Media in VS part two

[democratsteve]

Er is onlangs al wel een thread gestrart over de media in de VS, maar dit artikel vond ik toch te belangrijk om zomaar ergens verborgen op pag.4 van één of andere thread te plaatsen.

By Anthony Wade:

Votergate 2004 is not going away. There are stories every day about the Ukraine and the obvious fraud in their elections but deafening silence about our own elections continues. Last week there were CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS about voter fraud. Not one GOP Representative bothered to attend, desperately afraid of lending any legitimacy to the allegations. What was presented even made Congressman John Conyers object to the elections results! Where was the coverage??? Not one word from the NY Times??? I can understand FOX not covering an event potentially damaging to their boss, Bush, but the NY Times? This is the same paper that apologized to it's readers for it's horrific coverage in the lead up to the Iraq War, and now they give their readers another reason to not trust them as being objective. Even if you think the allegations are baseless, COVER the story!

Now, we have yet another blatant piece of evidence that the Ohio results are fraudulent, and it is greeted with more silence. On Friday, Ken "GOP Whore" Blackwell decided to stop the legal recount being conducted in Greene County Ohio, in mid-count. When the volunteers asked under what authority they were being stopped they were told that Ken Blackwell had determined that “all voter records for the state of Ohio were “locked-down,” and now they are not considered public records.” [SIZE=3]For those who may have been unaware due to the media lockdown, Ken Blackwell is not only the Ohio Secretary of State, but he was also the State Chair of the Bush reelection campaign. Conflict of interest anyone? Katherine Harris redux anyone? [/SIZE]

Now, here is the kicker. Blackwell not only did not have the authority to take this action, he is actually in violation of the law. Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Lastly, ORC Sec. 3599.42 states: “A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.”

[SIZE=4]Did you get that America ? [/SIZE] The Secretary of State of Ohio, who has an obvious conflict of interest by being the State Chair for the reelection of George W. Bush, has now violated the law to stop a recount that could prove that Bush actually lost Ohio, and thus the entire presidential election. [SIZE=4]Where in the hell is the media?[/SIZE] Where is the outrage? Why is this not the TOP story on every network? Why is this not the HEADLINE in every paper? Again, even if you think the fraud allegations will not amount to overturning the election, isn’t the potential of real voter fraud in this country worth reporting?!!! When a man who is so obviously compromised and ethically bankrupt such as Blackwell actually VIOLATES THE LAW, isn’t that considered news? Is it not even more relevant when you consider the ONLY possible reason for Blackwell to illegally stop the recount is that he is afraid of the results?

Apparently Blackwell forgot that the recount was a legal procedure. Obviously his strategy has been to delay and stall. He knows that the further he pushes the process, the harder it will be to overturn the results. These tactics are abhorrent and translucent. Every citizen should be outraged, regardless of party.

We now have a smoking gun, in the hands of Kenneth Blackwell. If mainstream media do not cover both the Blackwell illegalities and the second Congressional hearings about VOTER FRAUD in THIS COUNTRY, then it is time to send them the message they will understand, BOYCOTT. If your local paper, in my case the NY Times, refuses to acknowledge that CONGRESS IS MEETING TO INVESTIGATE FRAUD, and that Kenneth Blackwell HAS NOW BROKEN THE LAW TO PROTECT BUSH, then it is time to cancel subscriptions, tell them why, and never read their product again if they refuse to represent YOUR interests and present the news, not determine what you will and will not read. Anything less is unacceptable and un-American.

En dat de Tombs, Antoons of welk ander Bush-adept dat hier frequenteert nu eindlijk eens[SIZE=4] hun kop dichthouden over vrijheid in Amerika onder Bush![/SIZE]

[mad_drone]

ach ja. Misschien moeten we er ook eens een krant gaan opstarten.

[exodus]

Ongelooflijk, dit zijn situaties die ruiken naar Duitland in de jaren 30. En waarom zwijgen die mainstream media allemaal? Hun bestuurshoofden zijn lid van de Council On Foreign relations. Het systeem is door en door corrupt.

[exodus]

Hier een zeer onvolledige lijst van de leden van de Council on Foreign relations in Amerika, van de media. Dit is het echte establishment, en zo ziet men dat de mainstream media de spreekbuis is van het establischment.

NEWSPAPERS

Los Angeles Times

David Laventhol, fmr Pub CEO CFR
C. Shelbey Coffey, III, Ed VP CFR
Frank del Olmo, Dep. Ed. CFR
Anthony Day, formr Sr. Corres. CFR
Jack Nelson, Wash. Bur. Ch. CFR
Robin Wright, Wash. Corres. CFR

New York Times

Jack Rosenthal, Mng. Ed. CFR
Karl E. Meyer, Editorial Bd. CFR
Mitchel R. Levitas, Sr. Ed. CFR
John B. Oakes, fmr. Sr. Ed. CFR
Flora Lewis, Sr. Columnist CFR/TC
A.M. Rosenthal, Wash. Bur. CFR
Thomas L. Friedman, Col. CFR
Richard Bernstein, Book Critic B
Richard L. Gelb. Dir. CFR
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., Dir CFR
George B. Munroe, Dir. CFR
Donald M. Stewart, Dir CFR
Cyrus R. Vance, Dir CFR

Times Mirror Co.

Robert f. Erburu, Ch, CEO CFR/TC
Curtis A. Hessler, Exec. VP CFR
Robert C. Toth, Sr. Assoc. CFR
David Abram Laventhol, Ed.Lg. CFR

Wall Street Journal

Robert L. Bartley, VP CFR/B
Frederick s. Kempe, WSJ Eur CFR
Paul E. Steiger, Mng. Ed. CFR
Daniel P. Henninger, Dep. Ed. CFR
Paul Gigot, Wash. Colmn. B
Russell H. Fifield, Contr. Asia CFR
John Train, Writer CFR

Washington Post

Katharine Graham CFR/TC/B
James E. Burke, Dir CFR
Ralph E. Gomery, Dir CFR
Robert G. Kaiser, Mag. Ed. CFR
Michael Getler, Asst. Mng. Ed. CFR
Meg Greenfield, Ed. Page Ed. CFR
Stephen S. Rosenfeld, Dp. Ed. CFR
Jimmie L. Hoagland, Asso. Ed. CFR
Caryle Marie Murphy, Fm. Cor. CFR
Charles Krauthammer, Col CFR
Walter H. Pincus, Nat'l Rpter CFR
Don Oberdorfer, Writer CFR
Karen DeYoung CFR
Chalmers McG. Roberts. Col. CFR

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Er is onlangs al wel een thread gestrart over de media in de VS, maar dit artikel vond ik toch te belangrijk om zomaar ergens verborgen op pag.4 van één of andere thread te plaatsen.

By Anthony Wade:

Votergate 2004 is not going away. There are stories every day about the Ukraine and the obvious fraud in their elections but deafening silence about our own elections continues. Last week there were CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS about voter fraud. Not one GOP Representative bothered to attend, desperately afraid of lending any legitimacy to the allegations. What was presented even made Congressman John Conyers object to the elections results! Where was the coverage??? Not one word from the NY Times??? I can understand FOX not covering an event potentially damaging to their boss, Bush, but the NY Times? This is the same paper that apologized to it's readers for it's horrific coverage in the lead up to the Iraq War, and now they give their readers another reason to not trust them as being objective. Even if you think the allegations are baseless, COVER the story!

Now, we have yet another blatant piece of evidence that the Ohio results are fraudulent, and it is greeted with more silence. On Friday, Ken "GOP Whore" Blackwell decided to stop the legal recount being conducted in Greene County Ohio, in mid-count. When the volunteers asked under what authority they were being stopped they were told that Ken Blackwell had determined that “all voter records for the state of Ohio were “locked-down,” and now they are not considered public records.” [size=3]For those who may have been unaware due to the media lockdown, Ken Blackwell is not only the Ohio Secretary of State, but he was also the State Chair of the Bush reelection campaign. Conflict of interest anyone? Katherine Harris redux anyone? [/size]

Now, here is the kicker. Blackwell not only did not have the authority to take this action, he is actually in violation of the law. Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Lastly, ORC Sec. 3599.42 states: “A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.”

[size=4]Did you get that America ? [/size]The Secretary of State of Ohio, who has an obvious conflict of interest by being the State Chair for the reelection of George W. Bush, has now violated the law to stop a recount that could prove that Bush actually lost Ohio, and thus the entire presidential election. [size=4]Where in the hell is the media?[/size] Where is the outrage? Why is this not the TOP story on every network? Why is this not the HEADLINE in every paper? Again, even if you think the fraud allegations will not amount to overturning the election, isn’t the potential of real voter fraud in this country worth reporting?!!! When a man who is so obviously compromised and ethically bankrupt such as Blackwell actually VIOLATES THE LAW, isn’t that considered news? Is it not even more relevant when you consider the ONLY possible reason for Blackwell to illegally stop the recount is that he is afraid of the results?

Apparently Blackwell forgot that the recount was a legal procedure. Obviously his strategy has been to delay and stall. He knows that the further he pushes the process, the harder it will be to overturn the results. These tactics are abhorrent and translucent. Every citizen should be outraged, regardless of party.

We now have a smoking gun, in the hands of Kenneth Blackwell. If mainstream media do not cover both the Blackwell illegalities and the second Congressional hearings about VOTER FRAUD in THIS COUNTRY, then it is time to send them the message they will understand, BOYCOTT. If your local paper, in my case the NY Times, refuses to acknowledge that CONGRESS IS MEETING TO INVESTIGATE FRAUD, and that Kenneth Blackwell HAS NOW BROKEN THE LAW TO PROTECT BUSH, then it is time to cancel subscriptions, tell them why, and never read their product again if they refuse to represent YOUR interests and present the news, not determine what you will and will not read. Anything less is unacceptable and un-American.

En dat de Tombs, Antoons of welk ander Bush-adept dat hier frequenteert nu eindlijk eens[size=4] hun kop dichthouden over vrijheid in Amerika onder Bush![/size]

Jongens wat een hysterie. De reden waarom zelfs de overdreven pro-democratische en voluit anti-republikeinse New York Times niet ingaat op die rommel is precies omdat het rommel is.

De democratische en buitenlandse watch dogs tijdens de verkiezingen hebben allemaal positief advies gegeven over de verloop van de verkiezingen. Ook in Ohio was het overduidelijk dat zelfs na het tellen van de overgebleven stemmen Bush zo overtuigend had gewonnen dat zijn voorsprong nooit kon worden ingehaald. En toch hebben ze alle stemmen geteld, om dat te bevestigen.

De vraag om te hertellen is gewoon overal opgedoken door slechte verliezers die het proces willen ondermijnen.
Er was nergens genoeg reden om ook maar een stem te hertellen. De resultaten zijn overduidelijk en zonder enige twijfel van juistheid.

Er is ook een melding gemaakt van een kleine fraude ergens in een district in Ohio, en dat is mede door de republikeinen bevestigd. Maar het ging om zo'n klein aantal stemmen dat het te negeren was.

Ik heb voor de democratsteves en andere onvoorwaardelijke anti's, slechte verliezers en dromers van complottheorieën deze boodschap: De Verenigde Staten van Amerika zijn nog altijd dè referentie en hèt symbool op gebied van vrijheid, waaronder ook de vrijheid van meningsuiting. Ook onder Bush.

Learn to live with it.

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Er is ook een melding gemaakt van een [SIZE=3]kleine fraude[/SIZE] ergens in een district in Ohio, en dat is mede door de republikeinen bevestigd. Maar het ging om zo'n klein aantal stemmen dat het te [SIZE=3]negeren [/SIZE] was.


Learn to live with it.

I rest my case!

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

I rest my case!

Heb je gelijk in. Het verhaal is klaar en duidelijk. En door iedereen aanvaard als afgesloten : de republikeinen, de democraten en de externe waarnemers.

Waarom zou dan gevolg worden gegeven aan een aantal slechte verliezers die proberen van helemaal niets "een affaire" op te bouwen met als enige doel heel het systeem te discrediteren, tewrijl het geheel volledig fair en eerlijk is gespeeld?

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Waarom zou dan gevolg worden gegeven aan een aantal slechte verliezers die proberen van helemaal niets "een affaire" op te bouwen met als enige doel heel het systeem te discrediteren, tewrijl het geheel volledig fair en eerlijk is gespeeld?

Zie je de contradicties in je twee laatste posts?

Hier nog een artikeltje, speciaal voor u.
Want nee, er is helemaal niets aan de hand.

Election 2004

Startling new revelations highlight rare Congressional hearings on Ohio vote
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
December 13, 2004

Startling new revelations about Ohio's presidential vote have been uncovered as Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee join Rev. Jesse Jackson in Columbus, the state capital, on Monday, Dec. 13, to hold a rare field hearing into election malfeasance and manipulation in the 2004 vote. The Congressional delegation will include Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, and others.

Taken together, the revelations show Republicans – in state and county government, and in the Ohio Republican Party – were determined to undermine and suppress Democratic turnout by a wide variety of methods.

The revelations were included in affidavits gathered for an election challenge lawsuit filed Monday at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ohio's Republican Electoral College representatives are also to meet at noon, Monday, at the State House, even though the presidential recount, requested by the Green and Libertarian Parties, is only beginning the same day.

On Sunday, John Kerry spoke with Rev. Jesse Jackson and urged him to take an more active role in investigating the irregularities and ensuring a fair and impartial recount. Kerry said there were three areas of inquiry that should be addressed: 92,000 ballots that recorded no vote for president; qualifying and counting provisional ballots; and supported an independent analysis of the software and set-up of the optical scan voting machines.

What follows are excerpts from some of the affidavits for the election challenge.

- In Warren County, where election officers declared a homeland security emergency on Election Day, and barred reporters and others from watching the vote count, it now has been revealed that county employees were told the previous Thursday they should prepare for the Election Day lockdown. That disclosure suggests the lockdown was a political decision, not a true security risk. Moreover, statements also describe how ballots were left unguarded and unprotected in a warehouse on Election Day, and they were hastily moved after county officials received complaints.

- In Franklin County, where Columbus is located, the election director, Matt Damschroder, misinformed a federal court on Election Day when he testified the county had no additional voting machines – in response to a Voting Rights Act lawsuit brought by the state Democratic Party that minority precincts were intentionally deprived of machines. It now appears as many as 81 voting machines were being held back, out of 2,866 available, according to recent statements by Damschroder and Bill Anthony, the chairman of the Franklin County Board of Elections. The shortage of machines in Democratic-leaning districts lead to long lines and thousands of people leaving in frustration and not voting. Damschroder's contradictory statements raise the possibility of perjury.

- Also in Franklin County, a worker at the Holiday Inn observed a team of 25 people who called themselves the "Texas Strike Force" using payphones to make intimidating calls to likely voters, targeting people recently in the prison system. The "Texas Strike Force" members paid their way to Ohio, but their hotel accommodations were paid for by the Ohio Republican Party, whose headquarters is across the street. The hotel worker heard one caller threaten a likely voter with being reported to the FBI and returning to jail if he voted. Another hotel worker called the police, who came but did nothing.

- In Knox County, students at Kenyon College, a liberal arts school, stood in line for up to 11 hours, because only one voting machine was in use. However, at nearby Mt. Vernon Nazarene University, there were ample voting machines and no lines. This suggests the GOP shorting of voting machines was a more widespread tactic than just targeting inner-city neighborhoods.

- Reports in sworn affadavits affirm numerous instances of direct official interference with the right to vote. In Warren County, Democrats were being targeted and forced to use provisional ballots, even if they had proper identification. These ballots were then subjected to more rigorous standards to be counted than were other ballots. In a half-dozen precincts in Franklin County, people who were not inside polling places by 7:30 PM were told to leave - even if they had waited in line for hours. This is a violation of the Voting Rights Act. Sworn affidavits also confirmed reports of old voter rolls being used, meaning that new voters were not on the list and would be given provisional ballots, if allowed to vote at all.

Affidavits were also filed in support of the election challenge suit raising questions about manipulating exit poll results and computer tabulation of county and statewide votes.

In one exit poll affidavit, Jonathan David Simon, an expert witness, notes that at 12:53 a.m. the exit polls altered the projected winner – even though the same number of votes had been cast. "Although each update reports the same number of respondents (872), the reported results differ significantly, with the latter (12:53 a.m.) exit poll results apparently having been brought into congruence with the tabulated vote results." In other words, the exit polls were made to conform to a political decision to declare Bush the victor.

Another exit poll affidavit, filed by Ron Paul Baiman, an economist and statistician at the University of Illinois and University of Chicago, said the swing in national exit poll results, recorded at 12:33 a.m., when Kerry was winning with 50.8 percent of the vote, to Bush winning with 51.2 percent, was, "in lay terms, impossible."

"This is more than a 100 percent swing in the other direction of the exit poll margin, he said. "There is less than a one in 25,000,000 (1/25,507,308) chance of this occurring."

Another affidavit by Richard Hayes Phillips, a geomorphology Ph.D. from University of Oregon with a special expertise in spotting anomalous data, found dramatic examples of erroneous voting patterns – with votes taken away from Kerry - that can only be explained by computer manipulation.

For instance, in 16 precincts in Cleveland, he found votes that were shifted from Kerry to other candidates. In at least 30 precincts, there was ultra-low voter turnout reported – as low as 7.1 percent or 13.05 percent – and seven entire wards where total turnout was below 50 percent. He writes, "Kerry won Cleveland with 83.27 percent of the vote to 15.88 percent for Bush. If voter turnout were really 60 percent of registered voters, as seems likely based on turnout in other major cities of Ohio, rather than 49.89 percent as reported, Kerry's margin of victory in Cleveland has been wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes."

Phillips points to other counties where has says "there is compelling evidence of fraud." In Miami County early on election night, when 31,620 votes had been counted, and later, when 50,235 votes were counted, "Kerry had exactly the same percentage, 33.92 percent, and the percentage for George Bush was almost exactly the same, dropping by 0.03 percent from 65.80 to 65.77 percent. The second set of returns gave Bush a margin of exactly 16,000 votes, giving cause to question the integrity of the central counting device for the optical scan machines. "

He cites many other examples, but summarizes his findings: "It is my professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of victory were wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes in Cleveland, by 17,000 votes in Columbus, and by as many as 7,000 votes in Toledo. It is my further professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of defeat in Warren, Butler, and Clermont Counties were inflated by as many as 37,000 votes in the aggregate, and in Miami County by as many as 6,000 votes. There are still 92,672 uncounted regular ballots that, based upon the analysis set forth of the election results from Dayton and Cincinnati, may be expected to break for John Kerry by an overwhelming margin. And there are still 14,441 uncounted provisional ballots."

--
Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of OHIO'S STOLEN ELECTION: VOICES OF THE DISENFRANCHISED, 2004, upcoming from www.freepress.org.

[Antoon]

Die website freepress waar jij alles vandaan kopieert is zeer vergelijkbaar met de website van antifa. Ik heb er eventjes door gesurft.

Tot zover de geloofwaardigheid....

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Die website freepress waar jij alles vandaan kopieert is zeer vergelijkbaar met de website van antifa. Ik heb er eventjes door gesurft.

Tot zover de geloofwaardigheid....

Ik neem aan dat het dus voor u met uw geweldige kennis én bronnen in de US, geen enkel probeem is om bovenstaande te weerleggen?
Ik wacht.
Steeds doet u hetzelfde wanneer u zonder argumenten valt. De bron trachten te discrediteren. De bron in deze hele verkiezingsfraude is Judicial Watch!!!!!!!
U weet toch wie Judicial Watch is???????

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Interessant dat je nu Osama Bin Laden in het kamp van Bush zet. Alle, dat je dit nu ook weer klakkeloos gelooft omdat het ook zo op jouw favoriete websites van Tribel Messenger en Conspiracy Planet beweerd wordt.

Dat jij, zelfverklaard Amerika-kenner, nog steeds de band tussen Bush – bin Laden en de Saudi’s tracht te onkennen is echt wel schokkend. Btw Antoon, had jij vòòr 9/11 ooit gehoord van bin Laden?
Ik denk het niet. En dat is geen schande hoor. Je bent maar net al 99% van de bevolking.
Wist je bijvoorbeeld dat in ’98 de CIA tot drie keer toe bin Laden had gelocaliseerd, Clinton 3 keer de approval had gegeven hem uit te schakelen met een raketaanval en CIA-baas Tenet 3 keer heeft geweigerd, zogezegd omdat de bronnen niet betrouwbaar waren?
Enfin, hier nog enkele artikeltjes over de band Bush – bin Laden.

Judicial Watch Blasts Bush's Business Connection with bin Laden's Family
JUDICIAL WATCH
Legal Group Blasts Papa Shrub on Bin Laden Link
BUSH SR. COULD PROFIT FROM WAR
Bin Laden's Family Link to Bush
DAILY MAIL
Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
CORP WATCH
Bush Gave the Taliban 132 Million Dollars This Year
BUSH WATCH
From 1997 -- Here They Were Conniving to Set up the Deal: Flashback: Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline
BBC
Bush's Favorite Terrorist Buddy
&CARLYLE GROUP (BUSH, SR. ETC) PROFITS INCREASING FROM AFGHAN WAR
Did bin Laden have help from U.S. friends?
AN INTRIGUING NEW BOOK, JUST PUBLISHED IN FRANCE, DETAILS THE CURIOUSLY AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE REGIME OF U.S. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND AFGHANISTAN'S TALIBAN, A RELATIONSHIP THAT TURNED HOSTILE ONLY AFTER THE TERROR ATTACKS OF SEPT. 11
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
ONLINE JOURNAL
Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas
QUESTIONABLE TIES
Bush advisers cashed in on Saudi gravy train
THOSE LUCRATIVE FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIPS CALL INTO QUESTION THE ABILITY OF AMERICA'S POLITICAL ELITE TO MAKE TOUGH FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT THE KINGDOM THAT PRODUCED OSAMA BIN LADEN AND IS PERHAPS THE BIGGEST INCUBATOR FOR ANTI-WESTERN ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Sorry, merk dat de links naar de artikels niet werken.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

De Verenigde Staten van Amerika zijn nog altijd dè referentie en hèt symbool op gebied van vrijheid, waaronder ook de vrijheid van meningsuiting. Ook onder Bush.

The US government asks the major US TV networks to refrain from showing unedited video messages taped by Osama bin Laden. [SIZE=2]They agree[/SIZE]. A Newsweek article is critical of the decision, pointing out “all but one [of these networks] are controlled by major conglomerates that have important pending business with the government.” The article openly questions if the media is “doing too much of the government's bidding” in reporting on 9/11. Says one expert, “I'm not saying that everything is a horrible paranoid fantasy, but my sense is there's an implicit quid pro quo here. The industry seems to be saying to the administration, ‘we're patriotic, we're supporting the war, we lost all of this advertising, now free us from [business] constraints.’ ” [NEWSWEEK 10/13/01]


In a speech to the United Nations General Assembly, President Bush states: “We must speak the truth about terror. Let us [SIZE=1]never tolerate [/SIZE] outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.” [WHITE HOUSE 11/1/01]

Dit was als reactie op een bericht in een Tampa newspaper waarin melding werd gemaakt van de Saudi’s die, ondanks de totale ‘airban’ het land hadden verlaten. De regering heeft dit feit 2 jaar lang ontkent. Uiteindelijk in maart 2003 hebben ze het toegegeven.

[democratsteve]

fout

[TomB]

Uiteraard, er zijn zodanig zware fouten gebeurd bij het tellen dat de democrats zich onmiddelijk bij de uitslag hebben neergelegd. Allez, allemaal behalve 1 enkele, democrat steve.

Maar wacht, die zitten mee in het complot, want dat is allemaal Skull and Bones. Dus uiteindelijk zijn er eigenlijk helemaal geen verkiezingen in de VS, ze zetten gewoon om de vier jaar een mediacircus op touw dat miljarden kost en alles staat op voorhand vast.
(insert picture of skull and bones here)

Dat het een nek aan nek race is, dat doen ze om de kijkcijfers die avond hoog te houden, want kijk eens aan: Alle bedrijven die die avond adveteerden op de networks hebben een politieke invoeld in Washington. (insert list of influential individuals here)

Ze pikken er zo elke keer 1 staat uit, waarvan ze op voorhand weten dat die welbepaalde staat de scharnierstaat gaat zijn. Zo wisten ze op voorhand dat dat in 2000 Florida ging zijn, en in 2004 Ohio.

Tof he, zo van de theorien maken.

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Uiteraard, er zijn zodanig zware fouten gebeurd bij het tellen dat de democrats zich onmiddelijk bij de uitslag hebben neergelegd. Allez, allemaal behalve 1 enkele, democrat steve.


Tof he, zo van de theorien maken.

Euh, zijn dat mijn theoriën die hierboven zijn gepost denk je?

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Uiteraard, er zijn zodanig zware fouten gebeurd bij het tellen dat de democrats zich onmiddelijk bij de uitslag hebben neergelegd. Allez, allemaal behalve 1 enkele, democrat steve.

Maar wacht, die zitten mee in het complot, want dat is allemaal Skull and Bones. Dus uiteindelijk zijn er eigenlijk helemaal geen verkiezingen in de VS, ze zetten gewoon om de vier jaar een mediacircus op touw dat miljarden kost en alles staat op voorhand vast.
(insert picture of skull and bones here)

Dat het een nek aan nek race is, dat doen ze om de kijkcijfers die avond hoog te houden, want kijk eens aan: Alle bedrijven die die avond adveteerden op de networks hebben een politieke invoeld in Washington. (insert list of influential individuals here)

Ze pikken er zo elke keer 1 staat uit, waarvan ze op voorhand weten dat die welbepaalde staat de scharnierstaat gaat zijn. Zo wisten ze op voorhand dat dat in 2000 Florida ging zijn, en in 2004 Ohio.

Tof he, zo van de theorien maken.

Eigenlijk zielig dat er mensen zijn die naar zo'n theorieën leven. tss,tss.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Dat jij, zelfverklaard Amerika-kenner, nog steeds de band tussen Bush – bin Laden en de Saudi’s tracht te onkennen is echt wel schokkend. Btw Antoon, had jij vòòr 9/11 ooit gehoord van bin Laden?
Ik denk het niet. En dat is geen schande hoor. Je bent maar net al 99% van de bevolking.
Wist je bijvoorbeeld dat in ’98 de CIA tot drie keer toe bin Laden had gelocaliseerd, Clinton 3 keer de approval had gegeven hem uit te schakelen met een raketaanval en CIA-baas Tenet 3 keer heeft geweigerd, zogezegd omdat de bronnen niet betrouwbaar waren?
Enfin, hier nog enkele artikeltjes over de band Bush – bin Laden.

Judicial Watch Blasts Bush's Business Connection with bin Laden's Family
JUDICIAL WATCH
Legal Group Blasts Papa Shrub on Bin Laden Link
BUSH SR. COULD PROFIT FROM WAR
Bin Laden's Family Link to Bush
DAILY MAIL
Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
CORP WATCH
Bush Gave the Taliban 132 Million Dollars This Year
BUSH WATCH
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Bush's Favorite Terrorist Buddy
&CARLYLE GROUP (BUSH, SR. ETC) PROFITS INCREASING FROM AFGHAN WAR
Did bin Laden have help from U.S. friends?
AN INTRIGUING NEW BOOK, JUST PUBLISHED IN FRANCE, DETAILS THE CURIOUSLY AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE REGIME OF U.S. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND AFGHANISTAN'S TALIBAN, A RELATIONSHIP THAT TURNED HOSTILE ONLY AFTER THE TERROR ATTACKS OF SEPT. 11
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ONLINE JOURNAL
Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas
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Bush advisers cashed in on Saudi gravy train
THOSE LUCRATIVE FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIPS CALL INTO QUESTION THE ABILITY OF AMERICA'S POLITICAL ELITE TO MAKE TOUGH FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT THE KINGDOM THAT PRODUCED OSAMA BIN LADEN AND IS PERHAPS THE BIGGEST INCUBATOR FOR ANTI-WESTERN ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Sorry, merk dat de links naar de artikels niet werken.

Waar het mij om gaat is dat dezelfde websites en bronnen die vandaag het verhaal vertellen en steunen wat jij hier neerpent, en die als bewijs om hun verhaal te staven de boodschap van Bin Laden net voor de verkiezingen aanhalen, alsook het feit dat Bin Laden al lang had kunenn worden gevat, etc.... Wel diezelfde 'bronnen' wisten twee jaar geleden honderd procent zeker dat Bin Laden meteen na de inval van de Amerikanen in Afghanistan was dood geschoten en dat de Amerikanen dat verzwegen om hem als zondebok te gebruiken. Pagina's lange complot-theorieën, met bewijs en al......

Vandaar.

[Katun]

De producent van de meeste stemcomputers, Diebold, is een van de grootste Bush sponsors (financieel) en heeft openlijk verkondigd dat ze Bush opnieuw in het Witte Huis zouden krijgen. In meer dan de helft van de staten werden onmiddellijk na de aanvang van de verkiezingen onregelmatigheden gerapporteerd aan de Verified Voting Foundation. De software voor die computers is (nog steeds) niet open source.

Uw (hopelijk eens niet zwart/witte) reaktie hierop Antoon?

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Katun

De producent van de meeste stemcomputers, Diebold, is een van de grootste Bush sponsors (financieel) en heeft openlijk verkondigd dat ze Bush opnieuw in het Witte Huis zouden krijgen. In meer dan de helft van de staten werden onmiddellijk na de aanvang van de verkiezingen onregelmatigheden gerapporteerd aan de Verified Voting Foundation. De software voor die computers is (nog steeds) niet open source.

Uw (hopelijk eens niet zwart/witte) reaktie hierop Antoon?

Als al deze feiten door jou zomaar als 'waar' aangenomen worden, en je er bovendien uit concludeer dat er gefraudeerd is, dan denk ik dat het zwart/wit denken deze keer niet van mij komt.

[Katun]

Uw veronderstelling dat ik deze berichten "zomaar" voor waar aanneem is zwart/wit genoeg me dunkt. U doet niet eens de moeite om ze te controleren bij de diverse gevestigde media en persagentschappen.

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Waar het mij om gaat is dat dezelfde websites en bronnen die vandaag het verhaal vertellen en steunen wat jij hier neerpent, en die als bewijs om hun verhaal te staven de boodschap van Bin Laden net voor de verkiezingen aanhalen, alsook het feit dat Bin Laden al lang had kunenn worden gevat, etc.... Wel diezelfde 'bronnen' wisten twee jaar geleden honderd procent zeker dat Bin Laden meteen na de inval van de Amerikanen in Afghanistan was dood geschoten en dat de Amerikanen dat verzwegen om hem als zondebok te gebruiken. Pagina's lange complot-theorieën, met bewijs en al......

Vandaar.

Antoon, het gaan hier niet om een "verhaal" steunen. Dit zijn citaten van mensen die hebben megewerkt aan de afgelopen verkiezingen.
Ten tweede, ook de BBC en de NYT en de WP en zowat ieder gerespecteerd pers- of nieuwsorgaan hebben er ooit wel eens naast gezeten met hun berichtgeving. Met zulke redenatie kan je uiteraard iéder bericht in vraag stellen. Trouwens, ik ben alleen verantwoordelijk voor hetgeen IK hier neerpen. Dus gelieve te reageren op wat IK hier neerschrijf, niet op de eventuele betrouwbaarheid van de bronnen waaruit ik uit put.
En voor de derde keer; mijn voornaamste bron over de onregelmatigheden bij de laatste stembusgang is JudicialWatch. Een officieel controleorgaan van de Republikeinse partij.