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Oud 24 september 2014, 20:43   #1
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VN: Terroristen, extremisten, idealisten, ambulanciers, vredesbrengers, huurlingen en... 'toerisme'

De VN veiligheidsraad wil een nieuwe globale wetgeving welke het een zwaar crimineel misdrijf maakt om naar een vreemd land af te reizen en er de rangen van 'extremisten' te vervoegen of ze te steunen.

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In the wake of the rise of the Islamic State the UN Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution demanding all member states to make it a serious criminal offense for their citizens to travel abroad to fight with extremists or support them.

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Belgen die bij IS gaan vechten zijn dan schuldig. Maar wat als ze bij de zogezegd 'gematigde oppositie' gaan vechten? Mogen ze dan wel onthoofden misschien? Wie bepaalt welke organisatie extremistisch is? Indien dat niet in de wetgeving opgenomen wordt is ze zinloos lijkt me. Dan kunnen staten nog steeds extremistische bewegingen in andere landen steunen door hun onderdanen ertoe aan te zetten mee te gaan vechten. Verhofstadt hoeft nog niet ongerust te zijn.
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Belgen die bij IS gaan vechten zijn dan schuldig. Maar wat als ze bij de zogezegd 'gematigde oppositie' gaan vechten? Mogen ze dan wel onthoofden misschien? Wie bepaalt welke organisatie extremistisch is? Indien dat niet in de wetgeving opgenomen wordt is ze zinloos lijkt me. Dan kunnen staten nog steeds extremistische bewegingen in andere landen steunen door hun onderdanen ertoe aan te zetten mee te gaan vechten. Verhofstadt hoeft nog niet ongerust te zijn.

Ik vraag me hoe de globalistische organisatie bij uitstek iets kan verbieden waar ze zelf ook voor staan, namelijk grensoverschrijdende ideeën...

Dat lijkt me onmogelijk en ondanks alles tevens behoorlijk hypocriet.

Ondertussen roept Obama op tot het vormen van een 'nieuwe wereldorde':


RTL Nieuws - Obama roept op tot wereldwijd normbesef
24 september 2014

De wereld moet met internationaal normbesef een nieuwe wereldorde opbouwen. Dit heeft de Amerikaanse president Barack Obama vandaag gezegd in zijn toespraak tot de Algemene Vergadering van de Verenigde Naties.

Hij drong daarbij aan op 'een gemeenschappelijke verantwoordelijkheid om de wereldwijde problemen op te lossen'. Daar is de laatste tijd veel te weinig van te merken, vindt Obama. Hij zei dat 'we allemaal, grote en kleine naties, onze verantwoordelijkheid moeten nemen om internationale normen in acht te nemen en te laten gelden'.


Zo moeten volgens Obama 'alle landen, in het bijzonder de Arabische, zich aaneensluiten om het netwerk van de dood te ontmantelen'. Hij doelde op de soennitische extremisten van Islamitische Staat (IS), die delen van Irak en Syrië terroriseren.

Obama zei tegen 'hen die zich bij IS hebben aangesloten dat we niet wijken voor hun dreigementen en we zullen aantonen dat de toekomst is aan degenen die bouwen en niet aan degenen die vernietigen'.

Verwijt om MH17
In zijn rede klonk ook een verwijt aan het adres van Rusland over de rol die het had gespeeld bij het neerhalen van vlucht MH17, waarbij 298 mensen (onder wie 196 Nederlanders) omkwamen.

Rebellen die door Rusland werden gesteund, blokkeerden volgens Obama dagenlang de toegang tot de rampplek van vlucht MH17. Rusland zou de rebellen in Oost-Oekraïne later ook hebben gesteund met eigen troepen.

Het Russische optreden in Oekraïne, onder meer de Russische annexatie van de Krim, tart de internationale rechtsorde, aldus Obama.
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Realiteit is:

De nieuwe wereld orde van Obama, internationale wanorde en chaos:

Land Destroyer - US Aggression Drags World into Age of Global Anarchy
24 september 2014 door Tony Cartalucci


Allied with barbaric regional regimes who gestated "Islamic State," Washington's attack on Syria sets dangerous new precedent.


September 24, 2014 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - Without a UN mandate or even a cohesive narrative, the United States and its regional allies have begun unilaterally bombing targets in Syria. Together with Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar - the very sponsors of extremists groups fighting inside of Syria, including the Islamic State, its offshoot al Nusra, and other Al Qaeda aligned factions - the US has opened a new chapter on global anarchy.

Unlike other campaigns of naked military conquest, the US appears to have foregone the facade of UN approval, moral or legal justification, and has instead applied a scatter-shot strategy of proposing multiple pretexts for its aggression - all equally implausible, many contradictory - hoping at least one will stick.

After much hand-wringing and complaining about Russia's actions in Ukraine - citing the violation of "international norms" and international law, the US has itself has clearly violated all the rules it has hypocritically held the rest of the world to under threat of sanctions, subversion, and outright military force. Without so much as a fig leaf of legality or legitimacy, and with criminal regimes as its partners, the US has committed the ultimate act of undermining the so-called "international order" it itself poses as creator of and arbiter over.

Such reckless abandonment and unprecedented illegitimacy signifies that this "international order" may have already collapsed. Just as Adolf Hitler abandoned the facade of "national defense" in his conquest of Europe, the United States has now dispensed with international consensus and international "rule of law" in its pursuit of global hegemony.

What unfolds next will be a zero sum contest between the West's naked imperial conquest and those caught up in its path. The time for appealing to international law is over as America drags the world into yet another dark age of global anarchy.


America's Axis of Evil



Beheading non-believers in public squares, oppressing women, homosexuals, and other minority groups, and peddling a backwards perversion of Islam all sound like the hallmarks of the so-called "Islamic State" or ISIS as it is also known as. But in fact, they are also the hallmarks of America's premier ally in the current alleged fight against ISIS' global spanning terror operation - Saudi Arabia. In fact, Saudi Arabia was the chief intermediary between extremist groups across the Middle East and Washington in a nearly decade long conspiracy to violently overthrow the governments of Lebanon, Syria, and Iran with a regional mercenary army.

Alongside Saudi Arabia is Qatar. Both nations are ruled by unelected despots posing as monarchies. Contest to their power is met with brutal suppression and death. In fact, America's partnership with the Persian Gulf despots at the beginning of the Syrian conflict should have been one of the first clues that the fighting had nothing to do with fostering democracy or freedom - two concepts that do not exist in either Riyadh or Doha - and all to do with regime change and regional hegemony.

Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar, despite feigned tensions, have converging agendas - overthrowing the government of Syria, destroying Hezbollah in Lebanon, and containing, destabilizing, and overthrowing the government of Iran. To this end, they and the United States, along with Israel and Turkey, have conspired to, and demonstrably have armed and funded Al Qaeda's various factions across the region since at least as early as 2007. America's creation and use of Al Qaeda goes back much further, to at least the 1980's when it used the terrorist organization to wage proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Veteran journalist and Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh would warn the world in a 9-page report published by the New Yorker of the conspiracy against Iran and Syria. In a report titled, "The Redirection Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?" Hersh would report (emphasis added):

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

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What's more is that the so-called "moderates" the US claims it will arm, fund, and provide aircover for have been openly fighting along side, and even within the ranks of ISIS, Al Nusra, and other overt terrorist organizations. The Daily Beast would report in its article, "Al Qaeda Plotters in Syria ‘Went Dark,’ U.S. Spies Say," that (emphasis added):

One Syrian rebel group supported in the past by the United States condemned the air strikes on Tuesday. Harakat Hazm, a rebel group that received a shipment of U.S. anti-tank weapons in the spring, called the airstrikes “an attack on national sovereignty” and charged that foreign led attacks only strengthen the Assad regime. The statement comes from a document, purportedly from the group, that has circulated online and was posted in English translation from a Twitter account called Syria Conflict Monitor. Several Syria experts, including the Brookings Doha Center's Charles Lister, believe the document to be authentic.

Before the official statement, there were signs that Harakat Hazm was making alliances in Syria that could conflict with its role as a U.S. partner. In early Septemeber a Harakat Hazm official told a reporter for the L.A. Times: “Inside Syria, we became labeled as secularists and feared Nusra Front was going to battle us…But Nusra doesn't fight us, we actually fight alongside them. We like Nusra.”

Harakat Hazm is the rule, not the exception. The US has been directly arming and funding terrorists fighting alongside Al Nusra - an offshoot of ISIS - and ISIS itself. As Hersh revealed, the plan from the beginning was the bolster such groups to fight Washington, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, and Doha's proxy war against Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah.

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Israel, Turkey, and US - Three Front War on Syria


That the goal is in fact crushing Iran's arc of influence across the Middle East, not defeating "terrorists" or fostering "democracy," goes far in explaining Israel's posture along its border with Syria. Having claimed to have shot down a Syrian warplane in the west just as the US began bombing Syrian territory in the east, Israel has consistently used the conflict as an excuse to pick apart the Syrian government and its military. With terrorists hailing from Al Nusra along its borders - Israel is clearly harboring and protecting them with extraterritorial attacks just as Turkey has done in the north and the US will begin doing in the east.

Far from conjecture, the goal of opening a multi-front war with Syria has been the stated agenda of Western policymakers for years. In 2012, the corporate-financier funded Brookings Institution in their "Middle East Memo #21" "Assessing Options for Regime Change" stated specifically (emphasis added):

In addition, Israel’s intelligence services have a strong knowledge of Syria, as well as assets within the Syrian regime that could be used to subvert the regime’s power base and press for Asad’s removal. Israel could posture forces on or near the Golan Heights and, in so doing, might divert regime forces from suppressing the opposition. This posture may conjure fears in the Asad regime of a multi-front war, particularly if Turkey is willing to do the same on its border and if the Syrian opposition is being fed a steady diet of arms and training. Such a mobilization could perhaps persuade Syria’s military leadership to oust Asad in order to preserve itself. Advocates argue this additional pressure could tip the balance against Asad inside Syria, if other forces were aligned properly.

It is clear that for years, the West and its regional allies have pursued a singular agenda, with only the rhetorical cover used to sell it to the public changing as one facade collapsed after another. The most tenuous facade of all is America's current campaign against its own ISIS mercenaries - conveniently opening up a third front in the east to join Turkey and Israel's provocations to the north and west respectively.

What will follow is the permanent operation of US and terrorist forces everywhere from Raqqa to Aleppo, leaving it up to Damascus to tempt provoking a direct war against itself by attempting to attack terrorists protected by US airpower, special forces, and other assets deployed to the region.

Restoring Global Sanity

Countering this will be difficult but not impossible. Syria and its allies have an opportunity to fill the geostrategic void currently in the east and negate the need for America's presence. Having sufficiently built up the menace of its own terrorist mercenaries, the US has done the rhetorical heavy-lifting to justify the creation of a joint Syrian-Iraqi-Iranian-Russian-Chinese effort to neutralize ISIS and its affiliates. By placing joint military forces on the ground in eastern Syria where the West is unwilling to do so, will force the US to either withdraw, or once again change its narrative in mid fight - a move that Washington's crumbling legitimacy may not survive.

The West must be made to pay for its streak of global anarchy. Its inability to follow its own rules expose it as an irresponsible shareholder in an "international order" or its own creation. This "international order" itself is a demonstrable failure, and in all truth, a facade in and of itself. For Syria and its allies, they possess the military and political resources to confront this threat directly. For the general public, we possess the socioeconomic resources to permanently boycott and replace with local alternatives all of the immense corporate-financier interests that lurk behind the West's global agenda. The unwarranted influence and power the West wields is a result of our collective, incremental patronage of their corporations, institutions, and organizations. Undoing this unwarranted influence will require our collective and incremental divestment from what is in reality, international disorder.
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Obama: "De top drie van de meest wereldvredebedreigende 'situaties'":

1. Ebola
2. Rusland
3. ISIS, AQ, Nusra, Khorasan of hoe ze ook noemen...


De nieuwe wereldorde, het nieuwe wereldwijde normbesef en andere typische Orwelliaanse retoriek van vredesbrenger Mr. Obama... Lavrov begrijpt er niets meer van.

Terwijl de VS Irak en Syrie bombardeert, "Obama’s certainty that the world has become “freer and safer.” lijkt me inderdaad regelrecht uit 1984 te komen. Peace = War!


RT - Russia tops ISIS threat, Ebola worst of all? Lavrov puzzled by Obama’s UN speech
24 september 2014
Following the US President’s speech at the UN, Russian FM Sergey Lavrov was puzzled with Barack Obama’s ranking of international threats: deadly Ebola virus top, followed by so-called Russian aggression and ISIS in Syria and Iraq only third?

Gathered at the UN headquarters in New York, the world leaders attending the 69th General Assembly heard Barack Obama highlighting the three most significant global threats today.

“As we gather here, an outbreak of Ebola overwhelms public health systems in West Africa, and threatens to move rapidly across borders. Russian aggression in Europe recalls the days when large nations trampled small ones in pursuit of territorial ambition. The brutality of terrorists in Syria and Iraq forces us to look into the heart of darkness,” the US leader said at the beginning of his statement.

Reacting to the speech, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov spoke with astonishment.

“We earned the second place among the threats to international peace and stability,” Lavrov told journalists on the sidelines of the UN assembly.

Not only the ranking of international threats seemed bizarre to Lavrov, especially in the light of the current strikes in Iraq and Syria that bypassed the UN mandate, but also Obama’s certainty that the world has become “freer and safer.”

“I didn't understand whether he was serious or not and whether there was an Orwellian element in it. Because George Orwell invented the Ministry of Truth and it looks like this philosophy is lingering."

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The Russian foreign minister assessed Obama’s words at the session as a “speech of a peacemaker – the way it was conceived” which he “failed to deliver if one compares it to real facts”.

The US President presented a US worldview stressing the exceptionality of himself and of his country, the Russian FM said:

“That's the worldview of a country that has spelt out its right to use force arbitrarily regardless of UN Security Council's resolutions or other international legal acts in its national defense doctrine.”


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Moscow seeks to settle conflicts through equal dialogue and not through unilateral accusations, not by “shifting the blame,” Lavrov said adding that he will definitely point this out to US Secretary John Kerry in a meeting between the two later in the day.

Moskou en Lavrov vinden het nieuwe wereldwijde normbesef en de Amerikaanse drang naar hegemonie maar niets.



I.v.m. deze, lees ook volgend artikel:


Infowars - In Speech on Peace, Obama Escalates War Tensions With Russia
24 september 2014

In his United Nations speech today, President Obama claimed he wanted peace but then blamed Russia for encouraging the deaths of thousands in Ukraine, escalating current tensions between the U.S. and Russia which could lead to war.

The president evoked memories of both world wars when he accused Russia of trampling a neighboring country “in pursuit of territorial ambition.”

“Russia poured arms into Eastern Ukraine, fueling violent separatists and a conflict that has killed thousands,” Obama asserted. “When a civilian airliner was shot down from areas that these proxies controlled, they refused to allow access to the crash for days.”

“When Ukraine started to reassert control over its territory, Russia gave up the pretense of merely supporting the separatists, and moved troops across the border.”

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Algemene Vergadering van de Verenigde Naties, september 2014. Bekijk de volledige toespraak van Mr. Obama:


Video - General Assembly 2014: Obama U.N. Speech [FULL] Today | The New York Times
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VN: Terroristen, extremisten, idealisten, ambulanciers, vredesbrengers, huurlingen en... 'toerisme'

De VN veiligheidsraad wil een nieuwe globale wetgeving welke het een zwaar crimineel misdrijf maakt om naar een vreemd land af te reizen en er de rangen van 'extremisten' te vervoegen of ze te steunen.

Een goede zaak of een eerder een gevaarlijke ontwikkeling?
In the wake of the rise of the Islamic State the UN Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution demanding all member states to make it a serious criminal offense for their citizens to travel abroad to fight with extremists or support them.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW
http://rt.com/news/190384-un-resolut...m-mercenaries/



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ISIS-hysterie gaat globaal:

Canadese ISIS-fans verliezen hun paspoort. Zij welke nog niet vertrokken zijn moeten 'thuis' blijven en zij welke reeds op bestemming zijn mogen niet terugkeren.

Canada to revoke passports of citizens who leave to fight alongside ISIS
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As hysteria over the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) goes global, the Canadian government has announced it will invalidate the travel documents of any citizen who travels overseas with the intention of joining an extremist group.

Under the long-established Canadian Passport Order, which gives officials the right to terminate citizens’ travel papers, Ottawa has begun revoking the passports of individuals who fly to overseas destinations such as Iraq and Syria to fight alongside IS and other terrorist groups.

“If we have evidence – and I mean substantive, incontrovertible evidence – that someone has left Canada with the intention of committing what would be an indictable offense here, including terrorism, then we can revoke, suspend or invalidate their passport,” Alexander told CTV News.


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The minister said the measure is intended to prevent young people “from going down this misguided path,” while admitting that those who plan to travel overseas to join a terrorist group are limited to “a small group of people.”

Alexander told the National Post that the government has already handled “multiple cases” that led to the termination of the passports of individuals who had not yet left the country, but who had intended to serve as foreign fighters.

The government says about 30 Canadians are with extremist groups in Syria and 130 are active elsewhere.

“Yes, I think it’s safe to say that there are cases of revocation of passports involving people who’ve gone to Syria and Iraq already,” he continued. “I just don’t want to get into the numbers, but multiple cases.”

The minister said the move to revoke passports of Canadians suspected of joining a terrorist outfit would “ensure that the good name of Canada…is not associated with the menace of terrorism.”

The move on the part of the Canadian authorities appears part of an effort to prevent Canadian nationals from reentering the country after becoming exposed to extremists and their tactics. It also means that Canadian citizens who make the decision to fight in Iraq and Syria will be stranded there, since they would face a flight ban with a revoked passport.

Earlier, the Post revealed the identity of a Canadian - Mohammed Ali, a 23-year-old from Mississauga, Ontario, who allegedly departed Canada in April to join IS. The newspaper said he wrote online about “playing soccer with severed heads.”

Other Canadians who have reportedly left Canada to join extremist groups include Hasibullah Yusifzai of Burnaby, British Columbia, and Calgary’s Farah Shirdon, who used Twitter to threaten the United States before his account was suspended.

Not everybody, however, is comfortable with the idea of the Canadian government revoking passports, especially as it is being done with a lack of transparency.

Citizenship and immigration lawyer Joel Sandaluk said that while the government has a legal right to invalidate passports, the secrecy surrounding the decision-making process is disturbing.

“The thing that’s curious about this is, it’s not exactly all that clear on what information the government is basing these revocations,” Sandaluk told CTV’s News. “The government is asking us to place an extraordinary amount of faith in their ability to operate.”

“And the suggestion that they’re doing this within the full rigor of the law isn’t really entirely clear to me, because it seems to be a process that is shrouded in mystery,” he said.
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Liberty Blitzkrieg - U.S. Propaganda Enters Into Insane, Irrational Overdrive in Attempt to “Sell” War in Syria
24 september 2014

Thanks to a dizzying barrage of lies, mainstream media fear-mongering and a couple of beheadings, the Obama Administration finally achieved its long sought after war in Syria. The tactic that proved most effective in mobilizing the American public back into a shivering, post-9/11 fetal position, was the same tactic used by elites in the UK to convince Scotland against voting for independence. That tactic, as I detailed in a recent post, is fear.

However, fear in itself is not enough. It must be coupled with endless slogans and misdirection by the mainstream media and politicians. It must lead the public to subconsciously embrace a thought process that is completely irrational. Such tactics can be labeled propaganda, and it results in a public suddenly supporting a war it strongly opposed only a year ago. All it takes is a little repackaging. Propaganda allows those who profit from war to push the American public into a tizzy of trepidation based on a couple of beheadings from ISIS, while not batting an eye over the daily beheadings that were simultaneously occurring in Saudi Arabia.

So the power structure and its impotent puppet, Barack Obama, intentionally pushed the American public into a frenzy of fear and finally got their little war. Nevertheless, serious people immediately began to call into question two very significant issues with respect to the aggression.

First, it appeared clear to almost everyone without a biased penchant for overseas death and destruction, that the war is completely unconstitutional and illegal no matter how you slice it. As I highlighted in the post, Obama’s ISIS War is Not Only Illegal, it Makes George W. Bush Look Like a Constitutional Scholar:

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So that’s glaring problem number one. The second problem, which I highlighted in the post, The American Public: A Tough Soldier or a Chicken Hawk Cowering in a Cubicle? Some Thoughts on ISIS Intervention, is that:


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So as quickly as it began, Obama’s little war had some serious PR issues. So what did the chicken-hawks do? They repackaged and resold the entire thing. Enter Khorosan.

Yep, just as quickly as ISIS spontaneously generated like maggots on meat from the sands of Mesopotamia to open the door to another Middle East quagmire, another existential threat nobody had ever heard of suddenly emerged. Not only that, but this group supposedly posed an imminent threat to America. How incredibly convenient.

Here’s ABC News compliantly pushing the latest propaganda to its lobotomized readership in the article, US Averts ‘Active Plotting Against Homeland’ By Hitting Al Qaeda Cell Khorasan in Syria:

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Lees ook:

The Khorasans: As Fake As the Kardashians - New Boogeyman Has Already Been Debunked
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Een extremistische groepering steunen als een crimineel feit?
dus, bvb het vlaams belang steunen ( een extremistische groepering) zal dan strafbaar worden.

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VN: Terroristen, extremisten, idealisten, ambulanciers, vredesbrengers, huurlingen en... 'toerisme'

De VN veiligheidsraad wil een nieuwe globale wetgeving welke het een zwaar crimineel misdrijf maakt om naar een vreemd land af te reizen en er de rangen van 'extremisten' te vervoegen of ze te steunen.

Een goede zaak of een eerder een gevaarlijke ontwikkeling?

In the wake of the rise of the Islamic State the UN Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution demanding all member states to make it a serious criminal offense for their citizens to travel abroad to fight with extremists or support them.

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Oorlogsstoker McCain kan dus als eerste op het matje geroepen en effectief veroordeeld worden in dat geval.
In veel landen bestaat deze wet reeds, maar ze word in het westen zelden toegepast op Moslims.
Een Chinees die word gesnapt op het gaan vechten voor een vreemde krijgsmacht komt er vanaf met een veroordeling wegens landverraad en het afgeven van zijn/haar hoofd. En alle eigendommen en bezittingen worden verbeurd verklaard en aangeslagen door de staat.

In België krijgen die gasten een voorkeursbehandeling en mogen ze zelfs op kosten van de belastingbetalers een ontwenningskuur volgen om zich terug te kunnen aanpassen. Schoppen ze iemand het ziekenhuis in, dan word het slachtoffer nog vervolgd wegens racisme.
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Daarbij wijst alles erop dat ISIS zich terug trekt in de steden. Zal Obama's coalitie dan steden beginnen bombarderen?

We blijven een pacifistische natie durft Obama te zeggen op de VN terwijl hij op hetzelfde moment aankondigt meer wapens te sturen naar groepen in het midden Oosten en net een bombardements- coalitie op de been bracht.

Het is inderdaad Orwelliaanse oorlogstaal die we meer en meer te horen krijgen. Oorlog is vrede. Als je zelf liegt beschuldig dan tegelijk de ander ervan een leugenaar te zijn. Of geef een nobelprijs voor de vrede aan een oorlogsmisdadiger.
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Daarbij wijst alles erop dat ISIS zich terug trekt in de steden. Zal Obama's coalitie dan steden beginnen bombarderen?

We blijven een pacifistische natie durft Obama te zeggen op de VN terwijl hij op hetzelfde moment aankondigt meer wapens te sturen naar groepen in het midden Oosten en net een bombardements- coalitie op de been bracht.

Het is inderdaad Orwelliaanse oorlogstaal die we meer en meer te horen krijgen. Oorlog is vrede. Als je zelf liegt beschuldig dan tegelijk de ander ervan een leugenaar te zijn. Of geef een nobelprijs voor de vrede aan een oorlogsmisdadiger.
Lijkt me logisch dat die mannen zich tussen de burgers gaan verschuilen, zodat ze daarna Hamasgewijs de burgerslachtoffers kunnen vergelden.

Zie op dit moment echt niet in welke acties, buiten militaire, zin hebben. Al ben ik zelf absoluut geen fan van geweld. Maar ik vrees dat we in een situatie zijn beland waarbij het kalf al lang verdronken en weg gerot is.
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