US GI in Irak

[dejohan]

Ter info, zonder een standpunt te willen innemen, maar gewoon om eens een ander licht te werpen op de zaak: een persoonlijke brief van een US Special Operations GI ter plaatse. Gewoon omdat wij hier toch maar een deel van het verhaal te zien krijgen (zoals altijd).


It Ain't Necessarily So!

Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003, 11:09:09 GMT
Hey Guys, sorry it's been so long since I've sent anything but a quick note
to you individually. However things have been pretty hectic since the end
of hostilities and the start of the real war. Despite what the assholes in
the press like to say over and over:
1) We did expect some armed resistance from the Ba'ath Party and Feydaheen;
2) It isn't any worse than expected;
3) Things are getting better each day, and
4) The morale of the troops is A-1, except for the normal bitching and
griping.
My brief love affair with the press, especially the guys who had the
cajones to be embedded with the troops during the fighting, is probably
over, especially since we are back being criticized by the same Roland
Headly types that used to hang around the Palestine Hotel drinking Baghdad
Bob's whiskey and parroting his ridiculous B.S.
I'm in Baghdad now, since SpOpComm 5 relocated here from Qatar. It looks,
sounds and smells about the same but at least you can get Maker's Mark at
the local OC. We came up in mid-June to help set up operation Scorpion and
Sidewinder. It represents a major (and long overdue) shift in tactics.
Instead of being sitting ducks for the ragheads we now are going after the
worthless pieces of fecal matter.
I'm no longer baby-sitting the pukes from CNN and the canned hams from the
networks, but have a combat mission coordinating a bunch of A teams,
seeking, finding and rooting out the mostly non-Iraqis that are well-armed,
well-paid (in U.S. dollars) and always waiting to wail for the press and
then shoot some GI in the back in the midst of a crowd.
The only reason the GIs are pissed (not demoralized) is that they cannot
touch, must less waste, those taunting bags of gas that scream in their
faces and riot on cue when they spot a camera man from ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN
or NBC. If they did, then they know the next nightly news will be about how
chaotic things are and how much the Iraqi people hate us.
Some do. But the vast majority don't and more and more see that the GIs
don't start anything, are by-and-large friendly, and very compassionate,
especially to kids and old people. I saw a bunch of 19 year-olds from the
82nd Airborne not return fire coming from a mosque until they got a group
of elderly civilians out of harm's way. So did the Iraqis.
A bunch of bad guys used a group of women and children as human shields.
The GIs surrounded them and negotiated their surrender fifteen hours later
and when they discovered a three year-old girl had been injured by the big
tough guys throwing her down a flight of stairs, the GIs called in a MedVac
helicopter to take her and her mother to the nearest field hospital. The
Iraqis watched it all, and there hasn't been a problem in that neighborhood
since. How many such stories, and there are hundreds of them, ever get
reported in the fair and balanced press? You know, nada.
The civilians who have figured it out faster than anyone are the local
teenagers. They watch the GIs and try to talk to them and ask questions
about America and Now wear wrap-around sunglasses, GAP T-shirts, Dockers
(or even better Levis with the red tags) and Nikes (or Egyptian knock-offs,
but with the "swoosh") and love to listen to AFN when the GIs play it on
their radios.
They participate less and less in the demonstrations and help keep us
informed when a wannabe bad-ass shows up in the neighborhood.
The younger kids are going back to school again, don't have to listen to
some mullah rant about the Koran ten hours a day, and they get a hot meal.
They see the same GIs who man the corner checkpoint, helping clear the
playground, install new swingsets and create soccer fields. I watched a
bunch of kids playing baseball in one playground, under the supervision of
a couple of GIs from Oklahoma. They weren't very good but were having fun,
probably more than most Little Leaguers
The place is still a mess but most of it has been for years. But the
Hospitals are open and are in the process of being brought into the 21st
Century. The MOs and visiting surgeons from home are teaching their docs
new techniques and one American pharmaceutical company (you know, the kind
that all the hippies like to scream about as greedy) donated enough
medicine to stock 45 hospital pharmacies for a year.
Safe water is more available. Electricity has been restored to pre-war
levels but saboteurs keep cutting the lines. And The old Ba'ath big shots
are upset because they can't get fuel for their private generators. One
actually complained to General McKeirnan, who told him it was a rough
world.
The MPs are screening the 80,000 Iraqi police force and rehabbing the ones
that weren't goons, shake-down artists or torturers like they did in East
Berlin, Kosovo and Afghanistan.
There are dual patrols of Iraqi cops and U.S./U.K./Polish MPs now in most
of the larger cities.
Basra has 3.5 million inhabitants.
Mosul is a city of 2 million.
Kirkuk has 1 million.
How many and hundreds of other small towns have not had riots or shootings?
The vast majority.
The six U.K. cops were killed in a small Shiite town by the ex-cops they
were re-habbing. According to a Royal Marine colonel I talked to, the
town now has about twenty permanent vacancies in its police force.
Mick, he's a big potato eater from Belfast named Huggins and knows how to
handle terrorists after twenty years fighting with the IRA. He sends his
regards and says he'd love to have you here. Thinks you'd make a great
police chief, even though the cops would be more frightened of you than the
local hoods (then he laughed)
I heard one doofus on MSNBC the other night talk about how "nearly 60" GIs
have been killed since 01 May.
The truth is that 21 GIs have been killed in combat, mostly from ambush,
from 01 May through 30 June,
Another 29 have been killed by accidents or other causes (two drowned while
swimming in the Tigris).
The MSNBC idiot is the same jerk who reported on the air that "dozens of
GIs" were badly burned when two RPGs hit a truck belonging to an Engineer
Battalion that was parked by a construction site. The truck was hit and
burned, three GIs received minor injuries (including the driver who burnt
his hand) and three warriors of Allah were promptly sent to enjoy their 72
slave girls in Paradise. Hell of a way to get laid.
A mosque in that shithole Fallujah blew up this morning while the local
imam, a creep named Fahlil (who was one of the biggest local loudmouths
that frequently appeared on CNN) was helping a Syrian Hamas member teach
eight teenagers how to make belt bombs. Right away the local Feyhadeen
propaganda group started wailing that the Americans hit it with a TOW
missile (If they had there wouldn't have been any mosque left!) and the
usual suspects took to the streets for CNN and BBC. One fool was dragging
around a piece of tin with blood on it, claiming it was part of the
missile.
The cameras rolled and the idiot started repeating his story, then one of
my guys asked him in Arabic where he had left the rag he usually wore
around his face that made him look like a girl. He was a local leader of
the Feyhadeen. We took the clown in custody and were asked rather
indignantly by the twit from BBC if we were trying to shut up "the poor man
who had seen his mosque and friends blown up." I told the airy-fairy who
the raghead was and if he knew Arabic (which he obviously didn't) he'd know
he was a Palestinian. I suggested we take him down to the local jail and
we'd lock him and his cameraman in a cell with the "poor man" and they
could interview him until we took him to headquarters. They declined the
invitation. Guess what played on the Bullshit Broadcasting System that
evening? Did the Americans blow up a mosque? See the poor man who is still
in a state of shock over losing his mosque and relatives? Yep. Our friend
the Palestinian.
Our search and destroy missions are largely at night, free of reporters and
generally terrifying to those brave warriors of Allah.
The only thing that frightens them more is hearing the word "Gitmo". The
word is out that a trip to Guantanimo Bay is not a Caribbean vacation and
they usually start squealing like the little mice they are, when an
interrogator mentions "Gitmo".
No wonder the International Red Cross, the National Council of Churches and
the French keep protesting about the place. They know it has proven to be
very effective in keeping several hundred real fanatical psychopaths in
check and very frankly would rather see them cut loose to go kill some more
GIs or innocent Americans, just to make W. look bad.
We have about 200 really bad guys in custody now and probably will park
them in the desert behind a triple roll of razor wire, backed up by a
couple of Bradleys pointed their way, if they decide to riot. Maybe a few
will get to Gitmo but most are human garbage that wouldn't take on your
five-year old grandson face-to-face. The more we go after them and not
vice-versa I think we will see the sniper attacks go down. Yeah, they'll
get lucky now and then, but it's showtime, fellows.
Our first objective is to get the die-hards off the street (or make them
too scared to come out in them) and destroy their caches of weapons (we
have collected more than 227,000 AK-47s and that is only the tip of the
iceburg; Curly bought nearly a million of them from our pal Vladimir, then
cut off their money supply, mostly from Syria and Lebanon. We must continue
to get public services up and running, so the local families can get water,
sewage and garbage service; electricity, public transportation; oil fields
and refineries working and a dinar that won't halve in value every month.
It's going to be a long haul (remember it took 10-15 years in Japan and
West Germany) but if we don't stick with it, nobody else will, and we'll
have some other looney running the place again.
This place has greater potential than Saudi Arabia (bunch of goat-herders
who struck black gold) or Iran (weird dudes who can't run a rug bazaar much
less a major country).
Armageddon, here we come. Remember, it's located on the outskirts of
Jerusalem.
Enough of that cheery speculation. The good news is that General
Schoonmaker is going to appointed ChiefArmy and the old man is coming to
Tampa to run the SpOps desk at CentComm. He's tops and will be getting his
second star.
To me it means that SpOps will be more predominant in future operations and
after 18 years as a GB maybe I'll have a shot at a bird-level combat
command.
The old man asked me to come to MacDill and be his ACS but I told him after
I spent four months changing the diapers of the media types, I wanted to go
back to action. Hence, my current gig.
As the movie quoted old General Patton, "God help me, I love it." I do.
Nothing more satisfying than working with the BEST damn soldiers in the
world, flushing real human poop down the drain and giving some folks a
chance at trying freedom for a change.
They may learn to like it and then my great-great-grandson won't have to
worry about some maniac trying to destroy the planet.
My tour is over at the end of August, and I plan to return to Tampa, brief
the old man, then head to San Rafael and see my two sweethearts. I'd like
to visit my parents in Toronto and my brother in London, before taking on a
trip across the country. Just like any other family. It will charge my
batteries before I end up back in some other interesting and challenging
location. I hope to see most of you and ask for some advice, not support. I
know I've had that all along. Thanks.
Now about that Maker's Mark.
God Bless America
Mark.
P.S. A couple of you asked me about Curly and his two sons, Dumb and
Dumber. I still think we got him and one son, but the slugs may have gotten
away. If they are alive, I can't believe they are hanging around here. Even
Curly isn't that stupid .... then again. He might be in Syria or Lebanon.
If he is, he's too moronic to keep quiet, then we'll get him. I promise.

[Mustapha]

Vertaal is vriend
Heb niks voor niks 2de zit engels

[Elle]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mustapha

Vertaal is vriend
Heb niks voor niks 2de zit engels

Nederlands ook?

[size=2]Sorry, kon het mij niet laten.... [/size]

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mustapha

Vertaal is vriend
Heb niks voor niks 2de zit engels

Een voorbeeld van 'selectief' begrijpen. Wij kennen reeds langer 'Ikke niks begrijp, ikke niks spreek nederlands'. Als het hen uitkomt natuurlijk.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door dejohan

Ter info, zonder een standpunt te willen innemen, maar gewoon om eens een ander licht te werpen op de zaak: een persoonlijke brief van een US Special Operations GI ter plaatse. Gewoon omdat wij hier toch maar een deel van het verhaal te zien krijgen (zoals altijd).


It Ain't Necessarily So!

Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003, 11:09:09 GMT
Hey Guys, sorry it's been so long since I've sent anything but a quick note
to you individually. However things have been pretty hectic since the end
of hostilities and the start of the real war. Despite what the assholes in
the press like to say over and over:
1) We did expect some armed resistance from the Ba'ath Party and Feydaheen;
2) It isn't any worse than expected;
3) Things are getting better each day, and
4) The morale of the troops is A-1, except for the normal bitching and
griping.
My brief love affair with the press, especially the guys who had the
cajones to be embedded with the troops during the fighting, is probably
over, especially since we are back being criticized by the same Roland
Headly types that used to hang around the Palestine Hotel drinking Baghdad
Bob's whiskey and parroting his ridiculous B.S.
I'm in Baghdad now, since SpOpComm 5 relocated here from Qatar. It looks,
sounds and smells about the same but at least you can get Maker's Mark at
the local OC. We came up in mid-June to help set up operation Scorpion and
Sidewinder. It represents a major (and long overdue) shift in tactics.
Instead of being sitting ducks for the ragheads we now are going after the
worthless pieces of fecal matter.
I'm no longer baby-sitting the pukes from CNN and the canned hams from the
networks, but have a combat mission coordinating a bunch of A teams,
seeking, finding and rooting out the mostly non-Iraqis that are well-armed,
well-paid (in U.S. dollars) and always waiting to wail for the press and
then shoot some GI in the back in the midst of a crowd.
The only reason the GIs are pissed (not demoralized) is that they cannot
touch, must less waste, those taunting bags of gas that scream in their
faces and riot on cue when they spot a camera man from ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN
or NBC. If they did, then they know the next nightly news will be about how
chaotic things are and how much the Iraqi people hate us.
Some do. But the vast majority don't and more and more see that the GIs
don't start anything, are by-and-large friendly, and very compassionate,
especially to kids and old people. I saw a bunch of 19 year-olds from the
82nd Airborne not return fire coming from a mosque until they got a group
of elderly civilians out of harm's way. So did the Iraqis.
A bunch of bad guys used a group of women and children as human shields.
The GIs surrounded them and negotiated their surrender fifteen hours later
and when they discovered a three year-old girl had been injured by the big
tough guys throwing her down a flight of stairs, the GIs called in a MedVac
helicopter to take her and her mother to the nearest field hospital. The
Iraqis watched it all, and there hasn't been a problem in that neighborhood
since. How many such stories, and there are hundreds of them, ever get
reported in the fair and balanced press? You know, nada.
The civilians who have figured it out faster than anyone are the local
teenagers. They watch the GIs and try to talk to them and ask questions
about America and Now wear wrap-around sunglasses, GAP T-shirts, Dockers
(or even better Levis with the red tags) and Nikes (or Egyptian knock-offs,
but with the "swoosh") and love to listen to AFN when the GIs play it on
their radios.
They participate less and less in the demonstrations and help keep us
informed when a wannabe bad-ass shows up in the neighborhood.
The younger kids are going back to school again, don't have to listen to
some mullah rant about the Koran ten hours a day, and they get a hot meal.
They see the same GIs who man the corner checkpoint, helping clear the
playground, install new swingsets and create soccer fields. I watched a
bunch of kids playing baseball in one playground, under the supervision of
a couple of GIs from Oklahoma. They weren't very good but were having fun,
probably more than most Little Leaguers
The place is still a mess but most of it has been for years. But the
Hospitals are open and are in the process of being brought into the 21st
Century. The MOs and visiting surgeons from home are teaching their docs
new techniques and one American pharmaceutical company (you know, the kind
that all the hippies like to scream about as greedy) donated enough
medicine to stock 45 hospital pharmacies for a year.
Safe water is more available. Electricity has been restored to pre-war
levels but saboteurs keep cutting the lines. And The old Ba'ath big shots
are upset because they can't get fuel for their private generators. One
actually complained to General McKeirnan, who told him it was a rough
world.
The MPs are screening the 80,000 Iraqi police force and rehabbing the ones
that weren't goons, shake-down artists or torturers like they did in East
Berlin, Kosovo and Afghanistan.
There are dual patrols of Iraqi cops and U.S./U.K./Polish MPs now in most
of the larger cities.
Basra has 3.5 million inhabitants.
Mosul is a city of 2 million.
Kirkuk has 1 million.
How many and hundreds of other small towns have not had riots or shootings?
The vast majority.
The six U.K. cops were killed in a small Shiite town by the ex-cops they
were re-habbing. According to a Royal Marine colonel I talked to, the
town now has about twenty permanent vacancies in its police force.
Mick, he's a big potato eater from Belfast named Huggins and knows how to
handle terrorists after twenty years fighting with the IRA. He sends his
regards and says he'd love to have you here. Thinks you'd make a great
police chief, even though the cops would be more frightened of you than the
local hoods (then he laughed)
I heard one doofus on MSNBC the other night talk about how "nearly 60" GIs
have been killed since 01 May.
The truth is that 21 GIs have been killed in combat, mostly from ambush,
from 01 May through 30 June,
Another 29 have been killed by accidents or other causes (two drowned while
swimming in the Tigris).
The MSNBC idiot is the same jerk who reported on the air that "dozens of
GIs" were badly burned when two RPGs hit a truck belonging to an Engineer
Battalion that was parked by a construction site. The truck was hit and
burned, three GIs received minor injuries (including the driver who burnt
his hand) and three warriors of Allah were promptly sent to enjoy their 72
slave girls in Paradise. Hell of a way to get laid.
A mosque in that shithole Fallujah blew up this morning while the local
imam, a creep named Fahlil (who was one of the biggest local loudmouths
that frequently appeared on CNN) was helping a Syrian Hamas member teach
eight teenagers how to make belt bombs. Right away the local Feyhadeen
propaganda group started wailing that the Americans hit it with a TOW
missile (If they had there wouldn't have been any mosque left!) and the
usual suspects took to the streets for CNN and BBC. One fool was dragging
around a piece of tin with blood on it, claiming it was part of the
missile.
The cameras rolled and the idiot started repeating his story, then one of
my guys asked him in Arabic where he had left the rag he usually wore
around his face that made him look like a girl. He was a local leader of
the Feyhadeen. We took the clown in custody and were asked rather
indignantly by the twit from BBC if we were trying to shut up "the poor man
who had seen his mosque and friends blown up." I told the airy-fairy who
the raghead was and if he knew Arabic (which he obviously didn't) he'd know
he was a Palestinian. I suggested we take him down to the local jail and
we'd lock him and his cameraman in a cell with the "poor man" and they
could interview him until we took him to headquarters. They declined the
invitation. Guess what played on the Bullshit Broadcasting System that
evening? Did the Americans blow up a mosque? See the poor man who is still
in a state of shock over losing his mosque and relatives? Yep. Our friend
the Palestinian.
Our search and destroy missions are largely at night, free of reporters and
generally terrifying to those brave warriors of Allah.
The only thing that frightens them more is hearing the word "Gitmo". The
word is out that a trip to Guantanimo Bay is not a Caribbean vacation and
they usually start squealing like the little mice they are, when an
interrogator mentions "Gitmo".
No wonder the International Red Cross, the National Council of Churches and
the French keep protesting about the place. They know it has proven to be
very effective in keeping several hundred real fanatical psychopaths in
check and very frankly would rather see them cut loose to go kill some more
GIs or innocent Americans, just to make W. look bad.
We have about 200 really bad guys in custody now and probably will park
them in the desert behind a triple roll of razor wire, backed up by a
couple of Bradleys pointed their way, if they decide to riot. Maybe a few
will get to Gitmo but most are human garbage that wouldn't take on your
five-year old grandson face-to-face. The more we go after them and not
vice-versa I think we will see the sniper attacks go down. Yeah, they'll
get lucky now and then, but it's showtime, fellows.
Our first objective is to get the die-hards off the street (or make them
too scared to come out in them) and destroy their caches of weapons (we
have collected more than 227,000 AK-47s and that is only the tip of the
iceburg; Curly bought nearly a million of them from our pal Vladimir, then
cut off their money supply, mostly from Syria and Lebanon. We must continue
to get public services up and running, so the local families can get water,
sewage and garbage service; electricity, public transportation; oil fields
and refineries working and a dinar that won't halve in value every month.
It's going to be a long haul (remember it took 10-15 years in Japan and
West Germany) but if we don't stick with it, nobody else will, and we'll
have some other looney running the place again.
This place has greater potential than Saudi Arabia (bunch of goat-herders
who struck black gold) or Iran (weird dudes who can't run a rug bazaar much
less a major country).
Armageddon, here we come. Remember, it's located on the outskirts of
Jerusalem.
Enough of that cheery speculation. The good news is that General
Schoonmaker is going to appointed ChiefArmy and the old man is coming to
Tampa to run the SpOps desk at CentComm. He's tops and will be getting his
second star.
To me it means that SpOps will be more predominant in future operations and
after 18 years as a GB maybe I'll have a shot at a bird-level combat
command.
The old man asked me to come to MacDill and be his ACS but I told him after
I spent four months changing the diapers of the media types, I wanted to go
back to action. Hence, my current gig.
As the movie quoted old General Patton, "God help me, I love it." I do.
Nothing more satisfying than working with the BEST damn soldiers in the
world, flushing real human poop down the drain and giving some folks a
chance at trying freedom for a change.
They may learn to like it and then my great-great-grandson won't have to
worry about some maniac trying to destroy the planet.
My tour is over at the end of August, and I plan to return to Tampa, brief
the old man, then head to San Rafael and see my two sweethearts. I'd like
to visit my parents in Toronto and my brother in London, before taking on a
trip across the country. Just like any other family. It will charge my
batteries before I end up back in some other interesting and challenging
location. I hope to see most of you and ask for some advice, not support. I
know I've had that all along. Thanks.
Now about that Maker's Mark.
God Bless America
Mark.
P.S. A couple of you asked me about Curly and his two sons, Dumb and
Dumber. I still think we got him and one son, but the slugs may have gotten
away. If they are alive, I can't believe they are hanging around here. Even
Curly isn't that stupid .... then again. He might be in Syria or Lebanon.
If he is, he's too moronic to keep quiet, then we'll get him. I promise.

Dat is het verhaal van de overgrote meerderheid van de GI's in Irak. Maar zoals je zelf schreef, de pers laat alleen door wat haar anti-amerikanisme ten goede komt.

[dejohan]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mustapha

Vertaal is vriend
Heb niks voor niks 2de zit engels

Wel lees het toch maar, het is een goede oefening in US spreektaal. Das trouwens den beste tip om er door te zijn: lees een Engelse boek tijdens de pauze van uw blok (UK Engels, geen USA Engels), Harry Potter ofzo. En lees het uur voor uw examen ook wat Engelse artikels. Maakt niet uit wat, gewoon iets dat u interesseert, mag iets simpel zijn.

[TomB]

UK Engels, bestaat dat nog?

Een mooie column, ik betwijfel echter dat het een echte brief van een GI is. Er zouden meer van deze verhalen mogen doordringen in de Europese pers.

[Pinehole]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Een voorbeeld van 'selectief' begrijpen. Wij kennen reeds langer 'Ikke niks begrijp, ikke niks spreek nederlands'. Als het hen uitkomt natuurlijk.

Antoon,hoe laag kan je nu nog zinken na deze stompzinnige opmerking ?

[H. Guderian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pinehole

Antoon,hoe laag kan je nu nog zinken na deze stompzinnige opmerking ?

Antoon heeft gelijk!
vele van die vreemdelingen kennen zogezegd niet goed Nederlands maar als je "stommekloot" zou zeggen ertegen zouden ze het plots wel begrijpen.

[solidarnosc]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Dat is het verhaal van de overgrote meerderheid van de GI's in Irak. Maar zoals je zelf schreef, de pers laat alleen door wat haar anti-amerikanisme ten goede komt.

Niet belachelijk beginnen doen hé. Als zelfs zenders als Fox (zachte) kritische opmerkingen beginnen te maken over de situatie in Irak dan is het onozel om te zeggen dat de pers anti-Amerikaans zou zijn. Naar aanloop van de oorlog hebben ze zich mooi laten meeslepen door Pentagon en co en nu beginnen ze pas te beseffen dat ze gepakt zijn en dan heb je uiteraard de Democraten die bloed hebben geroken. Hoe weet jij trouwens wat de doorsnee GI denkt. Nu, ik weet het niet maar als er al beroepssoldaten openlijk voor de Amerikaanse camera's zeggen dat de heren Rumsfeld en Bush de echte klootzakken zijn (en daarmee hun carrière mogen vergeten) dan zegt dit toch al iets. Nu iedereen kan een slechte dag hebben.

[TomB]

Zo zacht zijn de opmerkingen van Fox niet hoor. Fox is gewoon slim: Tijdens de oorlog op het patriotisme inspelen, na de oorlog op de sensatiezucht

[C uit W]

Was er van de week geen onrust in het amerikaans leger in irak? Een staking of zo, ik heb zoiets gezien op bbc world, of ben ik de enige :s?

[Elle]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door H. Guderian

Antoon heeft gelijk!
vele van die vreemdelingen kennen zogezegd niet goed Nederlands maar als je "stommekloot" zou zeggen ertegen zouden ze het plots wel begrijpen.

Das just gudi, gij kent enorm veel vreemdelingen hé...... en stuk voor stuk heb je sterke banden met hen....

[H. Guderian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Elle

Das just gudi, gij kent enorm veel vreemdelingen hé...... en stuk voor stuk heb je sterke banden met hen....

Inderdaad!

[Elle]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door H. Guderian

Inderdaad!

Al goed dat ge ermee kunt lachen. Allez, ge kunt al zeggen da ge het af en toe indirect tegen een half-allochtoonse hebt....Informed consent...

[ferro]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door H. Guderian

Antoon heeft gelijk!
vele van die vreemdelingen kennen zogezegd niet goed Nederlands maar als je "stommekloot" zou zeggen ertegen zouden ze het plots wel begrijpen.

Woorden als "OCMW" en "uitkering" begrijpen ze ook prima.

[dejohan]

TomB,
Ik heb dit maar gekopieerd van een ander forum (chat-spot.com). Het kan dus best fake zijn. Gewoon uit interesse: waarom denk je dat dit niet echt is?
Ik ben het met je eens dat wij hier te weinig van die verhalen horen. Ik ben het niet eens met deze oorlog, maar ik vind niet dat men moet doen alsof deze oorlog enkel negatieve gevolgen heeft voor de Irakese bevolking.


Het is toch straf dat er weer een paar losers er in geslaagd zijn dit te herleiden tot de Belgische allochtonen. Bol af mannen, er zijn genoeg andere plaatsen hiervoor.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Elle

Al goed dat ge ermee kunt lachen. Allez, ge kunt al zeggen da ge het af en toe indirect tegen een half-allochtoonse hebt....Informed consent...

Vertaal die twee woorden eens even. Voor Mustapha.

[Jorge]

Goe bezig jongens, tsssss

Ik zal dan effe reageren op de tekst, die al dan niet "echt" is. Natuurlijk doen die GI's daar goeie zaken, 't zou maar erg zijn maar spijtig genoeg is de media nu veel geiler op zaken die fout lopen & worden deze uitvergroot...ergens logischs want moesten we bericht worden van alles wat naar wens loopt... u begrijpt waar ik heen wil.
Perfect voorbeeld van het geleverde werk is bvb dat de beide zonen van Saddam gedood zijn & zo ook hebben ze ook een slag toegebracht aan het verzet. Hopelijk krijgen ze de situatie zo snel mogelijk onder controle...maar ik vrees dat ze daar niet in zullen slagen zonder de VN.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jorge

Hopelijk krijgen ze de situatie zo snel mogelijk onder controle...maar ik vrees dat ze daar niet in zullen slagen zonder de VN.

Dat is ook niet de bedoeling. Van in het begin werd duidelijk gesteld dat de VN een rol moest spelen bij de heropbouw.

Op dit moment zijn er trouwens besprekingen om de VN stilaan te doen meewerken.