Experts voorspellen uiteenfal van Rusland

Piet07 · 6 augustus 2009, 15:59

All this Republics have their own presidents, own national flag, own parliaments, hymn and all other things that an independent state needs. These republics are not Russian linguistically, they have their own culture, traditions and religion.

Full independence for Russian colonies:

The Adygea Republic
The Tatarstan Republic
The Chechnya Republic
The Dagestan Republic
The North Ossetia
The Bashkortostan Republic
The Karelia Republic
The Altai Republic
The Kabardino-Balkaria
The Buryatia Republic
The Chuvash Rebublic
The Ingushetia Republic
The Kalmykia Republic
The Karachayevo-Circassian Republic
The Khakasia Republic
The Komi Republic
The Mari Republic
The Mordovian Republic
The Sakha Republic (Yakutia)
The Tyva Republic
The Udmurtia Republic

THEY DREAM ABOUT IT EVERY DAY.

It is only Putin's bloody regime, that does not tolerate freedom
of speech, makes them afraid to speak about this.
These republics are in fact independent, they are not
Russians and never want to be. Chechnya for example has
already issued a declaration of independence, that is one
step away recognition. How cynical can you be to demand
independence for regions in Georgia and not to allow this
for republics in Russia.

Johan Bollen · 6 augustus 2009, 16:11

De natte droom van het verdelen en heersen

Piet07 · 6 augustus 2009, 16:45

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

De natte droom van het verdelen en heersen

Ben je een Rus?

Piet07 · 6 augustus 2009, 16:46

The bear is back. That's what all too many Russia-watchers have been
saying since Russian troops steamrolled Georgia in August, warning that
the country's strongman, Vladimir Putin, was clawing his way back
toward superpower status.

The new Russia's resurgence has been fueled -- quite literally -- by
windfall profits from gas and oil, a big jump in defense spending and
the cocky attitude on such display during the mauling of Georgia, its
U.S.-backed neighbor to the south. Many now believe that the powerful
Russian bear of the Cold War years is coming out of hibernation.

Not so fast, writes Professor Murray Feshbach in his extensive article in the "Washington Post", and then points out:

Predictions that Russia will again become powerful, rich and
influential ignore some simply devastating problems at home that block
any march to power. Sure, Russia's army could take tiny Georgia. But
Putin's military is still in tatters, armed with rusting weaponry and
staffed with indifferent recruits. Meanwhile, a declining population is
robbing the military of a new generation of soldiers. Russia's economy
is almost totally dependent on the price of oil.

And, worst of all, it's facing a public health crisis that verges on the catastrophic.

To be sure, the skylines of Russia's cities are chock-a-block with
cranes. Industrial lofts are now the rage in Moscow, Russian tourists
crowd far-flung locales from Thailand to the Caribbean, and Russian
moguls are snapping up real estate and art in London almost as quickly
as their oil-rich counterparts from the Persian Gulf. But behind the
shiny surface, Russian society may actually be weaker than it was even
during Soviet times. The Kremlin's recent military adventures and tough
talk are the bluster of the frail, not the swagger of the strong.

While Russia has capitalized impressively on its oil industry, the
volatility of the world oil market means that Putin cannot count on a
long-term pipeline of cash flowing from high oil prices. A predicted
drop of about one-third in the price of a barrel of oil will surely
constrain Putin's ability to carry out his ambitious agendas, both
foreign and domestic.

That makes Moscow's announced plan to boost defense spending by close
to 26 percent in 2009 -- in order to fully re-arm its military with
state-of-the-art weaponry -- a dicey proposition. What the world saw in
Georgia was a badly outdated arsenal, one that would take many years to
replace -- even assuming the country could afford the $ 200 billion
cost.

Something even larger is blocking Russia's march. Recent decades, most
notably since the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, have seen an
appalling deterioration in the health of the Russian population,
anchoring Russia not in the forefront of developed countries but among
the most backward of nations.

This is a tragedy of huge proportions -- but not a particularly
surprising one, at least to me. I followed population, health and
environmental issues in the Soviet Union for decades, and more
recently, I have reported on diseases such as the HIV/AIDS epidemic
ravaging the Russian population. I've visited Russia more than 50 times
over the years, so I can say from firsthand experience that this
national calamity isn't happening suddenly. It's happening inexorably.

According to U.N. figures, the average life expectancy for a Russian
man is 59 years -- putting the country at about 166th place in the
world longevity sweepstakes, one notch above Gambia. For women, the
picture is somewhat rosier: They can expect to live, on average, 73
years, barely beating out the Moldovans. But there are still some 126
countries where they could expect to live longer. And the gap between
expected longevity for men and for women -- 14 years -- is the largest
in the developed world.

So what's killing the Russians? All the usual suspects -- HIV/AIDS,
tuberculosis, alcoholism, cancer, cardiovascular and circulatory
diseases, suicides, smoking, traffic accidents -- but they occur in
alarmingly large numbers, and Moscow has neither the resources nor the
will to stem the tide. Consider this:

* Three times as many Russians die from heart-related illnesses as do Americans or Europeans, per each 100,000 people.

* Tuberculosis deaths in Russia are about triple
the World Health Organization's definition of an epidemic, which is
based on a new-case rate of 50 cases per 100,000 people.

* Average alcohol consumption per capita is double the rate the WHO considers dangerous to one's health.

* About 1 million people in Russia have been
diagnosed with HIV or AIDS, according to WHO estimates. Using mid-year
figures, it's estimated that 25 percent more new HIV/AIDS cases will be
recorded this year than were logged in 2007.

And none of this is likely to get better any time soon. Peter Piot, the
head of UNAIDS, the U.N. agency created in response to the epidemic,
told a press conference this summer that he is "very pessimistic about
what is going on in Russia and Eastern Europe . . . where there is the
least progress."

This should be all the more worrisome because young people are most at
risk in Russia. In the United States and Western Europe, 70 percent of
those with HIV/AIDS are men over age 30; in Russia, 80 percent of this
group are aged 15 to 29. And although injected-drug users represent
about 65 percent of Russia's cases, the country has officially rejected
methadone as a treatment, even though it would likely reduce the
potential for HIV infections that lead to AIDS.

And then there's tuberculosis -- remember tuberculosis? In the United
States, with a population of 303 million, 650 people died of the
disease in 2007. In Russia, which has a total of 142 million people, an
astonishing 24,000 of them died of tuberculosis in 2007. Can it
possibly be coincidental that, according to Gennady Onishchenko, the
country's chief public health physician, only 9 percent of Russian TB
hospitals meet current hygienic standards, 21 percent lack either hot
or cold running water, 11 percent lack a sewer system, and 20 percent
have a shortage of TB drugs? Hardly.

On the other end of the lifeline, the news isn't much better. Russia's
birth rate has been declining for more than a decade, and even a recent
increase in births will be limited by the fact that the number of women
age 20 to 29 (those responsible for two-thirds of all babies) will drop
markedly in the next four or five years to mirror the 50 percent drop
in the birth rate in the late 1980s and the 1990s. And, sadly, the
health of Russia's newborns is quite poor, with about 70 percent of
them experiencing complications at birth.

Last summer, Piot of UNAIDS said that bringing Russia's HIV/AIDS
epidemic under control was "a matter of political leadership and of
changing the policy." He might just as well have been talking about the
much larger public health crisis that threatens this vast country.
But the policies seem unlikely to change as the bear lumbers along,
driven by disastrously misplaced priorities and the blindingly
unrealistic expectations of a resentment-driven political leadership.
Moscow remains bent on ignoring the devastating truth: The nation is
not just sick but dying.

Murray +Feshbach is a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson
International Center for Scholars and a research professor emeritus at
Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service.+

Bertie · 6 augustus 2009, 16:58

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Piet07

All this Republics have their own presidents, own national flag, own parliaments, hymn and all other things that an independent state needs. These republics are not Russian linguistically, they have their own culture, traditions and religion.

Full independence for Russian colonies:

The Adygea Republic
The Tatarstan Republic
The Chechnya Republic
The Dagestan Republic
The North Ossetia
The Bashkortostan Republic
The Karelia Republic
The Altai Republic
The Kabardino-Balkaria
The Buryatia Republic
The Chuvash Rebublic
The Ingushetia Republic
The Kalmykia Republic
The Karachayevo-Circassian Republic
The Khakasia Republic
The Komi Republic
The Mari Republic
The Mordovian Republic
The Sakha Republic (Yakutia)
The Tyva Republic
The Udmurtia Republic

THEY DREAM ABOUT IT EVERY DAY.

It is only Putin's bloody regime, that does not tolerate freedom
of speech, makes them afraid to speak about this.
These republics are in fact independent, they are not
Russians and never want to be. Chechnya for example has
already issued a declaration of independence, that is one
step away recognition. How cynical can you be to demand
independence for regions in Georgia and not to allow this
for republics in Russia.

Bullshit

Zelfs de allergrootsten, Genghis Khan en zijn Mongoolse (later Turkse) horden is het niet gelukt om Rusland te vernietigen.

God staat aan de kant van Rusland.

Johan Bollen · 6 augustus 2009, 17:05

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Piet07

Ben je een Rus?

Nee, gewoon een tegenstander van propaganda.

Ik zeg niet dat het onmogelijk is dat Rusland uit elkaar valt ooit. Hetzelfde kan China, de VS of Europa overkomen.

Johan Bollen · 6 augustus 2009, 17:06

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bertie

God staat aan de kant van Rusland.

Volgens Bob Dylan staat ie ergens anders

kelt · 6 augustus 2009, 17:17

Net zoals er "experts" zijn die het uiteenvallen van de Verenigde Staten verwachten....er worden tussen de 6 en de 8 mogelijke "entiteiten" genoemd..

Het moment dat de dollar definitief in elkaar klapt,het moment dat de VS-regering uiteindelijk veel zwaardere taksen zal moeten heffen om zijn recente "ondersteuning van de vrije markt" te bekostigen,dat zou het moment zijn dat staten afscheuren.

Texas bijvoorbeeld heeft niks en niemand nodig,en is altijd al een beetje "averechts" geweest...Florida daarentegen leeft feitelijk van pensioenen die vanuit andere staten doorgestort worden naar hun oudjes uit het Noorden die tot de dood erop volgt zijn komen wonen in Florida, en van federale steunmaatregelen, en zou dan mooi "trouw" blijven....tesamen met nog wat sukkelstaatjes..

De New-England-States (zeg van Delaware tot Maine) plus eventueel de Oostelijke Canadese Staten zouden een losse alliantie vormen...

De zwaar getroffen mid-west staten (Ohio,Michigan,...-),economisch geruineerd door de vernietiging van hun industriele weefsel moeten dan maar voor zichzelf zorgen,en zouden dan letterlijk leeg lopen...

Californie wordt dan het bankroete "Pacific Paradise",onafhankelijk door armoede

ach...dromen...

Bertie · 6 augustus 2009, 17:19

Christelijk Rusland is onvernitigbaar.

Atheisten hebben het geprobeerd - ze hebben er het beste van gegeven maar het is spectaculair mislukt

Bertie · 6 augustus 2009, 17:26

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kelt

Net zoals er "experts" zijn die het uiteenvallen van de Verenigde Staten verwachten....er worden tussen de 6 en de 8 mogelijke "entiteiten" genoemd..

In bepaalde kringen wordt zelfs het spoedige uiteenvallen van Belgie voorzien...

Tegenwoordig gaan de Vlamingen ook meer en meer de Nederlandse toer op (minder God, meer decadentie). Ze denken dat Hij nu niet meer nodig is - duidelijk verwend door de recentelijk verworven rijkdom.

Nr.10 · 6 augustus 2009, 18:08

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bertie

Christelijk Rusland

Wat is christelijk Rusland?

Omar Torrijos · 6 augustus 2009, 19:33

Het is gewoon diep en diep triestig hoe Rusland met haar onderdanen omgaat.. De boel dan nog eens uiteen doen vallen in kleinere, nog corrupteren brol zoals Transdjnestrië bv., , Moldavië, dat onooglijke Zuid-Ossetië.. en alle andere Eastern Eurodumps die staan te springen om hier binnen te geraken..

6 augustus 2009, 15:59	#1
Piet07 Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 30 november 2006 Locatie: Maastricht Berichten: 90	Experts voorspellen uiteenfal van Rusland All this Republics have their own presidents, own national flag, own parliaments, hymn and all other things that an independent state needs. These republics are not Russian linguistically, they have their own culture, traditions and religion. Full independence for Russian colonies: The Adygea Republic The Tatarstan Republic The Chechnya Republic The Dagestan Republic The North Ossetia The Bashkortostan Republic The Karelia Republic The Altai Republic The Kabardino-Balkaria The Buryatia Republic The Chuvash Rebublic The Ingushetia Republic The Kalmykia Republic The Karachayevo-Circassian Republic The Khakasia Republic The Komi Republic The Mari Republic The Mordovian Republic The Sakha Republic (Yakutia) The Tyva Republic The Udmurtia Republic THEY DREAM ABOUT IT EVERY DAY. It is only Putin's bloody regime, that does not tolerate freedom of speech, makes them afraid to speak about this. These republics are in fact independent, they are not Russians and never want to be. Chechnya for example has already issued a declaration of independence, that is one step away recognition. How cynical can you be to demand independence for regions in Georgia and not to allow this for republics in Russia.

6 augustus 2009, 17:17	#8
kelt Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 29 juli 2004 Berichten: 35.588	Net zoals er "experts" zijn die het uiteenvallen van de Verenigde Staten verwachten....er worden tussen de 6 en de 8 mogelijke "entiteiten" genoemd.. Het moment dat de dollar definitief in elkaar klapt,het moment dat de VS-regering uiteindelijk veel zwaardere taksen zal moeten heffen om zijn recente "ondersteuning van de vrije markt" te bekostigen,dat zou het moment zijn dat staten afscheuren. Texas bijvoorbeeld heeft niks en niemand nodig,en is altijd al een beetje "averechts" geweest...Florida daarentegen leeft feitelijk van pensioenen die vanuit andere staten doorgestort worden naar hun oudjes uit het Noorden die tot de dood erop volgt zijn komen wonen in Florida, en van federale steunmaatregelen, en zou dan mooi "trouw" blijven....tesamen met nog wat sukkelstaatjes.. De New-England-States (zeg van Delaware tot Maine) plus eventueel de Oostelijke Canadese Staten zouden een losse alliantie vormen... De zwaar getroffen mid-west staten (Ohio,Michigan,...-),economisch geruineerd door de vernietiging van hun industriele weefsel moeten dan maar voor zichzelf zorgen,en zouden dan letterlijk leeg lopen... Californie wordt dan het bankroete "Pacific Paradise",onafhankelijk door armoede ach...dromen... Laatst gewijzigd door kelt : 6 augustus 2009 om 17:26.

6 augustus 2009, 16:11	#2
Johan Bollen Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 11 januari 2008 Locatie: La Paz - Lanaken Berichten: 23.618	De natte droom van het verdelen en heersen

6 augustus 2009, 16:46	#4
Piet07 Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 30 november 2006 Locatie: Maastricht Berichten: 90	The bear is back. That's what all too many Russia-watchers have been saying since Russian troops steamrolled Georgia in August, warning that the country's strongman, Vladimir Putin, was clawing his way back toward superpower status. The new Russia's resurgence has been fueled -- quite literally -- by windfall profits from gas and oil, a big jump in defense spending and the cocky attitude on such display during the mauling of Georgia, its U.S.-backed neighbor to the south. Many now believe that the powerful Russian bear of the Cold War years is coming out of hibernation. Not so fast, writes Professor Murray Feshbach in his extensive article in the "Washington Post", and then points out: Predictions that Russia will again become powerful, rich and influential ignore some simply devastating problems at home that block any march to power. Sure, Russia's army could take tiny Georgia. But Putin's military is still in tatters, armed with rusting weaponry and staffed with indifferent recruits. Meanwhile, a declining population is robbing the military of a new generation of soldiers. Russia's economy is almost totally dependent on the price of oil. And, worst of all, it's facing a public health crisis that verges on the catastrophic. To be sure, the skylines of Russia's cities are chock-a-block with cranes. Industrial lofts are now the rage in Moscow, Russian tourists crowd far-flung locales from Thailand to the Caribbean, and Russian moguls are snapping up real estate and art in London almost as quickly as their oil-rich counterparts from the Persian Gulf. But behind the shiny surface, Russian society may actually be weaker than it was even during Soviet times. The Kremlin's recent military adventures and tough talk are the bluster of the frail, not the swagger of the strong. While Russia has capitalized impressively on its oil industry, the volatility of the world oil market means that Putin cannot count on a long-term pipeline of cash flowing from high oil prices. A predicted drop of about one-third in the price of a barrel of oil will surely constrain Putin's ability to carry out his ambitious agendas, both foreign and domestic. That makes Moscow's announced plan to boost defense spending by close to 26 percent in 2009 -- in order to fully re-arm its military with state-of-the-art weaponry -- a dicey proposition. What the world saw in Georgia was a badly outdated arsenal, one that would take many years to replace -- even assuming the country could afford the $ 200 billion cost. Something even larger is blocking Russia's march. Recent decades, most notably since the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, have seen an appalling deterioration in the health of the Russian population, anchoring Russia not in the forefront of developed countries but among the most backward of nations. This is a tragedy of huge proportions -- but not a particularly surprising one, at least to me. I followed population, health and environmental issues in the Soviet Union for decades, and more recently, I have reported on diseases such as the HIV/AIDS epidemic ravaging the Russian population. I've visited Russia more than 50 times over the years, so I can say from firsthand experience that this national calamity isn't happening suddenly. It's happening inexorably. According to U.N. figures, the average life expectancy for a Russian man is 59 years -- putting the country at about 166th place in the world longevity sweepstakes, one notch above Gambia. For women, the picture is somewhat rosier: They can expect to live, on average, 73 years, barely beating out the Moldovans. But there are still some 126 countries where they could expect to live longer. And the gap between expected longevity for men and for women -- 14 years -- is the largest in the developed world. So what's killing the Russians? All the usual suspects -- HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, alcoholism, cancer, cardiovascular and circulatory diseases, suicides, smoking, traffic accidents -- but they occur in alarmingly large numbers, and Moscow has neither the resources nor the will to stem the tide. Consider this: * Three times as many Russians die from heart-related illnesses as do Americans or Europeans, per each 100,000 people. * Tuberculosis deaths in Russia are about triple the World Health Organization's definition of an epidemic, which is based on a new-case rate of 50 cases per 100,000 people. * Average alcohol consumption per capita is double the rate the WHO considers dangerous to one's health. * About 1 million people in Russia have been diagnosed with HIV or AIDS, according to WHO estimates. Using mid-year figures, it's estimated that 25 percent more new HIV/AIDS cases will be recorded this year than were logged in 2007. And none of this is likely to get better any time soon. Peter Piot, the head of UNAIDS, the U.N. agency created in response to the epidemic, told a press conference this summer that he is "very pessimistic about what is going on in Russia and Eastern Europe . . . where there is the least progress." This should be all the more worrisome because young people are most at risk in Russia. In the United States and Western Europe, 70 percent of those with HIV/AIDS are men over age 30; in Russia, 80 percent of this group are aged 15 to 29. And although injected-drug users represent about 65 percent of Russia's cases, the country has officially rejected methadone as a treatment, even though it would likely reduce the potential for HIV infections that lead to AIDS. And then there's tuberculosis -- remember tuberculosis? In the United States, with a population of 303 million, 650 people died of the disease in 2007. In Russia, which has a total of 142 million people, an astonishing 24,000 of them died of tuberculosis in 2007. Can it possibly be coincidental that, according to Gennady Onishchenko, the country's chief public health physician, only 9 percent of Russian TB hospitals meet current hygienic standards, 21 percent lack either hot or cold running water, 11 percent lack a sewer system, and 20 percent have a shortage of TB drugs? Hardly. On the other end of the lifeline, the news isn't much better. Russia's birth rate has been declining for more than a decade, and even a recent increase in births will be limited by the fact that the number of women age 20 to 29 (those responsible for two-thirds of all babies) will drop markedly in the next four or five years to mirror the 50 percent drop in the birth rate in the late 1980s and the 1990s. And, sadly, the health of Russia's newborns is quite poor, with about 70 percent of them experiencing complications at birth. Last summer, Piot of UNAIDS said that bringing Russia's HIV/AIDS epidemic under control was "a matter of political leadership and of changing the policy." He might just as well have been talking about the much larger public health crisis that threatens this vast country. But the policies seem unlikely to change as the bear lumbers along, driven by disastrously misplaced priorities and the blindingly unrealistic expectations of a resentment-driven political leadership. Moscow remains bent on ignoring the devastating truth: The nation is not just sick but dying. Murray +Feshbach is a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a research professor emeritus at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service.+

6 augustus 2009, 17:19	#9
Bertie Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 29 november 2007 Berichten: 1.640	Christelijk Rusland is onvernitigbaar. Atheisten hebben het geprobeerd - ze hebben er het beste van gegeven maar het is spectaculair mislukt

6 augustus 2009, 19:33	#12
Omar Torrijos Banneling Geregistreerd: 14 juni 2009 Locatie: Bij uw moeder Berichten: 504	Het is gewoon diep en diep triestig hoe Rusland met haar onderdanen omgaat.. De boel dan nog eens uiteen doen vallen in kleinere, nog corrupteren brol zoals Transdjnestrië bv., , Moldavië, dat onooglijke Zuid-Ossetië.. en alle andere Eastern Eurodumps die staan te springen om hier binnen te geraken..