Rusland gaat 15.000 Boeren laten immigreren

[Bovenbuur]

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Lol. Ik bedoel de berbers en Turken onteigenen

Oooooh, je wil alleen de grond van zijn buurman hebben. Nee, dat maakt de zaak compleet anders.

[Skobelev]

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Oooooh, je wil alleen de grond van zijn buurman hebben. Nee, dat maakt de zaak compleet anders.

Ik een Turkse of Berberse buurman? Ik denk het niet.

[Libro]

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Dat is idd wraakroepend en zelfs schandalig te noemen.

Maar.... hoe zijn die blanke boeren aan hun land geraakt indertijd ?

Ik ruik in heel deze zaak één woordje, en dat is 'wraak'.
En ik denk dat ik er niet ver naast zit.
Maar dat wil nu ook niet zeggen dat ik dit nu ook goedkeur. Verre van.
Wel kan ik het voor een stuk begrijpen.
Hoe zou je zelf zijn ?

Ik kan dat in deze zin begrijpen dat ik hetzelfde met Europa zie gebeuren als we niet snel onze grenzen sluiten. Dan gaan wij verplicht zijn om wraak te nemen op de "illegalen" . Maar weet wel dit: de Zulu zijn pas 200 jaar na de eerste Nederlander geland. Zulu hebben geen enkele historische aanspraak op het land maar doen nu of ze heer en meester zijn. Denk eens buiten de lijntjes en stel u blanken voor, die een soort Nederlands spreken en toch aanspraken hebben op Afrikaans grondgebied.

[djimi]

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... de Zulu zijn pas 200 jaar na de eerste Nederlander geland. Zulu hebben geen enkele historische aanspraak op het land maar doen nu of ze heer en meester zijn...

Het is toch nét iets ingewikkelder dan dat, me dunkt.
In het noorden van het huidige Zuid-Afrika waren al Zulu aanwezig toen de Hollanders op Kaap De Goede Hoop aankwamen en de (wijde) omgeving van 'Kaapstad' begonnen te koloniseren. De Hollanders ontmoetten daar kleine groepen KhoiKhoi en San (ook bekend als "Hottentotten" en "Bosjesmannen"), die al vrij snel ofwel massaal stierven (oorlog en ziekte), ofwel verjaagd werden, ofwel 'geassimileerd'.
Op de Kaap en in de wijde omgeving ervan waren echter nog géén Zulu of aanverwante Bantoe-stammen te zien geweest.

<<...

c. 1000 BC to c. AD 500

It seems likely that the expansion of the Bantu-speaking people from their core region in West Africa began around 1000 BC. Although early models posited that the early speakers were both iron-using and agricultural, archaeology has shown that they did not use iron until as late as 400 BC, though they were agricultural.
The western branch, not necessarily linguistically distinct, according to Christopher Ehret, followed the coast and the major rivers of the Congo system southward, reaching central Angola by around 500 BC.

It is clear that there were human populations in the region at the time of the expansion, and pygmies are their purer descendants. However, mtDNA genetic research from Cabinda suggests that only haplogroups that originated in West Africa are found there today, and the distinctive L0 of the pre-Bantu population is missing, suggesting that there was a complete population replacement. In South Africa, however, a more complex intermixing could have taken place.

Further east, Bantu-speaking communities had reached the great Central African rainforest, and by 500 BC, pioneering groups had emerged into the savannas to the south, in what are now the Democratic Republic of Congo, Angola, and Zambia.

Another stream of migration, moving east by 3,000 years ago (1000 BC), was creating a major new population center near the Great Lakes of East Africa, where a rich environment supported a dense population. Movements by small groups to the southeast from the Great Lakes region were more rapid, with initial settlements widely dispersed near the coast and near rivers, due to comparatively harsh farming conditions in areas further from water. Pioneering groups had reached modern KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa by AD 300 along the coast, and the modern Limpopo Province (formerly Northern Transvaal) by AD 500.


From the 13th century to 17th century

Between the 13th and 15th centuries, the relatively powerful Bantu-speaking states on a scale larger than local chiefdoms began to emerge, in the Great Lakes region, in the savanna south of the Central African rainforest, and on the Zambezi river where the Monomatapa kings built the famous Great Zimbabwe complex. Such processes of state-formation occurred with increasing frequency from the 16th century onward. They were probably due to denser population, which led to more specialised divisions of labour, including military power, while making outmigration more difficult. Other factors were increased trade among African communities and with European, and Arab traders on the coasts; technological developments in economic activity, and new techniques in the political-spiritual ritualisation of royalty as the source of national strength and health.


Rise of the Zulu Empire (18th–19th centuries)

By the time Great Zimbabwe had ceased being the capital of a large trading empire, speakers of Bantu languages were present throughout much of southern Africa. Two main groups developed: the Nguni (Xhosa, Zulu, Swazi) who occupied the eastern coastal plains and the Sotho–Tswana who lived on the interior plateau.

In the late 18th and early 19th century, two major events occurred. The Trekboers were colonizing new areas of southern Africa, moving northeast from the Cape Colony, and they came into contact with the Xhosa, the Southern Nguni. At the same time major events were taking place further north in modern-day KwaZulu-Natal. At that time the area was populated by dozens of small clans, one of which was the Zulu, then a particularly small clan of no local distinction whatsoever. In 1816 Shaka acceded to the Zulu throne. Within a year he had conquered the neighboring clans, and had made the Zulu into the most important ally of the large Mtetwa clan, which was in competition with the Ndwandwe clan for domination of the northern part of modern-day KwaZulu-Natal.
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Zie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion


De Zulu kunnen m.i. wél met evenveel recht en reden als de "Boere" aanspraak maken op bepaalde gebieden in Zuid-Afrika, maar ze zullen net als de "Boere" het land in z'n geheel moeten delen met andere volkeren.

Het valt echter niet te ontkennen dat de Zulu een heuse traditie van 'imperialisme' achter de rug hebben, én koesteren.

Ze zijn zowat (naar keuze) de Angelsaksen, de Japanners, de Pruisen, de Romeinen of de Turken van Zuid-Oostelijk Afrika.

Ik acht het dan ook hoogst onwaarschijnlijk dat er een vreedzame oplossing voor de conflicten zal worden gevonden.

[ViveLaBelgique]

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<<... The historical record of this ethnically diverse country is generally divided into five distinct periods: the pre-colonial era, the colonial era, the post-colonial and apartheid eras, and the post-apartheid era. Much of this history, particularly of the colonial and post-colonial eras, is characterised by clashes of culture, violent territorial disputes between European settlers and indigenous people, dispossession and repression, and other racial and political tensions... >>


<<... The establishment of the staging post by the Dutch East India Company at the Cape in 1652 soon brought the Khoikhoi into conflict with Dutch settlers over land ownership. Cattle rustling and livestock theft ensued, with the Khoikhoi being ultimately expelled from the peninsula by force, after a succession of wars. The first Khoikhoi–Dutch War broke out in 1659, the second in 1673, and the third 1674–1677. By the time of their defeat and expulsion from the Cape Peninsula and surrounding districts, the Khoikhoi population was decimated by a smallpox epidemic, against which the Khoikhoi had no natural resistance or indigenous medicines. The disease had been brought to the Cape by Dutch sailors... >>


<<... Van Riebeeck considered it impolitic to enslave the local Khoi and San aboriginals, so the VOC began to import large numbers of slaves, primarily from the Dutch colonies in Indonesia. Eventually, van Riebeeck and the VOC began to make indentured servants out of the Khoikhoi and the San. The offspring from miscegenation between the Dutch settlers and the Khoi-San and Malay slaves became known officially as the Cape Coloureds and the Cape Malays, respectively. A significant number of the offspring from the white and slave unions were absorbed into the local proto-Afrikaans speaking white population. The racially mixed genealogical origins of many so-called "white" South Africans have been traced to interracial unions at the Cape between the European occupying population and imported Asian and African slaves, the indigenous Khoi and San, and their vari-hued offspring. Simon van der Stel, the first Governor of the Dutch settlement, famous for his development of the lucrative South African wine industry, was himself of mixed race-origin... >>


<<... By the late 1700s, the Cape Colony population had grown to include a large number of mixed-race so-called "coloureds" who were the offspring of extensive interracial relations between white, male Dutch settlers, Khoikhoi females, and female slaves imported from Dutch colonies in the East. Members of this mixed-race community formed the core of what was to become the Griqua people.

Under the leadership of a former slave named Adam Kok, these "coloureds" or Basters (meaning Bastards) as they were named by the Dutch, started trekking northward into the interior, through what is today named Northern Cape Province. The trek of the Griquas to escape the influence of the Cape Colony has been described as "one of the great epics of the 19th century." They were joined on their long journey by a number of San and Khoikhoi aboriginals, local African tribesmen, and also some white renegades. Around 1800, they started crossing the northern frontier formed by the Orange River, arriving ultimately in an uninhabited area, which they named Griqualand... >>


En nu?

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[ViveLaBelgique]

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FTFY. Omdat je zo'n fan van een extra punt en hoofdletter bent.

Bedankt voor de verduidelijking. Ik denk dat nu jouw redenering begrijp. Een zin beginnen met "en" kreeg in mijn middelbaar een omcirkeling met rode balpen. Opsommingen kan je het beste einde met "of" of "en". Als je opsommingen eindigt met "of" én "en" moet je haakjes plaatsen volgens wiskundige logica-regels.

[ViveLaBelgique]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Erw

Ik zou niet zomaar geloven wat die ineenknutselen.
Heb al teveel knutselwerkjes als dusdanig ontmaskerd.

Ze geven inderdaad opinies weer. De feitelijke opbouw van die opinies is soms nogal met de haren getrokken. Ik bekijk regelmatig de bronartikels van de website Zerohedge.

[djimi]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ViveLaBelgique

Bron van bovenstaande citaten ?

Ik had die al gegeven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa

U beweerde dat u niks vond.

[Frankenstein]

Het is toch gdv een schandaal dat ik dit nieuws van RT.com moet halen; waar is MSM; heeft er alles van alsof ze omgekocht zijn om het negertje niet op de tenen te trappen.