Wanneer de Petroeuros ?

[Micele]

Waar het werkelijk om gaat bij de pogingen tot totale regime change in het Midden-Oosten en andere aardolie/aardgas - exporterende (Moslim)landen.

Wie gelooft er echt nog het verhaal van War on Terror ?

Is al een oud media bericht van okt 2009, maar nog steeds heel treffend, en meer actueel dan ooit, want de economische opgang van de grote groeilanden duurt steeds verder, en within nine years is tot 2018...


voorweg citeer ik de laatste alinea:

Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

The demise of the dollar

In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

By Robert Fisk Tuesday 06 October 2009

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

The Americans, who are aware the meetings have taken place – although they have not discovered the details – are sure to fight this international cabal which will include hitherto loyal allies Japan and the Gulf Arabs. Against the background to these currency meetings, Sun Bigan, China's former special envoy to the Middle East, has warned there is a risk of deepening divisions between China and the US over influence and oil in the Middle East. "Bilateral quarrels and clashes are unavoidable," he told the Asia and Africa Review. "We cannot lower vigilance against hostility in the Middle East over energy interests and security."

This sounds like a dangerous prediction of a future economic war between the US and China over Middle East oil – yet again turning the region's conflicts into a battle for great power supremacy. China uses more oil incrementally than the US because its growth is less energy efficient. The transitional currency in the move away from dollars, according to Chinese banking sources, may well be gold. An indication of the huge amounts involved can be gained from the wealth of Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar who together hold an estimated $2.1 trillion in dollar reserves.

The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," he said in Istanbul ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank. But it is China's extraordinary new financial power – along with past anger among oil-producing and oil-consuming nations at America's power to interfere in the international financial system – which has prompted the latest discussions involving the Gulf states.

Brazil has shown interest in collaborating in non-dollar oil payments, along with India. Indeed, China appears to be the most enthusiastic of all the financial powers involved, not least because of its enormous trade with the Middle East.

China imports 60 per cent of its oil, much of it from the Middle East and Russia. The Chinese have oil production concessions in Iraq – blocked by the US until this year – and since 2008 have held an $8bn agreement with Iran to develop refining capacity and gas resources. China has oil deals in Sudan (where it has substituted for US interests) and has been negotiating for oil concessions with Libya, where all such contracts are joint ventures.

Furthermore, Chinese exports to the region now account for no fewer than 10 per cent of the imports of every country in the Middle East, including a huge range of products from cars to weapon systems, food, clothes, even dolls. In a clear sign of China's growing financial muscle, the president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet, yesterday pleaded with Beijing to let the yuan appreciate against a sliding dollar and, by extension, loosen China's reliance on US monetary policy, to help rebalance the world economy and ease upward pressure on the euro.

Ever since the Bretton Woods agreements – the accords after the Second World War which bequeathed the architecture for the modern international financial system – America's trading partners have been left to cope with the impact of Washington's control and, in more recent years, the hegemony of the dollar as the dominant global reserve currency.

The Chinese believe, for example, that the Americans persuaded Britain to stay out of the euro in order to prevent an earlier move away from the dollar. But Chinese banking sources say their discussions have gone too far to be blocked now. "The Russians will eventually bring in the rouble to the basket of currencies," a prominent Hong Kong broker told The Independent. "The Brits are stuck in the middle and will come into the euro. They have no choice because they won't be able to use the US dollar."

Chinese financial sources believe President Barack Obama is too busy fixing the US economy to concentrate on the extraordinary implications of the transition from the dollar in nine years' time. The current deadline for the currency transition is 2018.

The US discussed the trend briefly at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh; the Chinese Central Bank governor and other officials have been worrying aloud about the dollar for years. Their problem is that much of their national wealth is tied up in dollar assets.

"These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

Read also:

•'China will overtake America, the only question is when'
•'The end of the dollar spells the rise of a new order'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...r-1798175.html

En dat Ghaddafi al veel langer geen Petrodollars wou (zelfs voor gans Afrika) weet men ook:

http://thedailybell.com/2226/Real-Ca...-Currency.html

Real Cause for Gaddafi's Expulsion: Wanted Gold Currency?

Thursday, May 05, 2011 – by Russia Today

Some believe it [the NATO/US-led Libyan invasion] is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi's plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth.

Gaddafi did not give up. In the months leading up to the military intervention, he called on African and Muslim nations to join together to create this new currency that would rival the dollar and euro. They would sell oil and other resources around the world only for gold dinars.

It is an idea that would shift the economic balance of the world.

"If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks," says Anthony Wile, founder and Chief Editor of the Daily Bell.

"So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."

And it has happened before.

In 2000, Saddam Hussein announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Some say sanctions and an invasion followed because the Americans were desperate to prevent OPEC from transferring oil trading in all its member countries to the euro.

A gold dinar would have had serious consequences for the world financial system, but may also have empowered the people of Africa, something black activists say the US wants to avoid at all costs.

Some say the US and its NATO allies literally could not afford to let that happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=GuqZfaj34nc#!

[Micele]

En wie A zegt moet B zeggen, hiervoor leen ik even een VS-site:

2/8/2012

Who Wants a War with Iran?

Written by: Patrick J Buchanan

Appearing alongside CIA Director David Petraeus before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence last week, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, said of Iran:

“We don’t believe they’ve actually made the decision to go ahead with a nuclear weapon.”

Before the hearing, as James Fallows of The Atlantic reports, Clapper released his “Worldwide Threat Assessment.” It read, “We do not know … if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons.”

Clapper thus reaffirmed the assessment of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies in 2007, reportedly repeated in 2011, that the U.S. does not believe that Iran has decided to become a nuclear weapons state.

In December, when Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said that if Iran went all out, it might be able to build a nuclear weapon in a year, Pentagon spokesman George Little hastily clarified his comments:

“The secretary was clear that we have no indication that the Iranians have made a decision to develop a nuclear weapon.”
On Jan. 8, Panetta himself told CBS:

“(Is Iran) trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they’re trying to develop a nuclear capability. And that’s what concerns us. And our redline to Iran is: Do not develop a nuclear weapon.”

On Super Bowl Sunday, President Barack Obama told NBC’s Matt Lauer that he hopes to solve the Iranian problem “diplomatically.”

From the above, we may conclude that the administration does not believe that Iran has crossed any redline on the nuclear issue — and President Obama does not want war with Iran.

Who, then, does want war? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei? Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

From their actions, it would appear not. If Iran wanted war with the United States, any terror attack inside this country or on U.S. forces in Iraq or Afghanistan could bring that about in an afternoon.

Expulsion of the International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors from the Natanz enrichment facility, covering up the IAEA cameras, breaking the seals on the low-enriched uranium stockpiled there, or removing the LEU would be a fire bell for the Pentagon.

But the IAEA inspectors and LEU are still there.

When the alleged plot by a used-car salesman in Texas to hire Mexican cartel criminals to blow up a D.C. restaurant and kill the Saudi ambassador was revealed, Iran denied it emphatically and demanded to interview the alleged mastermind.

Moreover, Tehran has yet to retaliate for the assassinations of five of its nuclear scientists and four terror attacks by Jundallah in Sistan-Baluchistan and PJAK, a Kurdish terrorist organization operating out of Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran has alleged Western and Israeli involvement in these attacks.

Now that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has denied any U.S. involvement, Mossad is the prime suspect behind the killing of the nuclear scientists. And U.S. writer Mark Perry, in Foreign Policy, alleges that Mossad agents posed as CIA and used U.S. dollars in London to recruit Jundallah.

If this is true, this would be a false flag operation to provoke Iran into lashing out at America. Apparently, Iran did not take the bait.

Why have the Iranians not followed through on their threat to close the Strait of Hormuz and begun to dial it back?

War with the United States would be a disaster. Though the Tehran regime might survive — as Saddam Hussein’s survived Desert Storm — Iran’s navy, most of its armor, anti-aircraft and anti-ship defenses, and its strategic missile force would be destroyed, as would much of the country’s infrastructure. Iran would be set back years.

Who, then, wants war with Iran?

All those who would like to see exactly that happen to Iran.

And who are they? The Netanyahu government and its echo chamber in U.S. politics and media, the neoconservatives, members of Congress, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

And as the Obama administration is the major force in U.S. politics opposed to war with Iran, its defeat in November would increase, to near certitude, the probability of a U.S. war with Iran in 2013.

Yet if the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence community are correct — Iran does not have a bomb and has not decided to build a bomb — why should we go to war with Iran?

Answer: Iran represents “an existential threat” to Israel.

But Israel has 200 atomic bombs and three ways to deliver them, while Iran has never built, tested or weaponized a nuclear device. Who is the existential threat to whom here?

And though a U.S. war on Iran would be calamitous for Iran, it would be no cakewalk for Americans, who could become terrorist targets for years in the Gulf, Afghanistan, Baghdad’s Green Zone, Lebanon and even here in the USA.

Year 2012 is thus shaping up as a war-or-peace election, with Republicans the war party and Democrats the peace-and-diplomacy party.

And as the months pass between now and November, this will become clear to the nation.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/256...tml#more-25610

M.a.w. als "de VS" zijn petrodollar nog (veel) langer wil behouden, ligt het vooral aan hun.

[filosoof]

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En wie A zegt moet B zeggen, hiervoor leen ik even een VS-site:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/256...tml#more-25610

M.a.w. als "de VS" zijn petrodollar nog (veel) langer wil behouden, ligt het vooral aan hun.

Je bron, davidduke.com...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door wikipedia

David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan an American activist and writer, and former Republican Louisiana State Representative. He was also a former candidate in the Republican presidential primaries in 1992, and in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1988. Duke has unsuccessfully run for the Louisiana State Senate, U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, and Governor of Louisiana.
A former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan,[4][5] Duke describes himself as a racial realist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

http://whois.domaintools.com/davidduke.com

[Antoon]

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Wanneer de Petroeuros

Eerst zien of de gewone euros uberhaupt overleven.

[Zwitser]

Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

Je kan in elke olieproducerende land olie kopen en in Euros afrekenen. Zelfs in de VS... Wat is je punt?

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Je bron, davidduke.com...

Dat is de site, de bron is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan

Who Wants a War with Iran?

Written by: Patrick J Buchanan

Staan er leugens in ?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

Answer: Iran represents “an existential threat” to Israel.

But Israel has 200 atomic bombs and three ways to deliver them, while Iran has never built, tested or weaponized a nuclear device. Who is the existential threat to whom here?

Dat Israel atoombommen heeft is geen "existentiële bedreiging" voor Iran. Israël streeft namelijk niet de vernietiging van Iran na. Er is ook weinig dat Iran belet om normale relaties met Israël te onderhouden, zoals bijvoorbeeld ook Egypte en Jordanië dat doen, landen die zich ook niet in hun bestaan bedreigde hoeven te voelen door Israël.

[Micele]

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Je kan in elke olieproducerende land olie kopen en in Euros afrekenen. Zelfs in de VS... Wat is je punt?

Ik heb geen punt, maar blijkbaar hebben andere dat wel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare

[Antoon]

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Dat Israel atoombommen heeft is geen "existentiële bedreiging" voor Iran. Israël streeft namelijk niet de vernietiging van Iran na. Er is ook weinig dat Iran belet om normale relaties met Israël te onderhouden, zoals bijvoorbeeld ook Egypte en Jordanië dat doen, landen die zich ook niet in hun bestaan bedreigde hoeven te voelen door Israël.

U zal de onvoorwaardelijke Israel-bashers en de rabiate antisemieten nooit kunnen overtuigen, zelfs met deze nuchtere en concrete feiten.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zwitser

Dat Israel atoombommen heeft is geen "existentiële bedreiging" voor Iran. Israël streeft namelijk niet de vernietiging van Iran na. Er is ook weinig dat Iran belet om normale relaties met Israël te onderhouden, zoals bijvoorbeeld ook Egypte en Jordanië dat doen, landen die zich ook niet in hun bestaan bedreigde hoeven te voelen door Israël.

En wat is uw punt ?

Iran heeft dat immers ook niet (ze hebben zelfs geen atoombommen, en laten permanent ispecties toe in hun kerncentrales), waarom moeit Israel/VS zich dan met Iran ?

Of bestaan er geen Israelische spionnen en CIA-spionnen in Iran ?
Of bestaan er geen gehuurde terroristen in Iran ?

Moreover, Tehran has yet to retaliate for the assassinations of five of its nuclear scientists and four terror attacks by Jundallah in Sistan-Baluchistan and PJAK, a Kurdish terrorist organization operating out of Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran has alleged Western and Israeli involvement in these attacks.

Now that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has denied any U.S. involvement, Mossad is the prime suspect behind the killing of the nuclear scientists. And U.S. writer Mark Perry, in Foreign Policy, alleges that Mossad agents posed as CIA and used U.S. dollars in London to recruit Jundallah.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschundollah

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Ik heb geen punt, maar blijkbaar hebben andere dat wel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare

The phrase petrodollar warfare refers to a hypothesis that one of the driving forces of United States foreign policy over recent decades[when?] has been the status of the United States dollar as the world's dominant reserve currency and as the currency in which oil is priced.

Het feit dat er een wikipedia artikel bestaat dat beschrijft dat er een hypothese bestaat die door sommige geloofwaardig gevonden wordt bewijst niks over het geldig zijn van de hypothese.

Ik vindt zelf de argumentatie zwak. Het feit dat olie op de beursen in dollar genoteerd wordt betekent nog helemaal niet dat je bijvoorbeeld dollar reserves moet aanhouden om olie te kunnen kopen. Ik kan morgen zonder problemen zoveel olie kopen als ik kan betalen zonder dollars achter de hand te hebben.

De hele "petrodollar warfare" hypothese is een typisch voorbeeld van een meme dat zijn verspreiding vooral aan de wereldwijde vooringenomenheid jegens de VS te danken heeft.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Je bron, davidduke.com...

Heeft meer dan eens gelijk.

CIA Official Confirms Duke Was Right

By David Duke

Broadcast of 6-29-2004

The media never tires of telling you what a bad guy I am, in fact it seems these days that they use my name pejoratively for everything that is wrong in America. Any Google news search will show that hardly a day goes by when a media hack doesn’t take my name in vain.

But, it is interesting when a government insider offers evidence that this guy who everybody loves to hate was clearly right on a major issue.

Most Americans and just about 99 percent of the rest of the world now realize that the Iraq War was a huge mistake, one that has not only cost America an enormous price in money and blood, but one that will only fuel more hatred and terrorism against our nation.

At this moment our brave young soldiers are enduring terrible personal sacrifices, danger, and sometimes even disfigurement and death in a contrived war not for America but for the state of Israel. To get us into this Jewish holy war against Israel’s long-time enemy, Saddam Hussein, Americans had to be lied to on a massive scale. We were told that Saddam Hussein was connected to the horrible 911 attacks, that he was an ally to Al Qaeda, and that he had huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. We were told that he was an imminent danger to America. I could go on and on.

In reality, none of this was true. Even the 911 government commission formally stated that Saddam had no connection whatsoever with the 911 attacks. On June 27th a major article in the Washington Post by Walter Pincus reported on a new book by a prominent official, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who occupies a senior position in counterterrorism. He served as chief of the bin Laden station from 1996 to 1999. The article is: FROM INSIDE THE CIA

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zwitser

Het feit dat er een wikipedia artikel bestaat dat beschrijft dat er een hypothese bestaat die door sommige geloofwaardig gevonden wordt bewijst niks over het geldig zijn van de hypothese.

Ik vindt zelf de argumentatie zwak. Het feit dat olie op de beursen in dollar genoteerd wordt betekent nog helemaal niet dat je bijvoorbeeld dollar reserves moet aanhouden om olie te kunnen kopen. Ik kan morgen zonder problemen zoveel olie kopen als ik kan betalen zonder dollars achter de hand te hebben.

De hele "petrodollar warfare" hypothese is een typisch voorbeeld van een meme dat zijn verspreiding vooral aan de wereldwijde vooringenomenheid jegens de VS te danken heeft.

Oh, dan is er toch geen probleem.

Laat dan al de landen hun dollars afstoten, en andere munten inslaan.

Te beginnen met olie en gas te verhandelen in andere munten, daar kan de VS helemaal niets tegen hebben, is toch maar een hypothese.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8CK3C120120120
Jan 20 (Reuters) - India and Iran have agreed to settle some of their $12 billion annual oil trade in rupees, a government source said on Friday, resorting to the restricted currency after more than a year of payment problems in the face of fresh, tougher U.S. sanctions.

India, the world's fourth-largest oil consumer, relies on Iran for about 12 percent of its imports or 350,000-400,000 barrels per day (bpd) and is Tehran's second-biggest oil client after China.

But Washington has snapped tighter financial sanctions on Iran and wants Asia, Tehran's biggest oil market, to cut imports in a bid to pressure the Islamic nation to rein in its nuclear ambitions, which it suspects are aimed at making weapons.

Iran rejects the charge and says its programme is for peaceful means.

India's central bank stopped one clearing mechanism in December 2010 for Iran payments and refiners finally managed to secure a route through Turkey's Halkbank in July 2011 but this could be vulnerable to the new U.S. measures.

An Indian delegation has been in Tehran this week discussing options for payment and the source said the decision to pay in rupees was made after a meeting there.

"The Central Bank of Iran will open an account with an Indian bank for receiving payment and settling its import," the source, who has direct knowledge of the matter, said, adding the new system will start "soon".

The source did not specify the name of the Indian bank. But other sources have said that Iran could open an account with India's UCO Bank as it does not have any interests in the United States.

In addition to rupee payments, Indian refiners will continue to make payments through the current mechanism using Halkbank, this source said, "as long as it continues".

Turkey and Iran said on Thursday they want to increase financial transfers and that work is underway to strengthen banking ties.

The new U.S. sanctions, authorised on Dec. 31, penalise any financial institution dealing with Iran's central bank, the main clearing house for oil payments. However, a country can earn a waiver if it significantly reduces trade with Iran.

India, whose biggest supplier is Iran's OPEC and regional rival Saudi Arabia, has said it will not seek a waiver and will continue to trade with Iran, following only U.N. sanctions.

India Trade Secretary Rahul Khullar said this week that the Indian delegation to Iran would work around the U.S. sanctions to protect oil supplies and promote Indian exports.

The government source said Iran has agreed to step up imports from India which added up to some $2.7 billion in 2010/11 and including oilmeal, rice and tea.

"This will cushion them (Iran) to some extent from exchange rate volatility," the source said.

The rupee is only partly convertible, limiting its acceptability internationally. In addition, it was the worst performing major currency in Asia last year, losing about 16 percent against the dollar, and it remains volatile.

Asian support for U.S. sanctions is vital since the region buys more than half of Iran's daily crude exports. The European Union has agreed in principle to halting Iranian crude imports and could finalise the ban on Jan. 23.

China, Iran's biggest crude customer, has rejected the U.S. sanctions as overstepping the mark and defended its extensive imports from the second-biggest oil producer in OPEC.

Het is blijkbaar toch goud geworden ipv rupees:

http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

India to pay gold instead of dollars for Iranian oil. Oil and gold markets stunned

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 23, 2012, 5:57 PM (GMT+02:00)

Iranian oil for India

India is the first buyer of Iranian oil to agree to pay for its purchases in gold instead of the US dollar, debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources report exclusively. Those sources expect China to follow suit. India and China take about one million barrels per day, or 40 percent of Iran's total exports of 2.5 million bpd. Both are superpowers in terms of gold assets.

By trading in gold, New Delhi and Beijing enable Tehran to bypass the upcoming freeze on its central bank's assets and the oil embargo which the European Union's foreign ministers agreed to impose Monday, Jan. 23. The EU currently buys around 20 percent of Iran's oil exports.

Zeer interessant.

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En wat is uw punt ?

Iran heeft dat immers ook niet (ze hebben zelfs geen atoombommen, en laten permanent ispecties toe in hun kerncentrales), waarom moeit Israel/VS zich dan met Iran ?

Mijn punt is dat een Iran met atoomwapens een existentiële bedreiging voor Israël is, terwijl een Israël met met atoomwapens geen existentiële bedreiging voor Iran is.
Dus kan je niet argumenteren dat Israël maar moet aanvaarden dat Iran in de toekomst een existentiële bedreiging zou kunnen vormen...

En je kan niet zomaar de morele equivalentiekaart trekken. Het is alsof je zou stellen "waar moeit de politie zich mee" als ze proberen te vermijden dat een ciminele bende aan zware wapens geraakt.

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Laat dan al de landen hun dollars afstoten, en andere munten inslaan.

Tuurlijk staat dat alle landen vrij. Maar om een of andere reden heeft men toch nog veel vertrouwen in de Dollar.

(En het is omdat zoveel landen Dollar reservers aanhouden dat men veel grondstoffen in Dollar noteerd, niet andersom...)

Te beginnen met olie en gas te verhandelen in andere munten, daar kan de VS helemaal niets tegen hebben, is toch maar een hypothese.

Wel het is duidelijk dat de VS daar inderdaad niks aan kunnen, willen of zullen doen. Je geeft het zelf aan.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zwitser

Tuurlijk staat dat alle landen vrij. Maar om een of andere reden heeft men toch nog veel vertrouwen in de Dollar.

(En het is omdat zoveel landen Dollar reservers aanhouden dat men veel grondstoffen in Dollar noteerd, niet andersom...)

Het is blijkbaar goud geworden ipv Indische rupees

India to pay gold instead of dollars for Iranian oil. Oil and gold markets stunned

Iranian oil for India

India is the first buyer of Iranian oil to agree to pay for its purchases in gold instead of the US dollar, debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources report exclusively. Those sources expect China to follow suit. India and China take about one million barrels per day, or 40 percent of Iran's total exports of 2.5 million bpd. Both are superpowers in terms of gold assets.

By trading in gold, New Delhi and Beijing enable Tehran to bypass the upcoming freeze on its central bank's assets and the oil embargo which the European Union's foreign ministers agreed to impose Monday, Jan. 23. The EU currently buys around 20 percent of Iran's oil exports.

The vast sums involved in these transactions are expected, furthermore, to boost the price of gold and depress the value of the dollar on world markets.
Iran's second largest customer after China, India purchases around $12 billion a year's worth of Iranian crude, or about 12 percent of its consumption. Delhi is to execute its transactions, according to our sources, through two state-owned banks: the Calcutta-based UCO Bank, whose board of directors is made up of Indian government and Reserve Bank of India representatives; and Halk Bankasi (Peoples Bank), Turkey's seventh largest bank which is owned by the government.
An Indian delegation visited Tehran last week to discuss payment options in view of the new sanctions. The two sides were reported to have agreed that payment for the oil purchased would be partly in yen and partly in rupees. The switch to gold was kept dark.

India thus joins China in opting out of the US-led European sanctions against Iran's international oil and financial business. Turkey announced publicly last week that it would not adhere to any sanctions against Iran's nuclear program unless they were imposed by the United Nations Security Council.

The EU decision of Monday banned the signing of new oil contracts with Iran at once, while phasing out existing transactions by July 1, 2012, when the European embargo, like the measure enforced by the United States, becomes total. The European foreign ministers also approved a freeze on the assets of the Central Bank of Iran which handles all the country's oil transactions.
However, the damage those sanctions cause the Iranian economy will be substantially cushioned by the oil deals to be channeled through Turkish and Indian state banks. China for its part has declared its opposition to sanctions against Iran.

debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that Tehran has set up alternative financial mechanisms with China and Russia for getting paid for its oil in currencies other than US dollars. Both Beijing and Moscow are keeping the workings of those mechanisms top secret.

http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

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Wel het is duidelijk dat de VS daar inderdaad niks aan kunnen, willen of zullen doen. Je geeft het zelf aan

Ik ben toch benieuwd, hoe de reacties op langere termijn worden als meer landen dat (zouden) doen.

Maar de meeste landen hebben heel veel dollars in voorraad, die zullen dan langzaam op de markt gebracht moeten worden...

[Zwitser]

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Maar de meeste landen hebben heel veel dollars in voorraad, die zullen dan langzaam op de markt gebracht moeten worden...

Het kan natuurlijk veranderen. Maar je moet het zo zien: Landen houden dollars als reserve omdat ze veel vertrouwen in die dollar hebben. Anders zouden ze die immers rap omwisselen. Er zijn zeker scenarios te bedenken waarbij dat vertrouwen in de dollar verdwijnt. Maar je moet oorzaak en gevolg niet omdraaien.

[Micele]

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Het kan natuurlijk veranderen. Maar je moet het zo zien: Landen houden dollars als reserve omdat ze veel vertrouwen in die dollar hebben. Anders zouden ze die immers rap omwisselen. Er zijn zeker scenarios te bedenken waarbij dat vertrouwen in de dollar verdwijnt.

Idd, en dat is het begin als VS en mss EU blijft doorgaan.

The EU decision of Monday banned the signing of new oil contracts with Iran at once, while phasing out existing transactions by July 1, 2012, when the European embargo, like the measure enforced by the United States, becomes total. The European foreign ministers also approved a freeze on the assets of the Central Bank of Iran which handles all the country's oil transactions.
However, the damage those sanctions cause the Iranian economy will be substantially cushioned by the oil deals to be channeled through Turkish and Indian state banks. China for its part has declared its opposition to sanctions against Iran.

debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that Tehran has set up alternative financial mechanisms with China and Russia for getting paid for its oil in currencies other than US dollars. Both Beijing and Moscow are keeping the workings of those mechanisms top secret.

http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

Maar je moet oorzaak en gevolg niet omdraaien

Doe ik dat ?

Ik citeer enkele sites, en stel me er vragen bij, meer niet.

Anders zouden ze die immers rap omwisselen

Ja, hoe wisselt men bvb 1000 miljard dollar om in één dag bvb, wat gebeurd er met de dollarkoers ? Goudkoers ? Vertel eens.

[julian]

De gewoonlijke samenzweerdersonzin. Meer woorden is dat niet waard.

[julian]

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U zal de onvoorwaardelijke Israel-bashers en de rabiate antisemieten nooit kunnen overtuigen, zelfs met deze nuchtere en concrete feiten.

Ze leven effectief in hun eigen alternatief wereldje. Enig politieke relevantie hebben ze niet.