A Simple Question

[Israëlisch]

I read a small news flash from Reuters about Darfur:

Clashes in west Sudan's Darfur region cost almost 600 lives in May, the highest monthly death toll since peacekeepers were deployed in 2008, according to a UN-African Union document seen by AFP.

My question is simple: Why?
Why people that presenting themselves as peace activists care about a conflict that has already peace talks in the process?

Why does human rights people are bothered with right for free passage when the right of living is taken a way hundreds of time more in other places in the world?

Why is there such an obsessive dealing with what ever happen in Israel?

Why is the fact that 9 people are dead is more important that the fact that 600 people died? are there lives are more valuable then the 600 who died in Darfur?

Is it religion?
Is it good old anti antisemitism?
Is it the media to be blamed?
Is it geographical location?
Is it History?

* I know this post is a bit naive but I will still try because this question is really puzzling for me as an Israeli.

[Cdude]

Nice try so called "democratic" murderer.

[TheHunter]

Probably because Israel presents itself as a liberal state, one that cares about human rights, ... etc and have close ties with us in Europe while at the same time they keep comitting authrocities.

The same question can be asked why 9/11 had such a huge impact on our lives while many more people died in the meantime at other places. Because it's something we can relate to. Many perceive Israel as a European country... or atleast something that resembles it. So yes people will be more shocked when they violate human rights, kill innocent people than when something like that happens in Sudan.

[Francientje]

1.How about good old fashioned envy? Israel is, compared to the other countries in the
neighbourhood, a success story.
2. Good old antisemitism. (I didn't really believe in it till some year ago when we wanted to buy a house, advertised in a magazine. I phoned the seller. Everything went well till I told him our name . He said: 'I am sorry, madam but I don't want to do business with people like you.'
3. Israel is bad when it comes down to public relations. Even and maybe
especially with people defending her. We need personalized help and guidance. Most of us do not get it. We just muddle on.
4. The Arabs are very good at public relations.
5. Big muslim populations in Europe. Everybody and especially the left wants their vote but nobody really wants to spend lots of money to get that vote. Israel bashing should do this, so the the left and the extreme left thinks.

there is more but for now it will have to do.

Shalom

[Francientje]

Goede P.R.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni...aspx?id=177762

This sort of article, filled with facts, should be sent to all Israel supporters.
Much better than most of the Hasbara drivel.

[Cdude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Francientje

Goede P.R.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni...aspx?id=177762

This sort of article, filled with facts, should be sent to all Israel supporters.
Much better than most of the Hasbara drivel.

en zo simpel is het

• Ensuring the smooth flow of affordable petroleum products from the region

• Preventing the most radical regimes, substate and non-state actors from acquiring the means to cause catastrophic harm

• Maintaining its capacity to project its power in the region

OIL AND POWER.

Mensenlevens en mensrechten? WHO CARES !!

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

Nice try so called "democratic" murderer.

Still you gave no answer! I understand you have non?

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TheHunter

Probably because Israel presents itself as a liberal state, one that cares about human rights, ... etc and have close ties with us in Europe while at the same time they keep comitting authrocities.

The same question can be asked why 9/11 had such a huge impact on our lives while many more people died in the meantime at other places. Because it's something we can relate to. Many perceive Israel as a European country... or atleast something that resembles it. So yes people will be more shocked when they violate human rights, kill innocent people than when something like that happens in Sudan.

Is it all about relating to the issue?
How can you say people do not relate to the deaths of 600 people?
If the media would have covered the story of Darfur as it cover the situation in Israel do you think people would relate to it still the same way?
The whole story of "human rights" is about humans, Does not matter of which color religious or race.
People still hear about atrocities in other parts of the world. and still they do not care.

[Cdude]

Why is the fact that 9 people are dead is more important that the fact that 600 people died?

Because they got killed by a so called civilized democracy.
2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

You are trying to move the attention away but it ain't gonna work.
The subject is Israel, the murderous religious state.

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TheHunter

Probably because Israel presents itself as a liberal state, one that cares about human rights, ... etc and have close ties with us in Europe while at the same time they keep comitting authrocities.

The same question can be asked why 9/11 had such a huge impact on our lives while many more people died in the meantime at other places. Because it's something we can relate to. Many perceive Israel as a European country... or atleast something that resembles it. So yes people will be more shocked when they violate human rights, kill innocent people than when something like that happens in Sudan.

PS, Can you really compare the atrocities of Darfur genocide to what ever Israel does here?
In Sri Lankan between 80-100 thousend ppl died, and still who heard about it here? no one!
In Darfur another 300,000?
Were are the proportions?

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

Because they got killed by a so called civilized democracy.
2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

You are trying to move the attention away but it ain't gonna work.
The subject is Israel, the murderous religious state.

Look at the topic, the subject here is why are you obsessed with Israel? Simple ha...

Regarding your comment, that means that if Israel would be a dark regime then you will not care about the Palestinians?
There is wrong and the is more wrong, All I want to know here is were does the obsession comes from? from the fact that we are democracy?

PS
Didn't you wrote already a few times that Israel is not a democracy???

[Cdude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

PS, Can you really compare the atrocities of Darfur genocide to what ever Israel does here?
In Sri Lankan between 80-100 thousend ppl died, and still who heard about it here? no one!
In Darfur another 300,000?
Were are the proportions?

Good point.
Using that logic I could state that the 6 million Holocaust victims are less important when compared to the 20 million other casualties of WWII.

[ShoshannaKimberley]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

I read a small news flash from Reuters about Darfur:


My question is simple: Why?
Why people that presenting themselves as peace activists care about a conflict that has already peace talks in the process?

Why does human rights people are bothered with right for free passage when the right of living is taken a way hundreds of time more in other places in the world?

Why is there such an obsessive dealing with what ever happen in Israel?

Why is the fact that 9 people are dead is more important that the fact that 600 people died? are there lives are more valuable then the 600 who died in Darfur?

Is it religion?
Is it good old anti antisemitism?
Is it the media to be blamed?
Is it geographical location?
Is it History?

* I know this post is a bit naive but I will still try because this question is really puzzling for me as an Israeli.

Apparently it is not the victims who count, but who did it.

A Dutch author, Leon de Winter, tried to answer that question over and over. He made a huge list with all the islam/islam terrorist attacks, and how many people died. OK, we hear it mentioned once on the news (93 died in Pakistan while praying in a mosque, but it was the wrong mosque so the good islamists killed them) but NO protest, NO action, nobody cares.

Why? Probably because it were just islami's who killed islami's. No jews involved. But I sure think there is a lot of envy going on. Israëli's love their country. They built it with strength, openness, intelligence. There is even no economical crisis! But hey, it still is a sick obsession I just can not understand either.

(PS: Some folk here are being paid by their boss at "work" to just sit and spam anti-Israël hatred all day. Some even have 88 posts per day, mostly just saying nothing. I wish they had more self respect, the world would look much better.)

[Cdude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ShoshannaKimberley

(PS: Some folk here are being paid by their boss at "work" to just sit and spam anti-Israël hatred all day. Some even have 88 posts per day, mostly just saying nothing. I wish they had more self respect, the world would look much better.)

Sticks and stones Shoske. Let's stick to the facts shall we?
Persoonlijke aanvallen toont het gebrek aan argumenten en het bedenkelijk niveau van de schrij(ver)ster.

[D'ARTOIS]

It is at this time high fashion to be on the side of the Muslims/Islam.

The entire left faction (in Holland) works in the immigrant-industry and is in some ways closely related to the pre-war NSDAP.
Today, it is a very left and elitist community, with still newly imported radical ideals with or without realising the damaging effects.

Anti-Jew is a newly created fashion among the left. If you don not pamper the anti-jew attitude, you do not belong to them.
It is true, the left requires the votes of the muslims and is getting them. Because the muslims can get easy access to political positions within the two or three main left parties.

That is primarily number one.

Internationally Jews are their worst advocates and have literally no understanding of diplomacy at all.
Neither do the Americans, so there is little to learn from.

[Breezertrut]

Onze taal spreken. Aanpassen of BUITEN!

[Jaani_Dushman]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

I read a small news flash from Reuters about Darfur:


My question is simple: Why?
Why people that presenting themselves as peace activists care about a conflict that has already peace talks in the process?

Why does human rights people are bothered with right for free passage when the right of living is taken a way hundreds of time more in other places in the world?

Why is there such an obsessive dealing with what ever happen in Israel?

Why is the fact that 9 people are dead is more important that the fact that 600 people died? are there lives are more valuable then the 600 who died in Darfur?

Is it religion?
Is it good old anti antisemitism?
Is it the media to be blamed?
Is it geographical location?
Is it History?

* I know this post is a bit naive but I will still try because this question is really puzzling for me as an Israeli.

Wanneer de situatie van de Basken wordt aangehaald, roepen de franquisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Koerden?". Wanneer de situatie van de Koerden wordt aangehaald, roepen de kemalisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Tibetanen?". Wanneer de situatie van de Tibetanen wordt aangehaald, roept Peking: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Ieren?". Wanneer de situatie van de Ieren wordt aangehaald, roepen de unionisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Palestijnen?". Wanneer de situatie van de Palestijnen wordt aangehaald, roepen de zionisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de mensen in Darfoer?". En zo kunnen we nog een tijdje doorgaan.

Het is bijzonder gemakkelijk om je eigen verantwoordelijkheid te ontlopen, door je weg te steken achter de fouten van de anderen.

[RodeLantaarn]

Kijk eens aan! De hasbara propagandist komt de aandacht afleiden van de eigen misdaden.

[RodeLantaarn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jaani_Dushman

Wanneer de situatie van de Basken wordt aangehaald, roepen de franquisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Koerden?". Wanneer de situatie van de Koerden wordt aangehaald, roepen de kemalisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Tibetanen?". Wanneer de situatie van de Tibetanen wordt aangehaald, roept Peking: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Ieren?". Wanneer de situatie van de Ieren wordt aangehaald, roepen de unionisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de Palestijnen?". Wanneer de situatie van de Palestijnen wordt aangehaald, roepen de zionisten: "Waarom zegt u niets over de mensen in Darfoer?". En zo kunnen we nog een tijdje doorgaan.

Het is bijzonder gemakkelijk om je eigen verantwoordelijkheid te ontlopen, door je weg te steken achter de fouten van de anderen.

²

Wat verre van de eigen fouten goedpraat. Maar zoals je zelf aanhaalt is dat algemene praktijk.

[Francientje]

Daar gaat het dus niet om. Het gaat er niet om de aandacht af te leiden. Het gaat erom
dat IEDEREEN met dezelfde maatstaf moet worden gemeten. Dat is dus wat dat een
hele hoop mensen dwars zit. Je kunt niet zitten gillen over een stuk of wat militanten
die zelf hun dood zochten in de hoop zo 'Gaza te bevrijden' (vergeet Gaza aan eten te komen, Israel heeft aangeboden hun cargo na inspectie door te spelen aan Hamas) en
het vrij spel te geven om Israelische burgers te beschieten en mooi je mond te houden
over wat er zo al elders, een miljoen keer erger, gebeurt. Dat iedereen maar es eerst voor zijn eigen deur begint te keren. En ook horen mensen die in glazen huizen wonen
niet met stenen te smijten. Dat geldt dus speciaal voor de Turken, de Algerijnen,
Hamas en consoorten, alle kommunisten, alle extreem rechtsen en maak zelf de lijst
maar verder af.
Het geldt ook voor organisaties als Pax Christi, Broederlijk Delen en Oxfam.