De omerta, macht en manipulatie bij ‘wetenschappers’

Hoofdstraat · 25 augustus 2022, 06:51

Een Brits politieker die middenin de covid crisis mee de beslissingen nam beweert nu dat het verkeerd was om wetenschappers zoveel macht te geven. Er werd niet voldoende gekeken naar de gevolgen van beslissingen zoals ziekenhuizen legen en scholen sluiten.
Zijn oppositie werd zelfs uit de verslagen gewist en hij mocht ze niet openbaar bespreken. Hij moest met een spion werken om te horen wat er werkelijk werd gezegd in de vergaderingen.

Hij was minder bezorgd over het beperken van de economie maar die blijkt het grootste leed te veroorzaken wereldwijd in de volgende 10 jaar. Dus zelfs Sunak heeft nog niet echt door wat ze hebben aangericht maar het besef van hoe ze gemanipuleerd werden is er toch al.

De wetenschap zit nog steeds gevangen in een web van belangenvermenging, zwijgplicht, schrik om financiering te verliezen, peer pressure, schrik om werk te verliezen, schrik om in het antivaxx kamp gezet te worden, media manipulatie enzovoort … Wetenschappelijk was/is zo’n lockdown totaal niet te verantwoorden vanwege de extreme gevolgen, toch stonden onze wetenschappers aan de basis van al die beslissingen.

Sunak says it was a mistake to ‘empower scientists’ during Covid pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...covid-pandemic

Ex-chancellor admits being furious about school closures, adding trade-offs of lockdowns were not properly considered by experts

Rishi Sunak has claimed that it was a mistake to “empower scientists” during the coronavirus pandemic and that his opposition to closing schools was met with silence during one meeting.

The Conservative leadership candidate believes one of the major errors was allowing the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) to have so much influence on decision making such as closing nurseries, schools and colleges in March 2020.

Sunak also disclosed that he was banned from discussing the “trade-offs” of imposing coronavirus-related restrictions such as missed doctor’s appointments and NHS waiting list backlogs.

In an interview with the Spectator to be published on Saturday, the former chancellor said: “We shouldn’t have empowered the scientists in the way we did. And you have to acknowledge trade-offs from the beginning.

“If we’d done all of that, we could be in a very different place. We’d probably have made different decisions on things like schools.”

Schools in the UK shut with the exception of those for looking after the children of keyworkers and vulnerable children. Some schools started to reopen in August 2020.

Sunak said during one meeting he tried to voice his opposition to closing schools, saying he got “very emotional about it”. The former chancellor added: “I was like: ‘Forget about the economy – surely we can all agree that kids not being in school is a major nightmare.’ “There was a big silence afterwards. It was the first time someone had said it. I was so furious.”

He said that minutes from Sage meetings were edited, which resulted in opposing opinions being omitted from the final draft. Sunak added: “Those meetings were literally me around that table, just fighting. It was incredibly uncomfortable every single time.”

Sunak said Sage advisers were unaware for “a very long time that there was a Treasury person on all their calls”.

He revealed that his Treasury official briefed him on what was said during the meetings and what was omitted by telling him “actually, it turns out that lots of people disagreed with that conclusion” or “here are the reasons that they were not sure about it”.

patrickve · 25 augustus 2022, 07:00

Ha, zalig. Er komen dus barsten in de Factcheckers

(lees: kwakzalverij).

Hoofdstraat · 25 augustus 2022, 07:11

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door patrickve

Ha, zalig. Er komen dus barsten in de Factcheckers

(lees: kwakzalverij).

Omdat hij meedingt voor het Tori leiderschap komt het ook in alle Britse media, al is het bij de BBC wel erg summier.

Mr Sunak said it had been "wrong" to scare people with campaign posters showing Covid patients on ventilators.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62664537

Onzijdig · 25 augustus 2022, 07:29

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hoofdstraat

Omdat hij meedingt voor het Tori leiderschap komt het ook in alle Britse media, al is het bij de BBC wel erg summier.

Mr Sunak said it had been "wrong" to scare people with campaign posters showing Covid patients on ventilators.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62664537

Dat noemen ze politieke spelletjes, efkens in de beerput roeren.

25 augustus 2022, 06:51	#1
Hoofdstraat Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 19 april 2017 Berichten: 26.247	De omerta, macht en manipulatie bij ‘wetenschappers’ Een Brits politieker die middenin de covid crisis mee de beslissingen nam beweert nu dat het verkeerd was om wetenschappers zoveel macht te geven. Er werd niet voldoende gekeken naar de gevolgen van beslissingen zoals ziekenhuizen legen en scholen sluiten. Zijn oppositie werd zelfs uit de verslagen gewist en hij mocht ze niet openbaar bespreken. Hij moest met een spion werken om te horen wat er werkelijk werd gezegd in de vergaderingen. Hij was minder bezorgd over het beperken van de economie maar die blijkt het grootste leed te veroorzaken wereldwijd in de volgende 10 jaar. Dus zelfs Sunak heeft nog niet echt door wat ze hebben aangericht maar het besef van hoe ze gemanipuleerd werden is er toch al. De wetenschap zit nog steeds gevangen in een web van belangenvermenging, zwijgplicht, schrik om financiering te verliezen, peer pressure, schrik om werk te verliezen, schrik om in het antivaxx kamp gezet te worden, media manipulatie enzovoort … Wetenschappelijk was/is zo’n lockdown totaal niet te verantwoorden vanwege de extreme gevolgen, toch stonden onze wetenschappers aan de basis van al die beslissingen. Sunak says it was a mistake to ‘empower scientists’ during Covid pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/politics...covid-pandemic Ex-chancellor admits being furious about school closures, adding trade-offs of lockdowns were not properly considered by experts Rishi Sunak has claimed that it was a mistake to “empower scientists” during the coronavirus pandemic and that his opposition to closing schools was met with silence during one meeting. The Conservative leadership candidate believes one of the major errors was allowing the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) to have so much influence on decision making such as closing nurseries, schools and colleges in March 2020. Sunak also disclosed that he was banned from discussing the “trade-offs” of imposing coronavirus-related restrictions such as missed doctor’s appointments and NHS waiting list backlogs. In an interview with the Spectator to be published on Saturday, the former chancellor said: “We shouldn’t have empowered the scientists in the way we did. And you have to acknowledge trade-offs from the beginning. “If we’d done all of that, we could be in a very different place. We’d probably have made different decisions on things like schools.” Schools in the UK shut with the exception of those for looking after the children of keyworkers and vulnerable children. Some schools started to reopen in August 2020. Sunak said during one meeting he tried to voice his opposition to closing schools, saying he got “very emotional about it”. The former chancellor added: “I was like: ‘Forget about the economy – surely we can all agree that kids not being in school is a major nightmare.’ “There was a big silence afterwards. It was the first time someone had said it. I was so furious.” He said that minutes from Sage meetings were edited, which resulted in opposing opinions being omitted from the final draft. Sunak added: “Those meetings were literally me around that table, just fighting. It was incredibly uncomfortable every single time.” Sunak said Sage advisers were unaware for “a very long time that there was a Treasury person on all their calls”. He revealed that his Treasury official briefed him on what was said during the meetings and what was omitted by telling him “actually, it turns out that lots of people disagreed with that conclusion” or “here are the reasons that they were not sure about it”.

25 augustus 2022, 07:00	#2
patrickve Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 24 februari 2009 Locatie: Grenoble, Frankrijk Berichten: 113.597	Ha, zalig. Er komen dus barsten in de Factcheckers (lees: kwakzalverij). Laatst gewijzigd door patrickve : 25 augustus 2022 om 07:01.