US. Democratie, Politiestaat of Militaire dictatuur?

[democratsteve]

Ik herinner me niet meer op welk topic het was, maar ik las laatst een reactie van iemand die verbaasd was dat Bush werd vergeleken met Hitler.
Ik ga niet zover de personen an sich te vergelijken, doch de politieke koers die de VS vaart sinds 9/11 toont opvallende gelijkenissen.
Ik heb een tijdje geleden al eens enkele voorbeelden geplaatst van kleuters en kinderen die gehandboeid worden afgevoerd op school.
Op de vraag aan de US lovers hoe ze zouden reageren mocht dit hier in Belgie met hun kind gebeuren, bleef het stil.

Hieronder een korte conclusie van S.Ritsema over de gelijkenissen tussen de de plotiek van Hitler in de jaren 30 en die van de Bush administration vandaag:

Scott Ritsema | March 16, 2005

Many Americans, regardless of political persuasion, understand that America has embarked upon a march toward tyranny throughout the 20th century. Since 9/11, the march has sped to a near sprint. The American founding and Constitution, however, established protections against centralized tyranny. This protection of liberty, in fact, was the central priority of the Founding Fathers. If we want to prevent tyranny from completely enveloping our nation, we would do well not only to renew our commitment to the principles of our founding, but also to learn the lessons of history, particularly embodied in the obvious five-step playbook of tyrants, such as Adolph Hitler. One could write an entire book paralleling Hitler’s dictatorship with the recent American experience in near-tyranny. For now, briefly summarizing this elementary five-step game plan is a simple yet shockingly necessary exercise.

Step 1: Eliminate the Legislative Process

Our Founding Fathers understood that the legislative branch, being closest to the people, would be the most powerful branch of government, most representative of the individual liberties of the people. Likewise, Hitler knew that to wield total power, he needed to do away with the legislature. In Germany, the destruction of the legislative branch began symbolically at the burning of the Reichstag. Following this event, after Hitler used the event to instigate fear of communists, the legislature signed its own death warrant, as it passed the Enabling Act. This act gave Hitler total executive power without formally abrogating the Weimar Constitution. The constitution was simply seen as a “living document.”

This executive power-grab is reminiscent of countless parallels in American 20th century history. Examples range from the abuse of the executive order to legislation such as the Patriot Act II being drafted by the executive branch. Additionally, one glaring example of an executive power-grab in recent history is the power to declare war. While the U.S. Constitution clearly gives Congress that power, they have avoided their duty to declare war for a half-century, giving the President discretion and power.

Step 2: Destroy Federalism

One of the most important and most neglected amendments in our constitution is the 10th Amendment. Unlike our Founding Fathers, Hitler did not want state powers to compete with the central government. In fact, he abolished all state assemblies and implanted a Nazi-friendly governor in each of the states to execute the decrees of the central government. He understood that states exercising their constitutionally granted powers would only inhibit his desired outcome: total centralized control.

Like others, this Nazi development has been paralleled in the U.S. Hardly any Americans even understand that, according to the Constitution, nearly all of our Federal Government actions are unconstitutional. According to the 10th Amendment, the Federal Government only has the power to do what the expressed powers of the Constitution grant it the power to do. All other powers are reserved to the states and the people. This fact is ignored simply because it would discredit all benevolent and tyrannical Federal Government actions. State power, according to the Founding Fathers, was to be much more powerful than Federal power. Our departure from this intention is one of the central reasons we are witnessing the waywardness of our Federal Government.

Step 3: Create an Enemy and Declare “Homeland Security”

For Hitler, the central “boogy-men” were the communists and the Jews. He blamed the burning of the Reichstag (which he most likely carried out himself) on the communists, and used the Jews as a scapegoat for the struggling German economy. He then declared that he, their leader, would protect them. He called his program, “Fatherland Security,” and took away all individual liberties such as freedom of speech and the press in the name of security. All dissent was stigmatized and marginalized as “treason.”

The parallels in the U.S. on this point are endless. Obviously, the Bill of Rights and especially the 1st Amendment are the most important element of our Constitution. But, due to the government fear mongering that has occurred since 9/11, security, rather than liberty has become the priority. Countless examples of intimidation, jailing, and outlawing political speech have arisen in the past 3 years. Those who question or oppose government policy are branded as terrorists. Under “Homeland Security,” we are told that we need to find a “balance” between liberty and security. This balance was completely absent from the philosophy of the Founding Fathers. This is one of the most dangerous developments in America today.

Step 4: Disarm the People

Using common sense, Hitler realized that an armed citizenry would threaten his power. He was fortunate enough to simply use gun control laws that were already on the books, enacted under the Weimar Republic, to disarm the German people. In 1938, five years after his rise to power, he enacted further measures to complete this disarmament.

Our Founding Fathers included a Bill of Rights in the Constitution as a check on government, intended to protect the people from government. While many liberal intellectuals argue that the 2nd Amendment was never intended to apply to individual citizens, this claim is laughable in light of the central purpose of the entire Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, due to the co-action of both the Left and the Right, gun control laws have been passed and upheld in America in a complete dismantling of the 2nd Amendment.

Step 5: Nationalize Police Forces and Establish Secret and Military-Style Police

In order for Hitler to maintain control, he knew that he needed a mad band of storm troopers along with an extensive spy agency. He achieved both of these after incorporating and abolishing state and local police forces. His badgeless S.S. and Gestapo forces terrorized the people forcing them to always be ready to display “travel papers.” In addition to formal police forces, an extensive spy network was formed, even using children to inform on their teachers and parents.

Our Founding Fathers intended that government would be transparent, the people would have rights to privacy, and state and local governments would control law enforcement. All of these important concepts have become casualties of Homeland Security America. Under the Homeland Security Department, all state and local police forces are being incorporated under Federal power. In addition, the courts have ruled that citizens no longer have the right to refuse to show their I.D. (travel papers) to police, while at the same time, military-style law enforcement agents refuse to identify themselves to law-abiding citizens. The Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness Network exemplified this inversion artistically through their logo: the all-seeing eye casting its gaze upon the earth.

Conclusion

In conclusion, our Founding Fathers rightly noted that governments naturally become tyrannical over time (“when in the course of events…”). Is it a radical claim to argue that the U.S. is not immune to such natural developments? When one understands the fallen state of man, observes the repetition of history, and becomes aware of current events, such a claim is undeniable. If the American people don’t stand up and call this movement what it is, we will lose America and descend into despotism.

[democratsteve]

Oh ja, je mag wel kritiek uiten op het beleid van Bush, maar niet waar en wanneer je wil. Tegenwoordig zijn er afgebakende zones waar je met een protestbord mag gaan staan. Kom je daarbuiten, handboeien aan en afvoeren naar de gevangenis.

Magistrate orders anti-war demonstrator released

Montgomery Advertiser | March 15, 2005
By Erica Pippins

An anti-war demonstrator taken into custody for disorderly conduct at Auburn University Montgomery for refusing to protest in a designated area during President Bush's visit last week was ordered released by a city magistrate because she didn't commit a crime.

The university requires protesters to demonstrate in a free speech zone located in the center of campus, but the woman stood outside the gym where the president was speaking last Thursday, according to reports. The policy is a permanent policy, not one established for the president's visit.

The woman, who held up a "Stop the War!" sign, refused to give police her name or move to the designated location and became uncooperative when AUM police officer Chris Silvis tried to handcuff her. Two state troopers came to his aid and she was taken to the Montgomery County Detention Facility, reports show.

But Chief Magistrate Patrick Murphy ordered that she be released from the jail later that evening because the sign was a form of free speech protected by the First Amendment, according to an Associated Press report.

"I ordered her released because nothing in the complaint indicated a criminal offense because there was no probable cause and she didn't commit a crime," Murphy said.

AUM spokesman Lee Bridges also confirmed late Monday that the woman was not arrested, even though an attempt was made.

"They took her in because of her conduct, not because she was protesting," Bridges said. "But she was not arrested, because the magistrate said no crime took place and therefore no charges were ever formally filed."

AUM's free speech and demonstration policy says speakers can demonstrate in a designated area in the library plaza between 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday. All events must be scheduled with campus police.

Bridges didn't know the history behind the policy, but he said the library plaza was chosen because it is in a central location and does not disrupt classroom activity or stall pedestrian and vehicle traffic.

Those who violate the rules are subject to immediate eviction or removal from the campus without warning and could face legal action, the policy states

[Chipie]

Zou het niet aangewezen zijn een speciale rubriek US-bashing of iets dergelijks te laten openen... Men zou die rubriek ook kunnen noemen: "Ongebreidelde haat en nijd"...
Men zou het natuurlijk ook hier kunnen laten staan.... Na een tijdje gaat daar toch niemand (buiten zijn andere nicks) nog op reageren...

[spaz322]

Het is wachten op de cleansing he. FEMA (federal emergency management agency) heeft al enkele "detainment camps" lees concentratiekampen aangelegd in verschillende staten in de US. Perfect voor het opsluiten van dissidenten die niet akkoord gaan.

Als er een nog eens een ramp op massale schaal gebeurd in de US zal FEMA zeker zijn emergency powers uitspelen en de noodtoestand afroepen. Gedaan met het protest.

Dit is geen paranoia maar duidelijk te onderzoeken feiten die aan de gang zijn in de US. Mits het precedent dat geschept is geweest op 9/11 staan de angstige amerikanen met hun rug tegen de muur en moeten ze de patriot acts wel aanvaarden. Doen ze dit niet zijn ze "unpatriotic" of terrorists.

En die zogenaamde "free-speech" zones werden duidelijk getoond in de dagen rond de "Democratic Convention". Hoge hekken aan de andere kant van de stad waar niemand de dissidenten hoort.

Ongelooflijk dat de amerika-lovers, Antoon op kop, dit allemaal graag zien komen, maarja, zolang de winsten nog hoog genoeg zijn en ze hun status kunnen verhogen gaan ze met ALLES akkoord. Dat ze binnen enkele jaren maar niet afkomen met, wir haben es nicht gewust (ofzoiets, mijn duits is slecht)

[spaz322]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door CHIPIE

Zou het niet aangewezen zijn een speciale rubriek US-bashing of iets dergelijks te laten openen... Men zou die rubriek ook kunnen noemen: "Ongebreidelde haat en nijd"...
Men zou het natuurlijk ook hier kunnen laten staan.... Na een tijdje gaat daar toch niemand (buiten zijn andere nicks) nog op reageren...

En ik blijf het zeggen Chipie-F*CK je bent een domme hals, ga nog even oefenen met je rechterarm gestrekt te houden in een hoek van 45 graden voor de volgende keer ome Bush nog eens ons vereerd met een bezoek. Grow up.

[exodus]

Fema staat klaar om alles over te nemen in geval van martial law. Moest men eens de moeite doen om te lezen waar Fema over gaat is er geen twijfel meer mogelijk: het zal gebruikt worden om van Amerika een militaire dictatuur te maken. En die akelige toekomst is niet meer zo ver weg. Een aantaal suitcases nukes die tegelijkertijd ontploffen in grote steden, of een massieve biologische aanval, en Fema zal in gang schieten.

[font=Verdana][size=2]Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

[/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=2]XECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.[/size][/font] [font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.[/size][/font]

[Mitgard]

US. Democratie, Politiestaat of Militaire dictatuur?

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door spaz322

En ik blijf het zeggen Chipie-F*CK je bent een domme hals, ga nog even oefenen met je rechterarm gestrekt te houden in een hoek van 45 graden voor de volgende keer ome Bush nog eens ons vereerd met een bezoek. Grow up.

Dimmen hé, stukje communist

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Ik herinner me niet meer op welk topic het was, maar ik las laatst een reactie van iemand die verbaasd was dat Bush werd vergeleken met Hitler.
Ik ga niet zover de personen an sich te vergelijken, doch de politieke koers die de VS vaart sinds 9/11 toont opvallende gelijkenissen.
Ik heb een tijdje geleden al eens enkele voorbeelden geplaatst van kleuters en kinderen die gehandboeid worden afgevoerd op school.
Op de vraag aan de US lovers hoe ze zouden reageren mocht dit hier in Belgie met hun kind gebeuren, bleef het stil.

Hieronder een korte conclusie van S.Ritsema over de gelijkenissen tussen de de plotiek van Hitler in de jaren 30 en die van de Bush administration vandaag:

Scott Ritsema | March 16, 2005

Many Americans, regardless of political persuasion, understand that America has embarked upon a march toward tyranny throughout the 20th century. Since 9/11, the march has sped to a near sprint. The American founding and Constitution, however, established protections against centralized tyranny. This protection of liberty, in fact, was the central priority of the Founding Fathers. If we want to prevent tyranny from completely enveloping our nation, we would do well not only to renew our commitment to the principles of our founding, but also to learn the lessons of history, particularly embodied in the obvious five-step playbook of tyrants, such as Adolph Hitler. One could write an entire book paralleling Hitler’s dictatorship with the recent American experience in near-tyranny. For now, briefly summarizing this elementary five-step game plan is a simple yet shockingly necessary exercise.

Step 1: Eliminate the Legislative Process

Our Founding Fathers understood that the legislative branch, being closest to the people, would be the most powerful branch of government, most representative of the individual liberties of the people. Likewise, Hitler knew that to wield total power, he needed to do away with the legislature. In Germany, the destruction of the legislative branch began symbolically at the burning of the Reichstag. Following this event, after Hitler used the event to instigate fear of communists, the legislature signed its own death warrant, as it passed the Enabling Act. This act gave Hitler total executive power without formally abrogating the Weimar Constitution. The constitution was simply seen as a “living document.”

This executive power-grab is reminiscent of countless parallels in American 20th century history. Examples range from the abuse of the executive order to legislation such as the Patriot Act II being drafted by the executive branch. Additionally, one glaring example of an executive power-grab in recent history is the power to declare war. While the U.S. Constitution clearly gives Congress that power, they have avoided their duty to declare war for a half-century, giving the President discretion and power.

Step 2: Destroy Federalism

One of the most important and most neglected amendments in our constitution is the 10th Amendment. Unlike our Founding Fathers, Hitler did not want state powers to compete with the central government. In fact, he abolished all state assemblies and implanted a Nazi-friendly governor in each of the states to execute the decrees of the central government. He understood that states exercising their constitutionally granted powers would only inhibit his desired outcome: total centralized control.

Like others, this Nazi development has been paralleled in the U.S. Hardly any Americans even understand that, according to the Constitution, nearly all of our Federal Government actions are unconstitutional. According to the 10th Amendment, the Federal Government only has the power to do what the expressed powers of the Constitution grant it the power to do. All other powers are reserved to the states and the people. This fact is ignored simply because it would discredit all benevolent and tyrannical Federal Government actions. State power, according to the Founding Fathers, was to be much more powerful than Federal power. Our departure from this intention is one of the central reasons we are witnessing the waywardness of our Federal Government.

Step 3: Create an Enemy and Declare “Homeland Security”

For Hitler, the central “boogy-men” were the communists and the Jews. He blamed the burning of the Reichstag (which he most likely carried out himself) on the communists, and used the Jews as a scapegoat for the struggling German economy. He then declared that he, their leader, would protect them. He called his program, “Fatherland Security,” and took away all individual liberties such as freedom of speech and the press in the name of security. All dissent was stigmatized and marginalized as “treason.”

The parallels in the U.S. on this point are endless. Obviously, the Bill of Rights and especially the 1st Amendment are the most important element of our Constitution. But, due to the government fear mongering that has occurred since 9/11, security, rather than liberty has become the priority. Countless examples of intimidation, jailing, and outlawing political speech have arisen in the past 3 years. Those who question or oppose government policy are branded as terrorists. Under “Homeland Security,” we are told that we need to find a “balance” between liberty and security. This balance was completely absent from the philosophy of the Founding Fathers. This is one of the most dangerous developments in America today.

Step 4: Disarm the People

Using common sense, Hitler realized that an armed citizenry would threaten his power. He was fortunate enough to simply use gun control laws that were already on the books, enacted under the Weimar Republic, to disarm the German people. In 1938, five years after his rise to power, he enacted further measures to complete this disarmament.

Our Founding Fathers included a Bill of Rights in the Constitution as a check on government, intended to protect the people from government. While many liberal intellectuals argue that the 2nd Amendment was never intended to apply to individual citizens, this claim is laughable in light of the central purpose of the entire Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, due to the co-action of both the Left and the Right, gun control laws have been passed and upheld in America in a complete dismantling of the 2nd Amendment.

Step 5: Nationalize Police Forces and Establish Secret and Military-Style Police

In order for Hitler to maintain control, he knew that he needed a mad band of storm troopers along with an extensive spy agency. He achieved both of these after incorporating and abolishing state and local police forces. His badgeless S.S. and Gestapo forces terrorized the people forcing them to always be ready to display “travel papers.” In addition to formal police forces, an extensive spy network was formed, even using children to inform on their teachers and parents.

Our Founding Fathers intended that government would be transparent, the people would have rights to privacy, and state and local governments would control law enforcement. All of these important concepts have become casualties of Homeland Security America. Under the Homeland Security Department, all state and local police forces are being incorporated under Federal power. In addition, the courts have ruled that citizens no longer have the right to refuse to show their I.D. (travel papers) to police, while at the same time, military-style law enforcement agents refuse to identify themselves to law-abiding citizens. The Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness Network exemplified this inversion artistically through their logo: the all-seeing eye casting its gaze upon the earth.

Conclusion

In conclusion, our Founding Fathers rightly noted that governments naturally become tyrannical over time (“when in the course of events…”). Is it a radical claim to argue that the U.S. is not immune to such natural developments? When one understands the fallen state of man, observes the repetition of history, and becomes aware of current events, such a claim is undeniable. If the American people don’t stand up and call this movement what it is, we will lose America and descend into despotism.

Reeds aangehaald in Emergency decrees - opmerkelijk? in geuren en kleuren ...

[Chipie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door spaz322

En ik blijf het zeggen Chipie-F*CK je bent een domme hals, ga nog even oefenen met je rechterarm gestrekt te houden in een hoek van 45 graden voor de volgende keer ome Bush nog eens ons vereerd met een bezoek. Grow up.

... Laat U maar eens goed gaan (Ook commies hebben nu en dan eens recht op een plezant noot)...
En als U voor uw gezeik zonder water gaat vallen, laat maar gerust weten...

[1handclapping]

De diskussie over democratie en hoe ze te beveiligen is zeer relevant, we kunnen zelfs gerust teruggaan naar de romeinse republiek en haar instelling van een "dictator"
voor het geval de staat in gevaar is. Tijdens de bloei van de koude oorlog hadden we in de BDR ook al vinnige debatten over de "Notstandsgesetze", & in ons landje was de democratie wel degelijk in gevaar ivm "gladio" en de militaire atoombomhoudende
basissen.

De vraag is hoeveel "militaire nood" kan een democratie baas voordat het definitief een dictatuur wordt ?

[TomB]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door spaz322

Het is wachten op de cleansing he. FEMA (federal emergency management agency) heeft al enkele "detainment camps" lees concentratiekampen aangelegd in verschillende staten in de US. Perfect voor het opsluiten van dissidenten die niet akkoord gaan.

Als er een nog eens een ramp op massale schaal gebeurd in de US zal FEMA zeker zijn emergency powers uitspelen en de noodtoestand afroepen. Gedaan met het protest.

Grappig, ik werk namelijk sinds verleden jaar samen met Fema.

1 van uw zogenaamde "detainment camps" is mijn hangar. Wat houdt dat in? Dat ze in geval van een orkaan hier een bureauke krijgen van waaruit ze een call center met een 10-15 man kunnen opzetten terwijl op de werkvloer na de orkaan mensen die geen dak meer hebben kunnen komen op een matraske liggen.

Waarom ik? Omdat de locatie ideaal is: Betonnen hurricane-proof constructie met enorm veel plaats, maar ook met de nodige IT- en telefoon infrastructuur en een generator voor stroom.

Voor u is dat een concentratiekamp, bij ons noemen ze dat een rampenplan. Maar allez, misschien hebt ge gelijk en kan ik al die mensen wat vliegtuigen laten wassen en zo. Arbeit macht Frei

[TomB]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Fema staat klaar om alles over te nemen in geval van martial law. Moest men eens de moeite doen om te lezen waar Fema over gaat is er geen twijfel meer mogelijk: het zal gebruikt worden om van Amerika een militaire dictatuur te maken. En die akelige toekomst is niet meer zo ver weg. Een aantaal suitcases nukes die tegelijkertijd ontploffen in grote steden, of een massieve biologische aanval, en Fema zal in gang schieten.

[font=Verdana][size=2]Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

[/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=2]XECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.[/size][/font] [font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.[/size][/font]

Guess what: Alle governments over de hele wereld hebben die macht op hun grondgebied.

FEMA werkt rampenplannen uit. Jullie hebben waarschijnlijk nog nooit een grootschalige natuurramp meegemaakt, anders zou je overduidelijk het nut, neen, de noodzaak, inzien van zulke organizatie.

Julllie beginnen helemaal door te trappen.

[Chipie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Guess what: Alle governments over de hele wereld hebben die macht op hun grondgebied.

FEMA werkt rampenplannen uit. Jullie hebben waarschijnlijk nog nooit een grootschalige natuurramp meegemaakt, anders zou je overduidelijk het nut, neen, de noodzaak, inzien van zulke organizatie.

Julllie beginnen helemaal door te trappen.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mitgard

US. Democratie, Politiestaat of Militaire dictatuur?

Dit is in ieder geval een bewijs dat hij aan de goeie kant zit, bij de democratieën dus.

[garfield]

Bestaat er nog grotere onzin dat bovengeschrevene ??
Indien de US volgens de topicstarter een soort van 4de rijk is wat is dan dit kikkerlandje ??
In dit kikkerlandje is de "freedom of Speech" al langer onbestaand. In de VS kan je nog steeds publiceren en zeggen wat je denkt en wilt. Of zou een dictator betogingen toestaan in NY, LA of DC ??
De VS kiest nog steeds zijn staatshoofd en het congress heeft nog steeds het recht om dit staatshoofd opzij te zetten. De VS is door en door democratisch ( 2 termijnen voor de president is max.) in belgië is het staatshoofd nog steeds bepaalt door erfopvolging.
In plaats van onzin te verkopen vanop Hoax sites zou je dat beter beseffen . Of denk je echt dat een dictator zulke sites zou laten bestaan.

[Gun]

Het feit dat je het staatshoofd van de VS vergelijkt met deze van dit 'kikkerlandje' bewijst dat totaal geen kaas hebt gegeten van de materie. Grow up my friend, you ain't see nothing yet!

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Guess what: Alle governments over de hele wereld hebben die macht op hun grondgebied.

FEMA werkt rampenplannen uit. Jullie hebben waarschijnlijk nog nooit een grootschalige natuurramp meegemaakt, anders zou je overduidelijk het nut, neen, de noodzaak, inzien van zulke organizatie.

Julllie beginnen helemaal door te trappen.

Ja zeker.
According to you trapte ik ook door toen ik enkele jaren geleden de invloed van de PNAC op de Amerikaanse besluitvorming aanhaalde.
Volgens jou hadden deze "ouwe gekken" net zoveel invloed als de communistische PVDA in Belgie.
Volgens jou ging ook van de Patriot Act geen "misbruik" gemaakt worden.
Misschien is gaan vertellen tegen de familieleden van de verdwenen moslims in de VS.
In één ding heb je wel gelijk: FEMA werkt "rampenplannen" uit.

PS. FEMA is ook de verantwoordelijke voor dat stuk leugenachtig vod papier, het 9/11 Commission Report genaamd.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Ja zeker.
According to you trapte ik ook door toen ik enkele jaren geleden de invloed van de PNAC op de Amerikaanse besluitvorming aanhaalde.
Volgens jou hadden deze "ouwe gekken" net zoveel invloed als de communistische PVDA in Belgie.
Volgens jou ging ook van de Patriot Act geen "misbruik" gemaakt worden.
Misschien is gaan vertellen tegen de familieleden van de verdwenen moslims in de VS.
In één ding heb je wel gelijk: FEMA werkt "rampenplannen" uit.

PS. FEMA is ook de verantwoordelijke voor dat stuk leugenachtig vod papier, het 9/11 Commission Report genaamd.

NORAD al vergeten?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Guess what: Alle governments over de hele wereld hebben die macht op hun grondgebied.

FEMA werkt rampenplannen uit. Jullie hebben waarschijnlijk nog nooit een grootschalige natuurramp meegemaakt, anders zou je overduidelijk het nut, neen, de noodzaak, inzien van zulke organizatie.

Julllie beginnen helemaal door te trappen.

Dit is helemaal niet correct wat je zegt, en onvolledig. Fema werkt inderdaad rampenplannen uit, maar Fema was voornamelijk en in de eerste plaats opgericht om om te gaan met een nucleaire aanval. En trouwens elk land heeft wel rampenplannen, maar heb je het lijste al eens bekeken wat ze kunnen doen? De blauwdruk van een militaire dictatuur. Moest je een beetje meer op de hoogte zijn van de zaken die echt gebeuren en inzien wat voor een machtswellusten en corrupte boel washington is dan zou je minder hoog van de toren blazen.