Mohammed Cartoons Controversy.

Letter To Sundry Editors of American Newspapers:

Dear sirs,

I have been reading & listening to all the (ig)noble
hemming/hawing about how American newspapers prefer to
describe the Mohammed cartoons in text rather than
actually showing the American public what all the fuss
is about "because" American newspapers are not willing
to insult "a large segment" of the public by actually
publishing these amazingly mild cartoons:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.htm

And I have to say: I have never seen or heard
such utter/shameless cowardice crouched in a
smellier/bigger load of bull in all my life!

This from editors who think nothing of dishing
out horrific images of cadavers & gore, who
routinely publish the names & faces of people
accused but not yet convicted of a crime, and
who think nothing of showing us pictures of
children killed by drunk drivers, or even those
raped, tortured & murdered by child molesters!
Is it they really think such things offend no one?

This story is one of the most important stories of
the day, and yet what American newspaper (in fact,
what American media) DARES to cover it--to fully
inform the public about it, which is what that means:
To "fully cover it" DEMANDS the complete publication
of the Mohammed cartoons so everybody can form
their own independent opinion about them: Which is
why this is the critical story of freedom of the press
in our time, here, in the course of Western
civilization.

Yet, no: The reason the Mohammed cartoons are not
being published by American newspapers is because
the American newspaper editors are cowards, pure &
simple... not moral cowards or cowards of conscience
but plain ole scared to death for their own skin
cowards--Could there be a more startling indictment
both of them AND of the forces that terrorize them so?

But, by God, there should be some ONE in the
breadth/length of American journalism willing to admit
at least that much! But, is there?

Apparently not: Islamists have succeeded where all
the other forces of repression have failed. And now
freedom of expression here is only to be had when
everybody agrees to it, NOT when we really need it
regardless of who it may embarrass or offend and
its manifestation is the only thing that stands
between us and universal subjugation--and certainly
only when no newspaper man/woman has to take (not
a symbolic but) an actual, truly courageous stand.

Freedom of expression is the singular instrument
most instrumental to our freedom. It is the beginning
and the end: And if ever we become so timorous to
exercise it that we censor our own selves even before
we are condemned and/or persecuted for it by those who
are offended or embarrassed by its exercise then God
help all we have ever achieved in all the thousands of
years of civilization!

I hope you read my post on Islam which is located at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...4d0a0b4924bebc

Please do follow the links provided in that article
reposted below. And then think about whether you have
the courage to confront the truth wherever it may
lead. Because it is the truth, and not all our guns,
that keeps evil at bay.

Sincerely,

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

RE:

"serwad" <[email protected]> was shopping for crap
(at Le Crap Market), when he stopped to ask some kid
who was, mop in hand, coming out of the bathroom:

>"SDR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Dear Jim,
>> You are about to see the PLO (Fatah) come back
>> BIG TIME. Why? Because the ONLY alternatives to
>> secular military dictatorships in Muslim countries
>> are the Islamic movements. And their universal
>> agenda is WAR with non-Muslims.

> Where did you get that crap from?

I got it wholesale from the Islamic world: Everybody
there boasts of it. Their holy books call for it (and
because Muslims are not free to be or not to be
Muslims ON PAIN OF DEATH), no matter what a Muslim
may say to a non-Muslim (NOTE: the Koran admonishes
Muslims never to permit non-Muslins to read it
because... it is a plan for the military conquest of
all non-Muslims--Surprise!)... it is the mantra they
are taught from DAY ONE: That non-Muslims are
THE ENEMY ... not to be pitied as Christians think of
non-Christians, or to be loved as some Indian sects
admonish, but to be SLAUGHTERED (unless they convert,
of course, and join them in the hunt of non-Muslims).

And, pray tell, what does one do with THE ENEMY?

Well, the Koran is very specific about this (because
it assumes Muslims will have been turned into
brainless morons by their religion): Slaughter them
if they do not convert (except for Jews and Christians
who are "permitted" to live if they pay a tax (which
is, a ransom--"blackmail" is such a nasty word) of
between 30 to 90 percent annually, as specified in
Sharia (Islamic law)). This is why the European
Imperialists still found some handful of impoverished
Jews and Christians in Islamic countries when they
were competing for empire.

Moronover, [sic] the Koran also specifies that Muslims
are to slaughter non-Muslims ONLY as long as they are
more powerful militarily (which is why the large and
ancient Jewish communities Mohammed found in Mecca
and in Medina he slaughtered so brutally that even his
butchering followers admonished him on it and he
relented, agreeing to not slaughter any child that did
not yet have pubic hair but instead forcing the lad to
become a Muslim.

However, the Koran (the plan composed and set down in
writing by Mu hammed) insists: If THE ENEMY is
militarily stronger than you, then agree to any
convenient truce while you strengthen yourself (which
is why Hamas is asking Israel for an "extended truce"
and why Iran is asking The Stoopid West for continued
& continued & continued negotiations and continued
diplomacy--because they are following the plan ...
that is, the Koran, which if any of the idiots who
rule Europe and America would simply READ everything
would be revealed to even their idiotic eyes--but, you
couldn't get George Bush to read a "Dick & Jane" first
reader, let along the fucking Koran).

> Which muslim country has occupied a non
> muslim country?

ALL countries now Islamic (with the exception of
Indonesia and environs, which were convinced to become
Muslim by mullahs who, after Krakatoa exploded told
them it was God's punishment for not being Muslims,
and the poor saps bought it--and, once Muslim, Muslims
make sure you don't go back with very specific laws
that if any Muslims changes his religion he/she is to
be SLAUGHTERED by anybody at hand including his/her
children or parents)... ALL countries now Muslim were
conquered by their Muslim neighbors: ALL, except India
which, after the greatest carnage/genocide in human
history (with some places in India/Pakistan/
Afghanistan & environs boasting of as many as 85
million non-Muslims butchered)... proved too large:
After the slaughter of 100s of millions of Hindus and
other poor souls who were all basically peacefully
resigned philosophically/religiously to whatever fate
the world has to offer... rose up and again became
belligerent enough to fight back and stop the Islamic
slaughter/genocide before the British showed up there.

.... are you beginning to gleam why SLAUGHTER is a
quality/condition so inseparable from Muslims/Islam?

If not, then perhaps you should do a little research
on all of this (provided, of course, you have already
gone thought that "Dick & Jane" first reader):

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...e=source&hl=en

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...+Packard+Islam
from:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...7695a8378e5591

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...enian_Genocide

http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_bi...ion/maths.html

http://answering-islam.org/index.html

Or, you could do a little research for yourself.

Or just simply read The Koran:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin...ublic&part=all


And some of the controversies about it:
http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm

Then, when you watch Muslims on your TV
lying through their teeth to the American public
you at least will know enough to laugh (or cry
when you note that no one will challenge their
outrageous/deadly lies).

BEGIN QUOTE:

[email protected] (sifu) wrote:
> Is that why the Jews enoyed the hositality of the Islamic states in
> Spain for 800 years and also in Jerusalem. You have quoted many ayats.
> However YOU are NOT a scholar of Islam. You have not read the letter
> signed by Hadrat Umar Ibn al Kathab, the second Caliph of Islam who,
> based on the teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad sallah alaiwassalam,
> let ALL people go about their faith and business as usual.

Nor have I read Caliph el Loko's
call for muslims to embrace love and
compassion for all non-muslims. But
I'm sure it exists--So what? In what
way does it help the victim of a murder
that the whole world love him but
one?!?! It's futile for me to point out
to you, sir, that it is not the
Koran's calls for love and peace that
have butchered 100s of millions of
human beings in the course of the
Islamic genocide against non-muslims
(which is going on to this day, as there
are tribes in Kashmere which are
on the brink of extinction at the hands
of the muslims)... it is the
Koran's calls for terrorism and genocide
that have moved the "pious Muslims" to
those inhuman actions.

The Koran may be mere words, sir. But
what cannot be AND OUGHT NEVER be
ignored is the fact that no muslim will
condemn even the most egregiously
barbaric and savage portions of the
Koran! (Some of which you can read
for yourself at the end of this post.)
Will you? No you will not. You
will instead cite those utterly irrelevant
calls for love and the brotherhood
of men which have never caused anybody
any trouble in the whole sorry
history of Islam's existence. The true
terror of Islam is indeed in the
terror of even the most decent-minded
muslim to stand up for decency. That
says all there is to say about the nature
of Islam, sir. And no one need be
any sort of scholar to understand that
gut-real truth.

> While Europe was living in the Dark Ages in mud
> huts Cordoba, the Capital of Muslim Spain the citizens were living in
> a city with street lighting, sewage systems, and warm water. The first
> university in Europe was made by Muslims in Andalucia.

No doubt, no doubt it must have
been Paradise on earth... living under
the muslims in Spain. So all the more
perplexing then that the Spaniards
themselves invested 500 brutal bloody
years of revolution and war to rid
themselves of their muslim benefactors,
eh?! Me, I don't even put up an
argument if my pizza is delivered
cold and gummy.

> People who
> wanted to learn about science had to know Arabic because the Muslims
> were the most highly educated. They made great advances in science, in
> medicine, in astrology, physics, maths, recovered and translated the
> knowledge of the Romans and Greeks which had been destroyed by the
> Europeans.

What a croc, sir! That is one of the
most gigantic "big lies" of history:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...7695a8378e5591

For your edification ALL that so-called
"Islamic" science is Greek science.
The fall of the Roman Empire and the
overrun of Europe by barbarians broke
the thread of history there, and the
muslims' only (real) contribution is
that somehow they managed to avoid
using what remained of ancient greek
civilization as firewood. Check your
history again and you will discover
that there was no significant advance
in science since the fall of the Roman
empire and the renaissance (even
almost unto the rise of the British one
and the subsequent beginnings of the
Industrial Revolution, yesterday).

What muslim "scholars" added (mostly
in practical medicine, because of
their lack of scruples about cutting up
people, living or dead) can be
summed up in the same manner one
sums up their great Islamic achievements
in architecture: They copied, sir, they
copied. The Arab muslims were utterly
illiterate barbarians just out of the
desert, and their only original
achievement is the camel. Throughout
the Islamic conquest, what the Islamic
barbarians did not destroy (the same
way they recently destroyed the great
Buddahs in Afghanistan), they shamelessly
converted into Islamic mosque (like
the Hagia Sophia Church in Constantinople,
now a mosque) after which you saw
the sprouting of "similar" mosques
elsewhere. Even the great Taj Mahal in India
is really an ancient Hindu temple to Shiva
which the muslims have desecrated
just as they desecrated every Christian
Church they got hold of, and even the
holiest ground in the promised land, the
Temple of The Lord at Jerusalem
originally built by Solomon. ALL the
wealth muslims have ever owned they
have stolen from the people who originated
that wealth until the coming of
petroleum. And ALL the splendor of
Islamic "civilization" has been the enjoyment
by the muslims of all they managed to steal
from their rightful owners. They
are, have always been, and ever will be
ignorant and blind to true civilization
as long as they are under the unforgiving
psychological enslavement of Islam.
Once the petroleum runs out, the Arabs
will be swallowed up by their brutal
culture right back into the desert from
which they came, for, until the coming
of petroleum there NEVER was a single
moment in all of Islamic history when
their "greatness" was not stolen from
somebody else... no matter what any
Hollywood movie says. SEE:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html

> In Islam a person is only allowed to attack a soldier and not
> civilians.

Well, you should tell that to the
massacred at the twin towers. You
should tell that to the 300,000
Arminiam massacred. You should tell that
to the countless millions and millions
of Hindus and others massacred
by the muslims. I'm sure it will make
them rest better in their graves,
all those women and children soldiers.

http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html

> Your knowledge of Islam is futile.

My knowledge of Islam is enough. My
knowledge of muslims and their crimes
is already too much to bear. I wish the
world had never heard of the
bastards. And I am certain I am not
the only one who wishes that. And I,
for one, do not need to know the
color of my murderer's underwear.
I know this:

If Islam is the ultimate major
source of terrorism in today's
world, and it absolutely is (or
just take the Islamic terrorists
themselves at their word when
they all cite the Koran as their
marching orders)... then it's better
that the whole world start
looking into the reason why Islam
is the greatest source of evil
in the world, instead of pretending
its sulfuring festering
open wound is a lovely blue pool
from which "for some inexplicable
reason" pus seems to be oozing
from it on a regular basis: For
centuries the world thought
disease was caused by magic, and it
was not until the world finally
confronted the real cause of
disease that the world has finally
begun to control pestilence.

I tell you this: Not until Islamic
"scholars" themselves begin to
confront the evil of Islam will that
evil begin to come under
control. And it's for the benefit of
muslims themselves that this
ought to be done, for the Islamic
world is STILL in the grips of a
savage and brutal dark ages which
far surpasses the European Dark
Ages which the West put behind it
CENTURIES AGO. The saving grace
of the Christian world has, ever
since the European Dark Ages, been
that there are so many Christian
sects (preventing any one of them
from brainwashing Europeans with
a lot of religious gibberish). And
what the Islamic world is in dire
need of is its own Martin Luthers
to demand a frank and open discussion
among muslims of those portions
of the Koran which are self-evidently
more Satanic than sacred:

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe.

I will cast terror into
the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their
heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Meaning, pure and simple, and
without any apologies: Terrorize non-muslims
to your heart's delight. Make it as
gruesome as you care to make it. And
throughout the history of the Islamic
conquest... it has been spectacularly
gruesome, as uncounted millions of
innocents have been butchered, not by
a handful of renegade fundamentalists,
but by the full power of the muslim
states and potentates. And now you
might be starting to get an inkling of
the desperation with which the muslim-
besieged Christian communities of the
holy land begged help from their
European brethren before the coming of the
historical first crusades.

Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Who among you can really believe
that a pious person can trust that
what his "bible" says is true, and yet
that he can somehow ignore the
command (above)... without
doubting his faith and commitment?! It is
no coincidence that the terrorists
involved in the September 11 massacre
are all reported by their family and
neighbors as being exceptionally
pious and devoted believers, "quiet
and honest" persons who spent their
days in meditation at the local mosques.
It's such a universal picture
of them that the FBI could have
predicted which muslims would turn the
deadliest terrorists just from seeing
which of them proved the most pious
and quiet and devoted, honest and
full of Islamic humility and gentility.

Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they
do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf
except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

The above verse from the Koran
explicitly orders that muslims respect
the lives and properties ONLY of
muslims (those who "testify," or "Allah's
Witnesses," so to speak). This implies
one truly monstrous suggestion...
that the lives and properties of non-
muslims are forfeit de facto. And
throughout history muslim conquerors
and criminals have reaped untold
treasures from non-muslims, no less
than millions and millions of innocent
lives whose sole "crime" was that they
lived within reach of muslims and
owned properties worth stealing even
at the cost of all their lives.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,
until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in
a state of subjection.

The Koran does not say, "Jews and
Christians are your equal, so respect
and honor them as equal." Instead it
explicitly says (above) that they (the
Jews and the Christians) are to be
forced to acknowledge the superiority
of Islam and that they (Jews and
Christians) are in a state of subjection.
Need anyone say anything more on
why it is that the Saudis and others will
only permit near them non-muslims
who are willing to give their lives to
save theirs? Need anyone explain why
Israel will NEVER have borders which
are secured by international or local treaties?

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with
those who guard (against evil).

It is a religious duty for all pious
muslims to fight their non-muslim
neighbors. And it is only the secular
Islamic tyrants who have suppressed
this religious duty, in Turkey, Egypt,
Pakistan, and the rest of them (all
the dear friends and allies of George
Bush and company). But how long do
you imagine dictators of any sort last?
Do you really believe that the
"aspirations" of native populations can
be denied for ever? Well, that's
what the West has staked its future on!

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this
world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah,
then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty
reward.

What general would not wish to
command men pious enough to believe what
their "bible" tells them (above)... that
if they die in the battle (and
what muslim general fights a battle
which isn't "in the way of Allah?!")
they shall be rewarded in the afterlife
for their count of enemy corpses?!

From the Sunnah of the Prophet (the "other leg" of the Koran):
[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight
and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem

Since time immemorial muslims have
been urged by verses like the one
above into merciless acts of terror
against non-muslims. And frankly
today's Islamic acts of terror pale in
comparison with historical ones
in which literally MILLIONS of non-
muslims were slaughtered wholesale
and their lands and properties looted
as the reward for the murderers.
Even the bloody Twentieth Century
began with the muslim genocide of
the Armenian christians at the hands
of the muslim Turks.

Want to know more? SEE:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

I know there are those of you out there
who will scoff, asserting that
nobody "here" takes the Bible seriously
now. That's true. Nobody NOW, in
today's Western secular humanistic world
takes the Bible seriously (outside
a few pathetic christian fundamentalists),
but back in the European Dark
Ages... who did not take the Bible to be
absolutely and literally the
sacred word and holy commands of
God? Well, the point IS that the Islamic
world is NOT a secular humanistic one
but one which is STILL as deeply mired
in its Dark Ages as the West was
centuries ago during its own Dark Ages.
It was nothing back then for Europeans
to burn innocent lonely old ladies
as witches, and it's nothing today for
even the most "respectable" and
"decent and honest" and "most admired
(by the West)" muslims to stone people
to death, to cut off the hands of bicycle
thieves, and to carry out every
other sort of unimaginably unspeakable
barbarities as the "brightest light
of Islamic civilization" muslims can cite.
The fact that the Egyptian and
Turkish dictators do not do this is
"proof" in the eyes of their more pious
native populations that they are
corrupt puppets of the infidel West.

It is not some secular stubborn gang
of diehards that simply refuse
to accept peace with Israel... it is
the explicit demands written in
the Koran which demand the removal
of non-muslims from the Hebrews's
promised land, as well as explicitly
calling for terrorism against
non-muslims: THAT is never going
to be "fixed" by ignoring that such
facts are real! These "sacred" demands
are part of the muslim believers'
core of religious duty, and they shall
remain there as they have
remained to this day. And what does
it matter if a few opportunists
and criminals like the dictators who
have seized power in so many
Islamic countries have the ability to
keep their states from obeying
the dictums of the Koran? Eventually
they will be overthrown by pious
muslims who, like Khomenei in Iran
will immediately order their states
into massive religious wars... as they
are explicitly commanded to do
in the Koran (which see) be they cold
or hot wars. And the West is
being foolish to the core in arming
the armies of these secular tyrants

[The Iraq today George W. Bush is actually
arming the very army American will eventually
have to fight! Yes: The Iraqi Army is already
in the hands of Shi'ite militia people who have
expressedly sworn that they are ready to join
the Iranian Army in its war against America. What
George Bush is still doing in Iraq I don't know!]

(in the vain hope perhaps that they
can prevent their own native Islamic
populations from establishing Islamic
republics maybe?), ultimately only
to see such Islamic republics use
those very same West-supplied weapons
turned against them, or simply against
innocent populations whose sole
"crime" is that they happen to be the
muslims' closest neighbors.

That, the West's self-defeating attitude
in dealing with muslim states
and muslim populations, no less than
their chevalier attitude with regard
to its (the West's) dependence on
Gulf petroleum... has mitigated the
muslim world's inability to compete
in the modern world. For the muslim
world can never escape its Dark Ages
on its own: Modernity is the direct
result of the free flow of information,
and Islam depends for its survival
on maintaining muslim populations
ignorant of just how bad they have it.
This absolute incompatibility between
modernity and Islam will (the minute
the oil runs out) throw the Arabs back
into the REAL dark ages again (it
shall be, for muslims, like waking from
a glimpse of Paradise, and finding
themselves once again in Hell): And
the only thing the West really has
anything to worry about is the possibility
that nuclear technology has not
been sold to muslims with dark ages
mentalities and frames of mind. Ooops,
too late: Pakistan, remember? And,
perhaps Iran as well... who knows?

> The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand
> and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.

I tend to believe the testimony
of millions of the victims
of Islamic conquest and genocide.
I tend to believe the Koran
when it itself says:

1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy
Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): "I am with you: give
firmness to the believers, I will
instill terror into the hearts of
the unbelievers, Smite ye above
their necks and smite all their
finger tips of them."

In the above verse the great
prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving
step by step instructions on how
to torture and kill the unbelievers
if they don't follow Islam. He is
clearly instructing Muslims to
commit cold-blooded murder
in the name of religion.

2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is
ordained for you, though it is hateful
unto you; but it may happen that
you hate a thing which is good
for you and it may happen that
you love a thing which is bad for
you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by
Mohammed after his first terrorist
attack. He and his followers
mercilessly massacred four innocent
and unarmed merchants at Nakhla
in 623 AD. The massacre came in
January, the sacred month of Rejeb.
Arabs regard this month as a
sacred month, when warfare and
violence is forbidden. Since this
barbaric criminal act was led and
sanctioned by the "great" prophet
Mohammed, we can conclude that
Islam's sacred activities include
loot and cold-blooded murder of
innocent individuals. The very
beginnings of Islam are stained
with the blood of innocents.

By stating the above verse,
Mohammed completely absolved himself
from all blame for having murdered
innocents. The most insidious
and devilish implication of this
verse is that God is completely
justifying Mohammed’s murder of
the innocent Meccans. The import
of this verse is that killing and
violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims,
because they are doing it by divine
ordinance! It is a religious
duty of every Muslim to murder
anyone who comes in the way of
Islam. Since it is also the duty of
every Muslim to ensure that
the entire world is converted to
Islam by force if necessary, one
must directly conclude that it is
the religious duty of Muslims to
kill all those who are non-Muslim.
This conclusion is derived
directly from the supreme edict of
Allah, who admonishes that even
the Muslim who feels it is wrong
to kill, must murder in the name
of Allah, otherwise he is not a true
Muslim. Over and above this,
Mohammed is hypocritically implying
that warfare is hateful to him,
but he participated in it because
God ordained it.

3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for
any Prophet to have captives
until he hath made slaughter in
the land. You desire the lure of this
world and Allah desires for you
the hereafter and Allah is Mighty,
Wise.. Now enjoy what you have
won as lawful and good and keep your
duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving,
merciful."

This verse is in reference to the
prisoners that Mohammed held for
ransom after the battle of Badr.
This battle occurred on March 17,
623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan
—another sacred month for the
Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed
and his followers killed at
least 70 innocent merchants from
the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and
slaughtered several hundred soldiers
who came forward to defend them.

Here God the "Merciful" is saying
that all the non-believers deserve
to be killed! In addition, God is
conveniently commenting that whatever
loot Mohammed has plundered is
"lawful and good" because it was done
in service to God. So murder, rape,
plunder and destruction are
all perfectly legal with the Muslim
God as long as they are done in
the name of Islam! Mohammed is
also insidiously making himself seem
very kind for having spared the
lives of the prisoners, when in fact
he only let them live so he could
ransom their lives for more money.
In today’s world this is called
"taking hostages" and defines
"Terrorism" of the worst kind.

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said)
Take him and fetter him and
expose him to hell fire. And then
insert him in a chain whereof
the length is seventy cubits. Lo!
he used not to believe in God
the tremendous, and urged not
on the feeding of the wretched.
Therefore hath he no lover hear
this day nor any food save filth
which none but sinners eat."

The above verses from the Koran
prove that Muslims are specifically
instructed not to tolerate unbelievers.
It directly states that
people who do not believe in
Mohammed and the Islamic God are to
be tortured and murdered.. Not
only does this verse clearly implicate
that unbelievers must be tortured
and killed, it goes on further to
state prescribed methods for
committing torture. The horrific acts
mentioned above are in practice
even today in Islamic countries. In
fact, in India, Muslims tortured
the Sikh Gurus and their families
exactly as prescribed by the Koran.
For example, the Sikh guru Tegh
Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage
like a wild animal, when he refused
to forsake his religion for Islam.
Three of his disciples were
murdered in front of his eyes. One
of them was Bhai Mati Das. He
was sawed alive into little pieces.
The other was wrapped up in
cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala,
the third one, was boiled alive
in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur
himself was brutally tortured and
killed in a similar fashion. One
wonders at the mercy of "The all
beneficent Allah" who enjoys
watching the roasted burnt flesh of
hapless innocents falling off their bones.

5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only
reward of those who make war
upon Allah and His messenger
and strive after corruption in
the land will be that they will be
killed or crucified, or
have their hands and feet and
alternate sides cut off, or
will be expelled out of the land.
Such will be their degradation
in the world, and in the Hereafter
theirs will be an awful doom;
Save those who repent before ye
overpower them. For know that
Allah is forgiving, merciful."

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These
twain (the believers and the
disbelievers) are two opponents
who contend concerning their
Lord. But as for those who
disbelieve, garments of fire will be
cut out for them, boiling fluid
will be poured down their heads.
Whereby that which is in their
bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them
are hooked rods of iron. Whenever,
in their anguish, they would go
forth from thence they are driven
back therein and (it is said unto
them): Taste the doom of burning."

7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have
prepared for disbelievers chains,
yokes and a blazing fire."

The above verses clearly state
extreme terrorist activities, as
they contain nothing but detailed
recipes of horrific torture.
Cutting off the hands and feet of
individuals and then making
them walk and jump, pouring
boiling waters over their victims,
making them drink it, burning them
alive, inserting hot iron
rods into their bodies, dismemberment
and disembowelment, genital
mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices.

Koran 17:16-17 When we decide
to destroy a population, we send
a definite order to them who have
the good things in life and
yet transgress; so that Allah's word
is proved true against them:
then we destroy them utterly. How
many generations have we
destroyed after Noah? And enough
is thy Lord to note and see
the Sins of his servants

Here Allah, the God of the Muslims
is clearly stating the exact
method that he adopts when he commits
genocide of an entire POPULATION.
And why does Allah decide to destroy
entire populations? Simply because
they don't believe in Allah and so
Allah will kill them all, to take
revenge. Next Allah is indulging in
an unbelievable display of conceit.
He is actually BOASTING about how
many generations he has destroyed
after Noah. If Allah had a list of his
merits, no doubt genocide of
numerous generations of people
would top his list. Allah enjoys
watching the annhilation of thousands
of Non-Muslims at the hands of
his pious followers, the Muslims.

Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may
seperate the impure from the pure,
Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim),
one on top of the another in
a Heap and cast them into Hell. They
will be the ones to have lost

The "All-Merciful Allah" is now
specifically instructing all "peace-
loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain
of corpses of the non believers.
Of course, in order to do this holy
task for Allah, the Muslim must
first go out and attack innocent Non-
Muslims and massacre them so
that Allah's wishes are fulfilled. Allah
seems to have an inexhaustible
thirst for the blood of innocents. Note
that the reason given to
massacre non-believers is that
"Allah may seperate the Impure from
the Pure". It has nothing to do with
self-defense or protection as
Muslims try to argue. The explicit
purpose for this heinous crime
is so that Allah can easily differentiate
between the Muslims and
Non-Muslims. This way it becomes
a lot easier for Allah and his
angelic helpers to dump the heaps
of murdered Non-Muslims into Hellfire.

Koran 21:11 How many were the
populations we utterly destroyed because
of their inequities, setting up in
their place other peoples

Again Allah is boasting about his
amazing exploits such as genocide
and displacement of innocent people.
The justification for this crime
is that these innocent people had
"inequities". Apparently any
community which is not Muslim is
full of inequities by Islamic
definition and therefore fair game
for all pious Muslims to massacre
and plunder.

Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims)
hearts is a disease; and Allah
has increased their disease and
grievous is the penalty they will
incur, because they are false.

So Allah not only exhorts Muslims
to kill all the non-believers, he
also strikes down the surviving
ones with disease and pain. Any good
Muslim must surely carry out their
beloved Allah's word. In fact
Allah's word seems to be very much
in effect in today's world. This
is why one sees pious, Allah-loving
Muslims like Saddam Hussain nursing
factories that make weapons of
biological and chemical warfare. Saddam
is complying perfectly with Allah's
wishes to the letter when he
manufactures strains of deadly
viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting
non-believers like the Israelis and
Americans. He has secured a place
in Islamic "Jannat" (Paradise) for
himself by following Allah's orders
so religiously.

Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah
and His Messenger will be crumbled
to dust, as were those before them:
for we have already sent down
Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will
have a humiliating Penalty

Those who resist Allah and His
Messenger" obviously refers to anyone
who is not a Muslim. Therefore
every Non-Muslim must be crushed to
death by the holy edict of Allah.
No doubt it was this very verse which
must have served as a motivation
for those pious Muslims who bombed
the World Trade Center. Allah must
have been extremely pleased to watch
all those innocent Non-Muslims
being crumbled to death.

Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of
Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful.
Like molten brass it will boil in their
insides, Like the boiling of
scalding water Seize Ye Him and
drag him into the midst of the blazing
Fire Then pour over his head the
penalty of Boiling Water

Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith
(Islam) and belie our signs, They
shall be Companions of the Fire
and abide in it.

Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah
is on those without faith (in Islam)
Thus have they drawn wrath upon
wrath on themselves and humiliating
is the punishment of those who
reject faith (Islam)

Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those
who oppose Allah and his messenger
is: Execution or Crucifixion or
the cutting off of hands and feet
from opposite sides or exile from the land

Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat
will be produced out of the wealth in
the Fire of Hell, and with it will be
branded their foreheads, their
sides and their backs- "This is
the treasure that ye buried for
yourselves, taste ye then the
treasures that ye buried."

If you do happen to pick up that
copy of the Koran as I mentioned,
don't expect your fate to improve,
unless you become a Muslim. Allah
doesn't want Non-believers to
understand the Koran. This is quite
understandable on Allah's part,
because any self-respecting human
being who reads the Koran will
be revolted at the violence and
sadism espoused in it. Is it any
wonder that Muslims don't want
Non-Muslims to read or discuss
any part of the Koran? They are
afraid, that anyone who reads it
will soon realise the true nature
of Islam, which is genocide
sanctioned by religion. Here
Allah explains
that Non-Muslims will never be
allowed to understand the Koran:

Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings
over their hearts and minds, lest
they should understand the Koran,
and we put deafness in their ears;
when you commemorate your Lord
(Allah) and Him alone in the Koran

If a Non-Muslim cannot understand
the Koran, how is he/she expected
to convert to Islam on their own
accord? This is obviously an admission
on Allah's part that people can be
converted to Islam only by violent
force, because he has ensured that
they cannot understand it via reading
the Koran. For any Non-Muslim to
understand the Koran would be absolutely
counterproductive to Islam. Muslims
have hidden the truth from Non-Muslims
for ages. It is a fact that the available
English translations of the
Koran do not contain many of the
original Arabic Verses. Many particular
verses were edited and changed
by Muslims, because they were just too
violent and explicitly revealed
the brutal and barbaric nature of Islam.

The Koran is a psychological
manual that incites hatred and violence in
the reader. It was specifically
designed for this very purpose, so that
the Prophet Mohammed could
carry on his tradition of Genocide and
Terrorism, long after his death.
The entire recorded history of Muslims
is a testament to this fact.

Note: The Meaning of the Holy Quran
by Abdullah Yusuf Ali has been
used to compose this article. From:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

END QUOTE

> You are stupid!

Yes, I am that. And embarrassingly asocial too.
And impatient with all my fellow stupid monkeys.
And always eager to enlighten them. Therefore,
let me assure you:

Evil has never gone away on its own. Unconfronted,
Islam will continue to spew terrorism and genocide
into a world unwilling and/or unable to face up to
Islam's insidious and unrepentant evil. Civilization
is whistling past [its] grave when it pretends that
Islam is a religion like the other (real) religions.

But think: The thing about religious fanatics is that
THEY NEVER GO AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS TEXTS.

All anybody has to do is but read THOSE TEXTS
and he/she will know what Hamas and Iran are planning
to do... step by step by step by step: They CAN NOT
subvert in the slightest the plan laid down in/as their
religious texts: Learn the texts and you have learned
their plan. And then you will be invulnerable to the
lies THE TEXT commands Muslims to tell non-Muslims
and the stratagems they are allowed and not allowed
to follow in their compliance with their plans' deadly
demands. And, before it's tooo late.

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

Other quotes:

> Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932.
>
> It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the
> great Prophet of Arabia, who knew how he taught and how he lived, to
> feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great
> messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall
> say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel,
> whenever I reread them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of
> reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.

I wonder what Anne would have said of these works by the "great
Prophet of Arabia" ....

1. Lets start with the "great" Mohammed himself, the founder of this
"fabulous" faith. Mohammed was married to Khadija Bibi, his employer
and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He
was Khadija Bibi's third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she
married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed
a luxurious life.

This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer
so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's work.

2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages
of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.

This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women
were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least
11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite.
Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet.

3. Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when
she was married to him.

Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only
a womanizer but also a child molester.

4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of
Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty
of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire.
The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and
yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor."

Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to
marry his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great"
prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-
in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws!

Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the
following verses from Quran and Hadiths.

Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women

II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to
your tilth as ye will...

IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one
of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion,
admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness
....confine them until death claims them.

IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish
them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah
is forgiving and merciful.

As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable
by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by
the all merciful Allah.

XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses
except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies
....

from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS
If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right
to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody
to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right
to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)

It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband
when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)

Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)

>
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> K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989
>
> My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not
> generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time
> need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The
> theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any
> quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that there is no
> compulsion in religion is well known.

Rao must have lived in some other dimension (I would
probably propose the Bizarro dimension.)

> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’
> Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.
>
> "No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has
> widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the
> sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an
> is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience."

Probably the millions of Indians who once were Hindus and were
butchered all committed suicide and blamed it on the muslims.
The Armenians who were butched by the muslim Turns were probable
suicides as well (I believe that's what the Turks say to this day).

> "Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570
> into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was
> always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and
> the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a
> successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for
> a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing
> his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older,
> he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband."

Listen to this astonishing spin and then read the naked facts of
Muhammad's life! I mean, these people have no shame what so ever!

Continuing to quote this disgusting lies is beyond my patience.
Rather, simply read for yourself the words of the Koran and judge:

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his
lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the
promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his
followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed
is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage
and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can
conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable
sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that,
the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their
husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all
merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands
deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs
shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for
companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as
chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.
(beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To
dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn
will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord
will you deny ?"

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the
promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no
limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on
display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired
ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise
a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist
of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have
intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic
conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised
them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot,
rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded"
by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome)
as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered
pearls.

WINE Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young
boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without
rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious
commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find
vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in
his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when
Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this
was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not
intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine
by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are
promised. In it are...rivers of wine...

Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,
....they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white
and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses
nor befuddle them.

Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and
there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a
cup of purest wine:

Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon
soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall
mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink,
securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk...

*********************

From The New York Times' THE JIHAD FILES published
March 18, 2002

.... One document (from al-Qaida training manuals
discovered in Afghanistan) began with an explanation
of the instructor's goals:

"God Almighty has ordered us to terrorize his
enemies," it reads. "In compliance with God's order
and his Prophet's order, in an attempt to get out of
the humiliation in which we have found ourselves, we
shall propose to those who are keen on justice,
fighting against those who oppose them and those who
diminish them until they receive fresh orders from
God. To those alone, we present: `Rudimentary Methods
in the Manufacturing of Explosive Materials Effective
for Demolition Purposes.' "

This is quite true, and NOT a "lie" by Islamic
fundamentalists, since the Koran does specifically say
as much. And which, if you were smart, you'd
READ FOR YOURSELF.

"S D Rodrian" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
> Letter To Sundry Editors of American Newspapers:
>
> Dear sirs,
>
> I have been reading & listening to all the (ig)noble
> hemming/hawing about how American newspapers prefer to
> describe the Mohammed cartoons in text rather than
> actually showing the American public what all the fuss
> is about "because" American newspapers are not willing
> to insult "a large segment" of the public by actually
> publishing these amazingly mild cartoons:
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.htm

Thank you for your support to the Danish freedom fighters as we have begun
to call them now.

Regards
Carsten Overgaard
http://www.center-validering.dk/aboutdenmark.htm

C. Overgaard wrote:
> "S D Rodrian" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>> Letter To Sundry Editors of American Newspapers:
>>
>> Dear sirs,
>>
>> I have been reading & listening to all the (ig)noble
>> hemming/hawing about how American newspapers prefer to
>> describe the Mohammed cartoons in text rather than
>> actually showing the American public what all the fuss
>> is about "because" American newspapers are not willing
>> to insult "a large segment" of the public by actually
>> publishing these amazingly mild cartoons:
>>
>> http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.htm
>
> Thank you for your support to the Danish freedom fighters as we have
> begun to call them now.

You have my support too, this is a question of principle on which we
must not cede. However I find that this view is shared by many who I
would otherwise prefer not to be bedfellows with, those who hate Islam
and Muslims full stop, which is absolutely not the case for me. But I'll
just have to put up with it for the time it takes, we should not move on
this.

Below are the corrected links, which for some reason
did not copy correctly (obviously):

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...e=source&hl=en

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...+Packard+Islam
from:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...7695a8378e5591

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...enian_Genocide

http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_bi...ion/maths.html

http://answering-islam.org/index.html


S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

"manny pacman" <[email protected]> -
apparently not knowing (having ignorance of) the
European traditions of butchering its priests and
raping its nuns (French Revolution), asked:

> how would some xtians react if someone printed a drawing
> of jesus fornicating with mary magdalene?

I believe there is a serious tradition concerning
the probability that that was historically accurate.

If you wish to touch upon a more controversial
Christian point ... you might consider that we Christians
hold The Virgin Mary to be The Mother of God
(holding Jesus to be God), therefore leading to the
inescapable conclusion that God MUST have
impregnated His MOTHER. And that doesn't make
God a Motherfucker: I don't know what does!

Unlike you Muslims, we Christians are become rather
tolerant of blasphemy because the alternative is
endless butchery. This is the maturing of a civilized
society--one which recognizes that NOTHING really
ever shakes True Faith, and so it's pointless to go about
butchering human beings (cutting off their tongues and
the rest) just because they might have a mischievous
or juvenile sense of humor, certainly!

I sincerely hope that you Muslims will eventually come
to see the wisdom of it (in the next 6 or 7 hundred years).

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

**************************

"Immortalist" <[email protected]> was thinking
& thinking & thinking, and he finally, at last,
actually tried to think:

> xamples of Slippery Slope

[thought he, thinking he was thinking]

> 1.. "We have to stop the tuition increase! The next
> thing you know,
> they'll be charging $40,000 a semester!" [et al]

You forgot the classic 1: "We have to stop thinking! If
we continue thinking ... we will eventually think ALL
THOUGHTS, and since [everything = nothing] obviously
thinking inevitably leads to [thinking being the same
as never having thought anything at all to begin
with]. Have you thought about that? Well, DON'T."

{Just one of SDR's thoughts ... certainly not all of
them.}

> So you're prescribing a general ethical standard
> along the lines that if one
> agent commits an unethical act and other agents
> commit similar but not the
> same unethical act, then we need not point our
> fingers at the offender since
> others might do this unethical act at some time in
> the future or that we
> should punish all unethical acts even though we are
> trying to concentrate on
> this particular unethical act? *

Clearly: You need to think more about thinking
clearly, and less about actually thinking about things
& stuff, Imm.

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

* The answer is: ONE THING AT A TIME.
One crime at a time. One outrage at a time.
One pant leg at a time--You will eventually
find the store clerk who will ask, "So you want
two pants?" (when you ask for a pair of pants).

"No. I want ONE pair of pants," I answered
befuddled. And she, perhaps more befuddled
still, asked me: "So that's FOUR pants (two
pairs)...?" I tried to be more specific: "I want
ONE pair of pants for ONE man." And she:
"The other pair of pants is for a woman then?
Unless you want to buy four pants (for four
persons). In which case I have no idea exactly
how many pairs of pants we're talking about here
... four pairs, or eight pants, or... what?!?!?"

Trust me: You will eventually meet a clerk
like this one too. It is inevitable. Therefore:

Always follow SDR's basic motto, which is:

First things FIRST
Second things SECOND
and Third things THIRD

And ALWAYS get your own damn pants: You know
what you want.

ranjit mathews <[email protected]> writeth:

> Do all Christians live in "mature" societies?

It's all relative: Relative to Islamic societies YES.
But, relative to monkeys and others of our cousins:
MAYBE (some say maybe yes, others say, don't kid
yourselves).

> What do you think would happen if Hindus in Nagaland were
> to publish a picture of God the Father fornicating with the
> Virgin Mary?

If they were smart they'd charge admission.

> Surely, they can see from looking at the West that faith is easily
> shaken

I personally don't know a single atheist. Nor do I
believe it's possible for there to be one (no matter
what people who call themselves atheists without
really ever having looked into the matter tell you):
It's in the way reality works and how the brain has
evolved to deal with that reality:

Ours is an absolutely deterministic reality (no matter
what quantum mechanics aficionados may tell you), in
which there can NEVER be an uncaused effect.
Therefore, there is no free will & all that rubbish,
only the mental delusion that there is a free will.
The brain does not perceive this truth because reality
is too complex for it to "see" every last little cause
of every last little effect. But it perceives enough
of it that it would be able to suspect the truth and
probably go mad (break down, like mine did and now
YOURS will too, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!). So, to save itself,
the brain creates the delusion that there is free
will, and that those parts of reality which it sees
that it self-evidently cannot affect it can still
affect via some GOD or other which brain CAN affect
(and, of course, we can always then pretend we can
affect such a GOD via some prayer, such as: "Common,
babe, I really need that 7" or some bargain, such as:
"You know I've been good").

As a side-effect of this schizophrenia, the brain has
evolved "a running conversation sort of thinking"
(such as: "Hello, brain, do you remember where I put
that pen? Hello... brain!" "Oh, I'm sorry, were you
talking to me?" I have a terrible memory). Which is
why we "talk with God" and why, in some people God
actually talks back to them (when this finely-tuned
system has a glitch... unless we're just talking about
cons who tell us that God talks to them... and is
telling them that he wants everyone to give them their
money so they can build the house of the Lord, Hal le
Luya, and a 20 million dollar mansion next to it where
the con men can live in order to be close to GOD).

Of course, this is all the fault of our genes, who
couldn't care less how terrible we poor animals have
it as long as they can continue their pointless
existence at our expense! I blame the genes.

> and that their methods have thus far been more successful in
> protecting their faith.

Ah! The old saving the baby by throwing him out with
the bath water strategy. Ah, yes. Neat, but, in my
opinion, "life is to be lived." It is too precious...
it's ALL there is (in fact), and I'd hate to have to
live it according to the rules set up by baboons. This
is the great thing about Western Civilization: It's
not that we don't have rules here. It's that we've
struggled and bled and died for countless centuries
in order to achieve a bit of freedom from the baboons
(while in the Islamic world you struggle and bleed and
butcher to keep the baboons your overlords).

It would be a shame if all the efforts that have gone
to produce Western Civilization went to waste, and we
were to go back to being ruled by the baboons. A damn
shame! They'd probably burn down all the museums &
beautiful things of art (like Ayatollah Khomeini, when
he tried to burn down Persepolis, et al). No more
Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Shakespeare, Michelangelo...

I just don't want to live in a world were monks walk
about in endless rows chanting "Hummm!" from the
cradle to the grave. (Or whatever it is the pious
chant in religious societies to fill the void where
the full blossoming of their humanity should ripen.)

Here in this (perhaps but only momentary) Western
Civilization a human being has the best opportunity
yet offered in all of human history to live his or her
life according to the dictates of his/her own
tastes/judgments... and not according to the dictates
of baboons or other primitive apes/monkeys who might
have come up with perfectly reasonable savage norms
for their own primordial culture, but which norms are
unreasonably savage for us now.

I have enjoyed these sweet fruits of my ancestors'
sacrifices, and I hope some future generations of man
may yet still manage to do the same... before humanity
goes mad and enslaves itself in the name of devotion.

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

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"Fellow Traveler" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nevertheless, the cartoon drawing was and is in bad taste.
> Not for the reasons mentioned by the press, but because the
> idea of suicide bombings is anathema to many Muslims. And
> to accuse their prophet, Mohammed, of such behavior is what
> sparked this. However, because of fear of these extremist,
> as they have shown they can kill Muslims as well as non Muslims,
> the blame was put elsewhere. nuff said ...

'ere, don't run away so fast--you'll kill yourself!

Actually, it appears that A LOT of what sparked the "outrage"
(most of which is really a hypocritical excuse for hate-mongering
against non-Muslims---even the dopey Danes, who pour millions of
their hard-earned Euros into Islamic causes every year, and will
probably now feel they need to waste more), the "outrage" was NOT
caused just by the 12 cartoons originally published in Denmark
(which are rather mild stuff, for the most part) but probably mostly
by the 3 "cartoons" which European Imams added to them when they
spread word of them across the Islamic lands. You can all read it all
(at the end) via the following link (which is very, very eye-opening):

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

mirror sites (which might not have all updates of page):
http://www.outpost911.com/
http://info2us.dk/muhammed/
http://bamapachyderm.com/wp-content/mohammedmirror.htm
http://nordish.net/mohammed_image_archive/
http://aarons.cc/mohammed-mirror/

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com

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