Re: Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement

"rick murphy" wrote
>
> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>
> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>
> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>
> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."


These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
They should read the Lausanne Agreement their they co-signed in 1922;
their Venizelos was one of the signees (!), s.b.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
"
Overview
After the expulsion of the Greek forces by the Turkish army
under the command of Mustafa Kemal (later Kemal Atatürk),
the newly-founded Turkish government rejected the recently
signed Treaty of Sèvres. On October 20, 1922 the peace
conference was reopened, and after strenuous debates,
it was once again interrupted by Turkish protest on February 4, 1923.
After reopening on April 23, and more protest by Kemal's
government, the treaty was signed on July 24 after eight months
of arduous negotiation by allies such as US Admiral Mark L. Bristol,
who served as United States High Commissioner and championed
Turkish efforts.

Negotiations
Ismet Inönü was the lead negotiator for Turkey and Eleftherios Venizelos
was his Greek counterpart. The treaty provided for the independence
of the Republic of Turkey but also for the protection of the ethnic
Greek minority in Turkey and the mainly ethnically Turkish Muslim
minority in Greece. Much of the Greek population of Turkey was
exchanged with the Turkish population of Greece. The Greeks
of Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos were excluded (about 270,000
in Istanbul alone at that time [1]), and so were the Muslim population
of Western Thrace (about 86,000 [2] in 1922).
....
The republic of Turkey also accepted the loss of Cyprus to the British Empire.
The fate of the province of Mosul was left to be determined through the League of Nations.
....
"
See also: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/lausanne.html

Baba Bey wrote:

> "rick murphy" wrote
>
>>http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>
>>Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>
>>Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>>reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>>minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>>as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>>Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>>told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>>in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>
>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>>government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>>diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>>being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>>newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>>Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>>Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
>
> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
> They should read the Lausanne Agreement their they co-signed in 1922;
> their Venizelos was one of the signees (!), s.b.:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
> "
> Overview
> After the expulsion of the Greek forces by the Turkish army
> under the command of Mustafa Kemal (later Kemal Atatürk),
> the newly-founded Turkish government rejected the recently
> signed Treaty of Sèvres. On October 20, 1922 the peace
> conference was reopened, and after strenuous debates,
> it was once again interrupted by Turkish protest on February 4, 1923.
> After reopening on April 23, and more protest by Kemal's
> government, the treaty was signed on July 24 after eight months
> of arduous negotiation by allies such as US Admiral Mark L. Bristol,
> who served as United States High Commissioner and championed
> Turkish efforts.
>
> Negotiations
> Ismet Inönü was the lead negotiator for Turkey and Eleftherios Venizelos
> was his Greek counterpart. The treaty provided for the independence
> of the Republic of Turkey but also for the protection of the ethnic
> Greek minority in Turkey and the mainly ethnically Turkish Muslim
> minority in Greece. Much of the Greek population of Turkey was
> exchanged with the Turkish population of Greece. The Greeks
> of Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos were excluded (about 270,000

And only a few thousand are now left

> in Istanbul alone at that time [1]), and so were the Muslim population
> of Western Thrace (about 86,000 [2] in 1922).

And are about 140.000 now

> ...
> The republic of Turkey also accepted the loss of Cyprus to the British Empire.

They sold it to the UK
Do others have the same right?
Invading Turkey and selling it's pieces?
No, only ottomans have this right.
They took Greece from you and Bulgaria and Egypt etc.
Poor innocent victims.
Look what the British lost.
Half a planet.
The French half Africa.
The Romans lost half of Europe and the whole of North Africa and the
entire Middle East but they don't cry like you.
The next you will loose will be Kurdistan.

> The fate of the province of Mosul was left to be determined through the League of Nations.
> ...
> "
> See also: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/lausanne.html
>


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> "rick murphy" wrote
>>
>> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>
>> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>
>> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>
>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."


> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!

Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships and
airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))

PWN!
PWN!
PWN!

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"gogu" wrote
> "Baba Bey"
> > "rick murphy" wrote
> >>
> >> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
> >> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
> >>
> >> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
> >> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
> >> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
> >> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
> >> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
> >> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
> >> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
> >>
> >> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
> >> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
> >> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
> >> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
> >> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
> >> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
> >> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
> > These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>
> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships and
> airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))

You are spreading false information aka making propaganda aka lying.

Fact1: It is the Greeks and the Greek-Cypriots who are the dumb! :-)
Proof: countless; see for example the one above... :-)))

Fact2: Turkey's sea- and airports are open to all EU countries, inc. Greece,
except to dumb SouthCyprus who blackades Turkish NorthCyprus
in the international platform.
We said in the agreement that we will open our sea- and airports
also to these low-lifes in SouthCyprus IF the EU removes all
restrictions/embargoes over NorthCyprus. We are holding our word!
We just wait for the EU to fulfill their own obligations and promise to us.
It is EU's fault if this problem is still not solved. We've fulfilled our part,
it's the EU's turn now. Then we will open the ports also to SouthCyprus.

Fact3: We will not allow anybody to blackmail us, never, be it the EU or whoever else.
It is a simple to solve problem: EU must recognize NorthCyprus and
then we will open our ports to the SouthCyprus idiots. That simple is it.

Fact4: I wonder for what SouthCyprus needs access to Turkish sea- and airports :-)
I think they have neither any ships nor any planes which
are capable or anyhow safe for any serious international traffic,
to allow them travel and dock any port... ROTFL! :-))))))))

? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
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> "gogu" wrote


>> > These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!


>> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
>> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships
>> and
>> airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))
>
> You are spreading false information aka making propaganda aka lying.

I am not spreading nothing!
I am saying you the *SAME* thing the EU leaders are saying to your PM!
Don't try to LIE in your best fascist Turkish tradition!


> Fact1: It is the Greeks and the Greek-Cypriots who are the dumb! :-)
> Proof: countless; see for example the one above... :-)))

Suuure, suuure, everyone is "dumb" except the "smart" Turks who are all the
time kicked in their a** for being barbarian and uncivilized...
How sad you are!...

> Fact2: Turkey's sea- and airports are open to all EU countries, inc.
> Greece,
> except to dumb SouthCyprus who blackades Turkish NorthCyprus
> in the international platform.
> We said in the agreement that we will open our sea- and airports
> also to these low-lifes in SouthCyprus IF the EU removes all
> restrictions/embargoes over NorthCyprus. We are holding our word!
> We just wait for the EU to fulfill their own obligations and promise
> to us.
> It is EU's fault if this problem is still not solved. We've
> fulfilled our part,
> it's the EU's turn now. Then we will open the ports also to
> SouthCyprus.

You are wrong and you language "dumb", "low-lifes" (sic! it's low-lives, you
*brilliant* Turk;-))) etc is just showing your INFERIORITY COMPLEX and your
BARBARITY and shows to everybody who the AGGRESSOR is!
It also shows that you have no place in the civilized world!
If you like that, please go on, show everybody your BARBARITY;-)

> Fact3: We will not allow anybody to blackmail us, never, be it the EU or
> whoever else.
> It is a simple to solve problem: EU must recognize NorthCyprus and
> then we will open our ports to the SouthCyprus idiots. That simple
> is it.

The simple is to open your ports/airports of the EU dream is going to END
the 15th of December!
Simple like that!
The whole EU is saying you that but you think you can blackmail us and pass
your oriental bazaar as you are used to do.
No this time Ahmet!

> Fact4: I wonder for what SouthCyprus needs access to Turkish sea- and
> airports :-)
> I think they have neither any ships nor any planes which
> are capable or anyhow safe for any serious international traffic,
> to allow them travel and dock any port... ROTFL! :-))))))))

You are illiterate but hey, you are one of those fascist Turks, so no
wonder!
For your information the Cyprus merchant fleet is quite big, probably bigger
than that of Turkey!

Now obey what you've signed or...GET THE HELL OUT of the civilized world,
you BARBARIANS!

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"gogu", the Greco-Armenian propaganda poster from the ATHENS UNIVERSITY, wrote
> "Baba Bey"
> > "gogu" wrote
>
> >> > These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>
> >> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
> >> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships
> >> and airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))
> >
> > You are spreading false information aka making propaganda aka lying.
>
> I am not spreading nothing!
> I am saying you the *SAME* thing the EU leaders are saying to your PM!
> Don't try to LIE in your best fascist Turkish tradition!

The liar is yourself! See the archive!
Turkeys port are open for 24 of the 25 EU countries, incl. to Greece.
Do you deny this?
Turkeys ports are not open to SouthCyprus b/c of the unsolved Cyprus dispute yet.

> > Fact1: It is the Greeks and the Greek-Cypriots who are the dumb! :-)
> > Proof: countless; see for example the one above... :-)))
>
> Suuure, suuure, everyone is "dumb" except the "smart" Turks

You say it, bro!... :-)

> who are all the time kicked in their a** for being barbarian and uncivilized...

Prove what you say, liar!
We just don't accept any idiocy requested from us.
This will never change, even when we are a member in the EU.
We are not interessted to give up our freedom and independency
into the dirty hands of some braindamaged sick fascistic elements in the EU.

> How sad you are!...

The sad one is yourself.

> > Fact2: Turkey's sea- and airports are open to all EU countries, inc. Greece,
> > except to dumb SouthCyprus who blackades Turkish NorthCyprus
> > in the international platform.
> > We said in the agreement that we will open our sea- and airports
> > also to these low-lifes in SouthCyprus IF the EU removes all
> > restrictions/embargoes over NorthCyprus. We are holding our word!
> > We just wait for the EU to fulfill their own obligations and promise to us.
> > It is EU's fault if this problem is still not solved. We've fulfilled our part,
> > it's the EU's turn now. Then we will open the ports also to SouthCyprus.
>
> You are wrong

You have not shown what is wrong.

> and you language "dumb", "low-lifes" (sic! it's low-lives, you *brilliant* Turk;-)))

You have just proved your own brilliant idiocy: "low-life" and "dumb"
are for sure the right terms for such idiots like you! :-) See the web.

> etc is just showing your INFERIORITY COMPLEX and your BARBARITY

It's you Grik dimwits who for 70+ years had this INFERIORITY COMPLEX,
and now since you are in the EU you feel you can show, again,
your BARBARIAN side as you falsely think you are backed
by the majority of the EU. In reality you have upset all EU members
with your uncivilized undemocratic revanchistic backwards thoughts.

BTW, there is no such word called "BARBARITY", you il stupido !!! :-)))

> and shows to everybody who the AGGRESSOR is!

Study the history 1919-1923 to see who the real agressor was...
It was the Greek idiots for their daydream of the "Megali Idea"... ROTFL! :-)))
Here, take this, you born Grik losers! :-)
......................./´¯/)
.....................,/¯../
..................../..../
............../´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
.........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
.........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')

> It also shows that you have no place in the civilized world!

We all know how much "civilized", "european", racistic, and dumb you Griks are.
We see it in all your propaganda messages, don't we? :-)
Hi Panta idiot! :-)

> If you like that, please go on, show everybody your BARBARITY;-)

You dimwit, there is no such word called "BARBARITY" !!!
ROTFL! :-)))
ROTFL! :-)))
ROTFL! :-)))

> > Fact3: We will not allow anybody to blackmail us, never, be it the EU or
> > whoever else. It is a simple to solve problem:
> > EU must recognize NorthCyprus and then we will open
> > our ports to the SouthCyprus idiots. That simple is it.
>
> The simple is to open your ports/airports of the EU dream is going to END
> the 15th of December!

I personally would be glad of that!
I more than once wrote that we Turks dont need such an unfair EU.

> The whole EU is saying you that but you think you can blackmail
> us and pass your oriental bazaar as you are used to do.

It is the EU who did not fullfill yet their obligations and promises.

> No this time Ahmet!

Not here.
Never mind.
Have you ever thought further:
What will you Grik losers (esp. those in SC) will have gained if it fails, just tell me!
IMO, nothing!

> For your information the Cyprus merchant fleet is quite big,
> probably bigger than that of Turkey!

ROTFL! Whoever believes this lies....
You are famous for such exaggregations... :-)

> Now obey what you've signed

Like I said, we already did our part.
Only after the EU declares that it gives NorthCyprus the same rights
like to SouthCyprus will we make the next step, as we cannot accept
this discriminatory treatment of NorthCyprus by the EU.
One really wonders why the EU is that much blind to not see this...

> or...GET THE HELL OUT of the civilized world,

Do you, as a member of this allegedly "civilized world", have got
enough intelligence to define exactly what "civilized world" means to you?

gogu wrote:

> ? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:[email protected] ...
>
>>"rick murphy" wrote
>>
>>>http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>>
>>>Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>>
>>>Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>>>reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>>>minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>>>as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>>>Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>>>told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>>>in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>>
>>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>>>government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>>>diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>>>being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>>>newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>>>Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>>>Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
>
>>These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>
>
> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships and
> airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))
>
> PWN!
> PWN!
> PWN!
>

He has removed my reply to him from yesterday.

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Baba Bey wrote:

Baba Bey wrote:

> "rick murphy" wrote
>
>> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>
>> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>
>> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>
>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
>
>
> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
> They should read the Lausanne Agreement their they co-signed in 1922;
> their Venizelos was one of the signees (!), s.b.:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
> "
> Overview
> After the expulsion of the Greek forces by the Turkish army
> under the command of Mustafa Kemal (later Kemal Atatürk),
> the newly-founded Turkish government rejected the recently
> signed Treaty of Sèvres. On October 20, 1922 the peace
> conference was reopened, and after strenuous debates,
> it was once again interrupted by Turkish protest on February 4, 1923.
> After reopening on April 23, and more protest by Kemal's
> government, the treaty was signed on July 24 after eight months
> of arduous negotiation by allies such as US Admiral Mark L. Bristol,
> who served as United States High Commissioner and championed
> Turkish efforts.
>
> Negotiations
> Ismet Inönü was the lead negotiator for Turkey and Eleftherios Venizelos
> was his Greek counterpart. The treaty provided for the independence
> of the Republic of Turkey but also for the protection of the ethnic
> Greek minority in Turkey and the mainly ethnically Turkish Muslim
> minority in Greece. Much of the Greek population of Turkey was
> exchanged with the Turkish population of Greece. The Greeks
> of Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos were excluded (about 270,000


And only a few thousand are now left

> in Istanbul alone at that time [1]), and so were the Muslim population
> of Western Thrace (about 86,000 [2] in 1922).


And are about 140.000 now

> ...
> The republic of Turkey also accepted the loss of Cyprus to the
British Empire.


They sold it to the UK
Do others have the same right?
Invading Turkey and selling it's pieces?
No, only ottomans have this right.
They took Greece from you and Bulgaria and Egypt etc.
Poor innocent victims.
Look what the British lost.
Half a planet.
The French half Africa.
The Romans lost half of Europe and the whole of North Africa and the
entire Middle East but they don't cry like you.
The next you will loose will be Kurdistan.

> The fate of the province of Mosul was left to be determined through
the League of Nations.
> ...
> "
> See also: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/lausanne.html
>


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Baba Bey wrote:

Baba Bey wrote:

> "rick murphy" wrote
>
>> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>
>> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>
>> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>
>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
>
>
> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
> They should read the Lausanne Agreement their they co-signed in 1922;
> their Venizelos was one of the signees (!), s.b.:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
> "
> Overview
> After the expulsion of the Greek forces by the Turkish army
> under the command of Mustafa Kemal (later Kemal Atatürk),
> the newly-founded Turkish government rejected the recently
> signed Treaty of Sèvres. On October 20, 1922 the peace
> conference was reopened, and after strenuous debates,
> it was once again interrupted by Turkish protest on February 4, 1923.
> After reopening on April 23, and more protest by Kemal's
> government, the treaty was signed on July 24 after eight months
> of arduous negotiation by allies such as US Admiral Mark L. Bristol,
> who served as United States High Commissioner and championed
> Turkish efforts.
>
> Negotiations
> Ismet Inönü was the lead negotiator for Turkey and Eleftherios Venizelos
> was his Greek counterpart. The treaty provided for the independence
> of the Republic of Turkey but also for the protection of the ethnic
> Greek minority in Turkey and the mainly ethnically Turkish Muslim
> minority in Greece. Much of the Greek population of Turkey was
> exchanged with the Turkish population of Greece. The Greeks
> of Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos were excluded (about 270,000


And only a few thousand are now left

> in Istanbul alone at that time [1]), and so were the Muslim population
> of Western Thrace (about 86,000 [2] in 1922).


And are about 140.000 now

> ...
> The republic of Turkey also accepted the loss of Cyprus to the
British Empire.


They sold it to the UK
Do others have the same right?
Invading Turkey and selling it's pieces?
No, only ottomans have this right.
They took Greece from you and Bulgaria and Egypt etc.
Poor innocent victims.
Look what the British lost.
Half a planet.
The French half Africa.
The Romans lost half of Europe and the whole of North Africa and the
entire Middle East but they don't cry like you.
The next you will loose will be Kurdistan.

> The fate of the province of Mosul was left to be determined through
the League of Nations.
> ...
> "
> See also: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/lausanne.html
>


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Baba Bey wrote:

Baba Bey wrote:

> "rick murphy" wrote
>
>> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>
>> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>
>> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>
>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>
>
>
>
> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
> They should read the Lausanne Agreement their they co-signed in 1922;
> their Venizelos was one of the signees (!), s.b.:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
> "
> Overview
> After the expulsion of the Greek forces by the Turkish army
> under the command of Mustafa Kemal (later Kemal Atatürk),
> the newly-founded Turkish government rejected the recently
> signed Treaty of Sèvres. On October 20, 1922 the peace
> conference was reopened, and after strenuous debates,
> it was once again interrupted by Turkish protest on February 4, 1923.
> After reopening on April 23, and more protest by Kemal's
> government, the treaty was signed on July 24 after eight months
> of arduous negotiation by allies such as US Admiral Mark L. Bristol,
> who served as United States High Commissioner and championed
> Turkish efforts.
>
> Negotiations
> Ismet Inönü was the lead negotiator for Turkey and Eleftherios Venizelos
> was his Greek counterpart. The treaty provided for the independence
> of the Republic of Turkey but also for the protection of the ethnic
> Greek minority in Turkey and the mainly ethnically Turkish Muslim
> minority in Greece. Much of the Greek population of Turkey was
> exchanged with the Turkish population of Greece. The Greeks
> of Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos were excluded (about 270,000


And only a few thousand are now left

> in Istanbul alone at that time [1]), and so were the Muslim population
> of Western Thrace (about 86,000 [2] in 1922).


And are about 140.000 now

> ...
> The republic of Turkey also accepted the loss of Cyprus to the
British Empire.


They sold it to the UK
Do others have the same right?
Invading Turkey and selling it's pieces?
No, only ottomans have this right.
They took Greece from you and Bulgaria and Egypt etc.
Poor innocent victims.
Look what the British lost.
Half a planet.
The French half Africa.
The Romans lost half of Europe and the whole of North Africa and the
entire Middle East but they don't cry like you.
The next you will loose will be Kurdistan.

> The fate of the province of Mosul was left to be determined through
the League of Nations.
> ...
> "
> See also: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/lausanne.html
>


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Mhitsos**24 wrote:

> gogu wrote:
>
>> ? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
>> news:[email protected] ...
>>
>>> "rick murphy" wrote
>>>
>>>> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/5399000.asp?gid=74
>>>>
>>>> Washington-Athens tension over "Turks in northern Thrace" statement
>>>>
>>>> Diplomatic feathers have been ruffled in Greece this week following a
>>>> reference by US Embassy Charge D'Affaires Thoman Countryman to the
>>>> minority population living in Greece's northeastern Thracian provinces
>>>> as "Turkish." Following Countryman's statement, US Ambassador to Greece
>>>> Charles Ries was called to the Greek Foreign Ministry, where he was
>>>> told of Greek discomfort over Countryman's words, which had been issued
>>>> in an interview with the Greek newspaper Elefterotipia.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking after Ambassador Ries' meeting at the Foreign Ministry, Greek
>>>> government spokesperson Teodoros Rusupulos said "Declarations by
>>>> diplomats cannot change facts. Greece has nothing to fear in the way of
>>>> being criticized for its stance." Countryman's statement to the Greek
>>>> newspaper included the following: "In our analysis, most of the Muslim
>>>> Greek citizens living in northern Greece are Turks. They come from
>>>> Turkish families, they speak Turkish. We count them as Turks."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>>
>>
>>
>> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
>> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the
>> ships and airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do
>> that?;-)))
>>
>> PWN!
>> PWN!
>> PWN!
>>
>
> He has removed my reply to him from yesterday.
>

My mistake this time.
He just posted something to soc.culture.greek with a follow up which is
not including soc.culture.greek


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gogu wrote:
> ? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
>
>
> > These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>
> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships and
> airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do that?;-)))


Wrong

Their ports and airports ARE open to *ALL* 25 EU member countries

Turkish Northern Cyprus being 25th but by no means last

PWNage

PS

http://media.putfile.com/Kostas-Papafloratos

<gogu shit FLUSHED>

see http://www.seanie.eu

NAZI GOGU COSTICA gogu GOLANULE Emfietzoglou TROLL

My name's GOGU not GOOGU !

Welcome to my homepage. I am the NAZI TROLL golanule " GOGU ", real
name Kostas PAPAFLORATOS, aka COSTICA aka Eli_PA aka PAPY aka MICKey ,
a nasty little STINKING Vlachi immigrant from the end of the Ceaucescu
era living in Thessalonika in Greek Grease, I am a newsgroup / usent
TROLL and a serial FLAMER ! I hate myself cos I'm not truly greek, I
really wannabe a grik so I try to act like a grik by abusing Turks and
Romanians and JEWS < I really hate all JIDANILOR !!!!! > I sweep up
greek peoples shit, kiss their greek arses and scrub their toilets for
minimum wage and it is still more than I would ever earn in a lifetime
in Brasov Rrrrrromania where my YEEFTOS peasant VLACHOI Papaflorescu
family come from.

My proudest usenet moment came when I chanted "Death to the Jews" over
and over again in my Romanian mother tongue "MOARTE JIDANILOR" this
proved my vile anti-semite nature to the world

Gogu Shows His Etreme Hatred Of All JEWS In his vile usenet career.




Gogu's racism is so comical that even the snipurl address is MWAH is a
link to more of my Anti-Semite usenet diatribes


I pretend to be a coin collector by posting PHOTOGRAPHS of the coins I
would like but could never afford, I also operate scams by auctioning
"Photos" of coins so watch out ! I'm a slippery little snake !

My weirdest usenet moment was when I pretended I was the DAUGHTER of a
greek construction magnate, Mr Prodromos Emfietzoglou, owner of greek
construction combine MICHANIKI S.A
Well actually I claimed to be his offspring before I understood that
his only child MELINA EMFIETZOGLOU is in fact a female and by that time
it was too late !

Sick stalker Kostas Papafloratos of Kalamaria pretending that he's
Melina Emfietzoglou of Michaniki SA

Gogu Pretends To Be Melina, SON of Prodromos Emfietzoglou of Michaniki
S.A

My nemesis, a guy called Seanie who continues to expose my LIES
correctly identified me as a "WALTER MITTY FANTASIST" in other words, a
very little man with a great big imagination and a HUGE MOUTH !


Here's an example of a foul, DELUSIONAL, RANCID, racist Gogu post

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: thes530-d075.otenet.gr

You are BARBARIAN my dear whore, don't try to escape:-)
As for being poor, I can say only ... LOL:-)))
Try a search including "michaniki SA" in your criteria and you will
see how
"poor" is our family company (my father's name is Prodromos,
BTW:-)):-))) As
a matter of fact, one of the "poorest" in Greece:-))) LOL LOL LOL
Maybe the
third or fourth most "poor" in Greece:-))) LOL
Poor Albos, you are the poorest, ugliest, most BARBARIAN, most
CRIMINAL
people on earth , but you still have a big mouth:-)))
Well, whatever you say, you are still and will be the cesspool of
humanity:-)
Have a pleasant FUCKING evening you Albo-pithecus barbaricus:-)


Greek Murderers Is my favourite greek site

Gogu Shows His Talent For Template Homepage Creativity is a link to my
shitty yahoo GOLANULE profile homepage

Gogu golanule and his shitty photographic efforts Is my fwanky wannabe
greek site

GOGU shit Is my favourite wank site

More untalented GOGU shit Is my favourite wankers site

Yes I'm an alien botherer

I have a huge Ebay store too Kosta's Ebay Kingdom


[email protected] is my email address More SHAMEFULLY GOGU
Gobbledeegook

At long last, the truth about usenets shitkicking racist Gogu Golanule



Revealed to you free of charge


Here is the name and address of the usenet terrorist, Jew-hating
Turk-despising Albanian loathing Macedonian bashing Romanian
antagonising FREAK hiding behind the handle "GOGU" aka COSTICA aka
Constantin or Konstantin Brincoveanu


First Name :KOSTAS


Surname : PAPAFLORATOS


Address :


ETHNIKIS ANTISTASEOS 10
55133 KALAMARIA
THESSALONIKI
GREECE


Telephone +30 2310 434991


Employers www.egnatia.gr

Special Thanks to a brilliant team of private investigators in Greece


Greek Peoplesearch Private Investigators

King Seanie, MASTER of all grik slaves, a full-blown psychopath, as you can
see, writes:


<snip asshole Sean Ruttledge's endless sick garbage>

.....and f'up to his homegroup: alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge!


--
If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Sean Ruttledge.

? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
news:[email protected]...
> "gogu", the Greco-Armenian propaganda poster from the ATHENS UNIVERSITY,
> wrote
>> "Baba Bey"
>> > "gogu" wrote
>>
>> >> > These dumb Greeks should read what they sign!
>>
>> >> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
>> >> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the
>> >> ships
>> >> and airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do
>> >> that?;-)))

>> > You are spreading false information aka making propaganda aka lying.


>> I am not spreading nothing!
>> I am saying you the *SAME* thing the EU leaders are saying to your PM!
>> Don't try to LIE in your best fascist Turkish tradition!



> The liar is yourself! See the archive!
> Turkeys port are open for 24 of the 25 EU countries, incl. to Greece.
> Do you deny this?
> Turkeys ports are not open to SouthCyprus b/c of the unsolved Cyprus
> dispute yet.

And that's something that EU is not accepting and *AGAINST* of what you have
signed, you DISHONORABLE fascists!

>> > Fact1: It is the Greeks and the Greek-Cypriots who are the dumb! :-)
>> > Proof: countless; see for example the one above... :-)))

>> Suuure, suuure, everyone is "dumb" except the "smart" Turks

> You say it, bro!... :-)

Well, that's another sign that you are good only for cheep jokes but you are
not serious in acting!
The only thing you have is cheep jokes and of course...laziness;-)

>> who are all the time kicked in their a** for being barbarian and
>> uncivilized...


> Prove what you say, liar!
> We just don't accept any idiocy requested from us.
> This will never change, even when we are a member in the EU.
> We are not interessted to give up our freedom and independency
> into the dirty hands of some braindamaged sick fascistic elements in the
> EU.

Then STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE EU, you begging barbarians!

>> How sad you are!...


> The sad one is yourself.

Yawn...

>> > Fact2: Turkey's sea- and airports are open to all EU countries, inc.
>> > Greece,
>> > except to dumb SouthCyprus who blackades Turkish NorthCyprus
>> > in the international platform.
>> > We said in the agreement that we will open our sea- and airports
>> > also to these low-lifes in SouthCyprus IF the EU removes all
>> > restrictions/embargoes over NorthCyprus. We are holding our word!
>> > We just wait for the EU to fulfill their own obligations and
>> > promise to us.
>> > It is EU's fault if this problem is still not solved. We've
>> > fulfilled our part,
>> > it's the EU's turn now. Then we will open the ports also to
>> > SouthCyprus.


>> You are wrong

> You have not shown what is wrong.

Everybody is telling you that, including the whole EU but you keep saying
your BS;-)
Oh well, you are going to LOSE, as always;-)

>> and you language "dumb", "low-lifes" (sic! it's low-lives, you
>> *brilliant* Turk;-)))


> You have just proved your own brilliant idiocy: "low-life" and "dumb"
> are for sure the right terms for such idiots like you! :-) See the web.

Well, what else than...ECCE TURCO?;-)))
Cheep, vulgar, real BARBARIANS!

>> etc is just showing your INFERIORITY COMPLEX and your BARBARITY


> It's you Grik dimwits who for 70+ years had this INFERIORITY COMPLEX,
> and now since you are in the EU you feel you can show, again,
> your BARBARIAN side as you falsely think you are backed
> by the majority of the EU. In reality you have upset all EU members
> with your uncivilized undemocratic revanchistic backwards thoughts.

So in the line of your (i)logical reasoning, the 15th of November the EU
will condemn us and let Turkey in the EU, right?;-)
LOL

> BTW, there is no such word called "BARBARITY", you il stupido !!! :-)))

Open a dictionary and you'll see!

>> and shows to everybody who the AGGRESSOR is!


> Study the history 1919-1923 to see who the real agressor was...
> It was the Greek idiots for their daydream of the "Megali Idea"...
> ROTFL! :-)))

Study the WHOLE Turkish history, and you will see!
Not without a reason in every European language there is an expression
referring to the "barbarian Turks"...

> Here, take this, you born Grik losers! :-)
> ....................../´¯/)
> ....................,/¯../
> .................../..../
> ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
> ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
> ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')


LOL
Another proof of the..."civilization" of some fascist Turks like you;-)
It's obvious that you Turks can only discuss with obscenities and
vulgarities;-)
Well done in proving my thesis;-)

>> It also shows that you have no place in the civilized world!


> We all know how much "civilized", "european", racistic, and dumb you Griks
> are.
> We see it in all your propaganda messages, don't we? :-)

Most of them from *TURKISH* newspapers!
BTW, what about *YOUR* racist messages like "Greeks are DUMB", etc?...
See how you are making an ASS out of you with your HYPOCRISY?...
Poor uneducated, fascist Turk, you can't even understand the damage you are
doing to your country Turkey with your RACIST speech and inconsistency...

> Hi Panta idiot! :-)

????
Hi Seanie then;-)

>> If you like that, please go on, show everybody your BARBARITY;-)


> You dimwit, there is no such word called "BARBARITY" !!!

Open a decent dictionary and you'll see if there is, you uneducated fascist
Turkish baboon;-)

ROTFL! :-)))
ROTFL! :-)))
ROTFL! :-)))


>> > Fact3: We will not allow anybody to blackmail us, never, be it the EU
>> > or
>> > whoever else. It is a simple to solve problem:
>> > EU must recognize NorthCyprus and then we will open
>> > our ports to the SouthCyprus idiots. That simple is it.


>> The simple is to open your ports/airports of the EU dream is going to END
>> the 15th of December!


> I personally would be glad of that!
> I more than once wrote that we Turks dont need such an unfair EU.

Then why are you coming in our door with your begging bowl asking with
humiliation to be admitted?!

>> The whole EU is saying you that but you think you can blackmail
>> us and pass your oriental bazaar as you are used to do.


> It is the EU who did not fullfill yet their obligations and promises.

Well, a thief always say he is innocent;-)
So you are saying that it is EU's fault!
Good, then the EU will understand it and the 15th of November will accept
your reasoning and "punish" the Greek Cypriots;-)
LOL LOL LOL

>> No this time Ahmet!

>> For your information the Cyprus merchant fleet is quite big,
>> probably bigger than that of Turkey!


> ROTFL! Whoever believes this lies....
> You are famous for such exaggregations... :-)

My name is not Baba Idiot...

>> Now obey what you've signed


> Like I said, we already did our part.
> Only after the EU declares that it gives NorthCyprus the same rights
> like to SouthCyprus will we make the next step, as we cannot accept
> this discriminatory treatment of NorthCyprus by the EU.

Now pray SHOW us where in the Agreement there is such a prevision!
Or SHUT UP you LIAR!

> One really wonders why the EU is that much blind to not see this...

One wonders if Turkey think that it can blackmail the EU in the best
BARBARIAN Turkish tradition!

>> or...GET THE HELL OUT of the civilized world,

> Do you, as a member of this allegedly "civilized world", have got
> enough intelligence to define exactly what "civilized world" means to you?

Everyone except...Turkey;-)
And that's why you are DYING to be part of the EU;-)

PWN!


--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

? "Mhitsos**24" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
news:[email protected]...
> Mhitsos**24 wrote:
>
>> gogu wrote:
>>
>>> ? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
>>> news:[email protected] ...
>>>
>>>> "rick murphy" wrote
>>>>

>>> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
>>> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the ships
>>> and airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do
>>> that?;-)))
>>>
>>> PWN!
>>> PWN!
>>> PWN!


>> He has removed my reply to him from yesterday.


> My mistake this time.
> He just posted something to soc.culture.greek with a follow up which is
> not including soc.culture.greek

Because he is SCARED of the answers he is going to receive, the chickenshit
of a fascist Turk;-)
That's another proof of how DISHONORABLE the fascist Turks are!
Other times this little fascist Turkish worm is redirecting the replies to
his messages to...alt.idiots!
What other proof of the Turkish BARBARITY and lack of democratic
thinking?!...
Oh well, the whole world already knows the real, ugly face of those
BARBARIANS, thanks to this Baba Idiot who is making a "fine" job in trashing
Turkey's reputation on Usenet;-)

--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

"gogu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>? "Mhitsos**24" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mhitsos**24 wrote:
>>
>>> gogu wrote:
>>>
>>>> ? "Baba Bey" <[email protected]> ?????? ??? ??????
>>>> news:[email protected] ...
>>>>
>>>>> "rick murphy" wrote
>>>>>
>
>>>> Then what about the DUMB Turks, shouldn't they do the same?;-)
>>>> Because they signed they will open their ports and airports to the
>>>> ships
>>>> and airplanes of *ALL* 25 EU countries and now they refuse to do
>>>> that?;-)))
>>>>
>>>> PWN!
>>>> PWN!
>>>> PWN!
>
>
>>> He has removed my reply to him from yesterday.
>
>
>> My mistake this time.
>> He just posted something to soc.culture.greek with a follow up which is
>> not including soc.culture.greek
>
> Because he is SCARED of the answers he is going to receive, the
> chickenshit
> of a fascist Turk;-)
> That's another proof of how DISHONORABLE the fascist Turks are!
> Other times this little fascist Turkish worm is redirecting the replies to
> his messages to...alt.idiots!

Trend started by your hireling, Usenet whore and $5 hack Panta-Loony, don't
you forget!!!!

> What other proof of the Turkish BARBARITY and lack of democratic
> thinking?!...
> Oh well, the whole world already knows the real, ugly face of those
> BARBARIANS, thanks to this Baba Idiot who is making a "fine" job in
> trashing
> Turkey's reputation on Usenet;-)

Hey gogulo, you 'superbly educated' village idiot with no less 2 yes 2 (!)
Ph.D (Philologically Deficient**) diplomas, how much did it cost your dad to
buy you that secondary school diploma in the first place?

** If your English is anything to go by!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

>
> --
>
> E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
> in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
> puttane! F.d.A
>
> Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
>
>
>

gogu wrote:

>
> I am not spreading nothing!

That equals YOU ARE SPREADING SOMETHING thanks for the confession,
BITCH !

LMFAOAY


http://media.putfile.com/Kostas-Papafloratos

First Name :KOSTAS


Surname : PAPAFLORATOS


Address :


ETHNIKIS ANTISTASEOS 10
55133 KALAMARIA
THESSALONIKI
GREECE


Telephone +30 2310 434991


Employers www.egnatia.gr

Special Thanks to a brilliant team of private investigators in Greece

http://media.putfile.com/Kostas-Papafloratos

® Lame GAYson COPIES Da Hui ™ his MASTER !!!, a full-blown psychopath, as
you can see, writes:

<snip the poor psychopath's sick garbage>

What's with that address, you impotent, whining, abused, bleeding
psychopath? Wouldn't it be about time you DID something about it? Maybe
phone the guy up? <BG> Or pay him a visit?

Too scared, you helpless, little idiot? LOL!

You are ONLY a keyboard rambo? LOL!

Seems to confirm everyone's opinion of you, you bigmouthed loser with
absolutely no life outside Usenet! LMAO!


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