Leven na de dood?

[doornroosje]

Wie denkt dat het larie is,wie is een gelover?

Heeft ons leven een hoger doel?

Hoe denken jullie erover?

[Andro]

Kort en bondig: Je wordt geboren, je leeft, je sterft. Einde.

[Musketo]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Andromeda1968

Kort en bondig: Je wordt geboren, je leeft, je sterft. Einde.

Zo is dat.

[Dark Soho]

Hopelijk

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Meer dan de helft van de wereldbevolking gelooft in reïncarnatie.

De verhalen van kinderen die hun vorig leven herinneren ( met alle details die dan later ter inspectie op de betreffende geografische locatie ook waar blijken te zijn ) zijn heel talrijk.

Volwassen zijn ze al lang vergeten.

[doornroosje]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door /\|cazar

Meer dan de helft van de wereldbevolking gelooft in reïncarnatie.

De verhalen van kinderen die hun vorig leven herinneren ( met alle details die dan later ter inspectie op de betreffende geografische locatie ook waar blijken te zijn ) zijn heel talrijk.

Volwassen zijn ze al lang vergeten.

Wat is eigenlijk het doel van alles wat we hier doen als het eindig is?

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Het is niet eindig, zelfs ons concept tijd is volledig verkeerd. Niets is eindig, alles wordt herhaald, alles is cyclisch.

In het oosten noemt men het doel van de mensen op deze aardkloot via zijn verhogingen in karma te komen tot god, verlichting bereiken, ontstijgen aan de materie waarin de mens gevangen zit.

Beetje zoals matrix filosofie, mens weet niet dat hij gevangen zit in een cocon waar 'ze' levensenergie uit halen ...

Enz ..;

[doornroosje]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door /\|cazar

Het is niet eindig, zelfs ons concept tijd is volledig verkeerd. Niets is eindig, alles wordt herhaald, alles is cyclisch.

In het oosten noemt men het doel van de mensen op deze aardkloot via zijn verhogingen in karma te komen tot god, verlichting bereiken, ontstijgen aan de materie waarin de mens gevangen zit.

Beetje zoals matrix filosofie, mens weet niet dat hij gevangen zit in een cocon waar 'ze' levensenergie uit halen ...

Enz ..;

Dus volgens u levenswijsheid verzamelen tot het punt van volmaaktheid bereikt is,en dat in meerdere levens,is dat niet de Boeddistische visie?

[/\|cazar]

het concept vind je terug in talloze oosterse religies.


wijsheid verzamelen .. wijsheid doe je op door dingen te doen .. niet door erover te lezen, laat staan kennis op te doen.

[Zeno!]

Dood = gedaan

[stephen-]

Wij weten nog maar erg weinig over het leven, wie weet zitten we wel allemaal in een soort droomwereld of wordt ieder individu een persoonlijke realiteit gegeven.
Wie weet ben ik de enige die leeft en zit ik in een matrix ofzo.
Wie weet zijn we al duizend maal herboren geweest in een andere ruimte/dimensie.
Wie weet is de volledige ruimte maar een miljardste deeltje van alles.
Maar het gedacht hebben dat er geen leven meer zou zijn na de dood geeft mij een benauwend gevoel. Want je zal je dan zelfs niet realiseren dat er niets meer zal zijn, als er niets meer komt. En dat het ooit wel zal gebeuren, misschien als je oud bent, maar toch...
En hoe is die 'ziel' die we momenteel hebben in ons gekomen? Worden we herboren? Wat dan als de aarde tot haar einde komt...
Ik hoop in ieder geval dat er nog iets zal komen...

[Vlaanderen Boven]

Het is inderdaad vreemd om te bedenken dat er na je dood gewoon niks is...elk moment dat je nu verprutst is er een dat je nooit meer terugkrijgt...ik word er gek van om aan zo'n dingen te denken.

[stephen-]

Soms zou een iq onder 90 toch wel handig zijn. Dan denk je niet na over zulke dingen of toch niet op die manier dat je er van zou flippen.

[/\|cazar]

Cypher in 'the matrix' : ignorance is bliss

[Vlaanderen Boven]

Inderdaad, zo'n simpel leven hier en nu (hoe je als kind was) zou zalig zijn...niet over alles nadenken, relativeren, vergelijken...

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Phenomenon of reincarnation still mystifies modern scientists

03/22/2005 13:55[font=Verdana]Clinical death is one of the biggest mysteries that modern science still cannot solve[/font]

[font=Verdana]Some people say they remember their previous lives and can describe what they saw and did when they were having other bodies hundreds or thousands of years ago.[/font]

[font=Verdana]Vladimir Zatovka, head of the reanimation department in the Kaliningrad regional hospital revealed many astonishing facts about life and death when journalists interviewed him several years ago. The experienced doctor believes that clinical death is one of the biggest mysteries that modern science still cannot solve. Indeed, patients who revive after clinical death say they get some mysterious information and learn new things. Journalists were slightly shocked to hear the doctor saying the soul actually exists and lives its individual life. [/font]

[font=Verdana]One of the doctor's patients, Irina Lakoba was in coma for about a month after she seriously suffered in a traffic accident. She recovered from coma and turned out to be quite a different person. Before the accident, the woman worked as an engineer at a large fish company for twenty years. But when she regained consciousness after the coma, the woman said she saw herself being a little girl standing on the bank of some south river and even began speaking some strange language. Experts from the philology department of the Kaliningrad University stated that was one of Swahili dialects. Later, the woman began composing verses in this dialect and even translated them into Russian, English and French, the languages that she had never learnt before the accident. [/font]

[font=Verdana]Shortly before Irina recovered from coma, the doctor talked to her husband. They met in a room two floors above the ward where the patient stayed. But when the woman recovered, she told precisely what both men were talking about during that meeting. What is more, she described things which she could not see and hear when she was in coma. She said she had seen and heard everything because she could walk about the hospital. At that, she said she was watching her body staying in bed and was shocked to see it was old and ugly. She said she was a little healthy girl while walking about the hospital.[/font]

[font=Verdana]This is real reincarnation, the doctor says. Followers of esoteric doctrines, Hinduists and Buddhists never hesitate that there is no death at all; they believe the soul reincarnates endlessly. But people brought up according to the Orthodox traditions and scientific atheism can hardly believe it is so. It was a couple of decades ago that reincarnation was considered a myth, but now it is forming a scientific conception that is winning an increasing number of supporters.[/font]

[font=Verdana]It took American reanimatologist Raymond Moody thirty years within which he wrote several books about the after-life phenomenon before he managed to convince majority of his readers that cardiac arrest and cessation of brain activity do not mean the end. Those patients who revived from the dead told the doctor similar stories about the light they saw at the end of a long tunnel, about dead relatives who came to tell about new life coming and about a better world. Moody and his followers collected thousands of evidence of this sort; all stories told by patients coincide in every particular detail, which means these stories cannot be a forgery. [/font]

[font=Verdana]The conclusions made by Moody give people some hope for immortality; but at the same time they have already won lots of opponents. Famous psychiatrist Stanislav Grof is the most competent critic of Moody's conclusions. He conducted experiments with those patients who revived after clinical death. During the experiment, Stanislav Grof arrived at a conclusion that the tunnel many people see during their clinical death is in fact an impression of a baby going through the long and narrow birth canal. Thus, the bright light they see at the end of the tunnel is in fact an obstetrics ward where babies are delivered. As it turned out, even people who never went through clinical death see the same tunnel when put under hypnosis. [/font]

[font=Verdana]Other opponents to Moody, physician Paul Kurtz, physiologist Jack Kowan and neurobiologist Elizabeth Clark state that the vision of a tunnel is produced with those parts of the dying cerebral cortex that controls vision. This happens because of oxygen deficit in dying cells; as a result, stimulation waves form concentric circles. We can see such circles after we dive and stay under water too long or hang with the head down. The dying consciousness sees the circles as forming a tunnel. Materialist researchers are sure that all the rest are fancies and dreams that people have in an unconscious state. [/font]

[font=Verdana]However, even these experts cannot explain why even patients whose brain no longer functions still see the tunnel, the bright light and dead relatives. Russian neurophysiologist Natalya Bekhtereva wrote about the thought and its origin in her works. She said that human brain is the greatest mystery, and it will take incredibly much time before scientists study it. [/font]

[font=Verdana]The lack of oxygen in tissues and organs is not the reason why people experiencing clinical death see their bodies lifeless on an operating table or in a reanimation ward and hear what doctors or other patients say.

Researcher from Holland Van Lommel studied the phenomenon while working with patients and arrived at a conclusion that dying people see visions at the moment when their central nervous system cuts off. This in its turn proves that consciousness is not a brain function. Doctors verified clinical death of one of Lommel's patients. A tube for mechanical ventilation of lungs was inserted into the patient's larynx. For that, the patient's denture was taken out. In an hour and a half, the man's heart started beating; in a week the patient came to his senses and asked to give him his denture. But doctors could not remember where they put the denture. Then, the patient said he saw where doctors had put the denture, as he was soaring above the body when the doctors were saving his life. [/font]

[font=Verdana]French woman Annel Besier living in Moscow says she can recollect her previous lives. She wrote a book about her previous reincarnations. Annel is sure that it is not necessary to die to experience reincarnation. The author does not remember the exact number of her reincarnations. According to the karma doctrine, each of us has had thousands of reincarnations, and our soul does not always reincarnate into the human body, it may also belong to an animal. [/font]

[font=Verdana]There are many people who remember their previous lives. Muscovite Olga Kuleshova, 37, knows perfectly well that before her birth 37 years ago she was a violinist living in England (she has partially retained the skills although she never learnt to play the violin). Before that, she served in the house of a rich magnate in India. Olga says that 200 years ago she was a concubine of a Turkish sultan and also that in Medieval Italy Michelangelo was her tutor in painting. Indeed, Olga can draw resembling the Michelangelo style and speaks the old Italian language (she says she never learnt the language). May this be true? There is no opportunity to verify this. [/font]

[font=Verdana]Academician with the Russian Academy of Sciences Vlail Kaznacheyev says the reincarnation phenomenon is undoubted, as it has been given much confirmation. However, none of the hypotheses currently existing as concerning the issue can actually explain the phenomenon. Unfortunately, there is no scientific theory of reincarnation. [/font]

[font=Verdana]But is not it better to be unaware of what is going to happen after we die? Nothing, immortality or endless reincarnation? Each of us hopes there is no end to life, but we never think that this eternity may be even worse than death. Academician Kaznacheyev is sure that life we are having now and here is the only undoubted wonder. [/font]

[font=Verdana]Natalia Leskova[/font]

[stephen-]

Dus stelde ik daarstraks al aan menne vent voor om tijdens de zomer alst goei weer is om et internet af te sluiten, de tv en de xbox uit te laten en buiten gaan genieten van al die mooie dingen, maar dat zou hij niet overleven...

[Zeno!]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Vlaanderen Boven

Het is inderdaad vreemd om te bedenken dat er na je dood gewoon niks is...elk moment dat je nu verprutst is er een dat je nooit meer terugkrijgt...ik word er gek van om aan zo'n dingen te denken.

Dan moet je eens even stilstaan bij het begip 'oneindigheid' in het heelal. Onbegrijpelijk eigenlijk. Uùùùùrenlang heb ik daar al over zitten filosoferen Om zot van te worden inderdaad.

Persoonlijk denk ik dat er gewoon niks is na de dood. (voor dit leven was er toch ook gewoon niks?)

[stephen-]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zeno!

Dan moet je eens even stilstaan bij het begip 'oneindigheid' in het heelal. Onbegrijpelijk eigenlijk. Uùùùùrenlang heb ik daar al over zitten filosoferen Om zot van te worden inderdaad.

Persoonlijk denk ik dat er gewoon niks is na de dood. (voor dit leven was er toch ook gewoon niks?)

Je kan er toch niet zeker van zijn dat er voor dit leven niets was?
Misschien is dat allemaal wel gewist ofzo...

[Vlaanderen Boven]

Waar ik gek van word bij het nadenken over het heelal, is waarom het er is. Waarom is er 'iets'?? Dat concept is zo buitenaards en onmogelijk om over na te denken dat ik er kippenvel van krijg.