Erdogan speelt open kaart: meer terreur als we Turkije niet binnenlaten

Rr00ttt · 13 december 2004, 18:00

Sorry, maar nauwelijks verhulde bedreigingen?

Dit kan toch echt niet meer...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...1625%2C00.html

Hrafnar · 13 december 2004, 19:06

Dit is dus echt de bekende druppel...

Moslimfascist Erdogan begint nu te dreigen, nu hij zo langzamerhand door begint te krijgen dat Europa niet van een Turks lidmaatschap gediend is. De ware aard van deze Anatolische roofkoekoek en de schurkenstaat die hij vertegenwoordigt, komt hier heel duidelijk naar boven.

Europa mag dit niet toelaten, en mag al helemaal niet zwichten voor een zogenaamde terreurdreiging. Mocht dat als gevolg hebben dat Al Qaida, of om het even welke Turken/moslims, aanslagen gaan plegen, dan kan er maar één antwoord zijn en dat is det totale oorlog aan de islam in Europa verklaren. Dan zal het definitief gedaan zijn met het eeuwige pappen en nathouden, en telkens weer aan de terreur(dreiging) van moslims, met Turkije en Marokko voorop, toegeven. Genoeg is genoeg!

De schoofzak · 13 december 2004, 19:55

Ik lees dat toch lichtelijk anders.

Maar ik zal jullie niet kunnen overtuigen, vrees ik.

Nu ja, er is soms een verschil tussen gelijk hebben en gelijk krijgen.
En het ziet ernaar uit dat "ik" gelijk zal krijgen.

sinan123 · 13 december 2004, 20:14

Citaat:

Ik lees dat toch lichtelijk anders.

Zij kunnen niet begrijpend lezen.
Men met echt beter onderwijs geven.

Hrafnar · 13 december 2004, 20:45

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door sinan123

Men met echt beter onderwijs geven.

Als ik dat zinnetje van je zo eens lees, wel ja. Het correcte Nederlandse woord is hier "moet" en niet "met".

RobrechtIV · 13 december 2004, 22:34

ANKARA, 21 APRIL. De moslim-fundamentalistische burgemeester van de Turkse stad Istanbul, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is vandaag door het staatsveiligheidshof in Diyarbakir veroordeeld tot 10 maanden gevangenisstraf
wegens provocerende uitspraken op het terrein van ras en geloof.[size=4]

[/size]Erdogan, die deel uitmaakte van de inmiddels ontbonden Welvaartspartij, is met name vervolgd omdat hij de moskeeën de ,,kazernes'' van zijn partij had genoemd. [size=3],,De moskeeën zijn onze kazernes, de minaretten onze bajonetten, de koepels onze helmen en de gelovigen onze soldaten'', [size=2]zo zei Erdogan in december[/size].[/size]

Erdogan, die in 1994 werd gekozen tot burgemeester van Istanbul en wordt gezien als kroonprins van Necmettin Erbakan als leider van de fundamentalistische beweging, was niet in de rechtszaal. Hij gaat in beroep.

(AFP, Reuters)

NRC

Wreker · 13 december 2004, 22:45

[font=Comic Sans MS]Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership
By Suna Erdem
Summit must decide whether to open talks

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms itself as a Christian club.

“Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will bring about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not welcomed, the world will have to put up with the present situation,” he said, referring to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda — whose local affiliates hit Turkey last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in Istanbul.

“That is the very clear and present danger and it is all around us today. There is nothing we can do if the EU feels that it can live with being simply a Christian club . . . but if these countries burn their bridges with the rest of the world, history will not forgive them.”

Mr Erdogan’s powerful warning came just days before the EU summit that will decide whether to start formal accession talks with Turkey and against a furious European debate about the effects of incorporating Turkey’s 70 million, mainly Muslim, population into the Union.

He was speaking before opening Istanbul’s first modern art museum — an event he had ordered to be brought forward from early next year to help to project a modern image of his country ahead of the summit. After knocking on the EU’s doors for four decades, Turkey is painfully aware that it is viewed abroad as a poor and backward country and that, despite its secular constitution, much of the West is currently afraid of its Muslim tradition.

Mr Erdogan is a declared “conservative democrat”, but his background as an Islamic firebrand has led to so many questions that his face broke into a “not again” smile at the mere mention of the problem.

“We are Muslim, we are Turkish, we are democratic and our country is secular,” he said, emphasising every phrase. “Nothing else need be said.” Nevertheless, he believed that the EU, in trying to add safeguards and get-out clauses in the draft for the talks, was discriminating against Ankara.

“I am of the opinion that Turkey is being faced with tougher criteria compared to other candidate countries,” he said. “No other country had to wait for 41 years at Europe’s door. We have fulfilled all the criteria, but despite this Europeans are hesitating.”

Although loath to say so, he feels upset, maybe even betrayed, by suggestions from some, including France, that Turkey might be offered an alternative form of association with the EU if talks fail.

“There are 400,000 Turks already living in France . . . what have we done to make them so afraid? We find it hard to understand what it is the French do not understand about us that makes them so wary. There is no such thing in the EU as privileged partnership. No other country has been offered this and there is no way that we will accept such an option for Turkey,” he said.

He also rejected suggestions that talks could be open-ended. “At the end of membership negotiations either there is full membership or there is nothing. Full membership is not automatic anyway — it may be that we don’t manage to fulfil our side of the bargain and it all ends in failure. So why hobble the process from the start?” Conditions other than the existing political and economic criteria would be unacceptable, he said, especially any permanent brake on the freedom of movement of Turks, millions of whom were already economic migrants in Europe.

Turkey’s economy has been transformed after a crisis in 2001, while numerous reforms, including the abolition of the death penalty, have improved the human rights situation and reduced the power of the military — an institution that staged three coups between 1960 and 1980 and effectively wrote the present constitution. Mr Erdogan acknowledged that the more difficult phase of implementing all these reforms lay ahead, but he was adamant that Turkey had done enough so far to begin negotiations.

A former semi-professional football player, he resorted to sporting terms to describe the situation: “We are not bringing any conditions to this ourselves. But we are seeing here that new rules are being introduced while the game is being played. As this is unacceptable in a game of football, it is equally wrong in a process like this.”

Despite his criticism, he remains optimistic, saying that he expected to be offered a start date within the next year for talks with the goal of full membership. He said: “In the last days of the Ottoman Empire we were then called the sick man of Europe. Note, of Europe, never the sick man of Asia. You said so yourself.”

[font=Verdana]Europa heeft Turkije niet nodig, zeker geen landen die dreigementen aan ons verkopen.[/font]
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De schoofzak · 14 december 2004, 21:00

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door sinan123

Zij kunnen niet begrijpend lezen.
Men met echt beter onderwijs geven.

In mijn geval toch een vodje papier behaald aan de RUG, midden de jaren 70. (en zonder bissen of september-pogingen)
Je kan nu nog proberen met dementie.

13 december 2004, 18:00	#1
Rr00ttt Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 10 december 2003 Berichten: 8.217	Erdogan speelt open kaart: meer terreur als we Turkije niet binnenlaten Sorry, maar nauwelijks verhulde bedreigingen? Dit kan toch echt niet meer... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...1625%2C00.html

13 december 2004, 19:06	#2
Hrafnar Banneling Geregistreerd: 24 oktober 2004 Berichten: 723	Dit is dus echt de bekende druppel... Moslimfascist Erdogan begint nu te dreigen, nu hij zo langzamerhand door begint te krijgen dat Europa niet van een Turks lidmaatschap gediend is. De ware aard van deze Anatolische roofkoekoek en de schurkenstaat die hij vertegenwoordigt, komt hier heel duidelijk naar boven. Europa mag dit niet toelaten, en mag al helemaal niet zwichten voor een zogenaamde terreurdreiging. Mocht dat als gevolg hebben dat Al Qaida, of om het even welke Turken/moslims, aanslagen gaan plegen, dan kan er maar één antwoord zijn en dat is det totale oorlog aan de islam in Europa verklaren. Dan zal het definitief gedaan zijn met het eeuwige pappen en nathouden, en telkens weer aan de terreur(dreiging) van moslims, met Turkije en Marokko voorop, toegeven. Genoeg is genoeg! Laatst gewijzigd door Hrafnar : 13 december 2004 om 19:11.

13 december 2004, 19:55	#3
De schoofzak Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 4 juli 2004 Berichten: 82.096	Ik lees dat toch lichtelijk anders. Maar ik zal jullie niet kunnen overtuigen, vrees ik. Nu ja, er is soms een verschil tussen gelijk hebben en gelijk krijgen. En het ziet ernaar uit dat "ik" gelijk zal krijgen. __________________ Vlaanderen is niet van iedereen. Vlaanderen is enkel van hen die een inspanning doen om ertoe te behoren. De grendel-grondwet moet wijken om eindelijk de broodnodige veranderingen te kunnen doorvoeren. Nadien kan de grondwet herstemd worden. Dat is nog gebeurd. Ik heb de partij gesticht op drie lijnen: Vlaams en Europees, vrij en verantwoordelijk, en sterk en sociaal. Vandaag is dat de grondstroom in Vlaanderen. Geert Bourgeois (N-VA)

13 december 2004, 22:34	#6
RobrechtIV Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 4 december 2004 Berichten: 41	ANKARA, 21 APRIL. De moslim-fundamentalistische burgemeester van de Turkse stad Istanbul, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is vandaag door het staatsveiligheidshof in Diyarbakir veroordeeld tot 10 maanden gevangenisstraf wegens provocerende uitspraken op het terrein van ras en geloof.[size=4] [/size]Erdogan, die deel uitmaakte van de inmiddels ontbonden Welvaartspartij, is met name vervolgd omdat hij de moskeeën de ,,kazernes'' van zijn partij had genoemd. [size=3],,De moskeeën zijn onze kazernes, de minaretten onze bajonetten, de koepels onze helmen en de gelovigen onze soldaten'', [size=2]zo zei Erdogan in december[/size].[/size] Erdogan, die in 1994 werd gekozen tot burgemeester van Istanbul en wordt gezien als kroonprins van Necmettin Erbakan als leider van de fundamentalistische beweging, was niet in de rechtszaal. Hij gaat in beroep. (AFP, Reuters) NRC __________________ www.polinco.net/forum [size=1]Nationalistisch[/size] [size=1]Partijonafhanckelijk[/size] [size=1]... en vooral Dietsch[/size] [size=1]1 taal, 1 volk ![/size]

13 december 2004, 22:45	#7
Wreker Staatssecretaris Geregistreerd: 2 november 2004 Berichten: 2.752	[font=Comic Sans MS]Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership By Suna Erdem Summit must decide whether to open talks RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms itself as a Christian club. “Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will bring about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not welcomed, the world will have to put up with the present situation,” he said, referring to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda — whose local affiliates hit Turkey last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in Istanbul. “That is the very clear and present danger and it is all around us today. There is nothing we can do if the EU feels that it can live with being simply a Christian club . . . but if these countries burn their bridges with the rest of the world, history will not forgive them.” Mr Erdogan’s powerful warning came just days before the EU summit that will decide whether to start formal accession talks with Turkey and against a furious European debate about the effects of incorporating Turkey’s 70 million, mainly Muslim, population into the Union. He was speaking before opening Istanbul’s first modern art museum — an event he had ordered to be brought forward from early next year to help to project a modern image of his country ahead of the summit. After knocking on the EU’s doors for four decades, Turkey is painfully aware that it is viewed abroad as a poor and backward country and that, despite its secular constitution, much of the West is currently afraid of its Muslim tradition. Mr Erdogan is a declared “conservative democrat”, but his background as an Islamic firebrand has led to so many questions that his face broke into a “not again” smile at the mere mention of the problem. “We are Muslim, we are Turkish, we are democratic and our country is secular,” he said, emphasising every phrase. “Nothing else need be said.” Nevertheless, he believed that the EU, in trying to add safeguards and get-out clauses in the draft for the talks, was discriminating against Ankara. “I am of the opinion that Turkey is being faced with tougher criteria compared to other candidate countries,” he said. “No other country had to wait for 41 years at Europe’s door. We have fulfilled all the criteria, but despite this Europeans are hesitating.” Although loath to say so, he feels upset, maybe even betrayed, by suggestions from some, including France, that Turkey might be offered an alternative form of association with the EU if talks fail. “There are 400,000 Turks already living in France . . . what have we done to make them so afraid? We find it hard to understand what it is the French do not understand about us that makes them so wary. There is no such thing in the EU as privileged partnership. No other country has been offered this and there is no way that we will accept such an option for Turkey,” he said. He also rejected suggestions that talks could be open-ended. “At the end of membership negotiations either there is full membership or there is nothing. Full membership is not automatic anyway — it may be that we don’t manage to fulfil our side of the bargain and it all ends in failure. So why hobble the process from the start?” Conditions other than the existing political and economic criteria would be unacceptable, he said, especially any permanent brake on the freedom of movement of Turks, millions of whom were already economic migrants in Europe. Turkey’s economy has been transformed after a crisis in 2001, while numerous reforms, including the abolition of the death penalty, have improved the human rights situation and reduced the power of the military — an institution that staged three coups between 1960 and 1980 and effectively wrote the present constitution. Mr Erdogan acknowledged that the more difficult phase of implementing all these reforms lay ahead, but he was adamant that Turkey had done enough so far to begin negotiations. A former semi-professional football player, he resorted to sporting terms to describe the situation: “We are not bringing any conditions to this ourselves. But we are seeing here that new rules are being introduced while the game is being played. As this is unacceptable in a game of football, it is equally wrong in a process like this.” Despite his criticism, he remains optimistic, saying that he expected to be offered a start date within the next year for talks with the goal of full membership. He said: “In the last days of the Ottoman Empire we were then called the sick man of Europe. Note, of Europe, never the sick man of Asia. You said so yourself.” [font=Verdana]Europa heeft Turkije niet nodig, zeker geen landen die dreigementen aan ons verkopen.[/font] [/font] __________________ Ik vind dat Anatolië tot de EU mag toetreden zodra de Turkse bezetter zich heeft teruggetrokken tot achter de Kaukasus.