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Oud 23 augustus 2005, 01:33   #1
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This is simply laughable. Show me one single Islamic terrorist who is poor and who lacked opportunities. Talking of Dictatorship? Islamic countries had always been ruled by dictators. Muhammad himself was the greatest dictator of them all. All the Caliphs that followed him were also dictators and uncouth tyrants. The Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to follow exactly the examples of Muhammad(3:132, 33:21), and obviously this also includes emulating his dictatorial disposition. Let us just imagine that all those current Muslim dictators are gone. Do you think the Islamic terrorists will lay down their arms and surrender to democratic institutions? Here are a few examples about what the Islamists are doing: Bangladesh ,the world's third largest Muslim country is not currently ruled by a dictator, why then Bangladesh has become a `cocoon' of Islamic terror? Indonesia , the world's largest Muslim nation got rid of General Suharto, another dictator. But why Indonesia is now in
greater danger from the Islamic terrorists (remember the Bali
bombing, the Mariott bombing and the Australian embassy bombing?)
than when Suharto was in power? And I could cite a few more
examples.

The bottom line is: The excuse of Islamic dictatorship is just a propaganda strategy of the Islamists. I can assure you that even when all the dictators in the Islamic Paradises are removed, the Islamists will not lay down their sword. They will simply take this as an opportunity to have a field day celebrating their victory. They will then be completely free to advance their agenda— to globalise Islam. When not in power, the Islamists love Western-style democracy, as this gives them the right opportunity to germinate and thrive and prosper. But once they rise to power, they will surely kill the very democratic environment that nurtured them. We must understand that the Islamists use the Western values of democracy, tolerance, freedom of thought and modern western technology as weapons to demolish the Western society. It is a guerrilla warfare, in which the guerrillas capture the weapons of the strong army and use them to fight the enemy. The Islamists are guerrillas too—they are using exactly the same strategy as the armed guerrillas use in a combat. When we fully understand this clever technique of the Islamists, we can formulate correct policies to
defeat them.

Has the West been responsible in anyways for how Muslims feel?

If we say that the colonisation of some of the so-called Muslim
lands by the West is a prime reason of the extreme anger and hate
towards the West, then we must also blame the Islamic world for
colonising the major parts of Asia, Africa, Central Asia and Spain .Why the Bedouin Arabs/Muslims had to conquer and subjugate lands like India , Egypt , Iran , Tunisia , etc? Who gave them the right to perpetrate Bedouin barbarism and mayhem in those civilised worlds? The Islamic world is now reaping the fruit for the seed they had sown a thousand years ago. The West had simply resorted to what was beneficial for them and for the colonised territories. If we consider that the world is a might is right game then Islam played this game before and now it has to pay a price for its uncivilised and barbaric aggression. Islam should not complain much. What goes around also comes around.

My personal view is that the colonisation by the West does have some bearing. But this is just a minor issue, very minor indeed. The past is past and many decolonised nations are progressing well. If we are to go by the Islamists' logic then why is it that the Hindus and the Buddhists are not resorting to terrorism to avenge their past colonial masters?[/font]


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This is simply laughable. Show me one single Islamic terrorist who is poor and who lacked opportunities. Talking of Dictatorship? Islamic countries had always been ruled by dictators. Muhammad himself was the greatest dictator of them all. All the Caliphs that followed him were also dictators and uncouth tyrants. The Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to follow exactly the examples of Muhammad(3:132, 33:21), and obviously this also includes emulating his dictatorial disposition. Let us just imagine that all those current Muslim dictators are gone. Do you think the Islamic terrorists will lay down their arms and surrender to democratic institutions? Here are a few examples about what the Islamists are doing: Bangladesh ,the world's third largest Muslim country is not currently ruled by a dictator, why then Bangladesh has become a `cocoon' of Islamic terror? Indonesia , the world's largest Muslim nation got rid of General Suharto, another dictator. But why Indonesia is now in
greater danger from the Islamic terrorists (remember the Bali
bombing, the Mariott bombing and the Australian embassy bombing?)
than when Suharto was in power? And I could cite a few more
examples.

The bottom line is: The excuse of Islamic dictatorship is just a propaganda strategy of the Islamists. I can assure you that even when all the dictators in the Islamic Paradises are removed, the Islamists will not lay down their sword. They will simply take this as an opportunity to have a field day celebrating their victory. They will then be completely free to advance their agenda— to globalise Islam. When not in power, the Islamists love Western-style democracy, as this gives them the right opportunity to germinate and thrive and prosper. But once they rise to power, they will surely kill the very democratic environment that nurtured them. We must understand that the Islamists use the Western values of democracy, tolerance, freedom of thought and modern western technology as weapons to demolish the Western society. It is a guerrilla warfare, in which the guerrillas capture the weapons of the strong army and use them to fight the enemy. The Islamists are guerrillas too—they are using exactly the same strategy as the armed guerrillas use in a combat. When we fully understand this clever technique of the Islamists, we can formulate correct policies to
defeat them.

Has the West been responsible in anyways for how Muslims feel?

If we say that the colonisation of some of the so-called Muslim
lands by the West is a prime reason of the extreme anger and hate
towards the West, then we must also blame the Islamic world for
colonising the major parts of Asia, Africa, Central Asia and Spain .Why the Bedouin Arabs/Muslims had to conquer and subjugate lands like India , Egypt , Iran , Tunisia , etc? Who gave them the right to perpetrate Bedouin barbarism and mayhem in those civilised worlds? The Islamic world is now reaping the fruit for the seed they had sown a thousand years ago. The West had simply resorted to what was beneficial for them and for the colonised territories. If we consider that the world is a might is right game then Islam played this game before and now it has to pay a price for its uncivilised and barbaric aggression. Islam should not complain much. What goes around also comes around.

My personal view is that the colonisation by the West does have some bearing. But this is just a minor issue, very minor indeed. The past is past and many decolonised nations are progressing well. If we are to go by the Islamists' logic then why is it that the Hindus and the Buddhists are not resorting to terrorism to avenge their past colonial masters?[/font]


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This is simply laughable. Show me one single Islamic terrorist who is poor and who lacked opportunities. Talking of Dictatorship? Islamic countries had always been ruled by dictators. Muhammad himself was the greatest dictator of them all. All the Caliphs that followed him were also dictators and uncouth tyrants. The Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to follow exactly the examples of Muhammad(3:132, 33:21), and obviously this also includes emulating his dictatorial disposition. Let us just imagine that all those current Muslim dictators are gone. Do you think the Islamic terrorists will lay down their arms and surrender to democratic institutions? Here are a few examples about what the Islamists are doing: Bangladesh ,the world's third largest Muslim country is not currently ruled by a dictator, why then Bangladesh has become a `cocoon' of Islamic terror? Indonesia , the world's largest Muslim nation got rid of General Suharto, another dictator. But why Indonesia is now in
greater danger from the Islamic terrorists (remember the Bali
bombing, the Mariott bombing and the Australian embassy bombing?)
than when Suharto was in power? And I could cite a few more
examples. The bottom line is: The excuse of Islamic dictatorship is just a propaganda strategy of the Islamists. I can assure you that even when all the dictators in the Islamic Paradises are removed, the Islamists will not lay down their sword. They will simply take this as an opportunity to have a field day celebrating their victory. They will then be completely free to advance their agenda— to globalise Islam. When not in power, the Islamists love Western-style democracy, as this gives them the right opportunity to germinate and thrive and prosper. But once they rise to power, they will surely kill the very democratic environment that nurtured them. We must understand that the Islamists use the Western values of democracy, tolerance, freedom of thought and modern western technology as weapons to demolish the Western society. It is a guerrilla warfare, in which the guerrillas capture the weapons of the strong army and use them to fight the enemy. The Islamists are guerrillas too—they are using exactly the same strategy as the armed guerrillas use in a combat. When we fully understand this clever technique of the Islamists, we can formulate correct policies to
defeat them.

Has the West been responsible in anyways for how Muslims feel?

[font=Courier New]If we say that the colonisation of some of the so-called Muslim
lands by the West is a prime reason of the extreme anger and hate
towards the West, then we must also blame the Islamic world for
colonising the major parts of Asia, Africa, Central Asia and Spain .Why the Bedouin Arabs/Muslims had to conquer and subjugate lands like India , Egypt , Iran , Tunisia , etc? Who gave them the right to perpetrate Bedouin barbarism and mayhem in those civilised worlds? The Islamic world is now reaping the fruit for the seed they had sown a thousand years ago. The West had simply resorted to what was beneficial for them and for the colonised territories. If we consider that the world is a might is right game then Islam played this game before and now it has to pay a price for its uncivilised and barbaric aggression. Islam should not complain much. What goes around also comes around.

My personal view is that the colonisation by the West does have some bearing. But this is just a minor issue, very minor indeed. The past is past and many decolonised nations are progressing well. If we are to go by the Islamists' logic then why is it that the Hindus and the Buddhists are not resorting to terrorism to avenge their past colonial masters?[/font]


http://faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasem50821p3.htm[/size]


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[font=Courier New]This is simply laughable. Show me one single Islamic terrorist who is poor and who lacked opportunities. Talking of Dictatorship? Islamic countries had always been ruled by dictators. Muhammad himself was the greatest dictator of them all. All the Caliphs that followed him were also dictators and uncouth tyrants. The Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to follow exactly the examples of Muhammad(3:132, 33:21), and obviously this also includes emulating his dictatorial disposition. Let us just imagine that all those current Muslim dictators are gone. Do you think the Islamic terrorists will lay down their arms and surrender to democratic institutions? Here are a few examples about what the Islamists are doing: Bangladesh ,the world's third largest Muslim country is not currently ruled by a dictator, why then Bangladesh has become a `cocoon' of Islamic terror? Indonesia , the world's largest Muslim nation got rid of
General Suharto, another dictator. But why Indonesia is now in
greater danger from the Islamic terrorists (remember the Bali
bombing, the Mariott bombing and the Australian embassy bombing?)
than when Suharto was in power? And I could cite a few more
examples. The bottom line is: The excuse of Islamic dictatorship is just a propaganda strategy of the Islamists. I can assure you that even when all the dictators in the Islamic Paradises are removed, the Islamists will not lay down their sword. They will simply take this as an opportunity to have a field day celebrating their victory. They will then be completely free to advance their agenda— to globalise Islam. When not in power, the Islamists love Western-style democracy, as this gives them the right opportunity to germinate and thrive and prosper. But once they rise to power, they will surely kill the very democratic environment that nurtured them. We must understand that the Islamists use the Western values of democracy, tolerance, freedom of thought and modern western technology as weapons to demolish the Western society. It is a guerrilla warfare, in which the guerrillas capture the weapons of the strong army and use them to fight the enemy. The Islamists are guerrillas too—they are using exactly the same strategy as the armed guerrillas use in a combat. When we fully understand this clever technique of the Islamists, we can formulate correct policies to
defeat them.

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Oud 23 augustus 2005, 16:50   #2
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Als ik dergelijke crap wilde lezen dan zou ik zelf wel naar die site gaan, dankuwel.

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Als ik dergelijke crap wilde lezen dan zou ik zelf wel naar die site gaan, dankuwel.

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Flip maar rustig verder, rund.Niemand vraagt u om Engels te leren...
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