek gegeven op het Belang en zijn leiders!of is het gewoon een lage manier van het belang om hun tegenpolen in een slecht daglicht te stellen zoals " post van gewone mensen " , in navolging van hun lezersbrievenbombardement. speel het spel eerlijk en met open vizier, dan pas ben je waardig vlaming te zijn !

2 november 2008, 19:49	#187
De Garde Europees Commissaris Geregistreerd: 26 januari 2004 Locatie: Meetjesland Berichten: 6.889	Kwestie van de gang van zaken elders eens te bekijken: November 02, 2008 Unions call for right to expel BNP members Posted by Antifascist 0 Comment (s) Fear of election gains sparks a bid to alter the law Trade unions want the right under UK law to expel British National Party activists - and deny them membership - as part of Labour plans to check the electoral advance of the far right. Labour backbenchers, supported by all the biggest unions, will unveil the plan on Tuesday when they put forward an amendment to the Employment Bill that would allow them to ban racists. The proposal - labelled 'Stalinist' by the BNP - comes amid concern that it could win as many as three seats in next year's European Parliament elections and make strong gains in council elections. Labour MPs, many of whom feel threatened by the BNP's advances in their constituencies, are concerned that the party is encouraging activists to infiltrate unions in order to spread subversive, racist messages in the workplace. Tony Lloyd, chairman of the trades union group of Labour MPs who has tabled the amendment, said it was vital that unions had the right to get rid of people working directly against their aims: 'What the unions are absolutely right to demand is the right to kick racists out of their organisations.' Until now unions have had to work under a legal framework set down under the Thatcher government in the early 1990s which prevented them from excluding people because of their membership of a particular political party. The Tory rules were seen at the time as a ploy to prevent unions from excluding or expelling those who broke strikes or were Conservative party members. But the government has to bring UK law into line with European law after Aslef, the train drivers' union, won a landmark case in the European Court of Human Rights which upheld its right to expel a driver who was a BNP activist. A spokesman for Thompsons solicitors, the trades union law firm, said: 'The amendment would mean a union could expel or deny membership to someone whose membership of a political party runs contrary to the union's rule book.' The BNP has 10,000 members across Britain and 46 councillors. Labour is worried that under the proportional representation system that will be used in European parliamentary elections next June it could secure seats in three of the 12 regions. Experts say that, under the list system, the BNP would need as little as 7.5 per cent of the vote in northwest England and only 11 per cent in Yorkshire and the West Midlands to install Euro-MPs in the Brussels and Strasbourg parliament. Labour also fears the BNP could become the largest party in two councils - Barking and Dagenham in Essex and Stoke-on-Trent - in next year's council elections if its anti-foreigner rhetoric struck a chord during the recession. MPs, anti-BNP campaigners and lawyers say the bill as recently amended in the Lords would leave the law in limbo and not guarantee the right of a union to eject BNP members. Nick Lowles, director of the anti-fascist group Searchlight, said: 'The current wording of the Employment Bill leaves us in the worst of all worlds. Aslef would still not be able to expel Jay Lee [the BNP member at the centre of the original European Court ruling] and unions would be left open to further legal action from the BNP.' Lowles said the amendment would give clarity, letting unions discipline and, where necessary, get rid of individual members for activities contrary to a union's rules and constitution. A Department for Business spokesman said: 'This is a very delicate issue that involves people's rights to freedom of association and their political beliefs. The government's approach will strike a balance between these rights. Our present position is in line with the cross-party opinion in the Lords and Parliament's Joint Committee on Human Rights.' Observer bron: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/