directe citaten van vooraanstaande "democraten" namens Israel

Tamam · 12 juli 2010, 13:45

Ik heb een lijstje samengesteld van wat opmerkelijke citaten van (ex) eerste ministers, leiders van het IDF en vooraanstaande politici uit Israel.

Ivm de eerste quote "eretz" wilt "groot" zeggen.

"The only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western eretz Israel without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point.. We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe." - Weitz

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them" - Ariel Sharon

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves" - Yasser Heilbrun

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the ucttting of all social service to rid the Galilee of it's Arab population" - Israel Koening

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focues on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of Israel"- Benyamin Netanyahu

"We carried on like real hooligans in Gaza, and that's what i demanded." -Tzipi Livn

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." * - Moshe Dyan

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more" - Ehud Barak

"The Palestinians would be crushed like grasshopers.. head smashes against the boulders and walls" -Yithak Shamir

" (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." - Menahim Begin.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." - Raphael Eitan

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier

"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." - Golda Maier

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." - Matityahu Peled

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." - Rafael Eitan

"We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" - David Ben-Gurion

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." - David Ben-Gurion

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -Moshe Dayan

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin

-"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" - Uri Lubrani

"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."-Joseph Weitz

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -Yoram Bar Porath

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -Theodore Herzl

"We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world."-Chaim Weizmann,

Ivan47 · 12 juli 2010, 13:56

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...Ivm de eerste quote "eretz" wilt "groot" zeggen...

Fout! "eretz" wilt "land" zeggen, eretz Israel - de land Israel.

Tamam · 12 juli 2010, 14:17

jaja..

* Eretz = land. ‘Groot Israël'; ‘Heel Israël'; 'het hele land Israël'.
* Door o.a. de zionisten gebezigde uitdrukking voor het ‘beloofde land’, met de emotionele – op religieuze gronden gefundeerde - lading dat het hele land aan de joden toebehoort of zal toebehoren.

voor de rest enig commentaar op die citaten Ivan?

Francientje · 12 juli 2010, 17:55

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Tamam

Ik heb een lijstje samengesteld van wat opmerkelijke citaten van (ex) eerste ministers, leiders van het IDF en vooraanstaande politici uit Israel.

Ivm de eerste quote "eretz" wilt "groot" zeggen.

"The only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western eretz Israel without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point.. We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe." - Weitz

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them" - Ariel Sharon

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves" - Yasser Heilbrun

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the ucttting of all social service to rid the Galilee of it's Arab population" - Israel Koening

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focues on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of Israel"- Benyamin Netanyahu

"We carried on like real hooligans in Gaza, and that's what i demanded." -Tzipi Livn

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." * - Moshe Dyan

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more" - Ehud Barak

"The Palestinians would be crushed like grasshopers.. head smashes against the boulders and walls" -Yithak Shamir

" (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." - Menahim Begin.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." - Raphael Eitan

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier

"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." - Golda Maier

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." - Matityahu Peled

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." - Rafael Eitan

"We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" - David Ben-Gurion

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." - David Ben-Gurion

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -Moshe Dayan

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin

-"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" - Uri Lubrani

"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."-Joseph Weitz

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -Yoram Bar Porath

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -Theodore Herzl

"We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world."-Chaim Weizmann,

Het ambetante is dat al die quotes van kuklux clan sites, islamistische sites
en intifada sites komen. Zullen we het even over chairman Heilbrun hebben?
Die man bestaat niet. Heeft nooit bestaan.
Of the “memorable quotes” featured on MIFTAH’s Web site (some of which have already been debunked in Part I), the following is attributed to one Chairman Heilbrun:

We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.

Source given: Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983

Investigation: The quote is found on numerous anti-Israel sites, in addition to MIFTAH’s, but the facts do not check out. While Shlomo Lahat was indeed re-elected as mayor of Tel Aviv in 1983, no record was found of any “Chairman Heilbrun.” The quote was traced to a 1988 book, The Hidden History of Zionism, by radical Marxist Ralph Schoenman (dismissed by mainstream historians as a crazed conspiracy theorist), and is one of many bogus quotes in the book attributed to Israeli leaders. According to Schoenman’s footnote, the quote by Heilbrun was hearsay relayed to him in private conversations:

Cited by Fouzi El-Asmar and Salih Baransi during discussions with the author, October 1983

Needless to say, Schoenman’s scholarship, upon which many anti-Israel Web sites depend, leaves much wanting. CAMERA contacted former Mayor Lahat who attested that he has never employed, known or heard of any such person as “Chairman Heilbrun,” and that the reported incident never took place. Lahat also emphasized that he would never allow any of his employees to make such statements, as it completely contradicts his own sentiments about Palestinians.

Summary: Fabricated quote, fabricated source

den dinges · 12 juli 2010, 18:39

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Tamam

jaja..

* Eretz = land. ‘Groot Israël'; ‘Heel Israël'; 'het hele land Israël'.
* Door o.a. de zionisten gebezigde uitdrukking voor het ‘beloofde land’, met de emotionele – op religieuze gronden gefundeerde - lading dat het hele land aan de joden toebehoort of zal toebehoren.

voor de rest enig commentaar op die citaten Ivan?

Nu nog een lijstje met citaten van arabieren over de joden...? In elk volk vind je wel een paar heethoofden zeker ? Nu weet ik ook nog niet of al die citaten werkelijk van die personen komen...Heb je ook...bewijzen ?

Francientje · 12 juli 2010, 18:53

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Nu nog een lijstje met citaten van arabieren over de joden...? In elk volk vind je wel een paar heethoofden zeker ? Nu weet ik ook nog niet of al die citaten werkelijk van die personen komen...Heb je ook...bewijzen ?

stelde

Er is wat mis met AL die quotes. De meeste zijn gewoon ontsprongen in het
brein van een Palestijn met véél fantasie. Andere zijn zo verdraaid
dat ze het tegengestelde zeggen van wat werkelijk werd gezegd.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_co...&x_article=766
Dat is dus een site die tussen de bedrijven door aan quote busting doet.
Er is quote busting one en quote busting two.

Tamam · 12 juli 2010, 20:53

Francientje, interessant opmerking ivm die Heilbrun quote! Ik geef toe dat ik deze quote overnam zonder het checken van bronvermelding.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_co...&x_article=766

Heeft het hoe dan ook over maar over ENKELE quotes die verdraait zijn. Een grote opheldering zou ik die website allesinds niet noemen. En het merendeel van de quotes die ik vermelde staan geneens op die site.

Waarom heeft die site het niet over heel gemakkelijk te checken quotes uit de Israelische kraant Haarets of de NY Times? Lijkt me verdacht van hun kant uit!

Waarom denk je dat AL deze quotes onjuist zijn? Dat lijkt me straf. Heb je kennis van bronnen?

Ik post hier de andere quotes direct met bronvermelding. Ik post tevens nog andere quotes die ik gevonden heb ook met bronvermelding. Gaat u beweren dat ze allen niet kloppen? Zo ja, graag (en ter appreciatie!) tegenbewijs.

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.

" (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

"We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

"We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920).

Arie Dayan: "The Debate over Zionism and Racism: An Israeli View"; Haaretz, 27 December 1991; translated in Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 22, No. 3. (Spring, 1993), pp. 96-105.
Michael Adams: "Israel's Treatment of the Arabs in the Occupied Territories"; Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 6, No. 2. (Winter, 1977), pp. 19-40.
Janice J. Terry: "Zionist Attitudes toward Arabs; Journal of Palestine Studies", Vol. 6, No. 1. (Autumn, 1976), pp. 67-78.
Roselle Tekiner: "Race and the Issue of National Identity in Israel"; International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 23, No. 1. (Feb., 1991), pp. 39-55.

Heel oude quote, desondanks interessant: "In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country" Lord Balfour in private memorandum to Lord Curzon, 11 August 1919. (Note: Organized Zionist organizations and weathy Zionists in Britain and the U.S. funded the British World War I effort and pressured the U.S. to enter World War One to ensure a decisive defeat of the Germans in exchange for Britain's promise of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.)

"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs...... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing." Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923. (He was a right wing founder and advocate of Zionist terrorist organizations.)

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem" Joseph Weitz, Davar, September 29, 1967, cited in Uri Davis and Norton Mevinsky, eds., Documents from Israel, 1967-1973, p.21.

19 "There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here (Palestine) to the neighboring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe should be left." Jospeh Weitz, Davar, 29 September 1947 from "My Diary and Letters to the Children", Massada, 1965, III, p. 293.

"It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire." Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio Israel.

"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

1967: Aba Eban, Israeli Foreign Minister: " If the [United Nations] General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders) Israel would refuse to comply with the decision." New York Times June 19, 1967.

"Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) immediately after the 1967 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner." Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I don't blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, .The Arab villages are not there either. Nahal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibat; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kfar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al Shuman. There is not one single place that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan's address to the Technion, Haifa (as Quoted in Haaretz, April 4, 1969).

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Haaretz, 19 March 1972.

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...." Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

Veel van die quotes lijken me gemakkelijk te controleren. Haaretz en NY Times bv. Ik ben benieuwd voor tegenbewijs hierover!

Tema · 13 juli 2010, 02:40

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Francientje, interessant opmerking ivm die Heilbrun quote! Ik geef toe dat ik deze quote overnam zonder het checken van bronvermelding.

Heeft het hoe dan ook over maar over ENKELE quotes die verdraait zijn. Een grote opheldering zou ik die website allesinds niet noemen. En het merendeel van de quotes die ik vermelde staan geneens op die site.

Waarom heeft die site het niet over heel gemakkelijk te checken quotes uit de Israelische kraant Haarets of de NY Times? Lijkt me verdacht van hun kant uit!

Waarom denk je dat AL deze quotes onjuist zijn? Dat lijkt me straf. Heb je kennis van bronnen?

Ik post hier de andere quotes direct met bronvermelding. Ik post tevens nog andere quotes die ik gevonden heb ook met bronvermelding. Gaat u beweren dat ze allen niet kloppen? Zo ja, graag (en ter appreciatie!) tegenbewijs.

Veel van die quotes lijken me gemakkelijk te controleren. Haaretz en NY Times bv. Ik ben benieuwd voor tegenbewijs hierover!

Controleer eerst zelf bronnen. Iets copy-pasten dat als bewijs plaatsen en dan van posters verwachtten dat ze weken nagaan of uw 'werk' van 5 minuten klopt is een beetje onbeleefd. De bewijslast ligt bij u niet omgekeerd.

Francientje · 13 juli 2010, 09:38

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Controleer eerst zelf bronnen. Iets copy-pasten dat als bewijs plaatsen en dan van posters verwachtten dat ze weken nagaan of uw 'werk' van 5 minuten klopt is een beetje onbeleefd. De bewijslast ligt bij u niet omgekeerd.

Al die zogenaamde quotes komen van anti-Israel sites. De meeste zijn gewoon
uit de duim gezogen en dan om het mooi te maken zet je er de naam
van de een of andere Israelische krant bij. De andere zijn verdraaid of uit
hun context getrokken. Iemand hoort klacht voor laster neer te leggen.
enb nee, ik heb wel wat anders te doen dan te bewijzen dat elke quote
vals is. Ze zijn vals. PUNT. Bewijs het tegendeel met een link naar de bron.

Tamam · 13 juli 2010, 10:28

Klacht voor laster tegen Israel?

Leg dan klacht in namens Israel tegen een topic op een internetboard, ik wens je veel succes met je strijd tegen de vrije meningsuiting! Doen, Francientje. Uw vorm van intimidatie doet me niks.

Die quotes heb ik o.a. verzamelt uit een magazine dat allesbehalve anti-Israel is, en niet enkel via het internet. Dit was geen 5 minuten werk van copy en paste, desondanks moet ik toegeven dat ik de bron niet altijd checkte wat me een werk van minstens een paar maanden lijkt.

Ik zou graag m'n topic editen en vermelden wie deze quotes kan bevestigen ontstaven/staven, en de fout i.v.m. de Heilbrun citaat rechtzetten. De "edit functie" werkt blijkbaar niet voor niet-recente posts.

Dus bij deze zet ik recht dat ik niet alle quotes gecontroleerd heb en geef ik toe hier en daar in de val van gemanipuleerde anti-Israel propaganda getrapt ben, wat heel slecht uitkomt als die gemanipuleerde quotes staan bij citaten die wél blijken te kloppen.

Omdat er 3 verzonnen en 4 verdraaide citaten in gans die lijst staan, wilt niet zeggen dat ze allemaal uit de duim gezogen zijn hé.

Oh ja, de sites waarvan ik de quotes plukte (o.a. een tribute-site over Gandhi) waren allesbehalve van de KKK of anti-semitisch getint.. niet hysterisch worden.

Tamam · 13 juli 2010, 10:51

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Tema

Controleer eerst zelf bronnen. Iets copy-pasten dat als bewijs plaatsen en dan van posters verwachtten dat ze weken nagaan of uw 'werk' van 5 minuten klopt is een beetje onbeleefd. De bewijslast ligt bij u niet omgekeerd.

Van iemand hier die komt beweren dat "Arabieren liever wraak dan vrede willen" ga ik niet veel leren vrees ik.

Nogmaals, het controleren van bronnen kan maanden duren. Wie deze citaten kan staven of ontaven is bij deze welkom!

Francientje · 13 juli 2010, 10:52

Tamam... ok., nog een paar die dus verdraaid, omgekeerd etc werden. Gandhi is dus in
dit geval geen referentie. Ik heb niks tegen hem hoor, maar elke zogenaamde progressieve
site (progressief staat voor pretentieuze mislukkelingen) vindt bij hem gading.
Maar goed, omdat jij het bent.
Betreffende Ben Gurion. dit zei hij dus echt.

'Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.
Written statement (1920), as quoted in Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs : From Peace to War (1985) by Shabtai Teveth, p. 32.
'We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians (2000) by Efraim Karsh; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (1987) by Benny Morris, p. 25.

En dan Menachem Begin. Die heeft ook nooit, gezworen gezegd wat men hem in de mond wil leggen. Begin was van huize uit advokaat! O.K., Ik zoek de correcte tekst voor je op;

Cdude · 13 juli 2010, 10:56

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Francientje

Tamam... ok., nog een paar die dus verdraaid, omgekeerd etc werden. Gandhi is dus in
dit geval geen referentie. Ik heb niks tegen hem hoor, maar elke zogenaamde progressieve
site (progressief staat voor pretentieuze mislukkelingen) vindt bij hem gading.
Maar goed, omdat jij het bent.
Betreffende Ben Gurion. dit zei hij dus echt.

'Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.
Written statement (1920), as quoted in Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs : From Peace to War (1985) by Shabtai Teveth, p. 32.
'We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians (2000) by Efraim Karsh; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (1987) by Benny Morris, p. 25.

En dan Menachem Begin. Die heeft ook nooit, gezworen gezegd wat men hem in de mond wil leggen. Begin was van huize uit advokaat! O.K., Ik zoek de correcte tekst voor je op;

Vergeet je bronnen niet te plaatsen eh

Tamam · 13 juli 2010, 10:58

Francientje, heb je links naar sites/boeken die zich ontfermen over valse quotes van zionisten die de wereld ingestuurd zijn?

Ik kan me voorstellen dat net zoals quatsch zoals "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" dit ook gebeurde met citaten.

Die camera site vond ik wel interessant, maar ze ontkrachten maar een handvol quotes.

Dit soort manipulatie doet zowel de anti-zionisten als de pro-zionisten niet ten goede.

Francientje · 13 juli 2010, 11:39

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

Vergeet je bronnen niet te plaatsen eh

Lees de tekst. De bronnen staan erbij.
En trouwens, je hoort je hersenen te laten nakijken als je absoluut wil
denken dat de Israeliers, buiten alles wat jij hen ten onrechte verwijt, ook nog aartsdom zijn.

Tamam · 13 juli 2010, 11:54

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Francientje

Lees de tekst. De bronnen staan erbij.
En trouwens, je hoort je hersenen te laten nakijken als je absoluut wil
denken dat de Israeliers, buiten alles wat jij hen ten onrechte verwijt, ook nog aartsdom zijn.

Maar nogmaals; Israeliers staan niet gelijk aan zionisten. Radicale zionisten lijken me aartsdom, racistisch en daarom in staat enkele van de citaten te zeggen die eerder geplaatst zijn.

Ik contacteer alvast de NY Times en Haaretz i.v.m. eerdergemelde citaten, en benieuwd wat hun antwoord wordt!

D'ARTOIS · 13 juli 2010, 12:39

Het zionisme is volgens mij allang ter ziele. De oppositie verwart zionisme met het feit dat twee groeperingen met elkaar gedurende 60 jaar in een staat van oorlog leven. Wat er in Israel is achtergebleven en niet alreeds in Amerika zit moet de kastanjes uit het vuur halen voor het enorme aantal joden dat inmiddels de VS verkozen heeft boven Israel. We kunnen rustig stellen dat Israel vanuit de VS wordt aangestuurd c.q. geregeerd.
De citaten van weerszijden verwijs ik naar de prullenbak en bezie ze als oorlogspropagande, even oninteressant van welke zijde ze afkomstig zijn.
Zolang geen der partijen bereid is de wapens neer te leggen, zolang zal het conflict blijven bestaan. We gaan er ons niet meer druk om maken en de aandacht verleggen naar die onderwerpen waar wel enige toekomst in zit.
Te lande hebben we problemen genoeg, niet in de laatste plaats gegenereerd door ongewenste Arabische groeperingen.

Francientje · 14 juli 2010, 08:26

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Tamam

Maar nogmaals; Israeliers staan niet gelijk aan zionisten. Radicale zionisten lijken me aartsdom, racistisch en daarom in staat enkele van de citaten te zeggen die eerder geplaatst zijn.

Ik contacteer alvast de NY Times en Haaretz i.v.m. eerdergemelde citaten, en benieuwd wat hun antwoord wordt!

Doen. Ofschoon ik betwijfel dat ze zich de moeite willen geven om je te antwoorden. Ze hebben wel wat anders te doen. Maar goed, omdat jij het
bent. Betreffende Begin die Arabieren met beesten zou hebben vergeleken.
Hier volgt wat hij werkelijk zei en wat opgetekend werd voor de geschiedenis.

nvestigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.

Cdude · 14 juli 2010, 08:40

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Francientje

Lees de tekst. De bronnen staan erbij.
En trouwens, je hoort je hersenen te laten nakijken als je absoluut wil
denken dat de Israeliers, buiten alles wat jij hen ten onrechte verwijt, ook nog aartsdom zijn.

Nochtans getuigt dit niet bepaald van intelligentie

Citaat:

Upon the publication of soldiers' testimonials following Operation Cast Lead a year ago, IDF Spokesman Avi Benayahu launched a smear campaign against the troops and said their reports were detached from reality. The words "liars," "actors," and "libel" were only a small part of the jargon he used in order to divert the discussion away from its essence. By doing so he prevented many Israelis from hearing what was done in Gaza on their behalf.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...916991,00.html

Francientje · 14 juli 2010, 09:04

En wat heeft dit met false quotes te maken.
sta me toe een Israelier te laten antwoorden in mijn plaats
'Dana, 99% of the stuff said was rubbish.
This one case being considered, and a possibly a few others, are the scant few that *were* true, and will be investigated to the full extent of military law. Let me be blunt, though. You and your friends *did* spread made-up stuff, hearsay, unsubstantiated claims without evidence or actual credible witnesses. Both the IDF and the majority of the Israeli public dismissed it out of hand because there was simply too many unsubstantiated claims, too much propaganda, too much of it the same spiel. Perhaps if only the real, credible acts would have been brought up, things would have been investigated thoroughly earlier. Instead, you helped bury the truth in a pile of disinformation. Congratulations, you have been your own worst enemy, if you truly believe in your cause of preventing actual war-crimes.'
en ik wil er dit nog aan toevoegen. We zitten héél hard te wachten op de nodige Arabische kritiek op zelfmoordoperaties, raketten afschieten op burgerdoelen ,
etc., het kidnappen van mensen etc
Vast zijn er Palestijnen en of Arabieren die daar de nodige kritiek op hebben. Maar horen doe je ze niet. want als ze wat de hard lawaai maken worden ze gewoon vermoord.

12 juli 2010, 13:45	#1
Tamam Minister-President Geregistreerd: 9 juni 2003 Berichten: 5.831	directe citaten van vooraanstaande "democraten" namens Israel Ik heb een lijstje samengesteld van wat opmerkelijke citaten van (ex) eerste ministers, leiders van het IDF en vooraanstaande politici uit Israel. Ivm de eerste quote "eretz" wilt "groot" zeggen. "The only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western eretz Israel without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point.. We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe." - Weitz "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them" - Ariel Sharon "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves" - Yasser Heilbrun "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the ucttting of all social service to rid the Galilee of it's Arab population" - Israel Koening "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focues on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of Israel"- Benyamin Netanyahu "We carried on like real hooligans in Gaza, and that's what i demanded." -Tzipi Livn "We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." * - Moshe Dyan "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more" - Ehud Barak "The Palestinians would be crushed like grasshopers.. head smashes against the boulders and walls" -Yithak Shamir " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." - Menahim Begin. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." - Raphael Eitan "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." - Golda Maier "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." - Matityahu Peled * Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget." "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." - Rafael Eitan "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" - David Ben-Gurion "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." - David Ben-Gurion * "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -Moshe Dayan "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin -"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" - Uri Lubrani "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."-Joseph Weitz "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -Yoram Bar Porath "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -Theodore Herzl "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world."-Chaim Weizmann,

13 juli 2010, 10:28	#10
Tamam Minister-President Geregistreerd: 9 juni 2003 Berichten: 5.831	Klacht voor laster tegen Israel? Leg dan klacht in namens Israel tegen een topic op een internetboard, ik wens je veel succes met je strijd tegen de vrije meningsuiting! Doen, Francientje. Uw vorm van intimidatie doet me niks. Die quotes heb ik o.a. verzamelt uit een magazine dat allesbehalve anti-Israel is, en niet enkel via het internet. Dit was geen 5 minuten werk van copy en paste, desondanks moet ik toegeven dat ik de bron niet altijd checkte wat me een werk van minstens een paar maanden lijkt. Ik zou graag m'n topic editen en vermelden wie deze quotes kan bevestigen ontstaven/staven, en de fout i.v.m. de Heilbrun citaat rechtzetten. De "edit functie" werkt blijkbaar niet voor niet-recente posts. Dus bij deze zet ik recht dat ik niet alle quotes gecontroleerd heb en geef ik toe hier en daar in de val van gemanipuleerde anti-Israel propaganda getrapt ben, wat heel slecht uitkomt als die gemanipuleerde quotes staan bij citaten die wél blijken te kloppen. Omdat er 3 verzonnen en 4 verdraaide citaten in gans die lijst staan, wilt niet zeggen dat ze allemaal uit de duim gezogen zijn hé. Oh ja, de sites waarvan ik de quotes plukte (o.a. een tribute-site over Gandhi) waren allesbehalve van de KKK of anti-semitisch getint.. niet hysterisch worden. Laatst gewijzigd door Tamam : 13 juli 2010 om 10:49.

13 juli 2010, 10:52	#12
Francientje Minister Geregistreerd: 4 april 2008 Berichten: 3.178	Tamam... ok., nog een paar die dus verdraaid, omgekeerd etc werden. Gandhi is dus in dit geval geen referentie. Ik heb niks tegen hem hoor, maar elke zogenaamde progressieve site (progressief staat voor pretentieuze mislukkelingen) vindt bij hem gading. Maar goed, omdat jij het bent. Betreffende Ben Gurion. dit zei hij dus echt. 'Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price. Written statement (1920), as quoted in Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs : From Peace to War (1985) by Shabtai Teveth, p. 32. 'We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs. Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians (2000) by Efraim Karsh; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (1987) by Benny Morris, p. 25. En dan Menachem Begin. Die heeft ook nooit, gezworen gezegd wat men hem in de mond wil leggen. Begin was van huize uit advokaat! O.K., Ik zoek de correcte tekst voor je op; Laatst gewijzigd door Francientje : 13 juli 2010 om 10:53.

13 juli 2010, 12:39	#17
D'ARTOIS Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 2 januari 2006 Berichten: 11.569	Het zionisme is volgens mij allang ter ziele. De oppositie verwart zionisme met het feit dat twee groeperingen met elkaar gedurende 60 jaar in een staat van oorlog leven. Wat er in Israel is achtergebleven en niet alreeds in Amerika zit moet de kastanjes uit het vuur halen voor het enorme aantal joden dat inmiddels de VS verkozen heeft boven Israel. We kunnen rustig stellen dat Israel vanuit de VS wordt aangestuurd c.q. geregeerd. De citaten van weerszijden verwijs ik naar de prullenbak en bezie ze als oorlogspropagande, even oninteressant van welke zijde ze afkomstig zijn. Zolang geen der partijen bereid is de wapens neer te leggen, zolang zal het conflict blijven bestaan. We gaan er ons niet meer druk om maken en de aandacht verleggen naar die onderwerpen waar wel enige toekomst in zit. Te lande hebben we problemen genoeg, niet in de laatste plaats gegenereerd door ongewenste Arabische groeperingen. __________________ Brussel regeert, Brussel dicteert, de burger gireert. Ondertussen neemt de Euroscepsis hand over hand toe.

12 juli 2010, 14:17	#3
Tamam Minister-President Geregistreerd: 9 juni 2003 Berichten: 5.831	jaja.. * Eretz = land. ‘Groot Israël'; ‘Heel Israël'; 'het hele land Israël'. * Door o.a. de zionisten gebezigde uitdrukking voor het ‘beloofde land’, met de emotionele – op religieuze gronden gefundeerde - lading dat het hele land aan de joden toebehoort of zal toebehoren. voor de rest enig commentaar op die citaten Ivan?

12 juli 2010, 20:53	#7
Tamam Minister-President Geregistreerd: 9 juni 2003 Berichten: 5.831	Francientje, interessant opmerking ivm die Heilbrun quote! Ik geef toe dat ik deze quote overnam zonder het checken van bronvermelding. http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_co...&x_article=766 Heeft het hoe dan ook over maar over ENKELE quotes die verdraait zijn. Een grote opheldering zou ik die website allesinds niet noemen. En het merendeel van de quotes die ik vermelde staan geneens op die site. Waarom heeft die site het niet over heel gemakkelijk te checken quotes uit de Israelische kraant Haarets of de NY Times? Lijkt me verdacht van hun kant uit! Waarom denk je dat AL deze quotes onjuist zijn? Dat lijkt me straf. Heb je kennis van bronnen? Ik post hier de andere quotes direct met bronvermelding. Ik post tevens nog andere quotes die ik gevonden heb ook met bronvermelding. Gaat u beweren dat ze allen niet kloppen? Zo ja, graag (en ter appreciatie!) tegenbewijs. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000. " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983. "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1). "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920). Arie Dayan: "The Debate over Zionism and Racism: An Israeli View"; Haaretz, 27 December 1991; translated in Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 22, No. 3. (Spring, 1993), pp. 96-105. Michael Adams: "Israel's Treatment of the Arabs in the Occupied Territories"; Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 6, No. 2. (Winter, 1977), pp. 19-40. Janice J. Terry: "Zionist Attitudes toward Arabs; Journal of Palestine Studies", Vol. 6, No. 1. (Autumn, 1976), pp. 67-78. Roselle Tekiner: "Race and the Issue of National Identity in Israel"; International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 23, No. 1. (Feb., 1991), pp. 39-55. Heel oude quote, desondanks interessant: "In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country" Lord Balfour in private memorandum to Lord Curzon, 11 August 1919. (Note: Organized Zionist organizations and weathy Zionists in Britain and the U.S. funded the British World War I effort and pressured the U.S. to enter World War One to ensure a decisive defeat of the Germans in exchange for Britain's promise of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.) "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs...... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing." Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923. (He was a right wing founder and advocate of Zionist terrorist organizations.) "We must expel Arabs and take their places." David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem" Joseph Weitz, Davar, September 29, 1967, cited in Uri Davis and Norton Mevinsky, eds., Documents from Israel, 1967-1973, p.21. 19 "There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here (Palestine) to the neighboring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe should be left." Jospeh Weitz, Davar, 29 September 1947 from "My Diary and Letters to the Children", Massada, 1965, III, p. 293. "It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire." Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio Israel. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas. 1967: Aba Eban, Israeli Foreign Minister: " If the [United Nations] General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders) Israel would refuse to comply with the decision." New York Times June 19, 1967. "Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) immediately after the 1967 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner." Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I don't blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, .The Arab villages are not there either. Nahal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibat; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kfar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al Shuman. There is not one single place that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan's address to the Technion, Haifa (as Quoted in Haaretz, April 4, 1969). "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Haaretz, 19 March 1972. "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...." Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000. Veel van die quotes lijken me gemakkelijk te controleren. Haaretz en NY Times bv. Ik ben benieuwd voor tegenbewijs hierover!

13 juli 2010, 10:58	#14
Tamam Minister-President Geregistreerd: 9 juni 2003 Berichten: 5.831	Francientje, heb je links naar sites/boeken die zich ontfermen over valse quotes van zionisten die de wereld ingestuurd zijn? Ik kan me voorstellen dat net zoals quatsch zoals "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" dit ook gebeurde met citaten. Die camera site vond ik wel interessant, maar ze ontkrachten maar een handvol quotes. Dit soort manipulatie doet zowel de anti-zionisten als de pro-zionisten niet ten goede.

14 juli 2010, 09:04	#20
Francientje Minister Geregistreerd: 4 april 2008 Berichten: 3.178	En wat heeft dit met false quotes te maken. sta me toe een Israelier te laten antwoorden in mijn plaats 'Dana, 99% of the stuff said was rubbish. This one case being considered, and a possibly a few others, are the scant few that were true, and will be investigated to the full extent of military law. Let me be blunt, though. You and your friends did spread made-up stuff, hearsay, unsubstantiated claims without evidence or actual credible witnesses. Both the IDF and the majority of the Israeli public dismissed it out of hand because there was simply too many unsubstantiated claims, too much propaganda, too much of it the same spiel. Perhaps if only the real, credible acts would have been brought up, things would have been investigated thoroughly earlier. Instead, you helped bury the truth in a pile of disinformation. Congratulations, you have been your own worst enemy, if you truly believe in your cause of preventing actual war-crimes.' en ik wil er dit nog aan toevoegen. We zitten héél hard te wachten op de nodige Arabische kritiek op zelfmoordoperaties, raketten afschieten op burgerdoelen , etc., het kidnappen van mensen etc Vast zijn er Palestijnen en of Arabieren die daar de nodige kritiek op hebben. Maar horen doe je ze niet. want als ze wat de hard lawaai maken worden ze gewoon vermoord.