Bloeddorstige Palestijnse terroristen slaan weer toe: 1 dode - 1 gewonde

[Pascal L.]

Jihad gunmen kill Israeli in West Bank ambush
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz ServicePalestinian

Palestinian gunmen near the northern West Bank city of Tul Karm opened fire on a car carrying two Israeli civilians in an ambush early Monday, killing the driver identified as Yevgeny Rider, 28, from Hermesh, and lightly wounding his 15-year-old passenger.

Later on Monday, Israel Defense Forces soldiers arrested a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez crossing on the border with the northern Gaza Strip.

The incidents came a day before Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas were to hold a summit viewed as key to coordinating the planned disengagement.



In the morning ambush, the militants fired from the sides of a road near homes in the village of Baka al-Sharkiyeh, a few hundred meters from the Green Line border of the West Bank. The victims' car was driving from the nearby settlement of Hermesh.

Islamic Jihad said the ambush avenged what it called "the desecration of the Koran by occupation soldiers in Megiddo prison" in Israel. Israeli authorities have denied Palestinian allegations that prison guards ripped pages of the Koran, saying Palestinian inmates had done it themselves.

But Khadr Adnan, an Islamic Jihad spokesman in the West Bank, said the attack didn't signal the end of the group's cease-fire with Israel. "We are still committed to calm," he said.

The West Bank ambush was the first shooting incident in the area in some time, but the area has long been a hotbed of militant activity, especially of the Islamic Jihad, which has carried out the lion's share of terror attacks in recent months.

The army imposed a closure on the village.

IDF troops arrest would-be female suicide bomber
Several hours after the deadly West Bank shooting attack, IDF soldiers caught a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez border crossing on the edge of the Gaza Strip.

The woman, who was carrying 10 kilograms of explosives in her pants, had a permit to enter Israel to receive medical treatment. Following the incident, the IDF closed the crossing for traffic, reopening it a few hours later.

The would-be bomber, 21-year-old Wafa Samir Ibrahim, resident of the Jabalya refugee camp was dispatched by the Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a military offshoot of the Fatah movement, to carry out a suicide attack.

Ibrahim had been in the past to the Soroka Medical Center in Be'er Sheva to receive medical treatment for severe burns she sustained from a gas balloon that exploded next to her six months ago. She needed to reach the hospital for medical tests.

The woman said she did not plan on carrying out the attack at the Soroka hospital but in another hospital, not specifying its name.

Security personnel became suspicious of her at the entrance to the border crossing, and found the explosives in her pants during a body search. When Ibrahim realized she had been caught, she tried to detonate the explosives she was carrying, but was unsuccessful.

Brigadier General Avi Levy, commander of the Gaza northern brigade told Israel Radio "terror organizations took advantage of her bad health and manipulated the woman into carrying out the attack."

Lecy said that she carried the explosives on her person believing that the respectful manner in which soldiers treat women during security checks would enable her to smuggle the belt successfully.

"Palestinians are trying to slip through every possible crack in the security belt, including humanitarian ... in order to smuggle explosives into Israel," Levy said.

"There has been a very serious escalation in the number of incidents in the zone secured by the brigade, including mortar shelling, Qassam rockets and light arms fire. The [PA}, we can say, is not doing its part in preventing such incidents," Levy concluded.

In Gaza, IDF troops shot dead an unarmed 17-year-old Palestinian and wounded another youth near a road between the border and the settlement of Netzarim, Palestinian medics said.

The IDF said the two Palestinians had entered a restricted military zone and ignored an order given through loudspeakers to leave. Soldiers fired warning shots and then towards the legs of one of the Palestinians before the two ran off, it said.

Also on Monday afternoon, Border Police troops arrested a Palestinian youth who tried to stab yeshiva student in Jerusalem near their base in the city's Ma'alot Dafna neighborhood. The assailant's friend fled the scene with the knife and police were searching for him, Israel Radio reported.

PMO: PA not doing enough
A spokesman in Sharon's office said the flareup of militant attacks showed that the Palestinian Authority needed to make a greater effort to halt violence against Israelis.

"This is proof that the Palestinian Authority must take all necessary steps to prevent such terror and uproot terror from within its ranks," David Baker, a senior official in the Prime Minister's Office, said.


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Jihad gunmen kill Israeli in West Bank ambush
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz ServicePalestinian

Palestinian gunmen near the northern West Bank city of Tul Karm opened fire on a car carrying two Israeli civilians in an ambush early Monday, killing the driver identified as Yevgeny Rider, 28, from Hermesh, and lightly wounding his 15-year-old passenger.

Later on Monday, Israel Defense Forces soldiers arrested a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez crossing on the border with the northern Gaza Strip.

The incidents came a day before Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas were to hold a summit viewed as key to coordinating the planned disengagement.



In the morning ambush, the militants fired from the sides of a road near homes in the village of Baka al-Sharkiyeh, a few hundred meters from the Green Line border of the West Bank. The victims' car was driving from the nearby settlement of Hermesh.

Islamic Jihad said the ambush avenged what it called "the desecration of the Koran by occupation soldiers in Megiddo prison" in Israel. Israeli authorities have denied Palestinian allegations that prison guards ripped pages of the Koran, saying Palestinian inmates had done it themselves.

But Khadr Adnan, an Islamic Jihad spokesman in the West Bank, said the attack didn't signal the end of the group's cease-fire with Israel. "We are still committed to calm," he said.

The West Bank ambush was the first shooting incident in the area in some time, but the area has long been a hotbed of militant activity, especially of the Islamic Jihad, which has carried out the lion's share of terror attacks in recent months.

The army imposed a closure on the village.

IDF troops arrest would-be female suicide bomber
Several hours after the deadly West Bank shooting attack, IDF soldiers caught a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez border crossing on the edge of the Gaza Strip.

The woman, who was carrying 10 kilograms of explosives in her pants, had a permit to enter Israel to receive medical treatment. Following the incident, the IDF closed the crossing for traffic, reopening it a few hours later.

The would-be bomber, 21-year-old Wafa Samir Ibrahim, resident of the Jabalya refugee camp was dispatched by the Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a military offshoot of the Fatah movement, to carry out a suicide attack.

Ibrahim had been in the past to the Soroka Medical Center in Be'er Sheva to receive medical treatment for severe burns she sustained from a gas balloon that exploded next to her six months ago. She needed to reach the hospital for medical tests.

The woman said she did not plan on carrying out the attack at the Soroka hospital but in another hospital, not specifying its name.

Security personnel became suspicious of her at the entrance to the border crossing, and found the explosives in her pants during a body search. When Ibrahim realized she had been caught, she tried to detonate the explosives she was carrying, but was unsuccessful.

Brigadier General Avi Levy, commander of the Gaza northern brigade told Israel Radio "terror organizations took advantage of her bad health and manipulated the woman into carrying out the attack."

Lecy said that she carried the explosives on her person believing that the respectful manner in which soldiers treat women during security checks would enable her to smuggle the belt successfully.

"Palestinians are trying to slip through every possible crack in the security belt, including humanitarian ... in order to smuggle explosives into Israel," Levy said.

"There has been a very serious escalation in the number of incidents in the zone secured by the brigade, including mortar shelling, Qassam rockets and light arms fire. The [PA}, we can say, is not doing its part in preventing such incidents," Levy concluded.

In Gaza, IDF troops shot dead an unarmed 17-year-old Palestinian and wounded another youth near a road between the border and the settlement of Netzarim, Palestinian medics said.

The IDF said the two Palestinians had entered a restricted military zone and ignored an order given through loudspeakers to leave. Soldiers fired warning shots and then towards the legs of one of the Palestinians before the two ran off, it said.

Also on Monday afternoon, Border Police troops arrested a Palestinian youth who tried to stab yeshiva student in Jerusalem near their base in the city's Ma'alot Dafna neighborhood. The assailant's friend fled the scene with the knife and police were searching for him, Israel Radio reported.

PMO: PA not doing enough
A spokesman in Sharon's office said the flareup of militant attacks showed that the Palestinian Authority needed to make a greater effort to halt violence against Israelis.

"This is proof that the Palestinian Authority must take all necessary steps to prevent such terror and uproot terror from within its ranks," David Baker, a senior official in the Prime Minister's Office, said.


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Jihad gunmen kill Israeli in West Bank ambushBy Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz ServicePalestinian gunmen near the northern West Bank city of Tul Karm opened fire on a car carrying two Israeli civilians in an ambush early Monday, killing the driver identified as Yevgeny Rider, 28, from Hermesh, and lightly wounding his 15-year-old passenger.

Later on Monday, Israel Defense Forces soldiers arrested a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez crossing on the border with the northern Gaza Strip.

The incidents came a day before Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas were to hold a summit viewed as key to coordinating the planned disengagement.



In the morning ambush, the militants fired from the sides of a road near homes in the village of Baka al-Sharkiyeh, a few hundred meters from the Green Line border of the West Bank. The victims' car was driving from the nearby settlement of Hermesh.

Islamic Jihad said the ambush avenged what it called "the desecration of the Koran by occupation soldiers in Megiddo prison" in Israel. Israeli authorities have denied Palestinian allegations that prison guards ripped pages of the Koran, saying Palestinian inmates had done it themselves.

But Khadr Adnan, an Islamic Jihad spokesman in the West Bank, said the attack didn't signal the end of the group's cease-fire with Israel. "We are still committed to calm," he said.

The West Bank ambush was the first shooting incident in the area in some time, but the area has long been a hotbed of militant activity, especially of the Islamic Jihad, which has carried out the lion's share of terror attacks in recent months.

The army imposed a closure on the village.

IDF troops arrest would-be female suicide bomber
Several hours after the deadly West Bank shooting attack, IDF soldiers caught a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez border crossing on the edge of the Gaza Strip.

The woman, who was carrying 10 kilograms of explosives in her pants, had a permit to enter Israel to receive medical treatment. Following the incident, the IDF closed the crossing for traffic, reopening it a few hours later.

The would-be bomber, 21-year-old Wafa Samir Ibrahim, resident of the Jabalya refugee camp was dispatched by the Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a military offshoot of the Fatah movement, to carry out a suicide attack.

Ibrahim had been in the past to the Soroka Medical Center in Be'er Sheva to receive medical treatment for severe burns she sustained from a gas balloon that exploded next to her six months ago. She needed to reach the hospital for medical tests.

The woman said she did not plan on carrying out the attack at the Soroka hospital but in another hospital, not specifying its name.

Security personnel became suspicious of her at the entrance to the border crossing, and found the explosives in her pants during a body search. When Ibrahim realized she had been caught, she tried to detonate the explosives she was carrying, but was unsuccessful.

Brigadier General Avi Levy, commander of the Gaza northern brigade told Israel Radio "terror organizations took advantage of her bad health and manipulated the woman into carrying out the attack."

Lecy said that she carried the explosives on her person believing that the respectful manner in which soldiers treat women during security checks would enable her to smuggle the belt successfully.

"Palestinians are trying to slip through every possible crack in the security belt, including humanitarian ... in order to smuggle explosives into Israel," Levy said.

"There has been a very serious escalation in the number of incidents in the zone secured by the brigade, including mortar shelling, Qassam rockets and light arms fire. The [PA}, we can say, is not doing its part in preventing such incidents," Levy concluded.

In Gaza, IDF troops shot dead an unarmed 17-year-old Palestinian and wounded another youth near a road between the border and the settlement of Netzarim, Palestinian medics said.

The IDF said the two Palestinians had entered a restricted military zone and ignored an order given through loudspeakers to leave. Soldiers fired warning shots and then towards the legs of one of the Palestinians before the two ran off, it said.

Also on Monday afternoon, Border Police troops arrested a Palestinian youth who tried to stab yeshiva student in Jerusalem near their base in the city's Ma'alot Dafna neighborhood. The assailant's friend fled the scene with the knife and police were searching for him, Israel Radio reported.

PMO: PA not doing enough
A spokesman in Sharon's office said the flareup of militant attacks showed that the Palestinian Authority needed to make a greater effort to halt violence against Israelis.

"This is proof that the Palestinian Authority must take all necessary steps to prevent such terror and uproot terror from within its ranks," David Baker, a senior official in the Prime Minister's Office, said.


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Jihad gunmen kill Israeli in West Bank ambush
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz ServicePalestinian

Palestinian gunmen near the northern West Bank city of Tul Karm opened fire on a car carrying two Israeli civilians in an ambush early Monday, killing the driver identified as Yevgeny Rider, 28, from Hermesh, and lightly wounding his 15-year-old passenger.

Later on Monday, Israel Defense Forces soldiers arrested a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez crossing on the border with the northern Gaza Strip.

The incidents came a day before Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas were to hold a summit viewed as key to coordinating the planned disengagement.



In the morning ambush, the militants fired from the sides of a road near homes in the village of Baka al-Sharkiyeh, a few hundred meters from the Green Line border of the West Bank. The victims' car was driving from the nearby settlement of Hermesh.

Islamic Jihad said the ambush avenged what it called "the desecration of the Koran by occupation soldiers in Megiddo prison" in Israel. Israeli authorities have denied Palestinian allegations that prison guards ripped pages of the Koran, saying Palestinian inmates had done it themselves.

But Khadr Adnan, an Islamic Jihad spokesman in the West Bank, said the attack didn't signal the end of the group's cease-fire with Israel. "We are still committed to calm," he said.

The West Bank ambush was the first shooting incident in the area in some time, but the area has long been a hotbed of militant activity, especially of the Islamic Jihad, which has carried out the lion's share of terror attacks in recent months.

The army imposed a closure on the village.

IDF troops arrest would-be female suicide bomber
Several hours after the deadly West Bank shooting attack, IDF soldiers caught a female would-be suicide bomber at the entrance to the Erez border crossing on the edge of the Gaza Strip.

The woman, who was carrying 10 kilograms of explosives in her pants, had a permit to enter Israel to receive medical treatment. Following the incident, the IDF closed the crossing for traffic, reopening it a few hours later.

The would-be bomber, 21-year-old Wafa Samir Ibrahim, resident of the Jabalya refugee camp was dispatched by the Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, a military offshoot of the Fatah movement, to carry out a suicide attack.

Ibrahim had been in the past to the Soroka Medical Center in Be'er Sheva to receive medical treatment for severe burns she sustained from a gas balloon that exploded next to her six months ago. She needed to reach the hospital for medical tests.

The woman said she did not plan on carrying out the attack at the Soroka hospital but in another hospital, not specifying its name.

Security personnel became suspicious of her at the entrance to the border crossing, and found the explosives in her pants during a body search. When Ibrahim realized she had been caught, she tried to detonate the explosives she was carrying, but was unsuccessful.

Brigadier General Avi Levy, commander of the Gaza northern brigade told Israel Radio "terror organizations took advantage of her bad health and manipulated the woman into carrying out the attack."

Lecy said that she carried the explosives on her person believing that the respectful manner in which soldiers treat women during security checks would enable her to smuggle the belt successfully.

"Palestinians are trying to slip through every possible crack in the security belt, including humanitarian ... in order to smuggle explosives into Israel," Levy said.

"There has been a very serious escalation in the number of incidents in the zone secured by the brigade, including mortar shelling, Qassam rockets and light arms fire. The [PA}, we can say, is not doing its part in preventing such incidents," Levy concluded.

In Gaza, IDF troops shot dead an unarmed 17-year-old Palestinian and wounded another youth near a road between the border and the settlement of Netzarim, Palestinian medics said.

The IDF said the two Palestinians had entered a restricted military zone and ignored an order given through loudspeakers to leave. Soldiers fired warning shots and then towards the legs of one of the Palestinians before the two ran off, it said.

Also on Monday afternoon, Border Police troops arrested a Palestinian youth who tried to stab yeshiva student in Jerusalem near their base in the city's Ma'alot Dafna neighborhood. The assailant's friend fled the scene with the knife and police were searching for him, Israel Radio reported.

PMO: PA not doing enough
A spokesman in Sharon's office said the flareup of militant attacks showed that the Palestinian Authority needed to make a greater effort to halt violence against Israelis.

"This is proof that the Palestinian Authority must take all necessary steps to prevent such terror and uproot terror from within its ranks," David Baker, a senior official in the Prime Minister's Office, said.

Zolang de oorlogsmisdadiger Sharon ze'n agressieve annexatiepolitiek niet wil veranderen zullen er altijd van dit soort aanslagen blijven gebeuren. Zo simpel is dat gewoon.

[Ambiorix]

een "gunman" is een terrorist hé. Je moet een tank hebben om daarmee huizen plat te rijden. Dan ben je een rechtvaardig.

[Pascal L.]

Palestinian woman, 21, caught with large bomb belt at Gaza’s Erez crossing on her way to suicide bombing of Israeli Soroka hospital in Beersheba. The hospital called her for tests after she was treated there.


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Zolang de oorlogsmisdadiger Sharon ze'n agressieve annexatiepolitiek niet wil veranderen zullen er altijd van dit soort aanslagen blijven gebeuren. Zo simpel is dat gewoon.

Ik ben benieuwd of je ook deze woorden zal gebruiken als er aanslagen komen in België, omdat mohammedanen onderdrukt zouden worden door de Belgen. Zou je de aanslagen dan ook goedpraten? Denk je echt dat de jihad stopt wanneer je je als Westers land overgeeft? Overigens heeft Sharon helemaal geen veroveringspolitiek. Als je wat meer op het nieuws zou letten, had je kunnen weten dat hij juist allerlei nederzettingen laat afbreken, met veel protest van de orthodoxe Joden als gevolg. Het zijn juist de mohammedanen dan wel Arabieren die een veroveringspolitiek nastreven; zo kent het voorheen christelijke en joodse Bethlehem nu een mohammedaanse meerderheid. Hetzelfde is plaats aan het vinden in Jerusalem. Ik denk niet dat jij het leuk zou vinden als hetzelfde plaats zou vinden in Antwerpen; wat meer inlevingsvermogen in de omstandigheid waarin het Joodse volk zit kan dus geen kwaad.

[Mitgard]

het moedige verzet van de palestijnen is bewonderenswaardig.

[Pascal L.]

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het moedige verzet van de palestijnen is bewonderenswaardig.

Ik hoop dat de "moed" van die terroristen u en uw familie op dezelfde manier zal raken als die 28-jarige net getrouwde jonge vader die vandaag vermoord werd, want met zulke uitspraken toont u echt wel dat u dat verdient.[edit]
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Ik hoop dat de "moed" van die terroristen u en uw familie op dezelfde manier zal raken als die 28-jarige net getrouwde jonge vader die vandaag vermoord werd, want met zulke uitspraken toont u echt wel dat u dat verdient.[/size]

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Ik hoop dat de "moed" van die terroristen u en uw familie op dezelfde manier zal raken als die 28-jarige net getrouwde jonge vader die vandaag vermoord werd, want met zulke uitspraken toont u echt wel dat u dat verdient. Amen.[/size]

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het moedige verzet van de palestijnen is bewonderenswaardig.

moedig verzet. lafaards ja

[Franz Ritter Von Epp]

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Ik ben benieuwd of je ook deze woorden zal gebruiken als er aanslagen komen in België, omdat mohammedanen onderdrukt zouden worden door de Belgen. Zou je de aanslagen dan ook goedpraten? Denk je echt dat de jihad stopt wanneer je je als Westers land overgeeft? Overigens heeft Sharon helemaal geen veroveringspolitiek. Als je wat meer op het nieuws zou letten, had je kunnen weten dat hij juist allerlei nederzettingen laat afbreken, met veel protest van de orthodoxe Joden als gevolg. Het zijn juist de mohammedanen dan wel Arabieren die een veroveringspolitiek nastreven; zo kent het voorheen christelijke en joodse Bethlehem nu een mohammedaanse meerderheid. Hetzelfde is plaats aan het vinden in Jerusalem. Ik denk niet dat jij het leuk zou vinden als hetzelfde plaats zou vinden in Antwerpen; wat meer inlevingsvermogen in de omstandigheid waarin het Joodse volk zit kan dus geen kwaad.

Punt 1: De mohammedanen hebben in Vlaanderen géén eisen te stellen want zij zijn in dit geval de "bezetters". De strijd van de autochtone Vlamingen voor zelfbestuur is voor mij identiek aan de strijd die het Palestijnse volk voert voor haar zelfbeschikkingsrecht.

Punt 2: (P)israël is geen westers land maar een vermomde fundamentalistische staat. In (P)israël is de scheiding tussen kerk en staat flinterdun.

Punt 3: Hou op met dat gezever over de islam. Een groot gedeelte van de Palestijnse bevolking zijn Christelijke droezen.

Punt 4: Oorlogsmisdadiger Sharon heeft de extreem-conservatieve kolonisten niet méér nodig. Ze spreken alléén hetgéén Sharon verzwijgt en zijn dus niét meer nuttig voor het zionistische regime vandaar die ontruiming.

Punt 5 : Ik toon idd géén greintje sympathie voor deze illegale piratenstaat wat nog niet wil zeggen dat ik antisemiet ben.

[Pascal L.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

Punt 1:

Het artikel lijkt wel voor u geschreven (http://www.progress.org/2005/fold409.htm)



Editorial




Terror and the State of Israel
by Fred E. Foldvary, Senior Editor

Israel is the only state whose existence has been under continuous denial and attack. Since its independence, the State of Israel has had to defend its borders against external invasion. Today, there is a continuous threat of invasion by militants who seek to murder and maim civilians, and strike fear in the population in order to achieve political gains, which is the essence of terrorism.

Arabs hostile to Israel say there are making revolution, as did the USA against the British colonial rulers. But a righteous revolution focuses its attacks on military targets, not civilians. Moreover, the violent attacks would only achieve their goals if they could militarily defeat the Israeli army. The terrorists have mistakenly treated the Israelis as though they were a colonial power as was France and the United Kingdom when they controlled the Middle East.

After World War I, France and the UK, the European victors, dismantled the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish empires. In Europe, the fragments became independent countries, but in the Middle East, the victors created colonies such as Iraq, with artificial boundaries. After World War II, the Europeans left, and the Middle Eastern colonies became independent states.

Many Arabs regard Israelis as colonial intruders. They don't understand the history of Israel or the mentality of Jews who see themselves as living in their homeland, land they see as promised to them by God. Israelis are not like French and British colonists who can return to their homelands of France and Great Britain.

It is doubly ironic for Arabs to consider Israelis as crusaders, since the European crusaders murdered Jews as well as Muslims. Moreover, the population of Israel swelled soon after its independence when Arab states pressured Jews to leave. If they want Jews in Israel to go back to where they came from, the Arabian Jews would have to go back to places such as Iraq and Yemen, where they would be murdered.

The Israelis have reacted to the constant terror and intrusions with sophisticated tactics and technology. The border has to be monitored constantly. Israeli soldiers are well trained to detect and eliminate terrorist attacks. Israel is a democracy under the rule of law, and although it has taken harsh measures to defend itself, there is a regard for legal procedures. The terrorists violate all human rights and simply kill at will, but Israel operates under constraints.

Israelis have been good at defense but awful in their domestic policies. With their huge military expenses, they need to squeeze as much productivity as possible from their limited resources. Israel is also increasingly being divided into rich and poor economic classes. Israel needs to scrap its destructive value-added tax and avoid taxing income and goods. Real estate in Israel is expensive, but that can be turned into a great asset if the land value were tapped for public revenue. Untaxing goods and labor while tapping the land rent for public revenue would reduce the economic inequality while generating more wealth for defense and daily life.

Israel has offered land and compensation, but that is not enough for many Palestinian Arabs. Some seek the total destruction of the State of Israel, and others seek the evacuation of all Jews out of Israel. Others more moderately seek, besides land, the return of Palestinian Arabs to land that they held prior to 1948. If this was permitted, hundreds of thousands of Arabs would enter and live in Israel, creating an Arab majority, who would then control a government hostile to Jews.

But the State of Israel was created specifically as the place where Jews would be free to govern themselves in their original homeland. In Europe and the Middle East, they were persecuted because of their religion. Israeli Jews will not give up the independence and self-governance they have regained at so great a cost.

The deepest conflict is over religion. The Arab states have been propagating hateful diatribes against Judaism and Jews for decades. During World War II, the Arab world became influenced by Nazi propaganda. Hateful and deceitful propaganda is taught in the schools and broadcast all over the Middle East and in Muslim countries. Egypt has formally recognized the State of Israel, yet it is a chief source of anti-Jewish propaganda. Millions of Arabs are then inculcated with hatred not just against the State of Israel and Israelis but of Jews generally. Jews in France and elsewhere then get attacked.

Both Israelis and Arabs need to confront reality. Millions of Jews live in Israel, and they are dug in and not going away. They have not brought in an alien language such as Spanish, but have restored the original Hebrew, which is now spoken and written throughout Israel. Muslims and Arabs need to understand this reality, but also Israelis need to get real about the Arabs. They need to recognize the rights of Arabs, as human beings and as residents of the land, to dignity and equal self-governance. They need to stop unnecessary humiliations and pain.



Both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have made many mistakes over the last hundred years. Opportunities for peace were lost after 1948, 1967, and 2000. At the deepest level there needs to be a cessation of religious hatred and intolerance. The land and self-governance that Arabs seek in Palestine will be possible if they recognize the humanity of Israelis and turn to peaceful and democratic solutions. Americans and Europeans should promote a democratic confederation of Israel and Palestine, with all landholders paying rent to the confederation. The borders and land titles would then no longer matter so much, and an economic market for land could replace the political and military conflict over territory.

-- Fred Foldvary

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Editorial




Terror and the State of Israel
by Fred E. Foldvary, Senior Editor

Israel is the only state whose existence has been under continuous denial and attack. Since its independence, the State of Israel has had to defend its borders against external invasion. Today, there is a continuous threat of invasion by militants who seek to murder and maim civilians, and strike fear in the population in order to achieve political gains, which is the essence of terrorism.

Arabs hostile to Israel say there are making revolution, as did the USA against the British colonial rulers. But a righteous revolution focuses its attacks on military targets, not civilians. Moreover, the violent attacks would only achieve their goals if they could militarily defeat the Israeli army. The terrorists have mistakenly treated the Israelis as though they were a colonial power as was France and the United Kingdom when they controlled the Middle East.

After World War I, France and the UK, the European victors, dismantled the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish empires. In Europe, the fragments became independent countries, but in the Middle East, the victors created colonies such as Iraq, with artificial boundaries. After World War II, the Europeans left, and the Middle Eastern colonies became independent states.

Many Arabs regard Israelis as colonial intruders. They don't understand the history of Israel or the mentality of Jews who see themselves as living in their homeland, land they see as promised to them by God. Israelis are not like French and British colonists who can return to their homelands of France and Great Britain.

It is doubly ironic for Arabs to consider Israelis as crusaders, since the European crusaders murdered Jews as well as Muslims. Moreover, the population of Israel swelled soon after its independence when Arab states pressured Jews to leave. If they want Jews in Israel to go back to where they came from, the Arabian Jews would have to go back to places such as Iraq and Yemen, where they would be murdered.

The Israelis have reacted to the constant terror and intrusions with sophisticated tactics and technology. The border has to be monitored constantly. Israeli soldiers are well trained to detect and eliminate terrorist attacks. Israel is a democracy under the rule of law, and although it has taken harsh measures to defend itself, there is a regard for legal procedures. The terrorists violate all human rights and simply kill at will, but Israel operates under constraints.

Israelis have been good at defense but awful in their domestic policies. With their huge military expenses, they need to squeeze as much productivity as possible from their limited resources. Israel is also increasingly being divided into rich and poor economic classes. Israel needs to scrap its destructive value-added tax and avoid taxing income and goods. Real estate in Israel is expensive, but that can be turned into a great asset if the land value were tapped for public revenue. Untaxing goods and labor while tapping the land rent for public revenue would reduce the economic inequality while generating more wealth for defense and daily life.

Israel has offered land and compensation, but that is not enough for many Palestinian Arabs. Some seek the total destruction of the State of Israel, and others seek the evacuation of all Jews out of Israel. Others more moderately seek, besides land, the return of Palestinian Arabs to land that they held prior to 1948. If this was permitted, hundreds of thousands of Arabs would enter and live in Israel, creating an Arab majority, who would then control a government hostile to Jews.

But the State of Israel was created specifically as the place where Jews would be free to govern themselves in their original homeland. In Europe and the Middle East, they were persecuted because of their religion. Israeli Jews will not give up the independence and self-governance they have regained at so great a cost.

The deepest conflict is over religion. The Arab states have been propagating hateful diatribes against Judaism and Jews for decades. During World War II, the Arab world became influenced by Nazi propaganda. Hateful and deceitful propaganda is taught in the schools and broadcast all over the Middle East and in Muslim countries. Egypt has formally recognized the State of Israel, yet it is a chief source of anti-Jewish propaganda. Millions of Arabs are then inculcated with hatred not just against the State of Israel and Israelis but of Jews generally. Jews in France and elsewhere then get attacked.

Both Israelis and Arabs need to confront reality. Millions of Jews live in Israel, and they are dug in and not going away. They have not brought in an alien language such as Spanish, but have restored the original Hebrew, which is now spoken and written throughout Israel. Muslims and Arabs need to understand this reality, but also Israelis need to get real about the Arabs. They need to recognize the rights of Arabs, as human beings and as residents of the land, to dignity and equal self-governance. They need to stop unnecessary humiliations and pain.



Both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have made many mistakes over the last hundred years. Opportunities for peace were lost after 1948, 1967, and 2000. At the deepest level there needs to be a cessation of religious hatred and intolerance. The land and self-governance that Arabs seek in Palestine will be possible if they recognize the humanity of Israelis and turn to peaceful and democratic solutions. Americans and Europeans should promote a democratic confederation of Israel and Palestine, with all landholders paying rent to the confederation. The borders and land titles would then no longer matter so much, and an economic market for land could replace the political and military conflict over territory.

-- Fred Foldvary

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Terror and the State of Israel

by Fred E. Foldvary, Senior Editor



Israel is the only state whose existence has been under continuous denial and attack. Since its independence, the State of Israel has had to defend its borders against external invasion. Today, there is a continuous threat of invasion by militants who seek to murder and maim civilians, and strike fear in the population in order to achieve political gains, which is the essence of terrorism.

Arabs hostile to Israel say there are making revolution, as did the USA against the British colonial rulers. But a righteous revolution focuses its attacks on military targets, not civilians. Moreover, the violent attacks would only achieve their goals if they could militarily defeat the Israeli army. The terrorists have mistakenly treated the Israelis as though they were a colonial power as was France and the United Kingdom when they controlled the Middle East.

After World War I, France and the UK, the European victors, dismantled the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish empires. In Europe, the fragments became independent countries, but in the Middle East, the victors created colonies such as Iraq, with artificial boundaries. After World War II, the Europeans left, and the Middle Eastern colonies became independent states.

Many Arabs regard Israelis as colonial intruders. They don't understand the history of Israel or the mentality of Jews who see themselves as living in their homeland, land they see as promised to them by God. Israelis are not like French and British colonists who can return to their homelands of France and Great Britain.

It is doubly ironic for Arabs to consider Israelis as crusaders, since the European crusaders murdered Jews as well as Muslims. Moreover, the population of Israel swelled soon after its independence when Arab states pressured Jews to leave. If they want Jews in Israel to go back to where they came from, the Arabian Jews would have to go back to places such as Iraq and Yemen, where they would be murdered.

The Israelis have reacted to the constant terror and intrusions with sophisticated tactics and technology. The border has to be monitored constantly. Israeli soldiers are well trained to detect and eliminate terrorist attacks. Israel is a democracy under the rule of law, and although it has taken harsh measures to defend itself, there is a regard for legal procedures. The terrorists violate all human rights and simply kill at will, but Israel operates under constraints.

Israelis have been good at defense but awful in their domestic policies. With their huge military expenses, they need to squeeze as much productivity as possible from their limited resources. Israel is also increasingly being divided into rich and poor economic classes. Israel needs to scrap its destructive value-added tax and avoid taxing income and goods. Real estate in Israel is expensive, but that can be turned into a great asset if the land value were tapped for public revenue. Untaxing goods and labor while tapping the land rent for public revenue would reduce the economic inequality while generating more wealth for defense and daily life.

Israel has offered land and compensation, but that is not enough for many Palestinian Arabs. Some seek the total destruction of the State of Israel, and others seek the evacuation of all Jews out of Israel. Others more moderately seek, besides land, the return of Palestinian Arabs to land that they held prior to 1948. If this was permitted, hundreds of thousands of Arabs would enter and live in Israel, creating an Arab majority, who would then control a government hostile to Jews.

But the State of Israel was created specifically as the place where Jews would be free to govern themselves in their original homeland. In Europe and the Middle East, they were persecuted because of their religion. Israeli Jews will not give up the independence and self-governance they have regained at so great a cost.

The deepest conflict is over religion. The Arab states have been propagating hateful diatribes against Judaism and Jews for decades. During World War II, the Arab world became influenced by Nazi propaganda. Hateful and deceitful propaganda is taught in the schools and broadcast all over the Middle East and in Muslim countries. Egypt has formally recognized the State of Israel, yet it is a chief source of anti-Jewish propaganda. Millions of Arabs are then inculcated with hatred not just against the State of Israel and Israelis but of Jews generally. Jews in France and elsewhere then get attacked.

Both Israelis and Arabs need to confront reality. Millions of Jews live in Israel, and they are dug in and not going away. They have not brought in an alien language such as Spanish, but have restored the original Hebrew, which is now spoken and written throughout Israel. Muslims and Arabs need to understand this reality, but also Israelis need to get real about the Arabs. They need to recognize the rights of Arabs, as human beings and as residents of the land, to dignity and equal self-governance. They need to stop unnecessary humiliations and pain.

Both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have made many mistakes over the last hundred years. Opportunities for peace were lost after 1948, 1967, and 2000. At the deepest level there needs to be a cessation of religious hatred and intolerance. The land and self-governance that Arabs seek in Palestine will be possible if they recognize the humanity of Israelis and turn to peaceful and democratic solutions. Americans and Europeans should promote a democratic confederation of Israel and Palestine, with all landholders paying rent to the confederation. The borders and land titles would then no longer matter so much, and an economic market for land could replace the political and military conflict over territory.

-- Fred Foldvary

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[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

Punt 3: Hou op met dat gezever over de islam. Een groot gedeelte van de Palestijnse bevolking zijn Christelijke droezen.

De verhouding Moslims/Christenen is bij de Palestijnen ongeveer 90% Moslims, 10% Christenen.
Uiteraard zijn de meeste Palestijnen Arabieren en geen Droezen.
(Niet dat dit veel terzake doet, maar juist is juist.)

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

Punt 5 : Ik toon idd géén greintje sympathie voor deze illegale piratenstaat wat nog niet wil zeggen dat ik antisemiet ben.

Perish the thought!

[Pascal L.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

Punt 5 : Ik toon idd géén greintje sympathie voor deze illegale piratenstaat wat nog niet wil zeggen dat ik antisemiet ben.

Natuurlijk niet, en Franz Ritter Von Epp is natuurlijk uw eigen naam en niet de naam van de nazi gouverneur van Beieren tijdens WOII ...
uiteraard bent u geen antisemiet Schnauzer, ocharme toch, zitten de vuile joden , euh sorry zionisten, weer op uw kap?[edit]
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Natuurlijk niet, en Franz Ritter Von Epp is natuurlijk uw eigen naam en niet de naam van de nazi gouverneur van Beieren tijdens WOII ...
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[Patriot!]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mitgard

het moedige verzet van de palestijnen is bewonderenswaardig.

Moed?? MOORD ja!

[StevenNr1]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nordthiad

Als je wat meer op het nieuws zou letten

Jij had misschien beter naar ander nieuws gekeken vrees ik, Sharon blijft ondertussen lekker kolonietjes bijbouwen en verder ondersteunen op de Wetselijke Jordaanoever en in Oost-Jeruzalem (daar wonen dan samen ook de meeste kolonisten,) maar och, hij gaat er ocharme enkele afbreken inde Gazastrook en waarom? Toch niet omdat hij zo virendelijk is zeker, nene, de beveiliging van die paar 1000 kolonisten kost gewoon handenvol geld en ja, dat laten ze dan maar, kunnen ze beter voor een illegale muur of wat extra wapentuig gebruiken.

[Franz Ritter Von Epp]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

De verhouding Moslims/Christenen is bij de Palestijnen ongeveer 90% Moslims, 10% Christenen.
Uiteraard zijn de meeste Palestijnen Arabieren en geen Droezen.
(Niet dat dit veel terzake doet, maar juist is juist.)

Perish the thought!

10% Christenen is toch al behoorlijk wat op een bevolking van ongeveer 1,2 miljoen Palestijnen. In tegenstelling tot véél burgerlijk-rechtsen hier weiger ik te vervallen in primaire islamofobie en steun dit moegetergde volk in ze'n strijd voor onafhankelijkheid en zelfbestuur.

[JusticeLover]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

Ik hoop dat de "moed" van die terroristen u en uw familie op dezelfde manier zal raken als die 28-jarige net getrouwde jonge vader die vandaag vermoord werd, want met zulke uitspraken toont u echt wel dat u dat verdient.

Ik heb helemaal geen sympathie voor de sionisten maar terrrorisme is gewoon laf! Ik heb genoeg van zulke taferelen gezien in Turkije en het is verschrikkelijk!!!

Ik kan best voorstellen dat er rijke kolonels zijn die alleen maar gebieden willen ... Het is niet goed te spreken wat de palestijnse verzetstrijders/terroristen hebben gedaan. Maar als Sharon nu kolonisten die niet willen weggaan uit de Palestijnse gebieden is vermoord ipv arme palestijnen ...

@Mitgard

Ik zou duizend keer vergiffenis vragen. De kans is groot dat zijn wens overkomt ...

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

10% Christenen is toch al behoorlijk wat op een bevolking van ongeveer 1,2 miljoen Palestijnen. In tegenstelling tot véél burgerlijk-rechtsen hier weiger ik te vervallen in primaire islamofobie en steun dit moegetergde volk in ze'n strijd voor onafhankelijkheid en zelfbestuur.

Weet jij wel iets over dit probleem?

Hoe kom jij aan 1,2 miljoen Palestijnen?

West-bank: +/- 2,4 miljoen
Gazastrook: +/- 1,4 miljoen

[Franz Ritter Von Epp]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

Natuurlijk niet, en Franz Ritter Von Epp is natuurlijk uw eigen naam en niet de naam van de nazi gouverneur van Beieren tijdens WOII ...

Von Epp was een nationaal-revolutionair verantwoordelijk voor de koloniale politiek van het derde rijk en géén nazi dus hou u gezever voor uzelf.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

uiteraard bent u geen antisemiet Schnauzer, ocharme toch, zitten de vuile joden , euh sorry zionisten, weer op uw kap?

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Von Epp was een nationaal-revolutionair verantwoordelijk voor de koloniale politiek van het derde rijk en géén nazi dus hou u gezever voor uzelf.

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[Franz Ritter Von Epp]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Weet jij wel iets over dit probleem?

Hoe kom jij aan 1,2 miljoen Palestijnen?

West-bank: +/- 2,4 miljoen
Gazastrook: +/- 1,4 miljoen

Dit is idd een foutje van mij. ik had namelijk enkel de populatie geteld van de Gaza-strook(bevolkingsaantal 2002). Er leven idd 3,8 miljoen Palestijnen in Palestina en 10% daarvan is 380.000. Wat toch een behoorlijk aantal Christenen is maar dit terzake.

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Franz Ritter Von Epp

Von Epp was een nationaal-revolutionair verantwoordelijk voor de koloniale politiek van het derde rijk en géén nazi dus hou u gezever voor uzelf.

Zelfs over je nick weet je niets!

Politisch betätigt sich Epp in der Bayerischen Volkspartei, weil er starke Vorbehalte gegen Adolf Hitler hat. Trotzdem unterstützt er mit Röhm durch eine Finanzspende in Höhe von 60.000 Mark die Bestrebungen, 1920 den Völkischen Beobachter in das Sprachrohr der NSDAP zu verwandeln. Er beteiligt sich nicht am Hitler-Putsch vom 9. November 1923.
Nach dem Eintritt in die NSDAP im Jahre 1928 ist er Abgeordneter des Deutschen Reichstages für den Wahlkreis Oberbayern/Schwaben. Am 9. März 1933 wird er durch den Reichsinnenminister Wilhelm Frick zum Reichskommissar in Bayern ernannt und übernimmnt, nach der Ausschaltung der legalen Regierung, kommissarisch die Regierungsgewalt.

Am 10. April 1933 wird er zum Reichsstatthalter in Bayern ernannt. Diese Position behält er bis 1945 bei. Sein Amt verwaltet er zum Ärger Hitlers nicht ohne Berücksichtigung des bayerischen Partikuralismus. Am 5. Mai 1934 wird er zum Leiter des Kolonialpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP, vier Monate später durch Hitler zum Bayrischen Landesjägermeister ernannt. Im Juli 1935 wird er zum General der Infanterie befördert, doch sein Einfluß nahm rapide ab.

Erstmals geht er auf leichte Distanz zu den Herrschaftspraktiken der Verfolgungen des NS-Regimes, als er sich ab 1934 gegen die "unangemessene Anwendung der Schutzhaft" in Bayern wendet, die "das Vertrauen in Recht und Gesetz" untergraben würde. Damit legt er sich mit Reinhard Heydrich und Heinrich Himmler an. Er war im April 1945 an der mißlungenen Revolte der NS-feindlichen "Freiheitsaktion Bayern" verwickelt.

Er gilt heute als parteiinterner Kritiker Hitlers. Am 31. Dezember 1946 starb er in Internierungshaft in einem Münchner Krankenhaus.

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Hij was dus wel degelijk een nazi.