The Cypriots and the Kurds in Turkey

The Cypriots and the Kurds in Turkey

[16:49 , 15 Nov 2006]

Kurds, Turkey (International Herald Tribune)


PNA-Turkey complains vociferously about the European Union's unfair
treatment of the politically and economically isolated Turkish Cypriots. Why
then shouldn't Turkey grant a big chunk of its own citizens - the Kurds -
the same rights it demands for people who are not even Turkish nationals?

There are many similarities between Northern Cyprus and the Turkish
southeast, where many of Turkey's estimated 15 to 20 million Kurds live.
They are geographically similar and are located in sensitive areas - the one
off Syria's coast, the other bordering Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Both are relatively isolated and poor, though the Kurds are a lot
poorer than the Turkish Cypriots. In both cases, poverty is linked to the
unresolved political and security issues around their identity and political
status.

But it's the differences that are more striking. Turkey is loudly
championing the rights of Turkish Cypriots in the EU. But anyone who
champions Kurdish rights in Turkey risks being accused of separatism and
even terrorism.

While Turkey expects international support for its Cyprus solution,
based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality between
the two communities, it argues the precise opposite for its own Kurdish
citizens.

For many Turks, any Kurdish request for national recognition - whether
to be called Kurdish citizens of Turkey rather than Turks, or for a
federation, or to use the Kurdish language in schools or in the media - is
perceived as an attack on the Turkish nation and its territory.

While many Kurds are ready to remain within a unitary Turkish state so
long as they can have full cultural rights, for most Turks the idea of
Turkish Cypriots accepting simply minority status in a Greek-Cypriot
dominated Republic of Cyprus is anathema.

The Turkish habit of stamping slogans onto mountainsides is evident
both in Northern Cyprus and in southeastern Turkey. But on Cyprus, the
slogans declaring the north to be the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
are directed at the Greek Cypriots across the Green Line, while in the
desolate mountains of southeast Turkey, the slogans assert "one state, one
flag, one language."

Many Turks will argue that the Cyprus problem and the Kurdish problem
are not the same due to the violence of the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK),
which has been fighting the Turkish military for over 20 years and is and
labeled as a terrorist group by Turkey, the United States and the European
Union. But why should violence by a minority of Kurds mean curtailing the
rights of the majority of Kurds?

How can there be any hope of a political solution in either place
without respect for the rights of both minority groups?

Where are the political leaders? Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
is struggling on many fronts, not least to win re-election next year in the
face of a nationalist and secularist onslaught, and also to keep Turkey's EU
process on track despite negative signals from Europe and waning public
enthusiasm in Turkey. Thus Erdogan may not be capable of making a deal on
Cyprus, nor of making any progress on the southeast in the face of growing
hostility both to him and to the Kurds.

And yet while some hardline Turkish nationalists may want an
independent Northern Cyprus, and some radical Kurds may dream of an
independent Kurdistan, the fact is that neither Turkey's southeast, nor
Northern Cyprus has a realistic future as independent state.

In both cases the best hopes for an acceptable solution lie with a
continuation of Turkey's EU negotiations.

Much of the solution lies in Turkey's hands. If Turkey's government
and public stand up consistently for democracy and human rights - whether in
support of Turkish Cypriots or Turkey's Kurds - and against the undemocratic
political pronouncements of Turkey's military and nationalists, then it will
be hard for democratic European politicians to give in to their nationalists
and to suspend membership negotiations with Turkey.

Kirsty Hughes is a former senior fellow of the Centre for European
Policy Studies, Brussels.

The use of the term "Kurdistan" is vigorously rejected due to its
alleged political implications by the Republic of Turkey, which does not
recognize the existence of a "Turkish Kurdistan".

Others estimate as many as 40 million Kurds live in Big Kurdistan
(Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Armenia), which covers an area as big as France,
about half of all Kurds which estimate to 20 million live in Turkey.

The Kurdish flag flown officially in Iraqi Kurdistan but unofficially
flown by Kurds in Armenia. The flag is banned in Iran, Syria, and Turkey
where flying it is a criminal offence"

http://www.peyamner.com/

"Ali Asker", your propaganda with fabricated and manipulated news articles is not welcome here!

Where is the link (direct URL) to the original news article?

NETIQUETTE and POSTING RULES for soc.culture.turkish (SCT)
...
6) Posting of news articles etc.:
We had many fabricated and manipulated postings of
news articles in the past from some Armenian propagandists.
All postings of news articles MUST have at least
- a DIRECT link to the ORIGINAL article,
- full credit to the ORIGINAL copyright owner,
- full credit to the author,
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So we can quickly verify whether the article was manipulated.
And, mostly it suffices to post just a link to the original article
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If your questions are not answered in this FAQ below then let me know

# FAQ: KURDS IN TURKEY
#
# Version : 1.00b
# Last Change : 2006-Nov-10 by "Baba Bey"
# Initial compilation: 2006-Nov-9 by "Baba Bey"
# This is a private FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

The enemies of Turkey (esp. Armenians and Cyprus-Greeks) are spreading
propaganda lies on the net about Kurds in Turkey. Here's a collection
of the lies with answers given to them.

We Turks would be glad if more people come to Turkey and see
the situation of the Kurds with their own eyes.
Kurds have the same rights as every legal citizen of Turkey.

Unfortunately the southeast region is underdeveloped due to the PKK terror.
As is the case anywhere in the world, investors are cautious about investing
any money in unstable regions. Recently the region has stabilized much
more compared to last years. We hope this will last longer so more
investments by Turkish and foreign businessmen can be done in the
southeast Turkey. Turkey has set up for example the huge GAP
project to develop the eastern and southern regions. It has cost the
state billions of dollars and took many years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...atolia_Project
"The Southeastern Anatolia Project (Turkish: Güneydogu Anadolu Projesi, GAP)
is a multi-sector integrated regional effort aimed at a sustainable development
in the area. The GAP involves eight provinces in Southeastern Anatolia (Adiyaman,
Batman, Diyarbakir, Gaziantep, Siirt, Sanliurfa, Mardin, and Sirnak) which are
located in the basins of the Euphrates and Tigris and in Upper Mesopotamia.
..."

FYI: since most of the Q&A below are compiled verbatim from newsgroup
discussions there are unfortunately also some obscene words of these
enemies in their propaganda texts. There are also some dupe questions
I think. I'll try to clean these passages in a later version of this FAQ

For any comments/suggestions/fixes please reply under this thread in the NG, thx.


Here we go with the Questions/Statements & Answers:

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1) Kurds can not vote for their own political establishments
(they can't have their own political parties)

A: There are many Kurdish political parties in Turkey.
One of them has won more than 6% of the votes.

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2) What is the name of the Kurdish party?
Did they ever said "they would only protect the interest of the Kurdish people"

A: For example the political party DTP.
The DTP has mayors in 55 municipalities, most of them in
Southeastern Turkey densely inhabited by Kurds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Society_Party
http://www.dtpgm.org.tr/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Party_(Turkey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._organisations
Everybody can create a political party in Turkey.
It's up to the party what their goal is, how their program looks like.

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3) Describing some one as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.

A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes with
the PKK terrorist organization who killed many Turkish soldiers and civilians.

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4) Did you ever hear a Kurdish Parlementarian to say he is a Kurd
or did you ever witnessed them speaking in Kurdish even when
they are with the Kurds?

A: Yes, even in the House of Representatives (Turkish Grand
National Assembly, TBMM).
But that person was brought to court and then jailed,
as we cannot allow such seperatistic propaganda.
Nobody must violate the laws. If someone doesn't like a law
he/she has to change it democratically. If it fails because
they don't get enough support then they have to live with the law.
Otherwise they would act undemocratic.
This is of course the basic principle of any democracy, to look
for majorities to bring in a new law or to change an old law.

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5) This is exactly what I am trying to say. Your constitution is based on
fascist Italis constitution back in 1930's which is redesign by the Turkish
military back in 1980 military cerfew

A: Bullshit. Everybody can change the constitution if he/she
gets enough support in the parliament.
OTOH, why change it if it is good? Good things last long... :-)

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6) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public establishments.

A: The Turkish constitution says there is only one official language, Turkish.
If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.
Another language in education system does not make any sense.
It helps those looking for seperation. This of course cannot be in the interest of Turkey.
And it would cost the state much money and would lead to slow administration.

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7) According to Turkish constitution Kurds does not exist, no text in the
constitutin refers to Kurds or the minorities

A: It also does not mention the many other minorities.
Does the U.S. constitution mention each of the hundreds of minorites in the U.S. ?
Turkish Kurds are citizen of Turkey. They get a Turkish passport and ID card.

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8) So, if it is ok in the US then it should be ok in Turkey as well?
What kind of mentality is this?

A: (This guy hasn't understood my answer in #7. I don't know what
he means by "if it is ok in the US". He just makes word tricks
as usual by these blind propagandists. I guess he has forgotten
to put twice the word "not" in the first sentence, ie.
"So, if it is not ok in the US then it should be not ok in Turkey as well?" ).

The constitution already covers all minorities in Turkey.
If you want to change the constitution then convince the parliamenterian,
find a majority and just do it! You have the chance to do it!
I personally don't think it makes sense to have more than one official
language in a state; it's costing much and complicating administration.

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9) Kurds can not name their children if the name is not compatibale to Turkish

A: This is due the latin characters used in Turkey.
This is the same in the U.S.: can you name your kid say Ömer ?
No, you have to call him Omer, Oemer, or Omar... because
the US does not know the Ö character in their standard ASCII table.

FYI: the Turkish alphabet does not have these characters: W, w, Q, q, X, x

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10) Are you going to mis-spell all the European names?

A: Yes, for example in Germany many Turkish names are misspelled
because some Turkish characters are not available in German alphabet,
for example: Ç, G, I, S, ç, g, i, s
The reverse is true too, for example: ß, W, X, Q, q, w, x

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11) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds

A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.

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12) have you ever witnessed the censuses in the USA? If you did then you would
know that every single ethnicity is well noted and specially asked.

A: So, then what is your point?
The Turkish state tries to treat all people equal.
Are you asking for "race discrimination" be applied?

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13) Traditional Kurdish clothing is strictly banned in Turkey

A: Reference?

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14) Can you see any Kurdish dressed teachers, parlementarians
or the students in Turkey?

A: What on hell is "traditional Kurdish clothing"? :-)
And, what is your point?
Do you think it would make any sense if Erdogan, the leader of
the ruling religious party, to wear some arabic religious stuff (LOL! :-)?
He too would not be accepted by the public.
We have headscarf ban for state institutions, which is good for emancipating the women.
Most EU countries, and also many arabic countries, have this law too!
We need modern and free people for modernizing the country and the society.

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15) Kurds can not wave their own flag

A: LOL! Use the Turkish flag.

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16) Well, turkish flag does not represent the Kurdish people.

A: Sure does it. Kurds in Turkey are Turkish citizen.
There is no country named "Kurdistan", there is no Kurdish flag.
Citizens of Turkey are Turkish people and Turkish people are of course
represented by the Turkish flag, that's all.
If you want to create a land called "Kurdistan" then do it somewhere
else because on Turkish soil nobody is going to allow you this.
If you think otherwise than you are just dreaming. Nobody is going
to allow you this. Basta, finito, nyet, nada, forget it!

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17) and Kurdistan being called East and South east of Turkey!

A: LOL! There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil; it is TURKEY !

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18) Kurds are not allowed to have their own TV or Radio stations / programs

A: LIE! There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations in Turkey!

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19) Name me one single TV station or even a radio station broadcasts from Turkey!

A: "GÜN-TV", "SÖZ-TV", and many radio stations
See for example these articles:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...16A9DEE206.htm
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=24371
http://www.gunradyotv.com/index.php?...mid=32&lang=tr

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20) Kurds have every right to determine their own future without being
part of Turkish establishment!

A: Kurds are free to leave Turkey and go wherever they like!
Me personally thinks, we would be glad to have less of them.
...we should send them to the moon... :-)
But the reality is unfortunately that more and more Kurds
from Iran, Iraq, Syria are fleeing their countries and illegally coming to Turkey.
Most because of economic reasons; in Turkey they have better chances.
We have also about 70,000 illegal Armenians in Turkey from the neighbouring
Armenia, yes the same Armenia who is making propaganda against Turkey...

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21) Kurdish rights in Turkey completely ignored by Turkish government.

A: LIE! Kurds have the same rights as anybody else in Turkey.
They are nothing special to give them extra rights. It would
also be against our constitution to treat a group differently.

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22) Kurds are not allowed to speak their own language

A: Bullshit, you can speak any shit language you like.
But of course not in state buildings as the official language
of Turkey is of course only Turkish.
And: there are many Kurdish superstars in Turkey like
the singer Ibrahim Tatlises...

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23) Kurds are not allowed to learn their language

A: You can learn any shit language you like!
But in Turkish schools only Turkish is taught.
If you need other languages then go to a private school.
We can not afford other languages in state organizations.
We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
in school and state.
It is not in Turkey's interesst to support seperatists.
What we need is unification and simplification,
not dividing the people and complicating the things.

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24) Why not? People in Armenia, in Iraq, in Israel are allowed learn their
mother language wheather is Arabic, Kurdish or Hebrew in state schools!

A: On paper you mean.
Be so, it's their own problem, not ours. We in Turkey, together with
maybe 99% of the countries in the world have a different view on this.
We don't want have more than one official language in state.
And: as said, if you want to change this then you can do so; you just
need to get the necessary number of voters in the parliament...

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25) Every single EU country welcomes the minority languages. In Finland Swidish
people make up 5% of the population but every Finish government officers
need to know Swidish. Romanic people in Swiss make up 0.5% of the people but
Romanic is one of the 4 official languages in Switzerland!

A: Be so! It's their own stupidity! Not ours. WE Turks, together with maybe
99% of the other countries in the world, cannot afford such an idiocy!
Neither logically nor financially.
If you don't like this then try to change the law.
If changing the law is not possible because there are not much
supporters of this idiotic idea then you have to accept the current law.
Otherwise, if you don't accept or respect the law then it is YOU who
would behave anti-democratic!

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26) Kurdish identity is not recognised by the Turkish state

A: All citizen of Turkey are Turks, as much like all (legal) citizen
of the U.S. are U.S. citizens...
Kurds in Turkey have Turkish citizenship. Kurds in Iran have
Iranian citizenship etc. etc.
There are many minorities in Turkey, we treat them all equally:
We have Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, Arabs,
Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Pomaks, ...
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#Demographics
"
The legal use of the term "Turkish" (a citizen of Turkey) is different
from the ethnic definition. However, the majority of the Turkish
population are of Turkish ethnicity. Besides the minorities that
have legal status as defined and internationally recognized by the
Treaty of Lausanne; namely Greeks, Armenians and Jews;
ethnic groups include Abkhazians, Albanians, Arabs, Bosniaks,
Chechens, Circassians, Georgians, Hamshenis, Kabardin, Kurds,
Laz, Ossetians, Pomaks, Roma and Zazas ...

Though Turkish is the sole official language throughout Turkey,
broadcasts in local languages and dialects on State media outlets
include Arabic, Bosnian, Circassian and Kurdish.
"

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27) If you live in Turkey then you can not be an Arab, Iranian, Greek,
Armenian or Kurd you only have one option, which is to call yourself a
Turk (proud turk) and forget about your language, identity, or culture
if insisted then you face the genocide!

A: ROTFL! You propaganda liar! See above. There are many
minorities and foreigners living in Turkey. They are what they are.
It depends on their citizenship. Turkish Kurds are Turkish citizen.

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28: Politicians of Kurdish origin

A: There are about 70 politicians of Kurdish origin in the parliament (of total 575)

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29) Recognising Free Kurdistan which covers all four countries inc.
Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq,

A: Never! We don't need a Kurdish terror state in the Middle East.

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30) Turks are currently ethnically cleansing Kurds from the east and
southeast of turkey (North Kurdistan) to create ethnically pure Turks
in their country.

A: ROTFL!
Whom do you think you can convince with such lies, Armenian idiot?!
We have the problem of a terror organization in Turkey, PKK,
funded by some enemies of Turkey (Armenia, SouthCyprus etc.)
Much like the ETA in Spain or the IRA in England.

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31) 15 to 20 million Kurds in turkey can not speak their own language, can
not have their own TV or Radio stations, can not play or sing their own
songs, Kurds can not give Kurdish names to their own children, Kurdish
lands are called east and south-east turkey instead of Kurdistan.

A: That's all lies. See above.
There are many Kurdish singer superstars like Ibrahim Tatlises in Turkey.
There are many Kurdish TV and radio stations.
But: in state schools only Turkish is taught. We can not afford other
languages in state organizations.
We cannot afford things which are not possible even in nearly all
of the EU countries. Because otherwise it would lead to an unmanagable
state, then also the other minorities would demand the same right.
So, the best solution is to have just one official language, Turkish,
in the school system.

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32) You see, you son of a DOG still calling the PKK a terrorist organisation!

A: The son of a DOG must be yourself, you obscene Armenian P.O.S.!
PKK is a worldwide outlawed terrorist organization! It is listed in
terrorist lists of nearly all countries of the world, except Armenia and SouthCyprus...
PKK is a proscribed terrorist organization! Proof:
Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK, DHKP-C) is
listed in the following terrorist lists:
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/securit...scribed-groups
http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp
http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html
http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listslatest.html
http://www.esrcheck.com/articles/art...PatriotAct.htm
You are NOT allowed to make glorification ads for such criminal organizations!

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33) Turks and Turkish establisment is the biggest terrorists this world ever seen!

A: ROTFL! :-)))
Is it because we captured PKK head Abdullah Öcalan and imprisoned him? :-)
You poor losers!...

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34) You Turks here are brained washed with same fascistic, religious and militaristic ideas!

A: It's you and your braindamaged "friends" who are brainwashed and have fascistic,
racistic, militarist ideas, not the Turks. You are even making propaganda for the
terror organization PKK... Turks don't support PKK terrorist, but you and your
propaganda friends from Armenia, SouthCyprus and Greece do so.

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35) recognize the Armenian genocide.

A: There was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!
Why are you endlessly asking this?
We will not in a million years change our mind! Because
there was no genocide, only a deportation of Armenians who
collaborated with the Russian and French enemy in WWI. PERIOD!

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36) Orhan Pamuk did it....

A: ROTFL! :-)
He is just a 3rd class novellist; neither an academician nor an historian!
He was paid by the Armenians.
Can you give a link to his allegedly work on this theme?

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37) Or have you started recognizing the Armenian Genocide lately,

A: There is nothing to recognize, dumbo! PERIOD!
It was the Armenians who committed genocide crimes against
Turks and others by ethnically cleansing the region for their
promised independent "Greater Armenia", promised mainly by France and Russia.
In 1915 during WWI we Turks have deported them from the region
since they were collaborating with the Russian enemy.

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38) Describing someone as a Kurd is a big sin in Turkey.

A: LIE! Of course people will not like a Kurd who sympathizes
with the PKK terrorist organization.

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39) Kurdish language can not be used in education or in any public
establishments.

A: The Turkish constition says there is only one language.
If you want to change this then try it politically in the parliament.

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40) Kurds can not refer to their villages, forests, mountains, rivers,
county, districts etc, with their Kurdish names

A: Simply because these locations already have a Turkish name.
Kurds in Turkey belong to Turkey, so they have to use the official names.

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41) Kurds can not call their region as Kurdistan

A: Simply because it is TURKEY !

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42) Kurds can not serve as police officers, teachers or any other public
services in their own counties.

A: Bullshit!
If the Kurdish policeman sympatizes with the PKK then of course he/she will no longer be...
If the Kurdish teacher does not follow the regulations of the Ministry
of Education (MEB) then of course he/she will no longer be...
And, many mayors in southeast Turkey are Kurdish origin.

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43) Kurds can not be counted in the censuses as Kurds

A: They are counted as Turkish citizen.
Same procedure like in the US or everywhere else.

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44) Carrying or holding any map which showing the Kurdistan is punishable

A: There is no "Kurdistan" on Turkish soil (funny imagination) and
you cannot show wrong maps. This is like showing a U.S. map where Alaska
is shown as belonging to the Canadians or to the Russians...

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LastQ: This is all I can remember so far!

LastA: As can be seen, about 95% of what the propagandists say
is just simple LIE, and the rest is just BULLSHIT aka wishful thinking,
as could be seen above...




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PROOF: Manipulation of News Articles by the Armenian propaganda poster "Ali Asker"

Here is the proof that the Armenian "Ali Asker" has manipulated
news articles from the BBC and posted it to 10 big newsgroups on the Usenet:

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF "ALI ASKER":

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# ntli.net!news.highwinds-media.com!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe6-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!
# 53ab2750!not-for-mail
#From: "Ali Asker" <[email protected]>
#Newsgroups: alt.politics.greens,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt. security.terrorism,
# soc.culture.british,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture .german,soc.culture.kurdish,
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#NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:31:44 BST
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#Kurd unrest escalates in Turkey
#
#
#Hundreds of Kurdish youths have clashed with Turkish police in the town of
#Batman, in a third day of street violence in south-eastern Turkey.
#
#Two thousand riot police used tear gas against the protesters, who threw
#stones and petrol bombs.
#
#The protesters set fire to a bank and built barricades of flaming car tyres.
#
#The violence started in the city of Diyarbakir on Tuesday after the funerals
#of 14 Kurdish rebel fighters killed by security forces.
#
#Thousands gathered on Thursday at a cemetery in Diyarbakir for the funeral
#of three people killed during the week's street violence.
#
#Fresh fighting erupted in the city after the funeral, with some mourners
#pelting police with stones, prompting volleys of tear gas and warning shots
#from them.
#
#At least 250 people have been injured in the protests so far - more than
#half of them police officers, Turkish officials say.
#
#In nearby Batman, an estimated 200,000 people were taking part in a protest
#march when the unrest broke out.
#
#Correspondents say these are the worst street clashes in the region for many
#years.
#
#In Diyarbakir mourners held flags of the outlawed separatist Kurdistan
#Workers' Party (PKK), which called off a unilateral ceasefire almost two
#years ago.
#
#The authorities have reinforced the number of riot police and armoured
#personnel carriers in the city's streets.
#
#
# http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4860154.stm


AND THIS IS THE ORIGINAL NEWS ARTICLE FROM BBC:

#Kurd unrest escalates in Turkey
#
#
#Hundreds of Kurdish youths have clashed with Turkish police in the town of
#Batman, in a third day of street violence in south-eastern Turkey.
#
#Two thousand riot police used tear gas against the protesters, who threw
#stones and petrol bombs.
#
#The protesters set fire to a bank and built barricades of flaming car tyres.
#
#The violence started in the city of Diyarbakir on Tuesday after the funerals
#of 14 Kurdish rebel fighters killed by security forces.
#
#Thousands gathered on Thursday at a cemetery in Diyarbakir for the funeral
#of three people killed during the week's street violence.
#
#Fresh fighting erupted in the city after the funeral, with some mourners
#pelting police with stones, prompting volleys of tear gas and warning shots
#from them.
#
#At least 250 people have been injured in the protests so far - more than
#half of them police officers, Turkish officials say.
#
#In nearby Batman, an estimated 2,000 people were taking part in a protest march
#when the unrest broke out.
#
#Correspondents say these are the worst street clashes in the region for many
#years.
#
#In Diyarbakir mourners held flags of the outlawed separatist Kurdistan
#Workers' Party (PKK), which called off a unilateral ceasefire almost two
#years ago.
#
#The authorities have reinforced the number of riot police and armoured
#personnel carriers in the city's streets.
#
#Story from BBC NEWS:
#http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4860154.stm
#http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/4860154.stm
#Published: 2006/03/30 16:22:33 GMT
#© BBC MMVI


The manipulation is that in original it reads
"In nearby Batman, an estimated 2,000 people were taking part in a protest march"

whereas in "Ali Asker"'s posting it reads
"In nearby Batman, an estimated 200,000 people were taking part in a protest march"

One must ask why he does such blatant manipulations.
Dear community, please judge yourself on what might "Ali Asker"'s goal be when
he does such manipulations to news articles we see countlessly from this guy
in many newsgroups. Ask yourself: does this have anything to do with the truth,
or the ethics of journalism?

Here you can find all postings of and about "Ali Asker":
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...er&qt_s=Search

For the above illegal action he was reported to the Abuse Dept
of his ISP/NSP at http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/

My advice to all democratic thinking people:
Nobody should accept such manipulations of the truth, and therefore always
should report "Ali Asker" for each and any of his manipulated and unlawful postings.

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Blahblah Bey, the lobotomized Turk, writes:

> "Ali Asker", your propaganda with fabricated and manipulated news articles is not welcome here!
>
> Where is the link (direct URL) to the original news article?
>
> NETIQUETTE and POSTING RULES for soc.culture.turkish (SCT)
> ...
> 6) Posting of news articles etc.:

LMAO!!!! Poor Turkey! Poor Turks! Being "represented" by such a brain
damaged idiot!!!

1. Get this, you primitive hoodlum: you seem not to be welcome ANYWHERE on
Usenet! <G>

2. You are OBVIOUSLY too dumb to look up the link for yourself!

3. There are NO posting rules for soc.culture.turkish!!! If so, who set
them up? Point out the idiot who thought he could set up posting rules for
sct!!! I bet it was nobody else but YOU primitive fascist pig!!!

LOL!